Re: [CGUYS] Time for a Nation Defense Internet Infrastructure Project?

2010-02-26 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 11:54 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Who would attack and how? What software and hardware would be shut down by a cyber attack anyway? There have been reports of exploits in the power grid. I happen to be very fond of electricity, The phone system has been

Re: [CGUYS] Time for a Nation Defense Internet Infrastructure Project?

2010-02-26 Thread Fred Holmes
Isn't that just handing victory to the attacker? Isn't the attacker trying to limit Internet access so that commerce and banking shut down? I can't do my banking because my Internet access is denied during an emergency. Retailers lose all their business because their potential customers

Re: [CGUYS] Time for a Nation Defense Internet Infrastructure Project?

2010-02-26 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 7:07 AM, Fred Holmes f...@his.com wrote: Isn't that just handing victory to the attacker?  Isn't the attacker trying to limit Internet access so that commerce and banking shut down?  I can't do my banking because my Internet access is denied during an emergency.  

Re: [CGUYS] Help - computer seems infected, going crazy!

2010-02-26 Thread David D Odell
This d...@#$d virus or trojan has been around for a while. This thing disguises itself as a Windows Firewall and even puts a pseudo Microsoft shield in the notification area. It takes over completely and won't let system restore run properly. I have had to do complete Windows reinstalls on

Re: [CGUYS] Help - computer seems infected, going crazy!

2010-02-26 Thread Ranbo
*Very strange, so far, since turning computer on today (has now been on for about 10 minutes) having none of the problems from yesterday. How does this virus or trojan get around antivirus software and firewalls? Do you usually get it by visiting certain sites? if I need this, will

Re: [CGUYS] Help - computer seems infected, going crazy!

2010-02-26 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
It does it by getting you to click what you think are clean sites. Some sites get taken over by a Trojan very easily. Then when you think you are telling them no thanks on a pop up it catches you. They are very subtle and sneaky. This is a extortion attempt usually wanting you to buy their

Re: [CGUYS] Help - computer seems infected, going crazy!

2010-02-26 Thread mike
Yes, this is one of the nastiest ones out there. They come by many names and take a crowbar and blowtorch to remove. This is one of the reasons you keep good backups. XP wasn't as easy, but now running 7 I can reinstall a new OS in about 20 minutes...have most my programs I use installed in

Re: [CGUYS] Help - computer seems infected, going crazy!

2010-02-26 Thread Ranbo
*Why would it suddenly seem to be working okay? Should I assume that the virus is still lurking and try to get rid of it? Can they go dormant and reappear later?? So far, so good today, for entire morning. Randall * On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 10:51 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, this is

Re: [CGUYS] Help - computer seems infected, going crazy!

2010-02-26 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Different things can trigger them, you are not clean until you know you are clean. Throw the book at it and see what reaction you get. Stewart At 10:33 AM 2/26/2010, you wrote: *Why would it suddenly seem to be working okay? Should I assume that the virus is still lurking and try to get

Re: [CGUYS] Time for a Nation Defense Internet Infrastructure Project?

2010-02-26 Thread Fred Holmes
At 08:12 AM 2/26/2010, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, just yesterday I was informed by the credit card fraud squad that my card had been compromised and that a bunch of stuff related to accessories for BMW automobiles had been purchased with my card number. That could only have happened through

[CGUYS] Thunmb Vs. DVD [Was: Help - computer seems infected, going crazy!]

2010-02-26 Thread Reid Katan
Quoting mike xha...@gmail.com: needed...I keep my bookmarks synced with a firefox extension. I've refined my install process to using a USB thumb drive also..much faster than dvd. Really? I thought USB was comparatively slow. Do you copy program installs from DVD to USB sticks?

Re: [CGUYS] Thunmb Vs. DVD [Was: Help - computer seems infected, going crazy!]

2010-02-26 Thread mike
I have all my installers on an internal one tb drive. I keep nothing on my os drive for very long, everything I keep is moved to another internal drive and mirrored with an external. On Feb 26, 2010 12:07 PM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote: Quoting mike xha...@gmail.com: needed...I keep my

Re: [CGUYS] Help - computer seems infected, going crazy!

2010-02-26 Thread Tony B
Yes, this is why I usually recommend formatting and installing the OS clean once any compromise takes place. I mean, who wants that nagging feeling that everything you type is being sent to east europeans? Of course, as has already been pointed out, this presupposes that you have a good backup

Re: [CGUYS] Time for a Nation Defense Internet Infrastructure Project?

2010-02-26 Thread tjpa
On Feb 26, 2010, at 8:12 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, just yesterday I was informed by the credit card fraud squad that my card had been compromised and that a bunch of stuff related to accessories for BMW automobiles had been purchased with my card number. That could only have happened

Re: [CGUYS] Help - computer seems infected, going crazy!

2010-02-26 Thread rleesimon
I usta hafta reinstall xp a few times a year ...now after dumping that silly Norton and starting to use Avast FREE version I have no longer had any trouble for a long time... -Original Message- From: David D Odell [mailto:waffenf...@atlanticbb.net] Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 7:14 AM

Re: [CGUYS] Time for a Nation Defense Internet Infrastructure Project?

2010-02-26 Thread tjpa
On Feb 25, 2010, at 11:54 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: Why shut it down? Ramping up is better. Can you really shut down everything without something drastic and stupid like an EMP? And that wouldn't shut down those who are secure and off grid. There are too many short cuts and back doors. Expand

Re: [CGUYS] Help - computer seems infected, going crazy!

2010-02-26 Thread tjpa
On Feb 26, 2010, at 9:41 AM, Ranbo wrote: if I need this, will reinstalling Windows take care of this problem? Is that easy to do? Maybe now I can launch Bitdefender. The problem with reinstalling Windows is that you probably do not have all the drivers you need and when you track down

Re: [CGUYS] Help - computer seems infected, going crazy!

2010-02-26 Thread tjpa
On Feb 25, 2010, at 9:25 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: It is very possible you will need to download the programs you need, on another computer, and run them in safe mode to clean it up. Definitely, an advanced virus will be watching and blocking your attempts to attack it. It has

Re: [CGUYS] Thunmb Vs. DVD [Was: Help - computer seems infected, going crazy!]

2010-02-26 Thread Judy Cosler
I have no idea what this means, Tom! On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 3:15 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: I have all my installers on an internal one tb drive. I keep nothing on my os drive for very long, everything I keep is moved to another internal drive and mirrored with an external. On Feb

Re: [CGUYS] Thumb Vs. DVD [Was: Help - computer seems infected, going crazy!]

2010-02-26 Thread Reid Katan
Quoting Judy Cosler jfcos...@gmail.com: I have no idea what this means, Tom! Not completely sure what you're asking here, but I'll try a little something. What Mike is saying, is that after he downloads programs from the Internet, he doesn't keep them on his system drive. He has a second