Re: [CGUYS] Usage terms

2008-12-27 Thread Tom Piwowar
They say markets abhor vacuums. I took a trip up to NYC yesterday and saw first hand how lots of money can be made by filling voids. This broadband problem looks like another such voids. Especially now when so many skilled people are losing jobs -- including telco workers -- the skills are

Re: [CGUYS] Usage terms

2008-12-27 Thread Marty Toombs
The problem here is the void -- there aren't enough people in it. And simply distance. Suggesting that neighbors get together will be unsuccessful or worse. If there's only one broadband customer on the block (because they're sharing it with everyone else) then there's no incentive for the

Re: [CGUYS] Usage terms

2008-12-27 Thread Tom Piwowar
Suggesting that neighbors get together will be unsuccessful or worse. If there's only one broadband customer on the block (because they're sharing it with everyone else) then there's no incentive for the companies to extend the service. That's the idea. They got preempted. Somebody else got

Re: [CGUYS] Usage terms

2008-12-26 Thread Fred Holmes
At 11:02 PM 12/23/2008, Tom Piwowar wrote: This is all part of a liberal plot to get everyone to move into the cities from the country and leave the country to wilderness. People clinging to guns and religion because they can't get good WiFi? By George, I think you've got it! Fred Holmes

Re: [CGUYS] Usage terms

2008-12-25 Thread RLeeSimon
Get friendly with a neighbor not too far away who has cable ...make a deal with them to share the internet connection and cost ...put it in writing as a little contract in case you shoot their dog or something ...what you are doing is getting a wifi router and hooking into their cable ...if their

Re: [CGUYS] Usage terms

2008-12-25 Thread mike
I was thinking about doing something similiar with my parents...buying a slingbox, paying to upgrade their speed on their internet and watching tv from their house to mine. Mike On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 10:07 AM, RLeeSimon rleesi...@gmail.com wrote: Get friendly with a neighbor not too far away

Re: [CGUYS] Usage terms

2008-12-24 Thread Steve Rigby
On Dec 23, 2008, at 9:01 PM, Fred Holmes wrote: This is all part of a liberal plot to get everyone to move into the cities from the country and leave the country to wilderness. I am looking at a place to move to out in the country. No cable or DSL is available at the location I am

Re: [CGUYS] Usage terms

2008-12-24 Thread Stephen Brownfield
Don't give up hope. I live in the country and our house is over a quarter of a mile off the road. For a long time I thought that I could only get dial-up, then we were finally able to get DSL. Lately my wife has been talking to the local cable provider (Time-Warner) and they said that they

[CGUYS] Usage terms

2008-12-23 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Our church uses Centurytel for it's ISP. One of only two High Speed options available to us. Opened out bill and notice a notice that the terms of our usage have changed. Checked out the usage agreement on line (was not enclosed) Note the limits: F.Storage Availability. Certain Services

Re: [CGUYS] Usage terms

2008-12-23 Thread Tony B
It all looks like boilerplate to me. When a host suspends an account, it's all held hostage to their whim. More likely, you'll lose the files due to a technical glitch or hack attack. 5mb limit is antiquated by the low prices of hard drives these days. 5gb would be a starting point, but some

Re: [CGUYS] Usage terms

2008-12-23 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I do not use them for storage at all. But note the limit of 5GB of downloads a month! Quite low. Stewart At 11:25 AM 12/23/2008, you wrote: It all looks like boilerplate to me. When a host suspends an account, it's all held hostage to their whim. More likely, you'll lose the files due to a

Re: [CGUYS] Usage terms

2008-12-23 Thread John DeCarlo
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: I do not use them for storage at all. But note the limit of 5GB of downloads a month! Quite low. I read that as a limitation on Newsgroups: Clearly they don't want anyone using binary newsgroups. --

Re: [CGUYS] Usage terms

2008-12-23 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Yes but what if you buy outside access? It clearly is ambiguously written that they could come to you and say you have contravened our download limits and we are hereby suspending your services or slapping on a excess usage charge. Many companies have simply dropped their usenet access. I

Re: [CGUYS] Usage terms

2008-12-23 Thread Tom Piwowar
I see now that we really are being taken to the cleaners by these companies who claim no responsibility but to tell us what we can and cannot do and change agreements at will. First thing to underscore is that Centurytel should be used for internet connection only -- not for any other service.

Re: [CGUYS] Usage terms

2008-12-23 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I am not sure you noticed my first comment. We only have two choices for ISP in our area. Centurytel or Charter. We had Charter. Their cost for the bottom level of service is unacceptable. We went with Centurytel as the only other alternative and we are on the base level of service with

Re: [CGUYS] Usage terms

2008-12-23 Thread Fred Holmes
At 08:36 PM 12/23/2008, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: In many areas of the country you are very limited on your alternatives (if you have any) one of my members lives in town, and must use satellite for ISP as neither the Cable nor phone company can provide her service. That is the norm in

Re: [CGUYS] Usage terms

2008-12-23 Thread Tom Piwowar
I am not sure you noticed my first comment. We only have two choices for ISP in our area. Centurytel or Charter. Then why not focus on the first part of my post and ignore the part that does not apply to you? I would have been neglectful to not point out that two marginal providers can be

Re: [CGUYS] Usage terms

2008-12-23 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
For non-profits it is uneconomical. We have to pay the same commercial rates for profit businesses pay. That means we would end up paying about $100 per month for unacceptable service. (Bridging the two is easy to do, but just does not make sense.) I focus on the whole email, not just

Re: [CGUYS] Usage terms

2008-12-23 Thread Tom Piwowar
For non-profits it is uneconomical. We have to pay the same commercial rates for profit businesses pay. That means we would end up paying about $100 per month for unacceptable service. (Bridging the two is easy to do, but just does not make sense.) Maybe you should watch the fish at cguys.org