Re: [CGUYS] Netscape Composer SeaMonkey Composer

2010-02-28 Thread Kathy Bilton
Marcio said: I want to go back to create web pages. I used to work with Netscape Composer. Is there a place where I can find it? If not, which program I should use? I have WS_FS Pro. ANd if, after you've thought of the other proposed options, you'd still like to get something similar to the

[CGUYS] Apple Co(r)p...

2010-02-28 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
Why doesn't Apple Corp. develop a means of either preventing or making it difficult for users of their computers to be able to access or use overtly sexual material or applications? To mention that their sales figures would drop is a no-brainer, so what about other reasons? What about the

Re: [CGUYS] Apple Co(r)p...

2010-02-28 Thread mike
I keep wondering about this myself...who in Apple is doing this and why? Are they going to start banning certain sites on the phone also? On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 12:17 PM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: Why doesn't Apple Corp. develop a means of either preventing or making it

Re: [CGUYS] Apple Co(r)p...

2010-02-28 Thread tjpa
On Feb 28, 2010, at 2:17 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Why doesn't Apple Corp. develop a means of either preventing or making it difficult for users of their computers to be able to access or use overtly sexual material or applications? I don't know why Apple is getting ensnared in this.

Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability

2010-02-28 Thread Jeff Miles
I believe he must have meant to type deregulation and his fingers missed the de keys. Anyone with eyes can see that regulation stems corruption. After all, isn't that why we have laws? You and I are regulated from breaking into our neighbors home and steeling their new flat screen tv.

Re: [CGUYS] Apple Co(r)p...

2010-02-28 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 6:43 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: I don't know why Apple is getting ensnared in this. One word: INNOVATION. Another one: FEAR. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules,

Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability

2010-02-28 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net wrote: Maybe it's just me, but I believe regulation to be a rather good thing. Yeah, if you are the regulator! Consider the banks after they nearly brought down the economy. Any mention of tighter regulation in the wake of that

Re: [CGUYS] Apple Co(r)p...

2010-02-28 Thread mike
Apple isn't ensnared, they are doing this themselves. Apple is bar far the most controlling tech company out there, controlling their customers, controlling themselves.. On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 5:55 PM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 6:43 PM, tjpa

Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability

2010-02-28 Thread mike
It's frightening to think there are some out there who believe all regulation is inherently good. On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 6:03 PM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net wrote: Maybe it's just me, but I believe regulation

Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability

2010-02-28 Thread tjpa
On Feb 28, 2010, at 8:10 PM, mike wrote: It's frightening to think there are some out there who believe all regulation is inherently good. No body wrote that. There are certainly a percent or two of regulations that are not beneficial. Those will, of course, be the only regulations that

Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability

2010-02-28 Thread tjpa
On Feb 18, 2010, at 2:16 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: I believe he must have meant to type deregulation and his fingers missed the de keys. Anyone with eyes can see that regulation stems corruption You are obviously not wearing those ideologically colored glasses.

Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability

2010-02-28 Thread mike
Of course...like the patriot act that neocon Obama just extended. Damn neocons! On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 6:34 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Feb 28, 2010, at 8:10 PM, mike wrote: It's frightening to think there are some out there who believe all regulation is inherently good. No body

Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability

2010-02-28 Thread mike
Give him some of yours, you have to have several laying about. On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 6:35 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Feb 18, 2010, at 2:16 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: I believe he must have meant to type deregulation and his fingers missed the de keys. Anyone with eyes can see that

Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability

2010-02-28 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
OK I come from this on both sides. Regulation is neither a good thing or a bad thing depending on how you view human nature. If you view human nature as basically good and fell that you can trust your fellow man to make decisions for your good. Than regulation is a bad thing. However if

[CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]

2010-02-28 Thread Reid Katan
Quoting Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net: OK I come from this on both sides. As a theologian I view mankind through both eyes. He is basically good, but there is a corrupt part of him that will screw you whenever he gets a chance. Sorry Stewart, I know you're in the business of

Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]

2010-02-28 Thread mike
Except sometimes the regulation is used to do the screwing. On Feb 28, 2010 8:12 PM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote: Quoting Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net: OK I come from this on both sides. As a theologian I view mankind through both eyes. He is basically good, but there is

Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]

2010-02-28 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Lutheran Theology is unique on this one. We believe in Simul Justus Et Picatur Luther's oft quoted Latin phrase means Sinner yet at the same time Saint! So yes they are contradictory, but also reality. Stewart At 09:07 PM 2/28/2010, you wrote: Quoting Rev. Stewart Marshall

Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability

2010-02-28 Thread Jeff Miles
Yes, and just with most of our laws, the public and our representatives are the regulators. Making the banks self regulating was the dumbest move in the world. What's that old saying, putting the fox in charge of the hen house? Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia

Re: [CGUYS] Apple Co(r)p...

2010-02-28 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 8:08 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Apple isn't ensnared, they are doing this themselves.  Apple is bar far the most controlling tech company out there, controlling their customers, controlling themselves.. I think that Apple has taken this approach with the iPhone

Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability

2010-02-28 Thread Jeff Miles
And also frightening to think there are some out there who are against all regulation. Isn't there a word for that, oh yeah, anarchy? Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Feb 28, 2010, at 5:10 PM, mike

Re: [CGUYS] Apple Co(r)p...

