Most folks don't seem to get that you need a LOT of graphics
horsepower when gaming. This is completely at variance with
what you need for a general purpose office computer.
Well that will depend on the game. My copy of Zork! runs just fine on an
MDA card.
I can see a gamer buying a new
Some argue the merits of such headphones, others hear a considerable
difference between these and regular headphones.
And some people believe in alien abduction too. That does not make it so.
They say that gambling is a tax on those who are bad at math.
Products like 5.1 headphones are a tax
Mostly correct, although when gaming...or at the movies or anywhere else
where 5.1+ is in use, you don't move your head. Most of us can pick up the
sounds coming from different directions without moving...remind me not to
sit behind Tom at any movies.
That is true, but that is for a room full of
Supposedly, 3D headphones work by exaggerating the interference
patterns you naturally hear by having sounds from a source reach
each ear at different times. To me, this sounds more like producing
a hyper-realistic sensation than contributing much in the way of
extra information. Everyone's
Damn, Guys!! I did not meant to open such a can of worms that has brought
on personal attacks. Just wanted to get some idea what my options were.
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I showed my daughter the emails regarding the building of the computer. Her
question was Who ARE these guys? Sheesh!
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There have been no personal attacks in this thread, but as usual
sub-threads have broken off and not been renamed. I still think the
best and most direct answer you got was my very first. In any issue of
PC Gamer you'll get a parts list you can use _today_.
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 9:25 AM,
I showed my daughter the emails regarding the building of the computer.
Her question was Who ARE these guys? Sheesh!
Then she lives a very sheltered life. When fans get together a spirited
discussion is inevitable and a few elbows thrown is not at all unusual.
What could generate more
Aaah ... me thinks she was impressed. It's a generational thing...
db
Tom Piwowar wrote:
I showed my daughter the emails regarding the building of the computer.
Her question was Who ARE these guys? Sheesh!
Then she lives a very sheltered life. When fans get together a spirited
Aaah ... me thinks she was impressed. It's a generational thing...
I think a little more staying on--or at least close to--topic
would help. As soon as I see a budget I'll post a suggested
parts list.
As far as I know I'm the only one here who has admitted
scratch-building a computer
you need to distinguish between spirited discussion and petty discussion
--- On Fri, 1/16/09, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
From: Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Family Project
To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 5:03 PM
I showed my
It's *harder* to hear when someone is sneaking up behind you. But with
2D headphones it's *impossible*.
Could be, but that is not proof that headphones can provide 3D. It
probably means that the headphones are connected to only some of the 5
channels.
Go over to Wikipedia and read the very
I think you've misread the article. It clearly says only two ears are
required for localization. Which bears out my own experience with
surround headphones and the speaker test button. You can very clearly
tell the difference between the front and rear speakers wearing these
headphones.
Let's not
I think you've misread the article. It clearly says only two ears are
required for localization. Which bears out my own experience with
surround headphones and the speaker test button. You can very clearly
tell the difference between the front and rear speakers wearing these
headphones.
Crap.
Come on over than and I'll show you. When she says Front Right it
definitely sounds forward of when she says Rear Right. No movement
is needed. It may be nice to factor in movement for pinning down a
noise in the game world, but more often in games I just want to know
if I'm being attacked from
Is there such a rule of thumb in the gaming computer world?
Yes. Your graphics subsystem and power supply are the places
to spend the bucks.
400W is not nearly enough to run a modern graphics card and
processor, plus at a minimum one optical and two or three hard
drives, plus other stuff. I
In fact, now I remember hearing very good *stereo* 3D. They simply
record using two pickups in a styrofoam head. Different subject I
know, but like human vision, it's quite possible to fool human
hearing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binaural_recording
There is just no helping some people. You
Yes, we know Tom, you hate windows. We know, you've flogged it to
DEATH...we all know. It's not a secret. Everyone agrees with you now,
you've beaten everyone to your side. Windows is horrid and terrible and a
scourge. So can you possibly, possibly stop now? You refuse to answer
direct
Im a Mac fan and also get tired at times of Tom's blah, blah,
blah, But I have to remember why I joined this group. I left a list
controlled by the having a hard time remembering now...the Kartel
or something like that. Their restrictions and then not following
their own restrictions
Yes, we know Tom, you hate windows. We know, you've flogged it to
DEATH...we all know. It's not a secret. Everyone agrees with you now,
you've beaten everyone to your side. Windows is horrid and terrible and a
scourge.
I use Windows all the time. Probably half the time most days.
Why is it
Would it make a difference if they started with an off-lease Dell
workstation from http://www.dfsdirectsales.com/, or are those too
old?
