Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-11 Thread Ralph
You keep asking why, when their oppressors let them raise their heads out of the water to take a breath of air, the Palestinians don't thank the Israelis and immediately start acting like grateful citizens. It might be useful to imagine how Americans would have reacted if we had lost the Korean

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-11 Thread Matthew Taylor
Please remember who declared war upon whom, and who has chosen to remain at war. Israel accepted the UN partition plan - the bulk of the palestinian arabs, backed by their arab neighbors, rejected the partition and declared war. They lost the first phase of the war (1948) and every

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-10 Thread Wayne Dernoncourt
Art Clemons Peace is possible the day the Palestinian people want to live in peace. To date the majority has not so chosen. I do not support everything Israel does or has done, but until all their neighbors, including the Palestinians, accept its right to exist and live in peace, the war

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-10 Thread John Emmerling
Hamas was launching rockets as recently a week ago (I won't vouch for the reliability of this NewsDaily site, so please corroborate for yourself): http://www.newsdaily.com/stories/tre5100oy-us-palestinians-israel/ On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 7:41 AM, Wayne Dernoncourt way...@panix.com wrote: But

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-10 Thread Wayne Dernoncourt
John Emmerling Hamas was launching rockets as recently a week ago (I won't vouch for the reliability of this NewsDaily site, so please corroborate for yourself): I was talking about the suicide bombers. -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this,

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-10 Thread Wayne Dernoncourt
Wayne Dernoncourt But they do get rockets, mortars and explosives into Gaza and the West Bank along with people who will kill themselves with the explosives (hmmm, that hasn't happened recently has it, at least I haven't seen it in the news). The focus of the Israeli's seems to be to stop

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-10 Thread Matthew S. Taylor
The Israeli army forcibly evicted Israeli settlers from Gaza when Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza. The result was a violent Hamas takeover in Gaza, raids on Israeli border posts, the kidnapping of a soldier, and indiscriminate rocket fire from Hamas controlled Gaza into Israel.

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-10 Thread John Emmerling
If you're talking about the recent unpleasantness in Gaza, then there are no disputed zones at issue. It is my impression that the rockets launched from Gaza (the stated provocation for the Israeli incursions into Gaza) have largely landed in neighboring parts of Israel e.g. Ashkelon. These

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-06 Thread Art Clemons
Peace is possible the day the Palestinian people want to live in peace. To date the majority has not so chosen. I do not support everything Israel does or has done, but until all their neighbors, including the Palestinians, accept its right to exist and live in peace, the war those

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-06 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I am not an authority, but I do know some of what is going on. Part of the problem is that in the mind set of both parties neither one belongs there. Palestinians believe that the Israelis do not belong there, and the Israelis do not believe that the Palestinians belong there. Also note

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-06 Thread John Emmerling
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Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-05 Thread Jeff Wright
On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: One of my first posts likened tax cuts to spreading money around randomly, with no purpose. Not to worry Tom, I'm sure that Obama will soon appoint an economy czar, who will determine what the correct number of turnips, tractors

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-05 Thread Steve at Verizon
From today's New York Times Agency Says Hamas Took Aid Intended for Needy JERUSALEM — The United Nations http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/u/united_nations/index.html?inline=nyt-org agency that provides assistance to Palestinian

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-04 Thread Snyder, Mark (IT-EI)
PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves Not if the laws of the jurisdiction mandate such up front. I also never said there should not be adequate planning - I assume it is the duty of the government to plan

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-04 Thread Roy Ackerman,Ph.D.,P.Ch.E.,E.A.
703.783.1340 fax From: Snyder, Mark (IT-EI) mark.sny...@ngc.com Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 6:42 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves In my small

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-04 Thread Matthew Taylor
Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of Tom Piwowar Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 4:51 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves Not if the laws of the jurisdiction mandate such up front. I also

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-04 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
For many small communities if it were not for state or federal governments they would never be able to provide these services. When I lived in WI, the local community had a water system. Worked great until they found pout their source of water was being contaminated by an underground source.

