Re: [CGUYS] Flash drive limits Was: Re: [CGUYS] Vista -- Help Needed with Read Only Flag

2009-09-22 Thread katan
On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 09:21:28 -0700, mike wrote: On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 3:40 AM, katan ka...@his.com wrote: I ask this--maybe I shouldn't admit this in public--because I use a thumb drive as my primary data source for email and Quicken. I can use Primary data source meaning you have a backup

Re: [CGUYS] Vista -- Help Needed with Read Only Flag

2009-09-20 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 12:26 AM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Sep 19, 2009, at 11:07 PM, Robert Carroll wrote: Based on my experience, I would advise against trusting a thumb drive or a memory chip to store data over the long run. A month or two, probably OK. Yes indeed. Data stored

[CGUYS] Flash drive limits Was: Re: [CGUYS] Vista -- Help Needed with Read Only Flag

2009-09-20 Thread katan
On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 03:03:07 -0400, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: Flash drives have a limited number of read write cycles and that might be what you ran into. I'm not doubting your word, but where do you find this info? and do you have any idea what the limit is? I ask this--maybe I shouldn't admit

Re: [CGUYS] Flash drive limits Was: Re: [CGUYS] Vista -- Help Needed with Read Only Flag

2009-09-20 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 6:40 AM, katan ka...@his.com wrote: On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 03:03:07 -0400, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: Flash drives have a limited number of read write cycles and that might be what you ran into. I'm not doubting your word, but where do you find this info? and do you have

Re: [CGUYS] Flash drive limits Was: Re: [CGUYS] Vista -- Help Needed with Read Only Flag

2009-09-20 Thread mike
Primary data source meaning you have a backup readily available? On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 3:40 AM, katan ka...@his.com wrote: On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 03:03:07 -0400, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: Flash drives have a limited number of read write cycles and that might be what you ran into. I'm not

Re: [CGUYS] Vista -- Help Needed with Read Only Flag

2009-09-20 Thread Mike
Windows won't tag the files inside the zipped file, just the zipped file itself. Sent from my iPod On Sep 18, 2009, at 3:26 AM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: There is a free one built into windows also...not sure how good/bad it is, I always install winrar first thing on new

Re: [CGUYS] Vista -- Help Needed with Read Only Flag

2009-09-19 Thread Robert Carroll
Based on my experience, I would advise against trusting a thumb drive or a memory chip to store data over the long run. A month or two, probably OK. I had a SD card with student grade spreadsheets for two or three years of classes plus other data. The card was in a pocket PC. One day the

Re: [CGUYS] Vista -- Help Needed with Read Only Flag

2009-09-19 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 19, 2009, at 11:07 PM, Robert Carroll wrote: Based on my experience, I would advise against trusting a thumb drive or a memory chip to store data over the long run. A month or two, probably OK. Yes indeed. Data stored on flash drives can vanish in a flash. Isn't that why we call

Re: [CGUYS] Vista -- Help Needed with Read Only Flag

2009-09-18 Thread Chris Dunford
There is a free one built into windows also...not sure how good/bad it is, I always install winrar first thing on new windows installs. It's not very good, but it's enough to unzip. But I must have missed something in the problem description. The files will still be read-only in the zip file,

Re: [CGUYS] Vista -- Help Needed with Read Only Flag

2009-09-18 Thread Chris Dunford
Windows won't tag the files inside the zipped file, just the zipped file itself. Well, any decent zip utility will store the attributes of the files it zips, and restore them on extract, so they really should remain read-only. I would think that even Windows's built-in zip support does this

Re: [CGUYS] Vista -- Help Needed with Read Only Flag

2009-09-18 Thread mike
I never said it wouldn't store the attributes. That's exactly what it is doing. If you zip the file and then burn it to cd, it only locks the zip file. Windows xp and vista/7 seem to decide that since you are moving a file to a cd, it will lock the file from being changed. Tom's problem is

Re: [CGUYS] Vista -- Help Needed with Read Only Flag

2009-09-18 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Thew reason Windows changes the flag when you move a file to a writable media, is that when you write it to a CD/DVD it becomes readable only. Once it is put on a media it must change the flag otherwise it would error out all the time when you try to change or write a file to your CD/DVD I

Re: [CGUYS] Vista -- Help Needed with Read Only Flag

2009-09-18 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
That is what I do all the time. Only CD's in special, special situations. Stewart At 11:34 AM 9/18/2009, you wrote: I think at this point I'd just keep some cheapo thumb drives around. You can get 8 gig drives that size of chiclets. Format them in a manner that can be read by any system.

