Re: [CGUYS] What should one charge?

2007-05-10 Thread Paula Minor
Isn't the power button on the keyboard? Except for wireless keyboards, that is. My G4 AGP tower has a power key on the keyboard, as well as on the front of the box. -- Nope. It's on the back. My iMac is the "pre-intel" version. And I don't use the Mac keyboard so I can't see (right now)

Re: [CGUYS] What should one charge?

2007-05-10 Thread Snyder, Mark
Roger, Apple replaced the power button on the keyboard with an eject button (for the optical drive). Mark Snyder -Original Message- Isn't the power button on the keyboard? Except for wireless keyboards, that is. My G4 AGP tower has a power key on the keyboard, as well as on the front of

Re: [CGUYS] What should one charge?

2007-05-09 Thread mike
Or to place it somewhere for pure aesthetic reasons. Mike On 5/9/07, Alvin Auerbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Power button placement: It is NOT a mistake. It DOES serve the user by reducing the likelihood that a child or child-like adult will "experiment" with the power switch. ***

Re: [CGUYS] What should one charge?

2007-05-09 Thread Jim
Ahh, Another Mother -in- Law story .. She shuts off her flat panel iMac with the wall switch that controls the plug the computer gets its power from. The switch also controls the light in the room so it makes perfect sense to her. She has been doing this for a couple of years. Amaz

Re: [CGUYS] What should one charge?

2007-05-09 Thread Alvin Auerbach
Power button placement: It is NOT a mistake. It DOES serve the user by reducing the likelihood that a child or child-like adult will "experiment" with the power switch. The manufacturer of a device as expensive and complicated as a computer has a right to expect the purchaser to RTFM (Read T

Re: [CGUYS] What should one charge?

2007-05-09 Thread Roger D. Parish
At 10:53 AM -0400 5/9/07, Paula Minor wrote: I have not visited Apple recently - are the power buttons hard to find on the current models? The power button on my iMac is on the back, the same white color as the case. When I first got it I had to search a while for it. Isn't the power butto

Re: [CGUYS] What should one charge?

2007-05-09 Thread rlsimon
fficult to tell if the indicator is on or not. This has long struck me as a design flaw - make the indicator larger or something, so there is no doubt. Randall - Original Message - From: "Paula Minor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 9:53 AM Subject: R

Re: [CGUYS] What should one charge?

2007-05-09 Thread Jim
$45 for 10 minutes to diagnose the trash was so full the computer could not start up. Should have charged more just for time on the road but it was interesting to experience the incredulity I felt at someone owning a computer and not having grasped such a basic concept. I later discovered

Re: [CGUYS] What should one charge?

2007-05-09 Thread Randy
something, so there is no doubt. Randall - Original Message - From: "Paula Minor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] What should one charge? I have not visited Apple recently - are the power buttons hard to find on the curre

Re: [CGUYS] What should one charge?

2007-05-09 Thread Paula Minor
I have not visited Apple recently - are the power buttons hard to find on the current models? The power button on my iMac is on the back, the same white color as the case. When I first got it I had to search a while for it. Paula IN/USA Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the inte

Re: [CGUYS] What should one charge?

2007-05-09 Thread Snyder, Mark
OS X is not, I think to blame for an ill-placed power button. My G5's power button is on the front of the desktop chassis. My G4 Powerbook's power button is to the right of the keyboard. The eMac, a reduced cost iMac, is out of production. I have not visited Apple recently - are the power butto

Re: [CGUYS] What should one charge?

2007-05-09 Thread Tom Piwowar
>All of this shows the fallacy of, I think, software-commanded power off. >Most people think that in order to turn something off, you have to throw a >switch. If no switch was thrown, it can't possibly be "turned off". Instead, I think it shows the fallacy of giving designers too much input a

Re: [CGUYS] What should one charge?