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-04 Thread Matthew Taylor
It seems to me that there was an actionable tort against the owners of the land where the service station was, and the owners of the station at the time of abandonment. Were they made to pay costs for remediating the pollution they caused? What did the municipality consider more important

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-04 Thread Matthew Taylor
And yet they do this because it is clear that their own publics would not support paying market prices directly. And it also helps keep third world farmers at starvation level because they can not compete with European (and American) subsidized agriculture. Good job. Oh, and then we

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-04 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Not particularly true. Statistics have shown there is enough food produced in the world to feed everyone. The problem is with distribution. Also very HUGE problem corrupt governments that would rather their populace die than allow them the needed food. Case in point, Ethiopia in the

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-04 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Try and track it down. I am not sure if you know the history of many small gas stations, but very frequently they were part owned by a local person and part by a national corp. In this case paperwork disappeared and no one was left holding the bag. Probably a National Oil company long

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-04 Thread Matthew Taylor
On Feb 4, 2009, at 11:00 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Not particularly true. What is not true? Statistics have shown there is enough food produced in the world to feed everyone. Agreed The problem is with distribution. Also very HUGE problem corrupt governments that would

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-04 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
At 10:18 AM 2/4/2009, you wrote: Agreed - with the caveat that part of the distribution problem is that in some areas the locals can not price compete with subsidized imported food, and so leave the farms and head for the cities. Yes and no. Very often the government discourages the

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-04 Thread Chris Dunford
Remember Sam Kinison? Get in the trucks - you live in a freaking desert - we are taking you to where the food is I laughed so hard I cried. I remember this--it was very funny advice, but not real practical. * ** List

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-04 Thread Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A.
Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of Chris Dunford Sent: 02/04/2009 12:07 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves Remember Sam Kinison? Get in the trucks - you live in a freaking desert - we

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-04 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
At 11:09 AM 2/4/2009, you wrote: Agreed - that one routine was funny though. I did not find many of his routines funny. I am sorry to see you are in Gaza enabling Hamas. Money is fungible and I can not support Hamas. Matthew If people are in need people are in need. It does not matter

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-04 Thread Matthew Taylor
Not at all practical, but the routine was funny. I found this link to three versions of the bit for those who don't know what we are talking about. Warning - he is quite profane. http://bobsfunnies.blogspot.com/2008/03/sam-kinison-ethiopia-sketch.html Matthew On Feb 4, 2009, at 12:06 PM,

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-04 Thread Matthew Taylor
But by providing a support structure for Hamas, you help perpetuate the suffering. I know it is harsh, but sometimes you have to let people suffer until they change the behavior that creates the suffering. I would be all in favor aid programs to take people out of Gaza, or to take Hamas

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-04 Thread Matthew Taylor
-Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM ] On Behalf Of Chris Dunford Sent: 02/04/2009 12:07 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves Remember Sam Kinison? Get

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-04 Thread Steve at Verizon
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves Remember Sam Kinison? Get in the trucks - you live in a freaking desert - we are taking you to where the food is I laughed so hard I cried. I remember this--it was very funny advice, but not real practical

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-04 Thread Snyder, Mark (IT-EI)
You have that backwards. Foolish government offers subsidized flood insurance program and property owner buys it (sometimes required to by the lender). I hope people who buy insurance are not foolish to expect to be paid for an insured loss. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message-

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-04 Thread b_s-wilk
And yet they do this because it is clear that their own publics would not support paying market prices directly. And it also helps keep third world farmers at starvation level because they can not compete with European (and American) subsidized agriculture. Good job. Oh, and then we send tons

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-04 Thread b_s-wilk
But by providing a support structure for Hamas, you help perpetuate the suffering. I know it is harsh, but sometimes you have to let people suffer until they change the behavior that creates the suffering. I would be all in favor aid programs to take people out of Gaza, or to take Hamas out of

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-04 Thread Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A.
, from tax to investments- we are YOUR adjuvancy -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of b_s-wilk Sent: 02/04/2009 3:20 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-04 Thread Jordan
b_s-wilk wrote: Medium-sized family-owned farms are the most efficient in the long-run. They get fewer subsidies [by %] than the large factory farms. Mid-sized farms not only have high yields, they also protect the land, with farmers living on the farms, unlike corporate farms. Corporate

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-04 Thread Matthew Taylor
On Feb 4, 2009, at 9:52 PM, Ralph wrote: But by providing a support structure for Hamas, you help perpetuate the suffering. As opposed to the good done with the billions of dollars supplied by U.S. taxpayers to kill Palestinians? Peace is possible the day the Palestinian people want to

