Re: [CGUYS] Swapping Boot Drives
With apologies for my lack of understanding, I'm not sure I see where this conversation about external drives is taking me. What is really at issue is whether or not I do a full install (be that on an external, internal, or whatever drive) of all my programs for the sake of a month of the loaner if I am going to have to repeat all of that when the new machine arrives. My alternatives are to muddle along as I am and do not do anything until the new machine arrives, or do a minimal installation on the loaner so that my soon-to-be-duplicated effort is minimized, or do a full blown installation on the loaner, which I would only do if I have reasonable prospect of being able to port over all of that work to the new machine without starting from scratch again. How does an extremal drive solve this for me? Michael From: b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 1:23:53 AM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Swapping Boot Drives Yes, you can boot from an external drive, but that's not what he's asking. It's what he needs to do, but didn't state it. With a loaner computer, there's no reason to bother to switch the hard drive when you can plug in an external, possibly bare drive for a week or so until the right computer arrives. Easy. I can boot from a flash drive on my Mac. That's easier. Might work with Windows? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Swapping Boot Drives
Michael Wosnick escribió: With apologies for my lack of understanding, I'm not sure I see where this conversation about external drives is taking me. What is really at issue is whether or not I do a full install (be that on an external, internal, or whatever drive) of all my programs for the sake of a month of the loaner if I am going to have to repeat all of that when the new machine arrives... How does an extremal drive solve this for me? When you install everything you need on an external drive it saves you a lot of time and effort. You won't have to open the loaner computer. You won't have to install all your programs and data on someone else's drive. You won't have to take the time to wipe the drive of the loaner to return it to pristine condition. Everything you use is on a drive you own. When you get your own computer, you can either clone the external drive to the internal or swap them. Either way, you own both and don't have to bother with someone else's drive. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
First time I used Vista, I couldn't find menus in most of the programs. Then I hit the ALT key and the menus appeared--JUST LIKE IN *DOS*. Now THAT'S really archaic. You guys are SO used to arguing the rabid PC vs Mac (Hatfield vs. McCoys?) that you automatically assume if someone criticizes one computer system then he/ she is a fan boy of the other. I was not doing that ... I was just trying to point out some design issues with Aqua that seem blatantly bad to me... that the Mac ... the better computer has some surprisingly poorly thought out, unintuitive / archaic features... Can't we have that kind of discussion? Yes VISTA/ 7 are have features which are absolutely archaic and IGNORANT!. Particularly the fact that MS has started to hide all the menus in their interfaces for the last couple of years .. something that is really bothersome and DUMB but at least you can turn off. They now seem to think the interface is a piece of art that one hangs on the wall or something... it's not ... it's a tool and tools have their controls exposed so they are easily and quickly available to do the work that is their purpose. Apple menus change because the apps have different purposes. Different menus are good. Fitting square pegs into round holes as a menu metaphor is pointless. All menus are different ... it's just that PC and Linux menus remain intuitively attached to the item they belong to ... so that no one has to give that issue any thought/ confusion or extra clicks about it. Mac menus are only attached if you understand how they work ... in other words ... you don't know what they are about intuitively. It's more efficient for workflow to leave programs open in the background to go back and forth even where windows aren't always open. I usually have five or six programs running and use them all. No need to close and reopen programs that are being used most of the time anyway, unless you don't care about wasting time--that's just bad design. My Mac has enough memory and a fast processor to handle the traffic. I would point out that the majority of computer users are not experienced pros like us and this Apple menu feature bedevils the majority of average users until the point that they become relatively experienced users. The magic and unattached Apple menu make is so much more difficult to train the uninitiated ... and it causes a number of complications re: what's running?, RAM depletion and file backup. You may be used to it, understand it completely and take it for granted but it's not a metaphor / design that the brain takes to easily / intuitively. (YES IT WAS when the alternative was DOS but it's not now). You will note that Linux ... a newer system designed by very tech savvy people .. borrows heavily from both Win and Mac but when it came to Menus and Taskbars/ Docks design they didn't go with Mac's whimsical, primitive design initially thought out around 1980 (?) ... they went with the more advanced design that leapfrogged it ... the better concept that windows used in 1995. My first computer was a Mac ... and I still work with them almost every day ... but because the Dock/Finder/menu systems slows me down so much in handling the large numbers of concurrent windows and programs that I normally juggle, my personal computer is always a win or a linux machine. Just seems stupidly quirky, sentimental and anachronistic for the great Apple design teams to stay with such outmoded design when at the same