Re: [CGUYS] Vista -- Help Needed with Read Only Flag

2009-09-18 Thread Vicky Staubly
On Fri, 18 Sep 2009, Chris Dunford wrote: Windows won't tag the files inside the zipped file, just the zipped file itself. Well, any decent zip utility will store the attributes of the files it zips, and restore them on extract, so they really should remain read-only. I would think that even

Re: [CGUYS] Vista -- Help Needed with Read Only Flag

2009-09-18 Thread mike
This is the theory. Haven't tried it myself, it was suggested by a friend on IRC. On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Vicky Staubly vi...@steeds.com wrote: The problem was, as I understood it, files marked read/write were being copied to a CD, where they became read-only. Then, on being copied

Re: [CGUYS] Vista -- Help Needed with Read Only Flag

2009-09-18 Thread Tony B
It's not going to do much good to keep discussing this, because as I pointed out yesterday Vista does not normally behave this way. Yes, if you view the properties on the disk it will show as read only, but after copied back to the hard drive they don't. Rather than discuss a non-existent issue,

Re: [CGUYS] Vista -- Help Needed with Read Only Flag

2009-09-18 Thread mike
Um...it's not a non-existent issue if it happened. On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: It's not going to do much good to keep discussing this, because as I pointed out yesterday Vista does not normally behave this way. Yes, if you view the properties on the disk it

Re: [CGUYS] Vista -- Help Needed with Read Only Flag

2009-09-18 Thread Tony B
Not for the one machine, no. But look at some of the ridiculous comments in this thread. Instead of trying to reproduce the issue and solve it, people are jumping all over the place with wild opinions. One person even gave a lengthy explanation of why Windows does this on purpose! On Fri, Sep

Re: [CGUYS] Vista -- Help Needed with Read Only Flag

2009-09-18 Thread mike
Are you sure this was meant for this thread? On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: Not for the one machine, no. But look at some of the ridiculous comments in this thread. Instead of trying to reproduce the issue and solve it, people are jumping all over the place

[CGUYS] Vista -- Help Needed with Read Only Flag

2009-09-17 Thread TPiwowar
XP had the unfortunate habit of setting the read-only flag of files copied to CDs. Copying such files back to the hard drive left the read-only flag set. I had to go to Properties to uncheck the read- only box before I could edit the files. Today I did same with Vista. Again the problem

Re: [CGUYS] Vista -- Help Needed with Read Only Flag

2009-09-17 Thread mike
Could be a permissions problem? My other thought was...you are still using cds? On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 5:50 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: XP had the unfortunate habit of setting the read-only flag of files copied to CDs. Copying such files back to the hard drive left the read-only flag

Re: [CGUYS] Vista -- Help Needed with Read Only Flag

2009-09-17 Thread Tony B
You're doing *something* wrong, because I just tried it here and I get no flags set but the a. I assume that's 'archived'? No trouble at all editing the file after it's copied back to the hard drive. I used the freeware CDBurnerXP, a BD-RE disk, and a plain .txt file. Lest you think it's a bd-re

Re: [CGUYS] Vista -- Help Needed with Read Only Flag

2009-09-17 Thread Chris Dunford
Today I did same with Vista. Again the problem with the read-only flag. Except this time after I uncheck the read-only box (and press Apply etc), I find that the files continues to be read only. When I reopen Properties I find the read-only box has been rechecked. I go round and round several

Re: [CGUYS] Vista -- Help Needed with Read Only Flag

2009-09-17 Thread mike
Or zip them. On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 7:47 PM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: Today I did same with Vista. Again the problem with the read-only flag. Except this time after I uncheck the read-only box (and press Apply etc), I find that the files continues to be read only. When I

Re: [CGUYS] Vista -- Help Needed with Read Only Flag

2009-09-17 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 17, 2009, at 10:14 PM, mike wrote: My other thought was...you are still using cds? Vista won't read any of our HFS formatted thumb drives and we had a pile of CDs handy. Thanks for the other ideas. Zipping the directory looks most promising. Zipping is built into Mac OS. I guess I

Re: [CGUYS] Vista -- Help Needed with Read Only Flag

2009-09-17 Thread mike
There is a free one built into windows also...not sure how good/bad it is, I always install winrar first thing on new windows installs. On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:53 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Sep 17, 2009, at 10:14 PM, mike wrote: My other thought was...you are still using cds?