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-03 Thread Snyder, Mark (IT-EI)
I am on the town council in a historic Virginia town of about 700. We provide water and sewer services to in-town residents. In the 1970's, the town built its sewer using state and federal grants to defray almost all of the cost. Connection and availability fees were too low. When we realized

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-03 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I lived in a small town in WI. (350) that also had a sewer system and water system. The state came in and forced them to raise their rates to prevent what you are talking about. They dictated what type of reserve they had to keep and the minimum they could charge to make sure they were

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-03 Thread Matthew S. Taylor
And I agree with the sentiment expressed (though not the supernatural part). I just don't agree that we should use the force of government to compel others to provide what should be voluntary charity. There are things government does best (national defense, protection against predation)

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-03 Thread Matthew S. Taylor
It reads to me that the problem was as you identified it: Connection and availability fees were too low. If you charge what it actually costs then polities have a greater incentive to build only what they need, and users have an incentive to be much more frugal in their use. If you

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-03 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
There should not be any church militias!!! (Separation of church and state or in theological language kingdom of the left and kingdom of the right.) However Canada's hospital systems belie your comments they are efficiently run and well run. Though they are owned by the government. One of

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-03 Thread Matthew S. Taylor
I have heard they are well run for emergency services. I have also read that they are severely underfunded with resulting long waits for operations that are not absolutely emergent. I also seem to recall having read that at least one province is fighting hard to make it illegal for

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-03 Thread Snyder, Mark (IT-EI)
It is more complicated than that. Funding must be identified for future capacity as well as current or new users will be shut out. So we added a modest increase in the new capacity of the new plant. Also, when the state and federal government shut down those grant funds, they left municipal

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-03 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I can tell you how it works as I have lived there and have experienced it first hand. One thing we know is that they are flat funded. In other words they only get so many bucks a year, and do not collect from the patient any money. Not all hospitals have MRI or CTScan machines or other high

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-03 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
That is normally done in most areas. My mother has septic, but is surrounded by the city. They have no intent on running lines into my mothers subdivision but if they choose to sign on with the city they will charge them a large hook up fee, and then the customer will have to pay to run the

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-03 Thread Snyder, Mark (IT-EI)
That is a vastly over-simplified account. I never recoup the cost of my water or sewer plants in your scenario. You also ignore the disruption when the state or federal government suddenly ignores these infrastructures. Life sounds very simple in your world. Probably too simple. Thank you,

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-03 Thread Matthew S. Taylor
How do you not recoup your costs if you charge appropriately for the cost of service? Part of the cost is a reserve for predictable maintenance and growth. Why is a town relying on state funds to provide service to the town? Why should the town not be providing all strictly local

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-03 Thread Snyder, Mark (IT-EI)
For someone with so many criticisms of government, you know curiously little about actually running one! If I don't charge an amount proportional to the customer's use of the system, when it comes time to replace those parts of that system, where will the money come from? (Developers hate me

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-03 Thread Matthew S. Taylor
On Feb 3, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Snyder, Mark (IT-EI) wrote: If I don't charge an amount proportional to the customer's use of the system, when it comes time to replace those parts of that system, where will the money come from? (Developers hate me for charging this, but eventually I will go

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-03 Thread Tom Piwowar
Not if the laws of the jurisdiction mandate such up front. I also never said there should not be adequate planning - I assume it is the duty of the government to plan for such eventualities. Are you telling me you are not? I think the cons/neocons describe this as passing debts on to

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-03 Thread mike
Obviously Mathew, you are a neocon. Just like Barney Frank had nothing to do with the fall of fannie/freddie...even though you can read NYT stories about it...all a neocon plot. On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Matthew S. Taylor taylorsmatt...@gmail.comwrote: Tom, Did you ever notice that

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-03 Thread Jeff Miles
I don't know where you live, but here on the West Coast that's just wrong. Many of those so called liberals do run some of the larger cities. But as the neocons enjoy saying, most of the land in this country is controlled by smaller cities and towns usually run by mostly neocons. Here is

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-03 Thread Matthew S. Taylor
Tom, Did you ever notice that most of the big urban areas, with the big breaking water mains and such (and troubling schools, and pot hole filled roads) are not run by your pet bogeymen, the cons/neocons, but mostly by liberals / political machine Democrats? Could it be that pandering