2007-05-08 Thread Fred Holmes
All of this shows the fallacy of, I think, software-commanded power off. Most people think that in order to turn something off, you have to throw a switch. If no switch was thrown, it can't possibly be "turned off". I seem to recall from the "dark ages" some Macs that had no power switch at a

Re: [CGUYS] What should one charge?

2007-05-08 Thread Eric S. Sande
This reminds me of when I set up my mom (who was in her mid 80s at the time) with a new eMac. I gave her a user account (I kept administrator privileges for myself) and told her that she couldn't break it. Within a week she called me to say "I killed it!" All she did was shut it down. I ex

Re: [CGUYS] What should one charge?

2007-05-08 Thread Stephen Brownfield
This reminds me of when I set up my mom (who was in her mid 80s at the time) with a new eMac. I gave her a user account (I kept administrator privileges for myself) and told her that she couldn't break it. Within a week she called me to say "I killed it!" All she did was shut it down. I ex

Re: [CGUYS] What should one charge?

2007-05-08 Thread DRG
Remember - "A job worth doing is worth getting paid for." On May 8, 2007, at 11:42 AM, COMPUTERGUYS-L automatic digest system wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: May 8, 2007 10:11:04 AM PDT Subject: Re: What should one charge? Thanks very much for the comments, everyone! What a thoughtful

Re: [CGUYS] What should one charge?

2007-05-08 Thread Site Guy
I used to do that sort of work. I think you did the right thing charging her just $25. Consider it the cost of developing a new good customer. Bart - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 10:11 PM Subject: [CGUYS] What should one charg

Re: [CGUYS] What should one charge?

2007-05-08 Thread Tom Piwowar
>The thing that threw me about my client, >though, was that she really didn't realize that there was an "on" switch. >The computer was just always turned on. Fantastic confirmation of just how well the Macs do run. In contrast it would be a rare Windows user who did not know about BSOD, the th

Re: [CGUYS] What should one charge?

2007-05-08 Thread Chrperson
Thanks very much for the comments, everyone! What a thoughtful group! In "real" life, when not turning on computers, I repair/replace chair seats for customers. (Hence the e-mail name.) It took me many years, probably about 10 years in fact, to realize that I was giving away repairs which custo

Re: [CGUYS] What should one charge?

2007-05-08 Thread Michael Lewis
David Turk sez: >I struggle with this all the time when doing freelance work. I can do a >portrait in my sleep, but does that mean since it's easy for me, it >should be cheap? Most photographers feel they're charging for their >expertise & skills Exactly. It took me a long time to realize this.

Re: [CGUYS] What should one charge?

2007-05-08 Thread E. Riley Casey
For turning the computer on - $2.00 For round trip travel DC metro area- $60.00 For teaching the user about the on / off switch & the difference between sleep and shut down - $150 This shouldn't be an issue of computer / technology anxiety, male vs female, left brain vs right brain, old versu

Re: [CGUYS] What should one charge?

2007-05-08 Thread David Turk
Behalf Of g.knight Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 9:28 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] What should one charge? This is an interesting thread, especially the response about not knowing someone's personal handicaps (including lack of knowledge). The first thing that s

Re: [CGUYS] What should one charge?

2007-05-08 Thread g.knight
it's also your training and experience. BTW, Verizon bills at least $150 per hour to install and/or trouble shoot routing and switching gear on their customer's site. -Mike -Original Message----- Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 10:11 PM Subject: [CGUYS] What should one charge? Client

Re: [CGUYS] What should one charge?

2007-05-07 Thread Michel Lowe
COM Subject: [CGUYS] What should one charge? I got a call today from a sometime client. A Mac user, fwiw. She couldn't get her computer to turn on, having had to "force quit" something yesterday. Since I couldn't understand her explanation of her difficulty, I arranged to go

[CGUYS] What should one charge?

2007-05-07 Thread Chrperson
I got a call today from a sometime client. A Mac user, fwiw. She couldn't get her computer to turn on, having had to "force quit" something yesterday. Since I couldn't understand her explanation of her difficulty, I arranged to go over and take a look at the machine. Client has a very nice eMa