Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems

2009-12-20 Thread Fred Holmes
Before even enabling any Internet connection, install Zone Alarm Free and set it to ask on everything. Then you can comfortably install whatever you really want at leisure without worrying about an external attack. Of course, if you have stateful packet inspection enabled on your router, you

Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems

2009-12-20 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Fred Holmes f...@his.com wrote: Before even enabling any Internet connection, install Zone Alarm Free and set it to ask on everything. Then you can comfortably install whatever you really want at leisure without worrying about an external attack. Of course,

Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems

2009-12-20 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
If I do a reinstall for anyone, I usually make sure I am using as up to date an OS disk as possible. Then whatever updates need to be installed get installed. (I download them to a separate machine and load them onto the reinstalled machine.) When all that is done I make sure the Internet

Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems

2009-12-19 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 7:26 PM, Christopher Range lcms0...@comcast.netwrote: On 12/16/2009 11:29 AM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: According to M$ you need to have installed either SP1a or SP2 before installing SP3 on XP. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/322389 To make life easier I downloaded

Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems

2009-12-17 Thread Christopher Range
On 12/16/2009 11:01 PM, mike wrote: Could be...Nvidia goes back a ways with drivers. And there are always third party sites that keep old drivers around. And if you are really adventurous you can download custom made drivers just for the card you have. Ok

Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems

2009-12-16 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 12:45 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: SP 3 I believe is a rollup of all previous updates...shouldn't need to do SP2. According to M$ you need to have installed either SP1a or SP2 before installing SP3 on XP. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/322389 To make life

Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems

2009-12-16 Thread Tony B
Actually, it's even easier to just get a disk with WinXP SP3 already slipstreamed in. Install it, then enter your own license number. But really, I doubt I'll be installing XP any longer; it was fun while it lasted, but Win7 is too much of an improvement to make it worth the while. On Wed, Dec

Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems

2009-12-16 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, it's even easier to just get a disk with WinXP SP3 already slipstreamed in. Install it, then enter your own license number. But really, I doubt I'll be installing XP any longer; it was fun while it lasted, but Win7 is

Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems

2009-12-16 Thread Christopher Range
On 12/16/2009 12:45 AM, mike wrote: SP 3 I believe is a rollup of all previous updates...shouldn't need to do SP2. That is my understanding from the note about SP3, on Microsoft's website. * ** List info,

Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems

2009-12-16 Thread Christopher Range
On 12/16/2009 11:29 AM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: According to M$ you need to have installed either SP1a or SP2 before installing SP3 on XP. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/322389 To make life easier I downloaded SP2 and SP3 and burned them to a single CD along with decrappifier. It is nice

Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems

2009-12-16 Thread Christopher Range
On 12/16/2009 1:16 PM, Tony B wrote: Actually, it's even easier to just get a disk with WinXP SP3 already slipstreamed in. Install it, then enter your own license number. But really, I doubt I'll be installing XP any longer; it was fun while it lasted, but Win7 is too much of an improvement to

Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems

2009-12-16 Thread Christopher Range
On 12/16/2009 12:01 AM, Fred Holmes wrote: Whatever subsystem fails on the motherboard, and can be fixed by replacing it with the same function on a PCI card. Shouldn't the Firewire be on the MB as well? Slot covers can contain additional connectors, e.g. for an e-Sata drive. An SCSI card,

Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems

2009-12-16 Thread mike
But if the motherboard ALREADY has sound..you aren't spending even more for a sound card are you? I mean use onboard sound till it breaks, then put a pci card in? On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Christopher Range lcms0...@comcast.netwrote: On 12/16/2009 12:01 AM, Fred Holmes wrote: Whatever

Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems

2009-12-16 Thread mike
Google nLite, they do a free tool for slipstreaming not only SP's but drivers etc. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Christopher Range lcms0...@comcast.netwrote: On 12/16/2009 1:16 PM, Tony B wrote: Actually, it's even easier to just get a disk with WinXP SP3 already slipstreamed in. Install

Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems

2009-12-16 Thread Tony B
Any new disk you buy will already have SP3 in it. Assuming they're still selling XP. Then again, there are other places to download such disks. You'll still need your own license to run it. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Christopher Range lcms0...@comcast.net wrote: I haven't found a link on

Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems

2009-12-16 Thread Christopher Range
On 12/16/2009 7:40 PM, mike wrote: But if the motherboard ALREADY has sound..you aren't spending even more for a sound card are you? I mean use onboard sound till it breaks, then put a pci card in? I didn't want to wait for that to happen, to get the sound card. Besides, Why should I

Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems

2009-12-16 Thread Christopher Range
On 12/16/2009 7:52 PM, Tony B wrote: Any new disk you buy will already have SP3 in it. Assuming they're still selling XP. Then again, there are other places to download such disks. You'll still need your own license to run it. When you say that I still need my own license to run it, is it

Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems

2009-12-16 Thread Christopher Range
On 12/16/2009 1:05 AM, Reid Katan wrote: Have you tried Safe Mode? Like Mike said, there should be an option to step through the boot. Just keep on stepping until it stops on you. That should narrow it down. I will definitely give that a go. Is there a bug in XP SP2? 'Fraid I can't help

Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems

2009-12-16 Thread Christopher Range
On 12/16/2009 7:40 PM, mike wrote: Google nLite, they do a free tool for slipstreaming not only SP's but drivers etc. Thanks for mentioning that. I will definitely take a look at it. * ** List info, subscription

Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems

2009-12-16 Thread mike
Most mobo's have the same sound you get in inexpensive cards. Seems like doubling down even though you can only win once. I've got ROCKING pounding sound from my mobo...Them Crooked Vultures isn't a bad album especially nice and loud. To each his own though, we do what works, do not judge lest

Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems

2009-12-16 Thread Christopher Range
On 12/16/2009 1:17 AM, mike wrote: In my experience, it seems like video card manufacturers are always updating their drivers, I got in the habit of keeping older ones around for just what Tom is talking about. Until they stop supporting the card.

Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems

2009-12-16 Thread mike
Could be...Nvidia goes back a ways with drivers. And there are always third party sites that keep old drivers around. And if you are really adventurous you can download custom made drivers just for the card you have. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Christopher Range lcms0...@comcast.netwrote:

[CGUYS] XP Pro problems

2009-12-15 Thread Christopher Range
I have XP Pro SP1 via registered CD License. My computer: OS: XP Pro Mbd: Soyo SY-7VBA133U (6PCI, 1AGP) CPU: P3 933Mhz(clock speed 133Mhz) RAM: 1GB PC133 HDC: AHA-39320 HD: 147GB(2) U320 SCSI Video: 20 LG Flatron W2053TX Vid. Cont.: ATI Radeon 9600 SE VRAM: 128MB Sound Card: Audigy 2ZS

Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems

2009-12-15 Thread Tony B
You forgot to tell us what the problem is. Or what you've already tried to do to fix it. BTW, You don't need too many PCI slots any longer. I have two and one has firewire. What do you need your other five for? On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:19 PM, Christopher Range lcms0...@comcast.net wrote: I

Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems

2009-12-15 Thread Fred Holmes
At 11:29 PM 12/15/2009, Tony B wrote: BTW, You don't need too many PCI slots any longer. I have two and one has firewire. What do you need your other five for? Whatever subsystem fails on the motherboard, and can be fixed by replacing it with the same function on a PCI card. Shouldn't the

Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems

2009-12-15 Thread Reid Katan
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:19 PM, Christopher Range lcms0...@comcast.net wrote: I installed XP SP2 via upgrade CD and, when I tried to re-boot, the computer will hang right after the XP logo screen. So I thought the upgrade CD was damaged. [. . .] So, I would appreciate all feedback

Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems

2009-12-15 Thread mike
Starting in safe mode will also display the drivers as they load and you might see which one is hanging you On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:19 PM, Christopher Range lcms0...@comcast.net wrote: I installed XP SP2 via upgrade CD

Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems

2009-12-15 Thread mike
. - Original Message - From: Tony B ton...@gmail.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 9:29:20 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems You forgot to tell us what the problem is. Or what you've already tried to do to fix

Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems

2009-12-15 Thread Tony B
Sorry, I missed this the first time. It's true you must install SP2 before you can get up to SP3, so you don't have a choice; you must get SP2 in there. What's unusual is that usually in a clean install there shouldn't be any hangs. You aren't trying to install SP2/SP3 *after* you've installed

Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems

2009-12-15 Thread mike
SP 3 I believe is a rollup of all previous updates...shouldn't need to do SP2. On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, I missed this the first time. It's true you must install SP2 before you can get up to SP3, so you don't have a choice; you must get SP2 in

Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems

2009-12-15 Thread Christopher Range
: Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:19 PM, Christopher Range lcms0...@comcast.net wrote: I installed XP SP2 via upgrade CD and, when I tried to re-boot, the computer will hang right after the XP logo screen. So I thought the upgrade CD was damaged. [. . .] So, I

Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems

2009-12-15 Thread Christopher Range
, December 15, 2009 10:33:53 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems As an aside...Motherboards today almost always include sound and some sort of video on board. When or if these go out, you can easily put a card in and you have it working again. I don't use

Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems

2009-12-15 Thread Tony B
That might be the problem. Next time try installing SP2 immediately, before you try to install the mobo drivers. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 12:51 AM, Christopher Range lcms0...@comcast.net wrote: I already did update all the drivers. It didn't make a difference.

Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems

2009-12-15 Thread Reid Katan
Quoting Christopher Range lcms0...@comcast.net: I already did update all the drivers. It didn't make a difference. Have you tried Safe Mode? Like Mike said, there should be an option to step through the boot. Just keep on stepping until it stops on you. That should narrow it down. Is

Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems

2009-12-15 Thread t.piwowar
On Dec 16, 2009, at 12:51 AM, Christopher Range wrote: I already did update all the drivers. Roll back your video driver. I have found that recent video driver updates actually cause problems. When I rolled back video drivers my crashing stopped.

Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems

2009-12-15 Thread mike
In my experience, it seems like video card manufacturers are always updating their drivers, I got in the habit of keeping older ones around for just what Tom is talking about. On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:10 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 16, 2009, at 12:51 AM, Christopher Range

Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems

2009-12-15 Thread t.piwowar
On Dec 15, 2009, at 11:19 PM, Christopher Range wrote: I know that, a lot of the hardware on my computer needs to be upgraded. It looks fine to me. Should be able to run XP just fine as it is. * ** List info,