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-03 Thread mike
It's too bad those bridges fell down under lefties/socialists who were running the city into the ground before they were led off to jail. On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Not if the laws of the jurisdiction mandate such up front. I also never said there should

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-03 Thread Snyder, Mark (IT-EI)
Your suggestions are as practical to me as an instruction on driving elephants that I might write for you. Sure, I've seen elephants at the circus, zoo and on TV. Perhaps more than you've seen about actual government budgeting, legislation and operations? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-03 Thread Tom Piwowar
You need to learn a lot before any of your positions will make any sense or could be implemented in the real world. Your ideas are about as practical as telling your doctor how to diagnose, prescribe for and operate on you. You describe a fantasy world, not reality. But they do tell doctors how

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-03 Thread Tom Piwowar
Did you ever notice that most of the big urban areas, with the big breaking water mains and such (and troubling schools, and pot hole filled roads) are not run by your pet bogeymen, the cons/neocons, but mostly by liberals / political machine Democrats? Could it be that pandering to

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-02 Thread Matthew S. Taylor
I am curious - why Wow? 1. I favor a limited government of enumerated powers (gov't may only do what it is expressly permitted rather than everything not expressly forbidden). 2. I favor free market economics. 3. I favor a robust foreign policy restrained by constitutional

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-02 Thread Matthew S. Taylor
'Re-read my earlier post. ;^) And no, while he was much, much, closer, he does not hit on all of them. Matthew On Feb 2, 2009, at 11:24 AM, John Emmerling wrote: Then why didn't you vote for Bob Barr? He supported all your views. On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Matthew S. Taylor

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-02 Thread Jordan
Palin is great for the media because she's such a wacko. It seems to me that if you aren't aware of that, then you just aren't paying attention. Specifically, you mentioned small government. If you go here: http://tinyurl.com/cyn3o5 and look for an article starting with Palin As Reformer, you

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-02 Thread Jordan
As far as Palin's religion goes, check out this article: http://tinyurl.com/6rwm5y It's called Palin's Movement Urges 'Godly' To 'Plunder' Wealth of The 'Godless' * ** List info, subscription management, list rules,

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-02 Thread Matthew S. Taylor
And now you reference the Huff Po? Do you read anything that is not an organ of the left? Tell me, were they as critical of Obama's 20 year relationship with Rev. Wright? Why do I think not? Matthew On Feb 2, 2009, at 12:31 PM, Jordan wrote: As far as Palin's religion goes, check out

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-02 Thread Matthew S. Taylor
Talking Point Memo as a good source of impartial information on Palin? Please ... Oh, and yes, I read it all before during the campaign. If it was not so sad, it would have been funny to see the left and the main stream media (not that there is much difference between the two, its just

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-02 Thread Matthew S. Taylor
And speaking of the New Deal there is this interesting article in the WSJ (yes, capitalist conservative): http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123353276749137485.html The downturn of 1937-38 was preceded by large wage hikes that pushed wages well above their NIRA levels, following the Supreme

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-02 Thread Jordan
Matthew S. Taylor wrote: And now you reference the Huff Po? Do you read anything that is not an organ of the left? Everything I gave a link to had links to generally well researched articles sighting points of fact. Research things down to the facts. The fact speak for themselves. Sounds

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-02 Thread Chris Dunford
McCain was a tempting candidate for a short time. Then he opened his mouth. Then he picked a running mate for VP. That pretty much sealed the deal. Before I get slammed, Ha. No slamming here--you are one right-thinking dude. Check my little blog: http://justweirdstuff.blogspot.com/.

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-02 Thread John Emmerling
Then why didn't you vote for Bob Barr? He supported all your views. On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Matthew S. Taylor taylorsmatt...@gmail.com wrote: I am curious - why Wow? 1. I favor a limited government of enumerated powers (gov't may only do what it is expressly permitted rather than

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-02 Thread Jordan
Matthew S. Taylor wrote: McCain was never in the least bit tempting for me (due to his attitudes toward mere free speech and such) until he picked Palin. Then I seriously thought about voting for her for her small government views in spite of her cultural conservatism. All I can say is WOW!!