time they are doing such brilliant cutting edge work. I'm willing to bet the Apple engineers' would have long ago redesigned the Menu/Finder/Dock but Job's probably is hopelessly enamored with his baby ... as he long was known to be with the 1 button mouse. In fact, I think the OS X dock was an attempt to catch up the Mac interface design ... which was torpedoed unfortunately by the pride of keeping it substantially different at the same time. And the newer Mac add-ons to expose the desktop, find the current window, find all the windows, switch windows, more easlily find your program executable are laboriously clumsy and cluged work-arounds that could just be solved by fixing the instruments that were originally designed to perform those functions ... the Finder, dock, and menus Automobiles used to have starting systems, shift levers, headlight dimmer, horns ... you name it ... all working differently and located all over the interior of the car with each manufacturer. But guess what?... they all work all most identically now and they are all located in the same relative place. By and large better utility won out probably because in the case of autos ... form REALLY followed function ... it was dangerous to continue otherwise... Apple would be better off in its own right if they would give a little now and then when someone else has a better design element... IMHO, db
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
Exactly! Well said... What's not to like about such intuitive and inclusive simplicity of function? db mike wrote: Vista/7 menus change also depending on what is going on. I don't recall menus appearing in DOS...but I never used it that much. TBO, I never knew the ALT key brought up the old style menus from win2k/xp etc in vista/7...I like the new system. I think some users are still used to older systems when you did have to worry about programs running in the background. I like knowing what is running just because, I like being able to minimize something and know it's still running, I like to be able to close something and know it's closed. That doesn't seem that much to ask. On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 11:37 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: * What's the usefulness of the Apple menu bar that morphs with each application and leaves apps running and consuming memory and file locking in place when you are done with the program but unknowingly only close the app window. You have to be an experienced user to avoid the complications unnecessarily and clumsily caused by the archaic menu bar design. First time I used Vista, I couldn't find menus in most of the programs. Then I hit the ALT key and the menus appeared--JUST LIKE IN *DOS*. Now THAT'S really archaic. Apple menus change because the apps have different purposes. Different menus are good. Fitting square pegs into round holes as a menu metaphor is pointless. It's more efficient for workflow to leave programs open in the background to go back and forth even where windows aren't always open. I usually have five or six programs running and use them all. No need to close and reopen programs that are being used most of the time anyway, unless you don't care about wasting time--that's just bad design. My Mac has enough memory and a fast processor to handle the traffic. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Swapping Boot Drives
In essence, my original question was to utilize an external drive of sorts - at least external to the new machine I don't have yet. I was going to use a brand new drive placed temporarily into the loaner and the swap it into the new machine when it arrives. That was exactly my original question. But the prevailing wisdom here is that any system drive that is used in the loaner will not swap easily into a new machine since the hardware, peripherals, bios, MB etc will all be unrecognized, no drivers will exist etc and so at the very least I will have to do an in-place re installation of Win 7 to get the installed OS to recognize its new environs, and at the worst I will have to re-install everything including programs - exactly what I am trying to skirt. I still don't see how an external drive solves the problem since sooner or later the OS system on the drive has to be cloned or swapped into the new machine where the system will not recognize anything. Michael From: b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 1:43:55 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Swapping Boot Drives Michael Wosnick escribió: With apologies for my lack of understanding, I'm not sure I see where this conversation about external drives is taking me. What is really at issue is whether or not I do a full install (be that on an external, internal, or whatever drive) of all my programs for the sake of a month of the loaner if I am going to have to repeat all of that when the new machine arrives... How does an extremal drive solve this for me? When you install everything you need on an external drive it saves you a lot of time and effort. You won't have to open the loaner computer. You won't have to install all your programs and data on someone else's drive. You won't have to take the time to wipe the drive of the loaner to return it to pristine condition. Everything you use is on a drive you own. When you get your own computer, you can either clone the external drive to the internal or swap them. Either way, you own both and don't have to bother with someone else's drive. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:37 PM, db db...@att.net wrote: Apple would be better off in its own right if they would give a little now and then when someone else has a better design element... For some time now, it has been my opinion that Apple has shifted its gaze toward portable devices designed primarily for entertainment purposes or an entertainment/portable application device masquerading as a phone. I still use and like their computers, but do sense that Apple is looking in other directions these days. