Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-25 Thread db
Thanks for all of your tips ... I know them ... I've been using Macs, Win and Linux more recently since the early 80's. It just gripes me that Mac, which is capable of much better and once was famous for intuitive usability, created such a clumsy flawed piece of eye candy as Aqua. Apple

Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-25 Thread db
I do typically ... if I am working on several research projects concurrently, I can have 6 programs and 20 to 30 windows open for days. I can handle this on a Linux or XP machine even without resorting to their optional optional multiple/ virtual desktop features but I just don't attempt it

Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-25 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
No I really hated it in the Apple Store. It's not the clicks it is the movement I want to feel the button move in relation to the mouse- not the whole mouse moving. The nice thing about mice is that there are so many different ones around that you can probably find one that suits your hand. I

Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-25 Thread mike
I don't own a mac, but I almost want to buy one of their new keyboards, really nice. Just not 50 or even 40 nice...30? Maybe then. Mike On 10/25/07, John Duncan Yoyo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No I really hated it in the Apple Store. It's not the clicks it is the movement I want to feel

Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-25 Thread Tom Piwowar
OK, so I'm a nut for spending the $50 on a keyboard... It's a pleasure to use and look at. Recently I set up several new Macs with this keyboard. It was tough to leave this keyboard behind. I'll probably be buying one for myself. Many clients once they see these keyboards are telling me they

Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-24 Thread Snyder, Mark (NGIT-CA)
Except when the Taskbar loses the application, which it does occasionally. Clicking for the next row of applications on the task bar is stupid, too. OS X 10.5 has a nice looking stacking method in the Dock, which may help in finding things more quickly. I haven't experienced the problem,

Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-24 Thread Jeff Wright
Who's paying you to ask this and how much? Whatever it is, I'll double it. -Original Message- Microsoft vs Apple. In order to asertain whether a participant in this forums opinion is tainted by the money motive. I would like to see a disclaimer from anyone commenting on how good

Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-24 Thread Constance Warner
:54 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs Microsoft vs Apple. In order to asertain whether a participant in this forums opinion is tainted by the money motive. I would like to see a disclaimer from anyone commenting on how good or bad apple

Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-24 Thread Jordan
There is no such thing as a Mac that comes with a 1 button mouse anymore. (even though it looks like a 1 button mouse) And you can use any mouse you can buy. I prefer a trackball and have almost always used a Logitech with several buttons. (It is easier, but that doesn't stop the sense of

Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-24 Thread Constance Warner
- From: Computer Guys Announcements and Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jordan Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 11:44 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs There is no such thing as a Mac that comes with a 1 button mouse

Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-24 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
When we bought our latest Mac the second thing we did was pick out a decent two button mouse at the Apple store. The supplied mouse hasn't even been out of the box. I haven't had a new Mac in over a decade all though i do have a friends cast off G3 that still works well enough to surf with and

Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-24 Thread Paula Minor
I can't help but say that the worst thing about Macs/OSX is the Dock. Great operating system otherwise but whenever I am using OS X and multi-tasking between programs, web pages, files etc, I am spending a LOT of time struggling with the various windows... trying to find one I had open

Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-24 Thread Tom Piwowar
When we bought our latest Mac the second thing we did was pick out a decent two button mouse at the Apple store. The supplied mouse hasn't even been out of the box. You should look in the box. You may have a Mighty Mouse and not even know it.

Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-24 Thread Snyder, Mark (NGIT-CA)
My days go back to punch cards and an IBM 360. I too remember using dumb terminals to UNIX. I remember early Sun UNIX workstations, Xerox 6085 workstations that used windowing. What the heck has all that to do with Mac OS? I'm sure not leaving Mac OS X to go back to that crap, not matter how

Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-24 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
I thought the real problem with the mighty mouse for me was the lack of tactile feedback. I need the click and motion of the switch. On 10/24/07, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When we bought our latest Mac the second thing we did was pick out a decent two button mouse at the Apple

Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-23 Thread Tom Piwowar
I remember seeing a certain level of elitism coming from Mac users maybe 13 years ago... It turns out that they were right. The Mac OS then was very reliable and easier to deal with. I guess that looking at things from the top of the heap is going to look different than looking at it from the

Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-23 Thread Rich Schinnell
Microsoft vs Apple. In order to asertain whether a participant in this forums opinion is tainted by the money motive. I would like to see a disclaimer from anyone commenting on how good or bad apple or Microsoft are or are not, Let us know whether you own Apple or Microsoft stock or a fund

Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-23 Thread Tom Piwowar
Let us know whether you own Apple or Microsoft stock or a fund that has MS or Apple stock. I have a fund that holds Microsoft stock, no Apple. This clearly influences my view of reality. I guess I should not go so easy on MS.

Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-23 Thread Vicky Staubly
On Tue, 23 Oct 2007, Tom Piwowar wrote: Let us know whether you own Apple or Microsoft stock or a fund that has MS or Apple stock. I have a fund that holds Microsoft stock, no Apple. This clearly influences my view of reality. I guess I should not go so easy on MS. I own a few shares of

Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-23 Thread db
I can't help but say that the worst thing about Macs/OSX is the Dock. Great operating system otherwise but whenever I am using OS X and multi-tasking between programs, web pages, files etc, I am spending a LOT of time struggling with the various windows... trying to find one I had open

Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-23 Thread mike
I hear that complaint more then any other from mac usersI hate the dock. Funny thing is, I use a third party program to get a 'dock' on windows. I hate the windows taskbar. Mike On 10/23/07, db [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't help but say that the worst thing about Macs/OSX is the Dock.

Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-23 Thread Tom Piwowar
I'm very happy using Exposé gestures to view all windows or application windows or desktop, and Command h or alt command h to clear up clutter. And just clicking on an app in the dock to bring it forward is easy enough. You can also option-click or right-click on Dock icons to hide and show

Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-23 Thread db
For me the principal design strangeness is that the Dock shows you at a glance the apps you are running but not necessarily multiple windows/ docs that you might have open. You have to dig deeper for that If the same arrangement was in your car, in looking at your car's dashboard, you

Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-22 Thread Paul Meyer
] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 7:30:00 AM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs The author of the piece said it right for me as well. My computing days go back to CP/M and UNIX BSD via a dumb terminal. I resisted buying a Mac for the same basic reason cited

Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-22 Thread Constance Warner
Quote: My computing days go back to CP/M and UNIX BSD via a dumb terminal. I resisted buying a Mac for the same basic reason cited, the machine users tended to be the sort I didn't want to associate with Wow. That sounds like, We don't want their kind here! (The last time I saw that was on a

Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-22 Thread Jordan
I remember seeing a certain level of elitism coming from Mac users maybe 13 years ago. I was fully entrenched in Windows because I felt like I needed to know as much as possible about it for work. And what was up with the 1 button mouse thing anyway. It turns out that they were right. The Mac

Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-21 Thread MrMike6by9
The author of the piece said it right for me as well. My computing days go back to CP/M and UNIX BSD via a dumb terminal. I resisted buying a Mac for the same basic reason cited, the machine users tended to be the sort I didn't want to associate with. Constantly denigrating the choices of others

Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-21 Thread Tom Piwowar
Not buying an iPod is NOT sad. My 4G is 2 years old next month. It has been treated very well, never dropped, etc. However, it has started playing 10 seconds of sounds and skipping to the next track or freezing tighter than a drum. That is sad. Have you run Disk Utility on it? Have you followed

Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-20 Thread Jeff Wright
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2193639,00.asp This is what is known as an ad hominem attack. Instead of focusing on the merits, he attacks the people who own Macs. You must have missed the title of the article: The Worst Thing About Macs. Hint: It was also the subject line. He

Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-19 Thread Tom Piwowar
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2193639,00.asp This is what is known as an ad hominem attack. Instead of focusing on the merits, he attacks the people who own Macs. He even attacks people who own iPods. There is no tech in this issue of ExtremeTech. What does this accomplish? The

[CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-19 Thread Jeff Wright
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2193639,00.asp Apple fans have an attitude where, when Apple does something bad, it's okay, or at least understandable. When other companies, especially arch-rival Microsoft, does the same exact thing, it's a travesty and obviously clear evidence of why