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-02 Thread Matthew S. Taylor
McCain was never in the least bit tempting for me (due to his attitudes toward mere free speech and such) until he picked Palin. Then I seriously thought about voting for her for her small government views in spite of her cultural conservatism. In the end I went third party (which in MD

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-02 Thread Tom Piwowar
Why? Were you under the impression I was a diest? Choosing Gold over God is a good indicator of avarice. False distinction. By definition excessive taxation would not be good governance. Then we clearly do not have good governance today, and throwing more money at it won't create it. Case

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-02 Thread Tom Piwowar
What really gets me is people always seem to think government is this nefarious bunch out to ruin our lives. In the US the government is us. Self loathing isn't new. In fact I think a small amount of it is healthy. It keeps a person focused. The cons/neocons self-loathing gets me too. For

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-02 Thread Tom Piwowar
Really Tom, what is this analogy of sharing toys about? When you share toys, it is with the understanding that 1. Some party owns the toys and 2. that party expects them to be returned, undiminished, when play time is over. How does this apply to taxation? Taxes are the price we pay for

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-02 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
At 05:59 PM 2/2/2009, you wrote: Choosing Gold over God is a good indicator of avarice. I would agree wholeheartedly. Luther once said you God is where your gold is. That's right we don't have good governance today. Due to the excessive influence of the cons/noecons the public sector is

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-02 Thread Tom Piwowar
In what way is a parent giving assets to a child undemocratic? Has any parent been denied the same opportunity, equal before the law? It makes no sense that an individual is free to give their money away, so long as they don't give it to their kin. I really do not understand the

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-02 Thread Tom Piwowar
Ethically, I believe I am compelled to help my neighbor in time of need. I reject any notion that I have the right to compel you to help your neighbor. Its a freedom thing. So you also reject the notion that your neighbor should be compelled to refrain from murdering you?

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-02 Thread Tom Piwowar
Then why didn't you vote for Bob Barr? He supported all your views. Bob Barr is a hypocrite. While in Congress he was constantly meddling in the affairs of the local people and acting a bully. His favorite tactic was to put holds on legislation important to the locals until they capitulated

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-02 Thread Tom Piwowar
Now I would not want a whole military of part-time/volunteer folks. It is best if it is done in tandem. (Oh by the way you get more bang for your buck with the Reserves/Guard. Studies have proven it.) Of course. The problem is that the cons/neocons push voluntary as a means of entirely

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-02 Thread Matthew Taylor
On Feb 2, 2009, at 6:59 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: Why? Were you under the impression I was a diest? Choosing Gold over God is a good indicator of avarice. Can't do the former if you don't believe the existence of the latter is proven. False distinction. By definition excessive taxation

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-02 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Everyone serves a god. Wether it be one from a formal religion or it be one of their own making. It is a persons choice, but everyone serves a god. Stewart At 07:06 PM 2/2/2009, you wrote: Can't do the former if you don't believe the existence of the latter is proven. Rev. Stewart A.

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-02 Thread Matthew Taylor
He was a politician - same thing. No doubt Tom Oh, that 140K in taxes Daschel is your idol. On Feb 2, 2009, at 7:40 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: Then why didn't you vote for Bob Barr? He supported all your views. Bob Barr is a hypocrite. While in Congress he was constantly meddling in the

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-02 Thread Matthew Taylor
Really Tom. When a neo-con, or trad-con, or blue-dog Democrat runs into a burning building (an honor I have not had) are they opting out? When vastly greater numbers of conservatives serve in uniform than liberals, are they opting out? Are the service groups throughout the land opting

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-02 Thread Matthew Taylor
Do you need a lecture on positive vs. negative liberties? There is a big difference between what I must do, and what I must not do. As said earlier, and you keep ignoring, protection from predation is a key role of limited government. Matthew On Feb 2, 2009, at 7:33 PM, Tom Piwowar

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-02 Thread Matthew Taylor
And completely fails to address your silly sharing toys analogy. On Feb 2, 2009, at 7:25 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: Really Tom, what is this analogy of sharing toys about? When you share toys, it is with the understanding that 1. Some party owns the toys and 2. that party expects them to be

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-02 Thread Matthew Taylor
Dynastic succession to power under law, to classic privilege (private law is the root as I recall) is undemocratic. There is nothing undemocratic about allowing a holder of wealth to give that wealth to the party of their choice, be it their children, a homeless shelter, the SDS, the