They have some drawbacks as gaming machines, to put it
charitably. Principally in the areas of graphics capability and
power supply. Not to mention
I can see a gamer buying a new graphics card with each game
purchased.
My experience has been that mid range graphics cards are
usually going to be adequate for about half the processor
lifespan. My P4 platform got one midlife graphics upgrade
about 3 years in and wasn't retired (as a game
Tom Piwowar
Yes, we know Tom, you hate windows. We know, you've
flogged it to DEATH...we all know. It's not a secret.
Everyone agrees with you now, you've beaten everyone
to your side. Windows is horrid and terrible and a
scourge.
I use Windows all the time. Probably half the time most
days.
dfsdirectsales off lease machines seem to me to be older and more
expensive than the outlet machines
db
Eric S. Sande wrote:
Would it make a difference if they started with an off-lease Dell
workstation from http://www.dfsdirectsales.com/, or are those too old?
They have some drawbacks as
On Jan 15, 2009, at 5:45 PM, Wayne Dernoncourt wrote:
Tom Piwowar
Yes, we know Tom, you hate windows. We know, you've
flogged it to DEATH...we all know. It's not a secret.
Everyone agrees with you now, you've beaten everyone
to your side. Windows is horrid and terrible and a
scourge.
I
Oh come on, the answer to this is easy. Doesn't MS have app. 90%
market share? And if so, shouldn't they receive 90% of the bashing?
Think about it, how many bad things have you said about Yugos lately?
I could not have said it better myself.
Now the WFBs need to stop whining and get
Not really. At least on this thread, but what the hey, this thread
was so off topic it's not like it mattered.
On Jan 15, 2009, at 7:08 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote:
Oh come on, the answer to this is easy. Doesn't MS have app. 90%
market share? And if so, shouldn't they receive 90% of the
Not really. At least on this thread, but what the hey, this thread
was so off topic it's not like it mattered.
It definitely has a high noise to signal ratio.
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Wait a minute, she tells you front right and then you hear it as
coming from the front, and when she tells you rear right you
hear it as coming from the rear? That sounds like it could be
suggestion to me. As an experiment, try it on an unsuspecting
friend with the headphones on backwards and
I can see how building such a gaming computer would be an interesting
project in itself but my advice to you is that you should just buy one
but Dell Surplus in the next two weeks... before Jan 31st when their
business quarter concludes. (They always dump product via the surplus
warehouse
The only way to build a game machine yourself these days is to go buy
an issue of PC Gamer magazine and turn to the Hard Stuff section.
There, you'll find cheap, medium, and dream system components listed.
You usually can't go wrong building their medium system. Sometimes you
may want to get the
if AMD' and dual core are ok for online gaming, the Compaqs from office depot
are extremely inexpensive, and a very good start point. an upgrade video card
may be necessary. the very nice price units do not pop up on line, but they
are there when called by part number and only for the week
I have a daughter that has become intrigued by online gaming. In order to
further her interest, bond with her and (hopefully) to save some money, we
want to make a family project of building a gaming computer for her.
Looks like a fine family project.
Since you are doing professional audio
Actually, I think these are about the same now. The #1 video game
today is clearly World of Warcraft (WOW) with some 10-12 million
players. It's the old text MUD with graphics, which makes it an FPS.
Social text MUDs have, by these standards, virtually disappeared.
First question is what kind
I can't say I agree. You may get a cheaper system, but in the end not a
better built system. There is also the warranty, buy any computer and
you'll get a 1 year warranty, or if you pay quite a lot extra a 3 year.
Some companies have longer warranties like cyberypower (haven't checked
lately but
Mostly correct, although when gaming...or at the movies or anywhere else
where 5.1+ is in use, you don't move your head. Most of us can pick up the
sounds coming from different directions without moving...remind me not to
sit behind Tom at any movies.
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Tom Piwowar
Oh and aside from not wanting to sit behind Tom at the movies:
http://www.jr.com/akr8-surround-pc-headphone/pe/TBS_AKR8/#productTabDetails
Some argue the merits of such headphones, others hear a considerable
difference between these and regular headphones.
Fact: Tom should stop calling people
Is there such a rule of thumb in the gaming computer world?
Yes. Your graphics subsystem and power supply are the places
to spend the bucks.
400W is not nearly enough to run a modern graphics card and
processor, plus at a minimum one optical and two or three hard
drives, plus other stuff. I
Let's not forget, for a gaming system you need 5.1 sound. Not only 5.1
speakers, but a good 5.1 headset too. I use one of the Turtle Beach
models.
This is news to me. I run the digital stream over an optical cable to
a DAC which can feed either my headphones or my main power
amp over balanced
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