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20091214/D9CIPAIO0.html *The Wall Street Journal, citing unnamed sources, reported Sunday that Google plans to sell the phone directly to consumers, instead of through a wireless carrier. Such a move would mean Google would go head-to-head with Apple's iPhone and Research in Motion's Blackberry, as well as current makers of Android phones.* This statement seems to contradict itself...in one instance it says the device will be sold to directly to consumers and then they say it will go head to head against iPhone etc...well iPhones and BB's aren't sold direct so which is it? Engadget has been reporting for weeks at least that the phone is made by HTC, no surprise. But if this phone is truly going to be sold direct, it could be a game changer. This could be finally at last the subsidized google phone we heard about years ago. The current model floating around is GSM but there are reports of a CDMA out there also. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Swapping Boot Drives
On Dec 14, 2009, at 2:41 PM, Michael Wosnick wrote: In essence, my original question was to utilize an external drive of sorts - at least external to the new machine I don't have yet. I was going to use a brand new drive placed temporarily into the loaner and the swap it into the new machine when it arrives. That was exactly my original question. This used to be a common thing to do. These days Windows is designed to prevent this as M$ decided it makes it too easy to evade paying for another copy of Windows. Betty is giving you advice from the perspective of a Mac user. A whole different kettle of fish. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] CNET News.com: Is it game over for Microsoft on consumer front? - CNET News
This email was sent from popoz...@earthlink.net Message from sender: Explains some of the differences between MS and Apple. Is it game over for Microsoft on consumer front? - CNET News URL: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10413869-56.html One analyst says it is time for Microsoft to get out of the phone business, saying it is just not in the company's DNA. Is that true for the company's larger consumer effort? CNET: The source for computers and technology http://www.cnet.com * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Swapping Boot Drives
Too true, Apple has to sue the pants off those making copies of their hardware, MS has to make it as hard as possible to copy their software...in the end of course it's just harder on the customer. On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 8:11 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 14, 2009, at 2:41 PM, Michael Wosnick wrote: In essence, my original question was to utilize an external drive of sorts - at least external to the new machine I don't have yet. I was going to use a brand new drive placed temporarily into the loaner and the swap it into the new machine when it arrives. That was exactly my original question. This used to be a common thing to do. These days Windows is designed to prevent this as M$ decided it makes it too easy to evade paying for another copy of Windows. Betty is giving you advice from the perspective of a Mac user. A whole different kettle of fish. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] ATT Takes the Blame, Even for the iPhone's Faults
I'm not a customer either, I wouldn't pay my cellular carrier for the privilege of mapping how bad their network is. It's not about politician or technologist, it's about being a shill or apologist. I'm neither...I'm a customer, I pay for a service. I'm glad the network I'm on doesn't have such horrid service that they needed to build such an app for their smartphones. Maybe if they put money into network improvements instead of lawyers to whine about verizon spreading the truth, their customers might be happier. The app is an excellent service. It makes a huge difference when the network provider is proactive in expanding its network to please its customers. I reported a dead zone where I need to use my phone to T-Mobile a few months ago. I returned to that location last week and I now have reception on my phone. They listened to my request and acted to improve service. The ATT app can do the same for its customers. I saw the Verizon TV ad again today, comparing networks. Then I remembered how I can roam with T-Mobile on ATT's network and other GSM networks across the country and around the world. There isn't any network that Verizon customers can use for roaming except, well, Verizon. The roaming on other networks expands ATT's coverage to pretty much the same as Verizon's in the US and more in the rest of the world. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] ATT Takes the Blame, Even for the iPhone's Faults
That is not totally true. I recently saw a chart that showed the standard for all countries in the world that support Cell phones. CDMA is used outside the US, but it is not as popular as GSM. CDMA is also used by Sprint. When I was in Canada I could use my Verizon phone in a number of places. It was only when I got into the Northern area of Ontario (Which is semi remote) that I had problems with reception. If I travel there again (which is likely as my in-laws live there.) I will buy a prepay ATT or T-mobile phone so I can have reception. By the way prepay is a pretty big player up in Canada over and against contract. Stewart At 11:11 PM 12/14/2009, you wrote: I saw the Verizon TV ad again today, comparing networks. Then I remembered how I can roam with T-Mobile on ATT's network and other GSM networks across the country and around the world. There isn't any network that Verizon customers can use for roaming except, well, Verizon. The roaming on other networks expands ATT's coverage to pretty much the same as Verizon's in the US and more in the rest of the world. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] ATT Takes the Blame, Even for the iPhone's Faults