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-02 Thread Matthew Taylor
Now that is an interesting assertion. Also an interesting definition of god? Could you elaborate please? No one has ever told me I believed in God before, though many appear to have assumed I was of their or similar faith based on our association. Matthew On Feb 2, 2009, at 8:15 PM,

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-02 Thread Jeff Miles
Kind of what I was thinking. Though not surprised by the comment considering it comes from a Reverend. Jeff M On Feb 2, 2009, at 5:45 PM, Matthew Taylor wrote: Now that is an interesting assertion. Also an interesting definition of god? Could you elaborate please? No one has ever

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-02 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Now of course I come from the belief in only one God. But Luther stated that where ever you put your trust there is your god. For some they have made the gathering of wealth their god, others sports (do not get me started on that one) and still others politics. Essentially whatever a person

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-02 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
One of the biggest problems in any society is what level of regulation is proper. You can under regulate and over regulate. DMA can be seen by many (except for the RIAA and others) as over regulation. However the SEC can be seen as under regulating (Along with the FDA and others.) It is a

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-02 Thread Steve at Verizon
No, I think he meant that you shouldn't be prosecuted for violating the Good Samaritan law for which the Seinfeld 4 were found guilty in the last episode of the show. Tom Piwowar wrote: Ethically, I believe I am compelled to help my neighbor in time of need. I reject any notion that I have

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-02 Thread Steve at Verizon
I agree. That's why this country is so great. It has the highest turnover of the very rich than any other country. However, I don't like the idea of the government determining excessive wealth. Is it Obama's 250K (salary), 1M, 5M, 10M, 50M, 500M? Tom Piwowar wrote: In what way is a parent

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-02 Thread Steve at Verizon
Actually it was the left which pushed for the all voluntary military. I remember it well, as I was a leftie back in the early '70s, primarily to keep my sorry ass from being sent to Nam. The Democratic Congress recognized that we could maintain a voluntary army in peace time, with the backing

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-02 Thread Matthew Taylor
I am not sure that there is anywhere that I put my trust. I have met some of the gold is god congregation, as well as the temple of sports types. I don't understand them. I know folks who live and breath politics - they strike me as needing a life. By your first and foremost maxim then

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-02 Thread Matthew Taylor
On Feb 2, 2009, at 9:10 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: One of the biggest problems in any society is what level of regulation is proper. Very true. You can under regulate and over regulate. DMA can be seen by many (except for the RIAA and others) as over regulation. However the

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-02 Thread b_s-wilk
Forget Karl Marx and neocons. This is a good place for an appropriately sensible quote from the Bible, like Matthew 25:31-46? [Matthew was a kool dood] ...when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? ...When did we see you a stranger and invite you in,

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-02 Thread John Emmerling
Whoa! Way off topic! On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: OK, now back to computers. My PowerMac G5 had a BSOD yesterday. Painful, UGLY, until my husband told me he installed a ca. 2002 utility that hasn't worked since Jagwire, and G5 has Leopard. Went into

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-02 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Not only that the Con's with the help of others have tried to kill the Guard and Reserve every chance they get. The last Quadrennial review in the 90's wiped out many of the same units that served with distinction in Desert Storm in the early 90's. Stewart At 07:36 PM 2/2/2009, you wrote:

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-02 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Hey Betty never said you didn't. Anyone can study the Bible and I encourage folks to do so. You do not have to be religious to get something out of it. Just like you everyone has their chosen profession. Mine happens to be a minister. (By the way in answer to Cain's question (Not Mc)

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-01 Thread Jeff Miles
I'll go into the rest of your argument later, but for now, what the hell does this mean? Maybe those willing to buy the product being produced? Excuse me, but frack your PLATIUDES AND SNARK remark. I won't throw the same. Jeff M On Jan 31, 2009, at 9:33 PM, Matthew Taylor wrote:

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-01 Thread Jeff Miles
You need to double check who you're replying to. And when replying to more then one, make it obvious. Jeff M On Jan 31, 2009, at 9:33 PM, Matthew Taylor wrote: On Jan 31, 2009, at 2:49 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: It has everything with who the primary producer of wealth is. You have to get

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-01 Thread John Emmerling
Here I'm going to violate DRY: After reading the full Joe the Plumber quote, I am certain Obama only intended to say that the economy works best when there is prosperity at all levels. However, I think his choice of the phrase spread the wealth around was ill-considered, and he probably regrets

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