I'm not sure 'proactive' has the same meaning to you as it does me. It surely doesn't have any meaning to ATT. So when you are out of range of Tmobile, you pay nothing extra and get 3g connectivity? Tmobile and ATT together have a smaller 3g footprint than Verizon or Sprint on their own. Take a look at the carriers own coverage maps..Tmobile and ATT are the worst for coverage, they aren't even in the same ballpark. Now all this is relative, when I had Tmobile I *knew* they had HORRID coverage but I liked the phone I got and I liked their customer service. I also wasn't traveling much so the incredibly bad coverage didn't matter.GSM phones can be used overseas and can be handy if you travel a lot. I'll stick to the discussion regarding coverage in the country where I live the bulk of my time. You argue in one case for a tech that can travel the world and get connectivity, but on the other hand the two worst for coverage here. So I suppose the question is, which do you care about? On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:11 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: I'm not a customer either, I wouldn't pay my cellular carrier for the privilege of mapping how bad their network is. It's not about politician or technologist, it's about being a shill or apologist. I'm neither...I'm a customer, I pay for a service. I'm glad the network I'm on doesn't have such horrid service that they needed to build such an app for their smartphones. Maybe if they put money into network improvements instead of lawyers to whine about verizon spreading the truth, their customers might be happier. The app is an excellent service. It makes a huge difference when the network provider is proactive in expanding its network to please its customers. I reported a dead zone where I need to use my phone to T-Mobile a few months ago. I returned to that location last week and I now have reception on my phone. They listened to my request and acted to improve service. The ATT app can do the same for its customers. I saw the Verizon TV ad again today, comparing networks. Then I remembered how I can roam with T-Mobile on ATT's network and other GSM networks across the country and around the world. There isn't any network that Verizon customers can use for roaming except, well, Verizon. The roaming on other networks expands ATT's coverage to pretty much the same as Verizon's in the US and more in the rest of the world. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
The magic and unattached Apple menu make is so much more difficult to train the uninitiated ... and it causes a number of complications re: what's running?, RAM depletion and file backup. The Macintosh menus are attached to the top of the display, not to the windows. Apple had its menus at the top of the screen long before Microsoft tried to copy the Mac GUI, but changed it a bit so nobody would notice they were copying, uh, innovating. Makes more sense to have only ONE menu for each program, instead of menus for each open window. Microsoft must have come up with that in their Department of Redundancy Department. Takes up less room to have top of screen menus rather than ones inside each window. More screen 'real estate' is better. It's also easier to keep programs open even though windows are closed so you don't have to relaunch over and over. When you really need to know what's running, there's a tiny white arrow next to each running program in the Dock [my Dock is to the left and hidden except when I need it]. If you're a micromanager, you can keep the Activity Monitor open to watch how the visible and invisible processes are using CPU, real memory, shared memory, private memory and which ports are in use, including the Activity Monitor's use of CPU and memory. The Dock came from NeXTSTEP, not as a catch-up to anything. The main difference from NeXT to Mac is that Mac OS X allows programs, documents and folders in the Dock instead of simply programs. The operating systems are different. Get used to it. Vive la différence! Learn the idiosyncracies of multiple systems, appreciate and use them. Mac users have done it for years. So have a lot of Windows users. Your turn. Switch from program to program - Command + Tab [borrowed from Windows!]. Switch from window to window in a program - Command + tilde ~ [or accent grave `]. Easy. Maybe you could use David Pogue's Missing Manuals. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
And the newer Mac add-ons to expose the desktop, find the current window, find all the windows, switch windows, more easlily find your program executable are laboriously clumsy and cluged work-arounds that could just be solved by fixing the instruments that were originally designed to perform those functions ... the Finder, dock, and menus Automobiles used to have starting systems, shift levers, headlight dimmer, horns ... you name it ... all working differently and located all over the interior of the car with each manufacturer. But guess what?... they all work all most identically now and they are all located in the same relative place. By and large better utility won out probably because in the case of autos ... form REALLY followed function ... it was dangerous to continue otherwise... Apple would be better off in its own right if they would give a little now and then when someone else has a better design element... Find the Mac desktop: Command + H hides the open programs and reveals the desktop, or if in the Finder, Option + Command + H hides everything else. Guess what? Not all automobiles are almost identical now! Driven a MINI lately? First time I drove in a blinding rain storm, I had to pull over to look at the manual to figure out how to turn on the windshield wipers. Had to get out the manual to figure out how to open the bonnet to find the battery, then needed the manual to reset the tire pressure control monitor. Needed the manual to display the speed on the steering wheel display instead of the huge superfluous speedometer. The many thousands of other settings are unlike in any car I've driven before, and I've driven a lot of different cars. I still love my MINI. It's so much fun! Have you ever driven a Citroën or Skoda? They're different too, not cludged or clumsy--different. Computer OSs are different too. How about the annoyance when switching cell phones? I switch from Nokia to Samsung to Motorola to Sony-Ericsson back to Nokia. Each has a different OS, different menus. Some are better, some worse, depends on what you prefer, and it's the same with computers. None are perfect. You use what works for you. Have you tried to learn a foreign language lately? Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] google phone
Sorry, forgot to change the subject on this one... On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 7:17 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20091214/D9CIPAIO0.html *The Wall Street Journal, citing unnamed sources, reported Sunday that Google plans to sell the phone directly to consumers, instead of through a wireless carrier. Such a move would mean Google would go head-to-head with Apple's iPhone and Research in Motion's Blackberry, as well as current makers of Android phones.* This statement seems to contradict itself...in one instance it says the device will be sold to directly to consumers and then they say it will go head to head against iPhone etc...well iPhones and BB's aren't sold direct so which is it? Engadget has been reporting for weeks at least that the phone is made by HTC, no surprise. But if this phone is truly going to be sold direct, it could be a game changer. This could be finally at last the subsidized google phone we heard about years ago. The current model floating around is GSM but there are reports of a CDMA out there also. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Swapping Boot Drives
In essence, my original question was to utilize an external drive of sorts - at least external to the new machine I don't have yet. I was going to use a brand new drive placed temporarily into the loaner and the swap it into the new machine when it arrives. That was exactly my original question. This used to be a common thing to do. These days Windows is designed to prevent this as M$ decided it makes it too easy to evade paying for another copy of Windows. Betty is giving you advice from the perspective of a Mac user. A whole different kettle of fish. You're right. I mostly run Windows inside an emulator which I sometimes use on a flash drive. Much better than on our PCs. So in other words, Windows still sucks? Can't you connect a drive externally, install Windows and programs and use that? Even if you have to reinstall everything on the new PC after returning the loaner, doesn't this work better as an alternative to opening a loaner? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
Is it possible that we could just buy this phone from Google online, switch the SIM chip from our current carrier and cellular plan into it and off we go. Since I have no contract in force ... it expired ... that would mean I would never need another contract ... unless I was to change carriers etc. Could this be the first break in the US cellular monopoly and eventually lead us to a cellular situation as in a lot of the rest of the world, where you buy a phone and a chip and off you go... buying more minutes as necessary? db mike wrote: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20091214/D9CIPAIO0.html *The Wall Street Journal, citing unnamed sources, reported Sunday that Google plans to sell the phone directly to consumers, instead of through a wireless carrier. Such a move would mean Google would go head-to-head with Apple's iPhone and Research in Motion's Blackberry, as well as current makers of Android phones.* This statement seems to contradict itself...in one instance it says the device will be sold to directly to consumers and then they say it will go head to head against iPhone etc...well iPhones and BB's aren't sold direct so which is it? Engadget has been reporting for weeks at least that the phone is made by HTC, no surprise. But if this phone is truly going to be sold direct, it could be a game changer. This could be finally at last the subsidized google phone we heard about years ago. The current model floating around is GSM but there are reports of a CDMA out there also. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Swapping Boot Drives
The problem is, even if you do install it externally, I doubt you have FW or ESATA on that machine, USB isn't made to be used to run an OS on an external drive. On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:08 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: In essence, my original question was to utilize an external drive of sorts - at least external to the new machine I don't have yet. I was going to use a brand new drive placed temporarily into the loaner and the swap it into the new machine when it arrives. That was exactly my original question. This used to be a common thing to do. These days Windows is designed to prevent this as M$ decided it makes it too easy to evade paying for another copy of Windows. Betty is giving you advice from the perspective of a Mac user. A whole different kettle of fish. You're right. I mostly run Windows inside an emulator which I sometimes use on a flash drive. Much better than on our PCs. So in other words, Windows still sucks? Can't you connect a drive externally, install Windows and programs and use that? Even if you have to reinstall everything on the new PC after returning the loaner, doesn't this work better as an alternative to opening a loaner? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