2010-02-28 Thread mike
It's far easier for a kid to get a hold of an iphone/ipod touch and use safari to look at chicks in bikinis than they can get the password to download such apps. It makes no sense...so therefore it probably is the lawyers... On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 9:08 PM, phartz...@gmail.com

Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability

2010-02-28 Thread Jeff Miles
Yep, damn neocons. I'm not letting Obama off the hook on this, but repealing something isn't as easy and cut and dried as it sounds. Easy to talk about, but damn hard to do. Just look at the don't ask, don't tell crap. You'd think they'd just change the rule and allow competent people

Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability

2010-02-28 Thread mike
Far fewer of those types, they don't last very long. On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net wrote: And also frightening to think there are some out there who are against all regulation. Isn't there a word for that, oh yeah, anarchy? Jeff Miles

Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability

2010-02-28 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
It is not just the mind but also the culture. Stewart At 10:28 PM 2/28/2010, you wrote: Yep, damn neocons. I'm not letting Obama off the hook on this, but repealing something isn't as easy and cut and dried as it sounds. Easy to talk about, but damn hard to do. Just look at the don't

Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]

2010-02-28 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Moderation in all things is good. Stewart At 09:22 PM 2/28/2010, you wrote: Except sometimes the regulation is used to do the screwing. On Feb 28, 2010 8:12 PM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote: Quoting Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net: OK I come from this on both sides. As a

Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability

2010-02-28 Thread mike
He could have say..not signed it. Forced the R's to try and sell the patriot act yet again. There were plenty of D's who wanted to add some protections for the citizens in there...waitaminute isn't that what the constitution is for? This is the kind of issue those crazy tea party people would

Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]

2010-02-28 Thread Robert Michael Abrams
At 07:20 PM 2/28/2010, Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: Lutheran Theology is unique on this one. We believe in Simul Justus Et Picatur Luther's oft quoted Latin phrase means Sinner yet at the same time Saint! So yes they are contradictory, but also reality. If it

Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]

2010-02-28 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Bob I have no need to convince anyone of what I believe, but when asked I will explain it. Also note that I believe it to be truth, but am aware that what I believe is truth may not be what others believe. The reality I stated is that people are dual natured. I cant remember the old axiom

Re: [CGUYS] Apple Co(r)p...

2010-02-28 Thread t.piwowar
On Feb 28, 2010, at 11:08 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: I think that Apple has taken this approach with the iPhone because their legal department told them to do it. At the moment, I cannot think of another reason for this step to have been taken For a business the two most destructive

Re: [CGUYS] Apple Co(r)p...

2010-02-28 Thread b_s-wilk
On Feb 28, 2010, at 2:17 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Why doesn't Apple Corp. develop a means of either preventing or making it difficult for users of their computers to be able to access or use overtly sexual material or applications? Because Apple has customers around the world who aren't

Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability

2010-02-28 Thread t.piwowar
On Feb 28, 2010, at 9:02 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: So regulation is both a good thing and a bad thing depending on how it is done. Lest we forget, the Ten Commandments is regulation. * ** List info, subscription

Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability

2010-02-28 Thread Jeff Miles
No he couldn't. And not have survived the criticism of anything else he wants to get done. Soft on communism comes to mind. It would have been echoed through the media had he repealed the Patriot Act. He's nothing but a socialist soft on terrorism. Terrorism and socialism seem

Re: [CGUYS] Apple Co(r)p...

2010-02-28 Thread b_s-wilk
Apple isn't ensnared, they are doing this themselves. Apple is bar far the most controlling tech company out there, controlling their customers, controlling themselves.. That's silly. Ridiculous. Apple doesn't control their customers. They provide products that people like, and if there's

Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability

2010-02-28 Thread mike
And the Constitution is a specific lack of regulation. Madison didn't even want a bill of rights for fear it would weaken the individual by enumerating specific rights, thus perhaps conversely weakening the power of citizens by the absence of other rights. On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 11:07 PM,

Re: [CGUYS] Evil people

2010-02-28 Thread b_s-wilk
Examples please. Except sometimes the regulation is used to do the screwing. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at

Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]

2010-02-28 Thread Jeff Miles
You and my uncle would really get along, at least on that idea. He believes the whole health care debate is a bunch of garbage due to problems we've created ourselves with our own health and care. And he's not far off on that. If the majority of us didn't need health care at every cut

Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls...]

2010-02-28 Thread b_s-wilk
OK I come from this on both sides. As a theologian I view mankind through both eyes. He is basically good, but there is a corrupt part of him that will screw you whenever he gets a chance. Sorry Stewart, I know you're in the business of thinking people are good, but these two statements are

Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]

2010-02-28 Thread mike
Sounds like one of the arguments the CEO of Sprouts? was making...make people *pay* for their health care and they might not go for every sniffle...they might take care of themselves better. If we all had grocery store insurance we'd be buying steak every day of the week instead of ramen noodles

Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability

2010-02-28 Thread Jeff Miles
One and the same. At least for the most part. We all have an inner mindset and a public mindset. From what I've seen, our inner mindset is a lot more moderate then our public one. This whole Apple debate is a perfect example. Apple was once known as the creative and apart from the crowd

Re: [CGUYS] Evil people

2010-02-28 Thread mike
How about the health care bill? Unions got a sweetheart deal to be free from the higher taxes of the more expensive health plans thus screwing would be smaller businesses wanting to give their employees good plans. In general, do you really think all the lobbying by multinational/multibillion

Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]

2010-02-28 Thread Jeff Miles
Bob, I think there's a word for that also. Isn't that called fanaticism? The way I see it, if you're absolutely sure you're right, you may or may not be, but you're unlikely to be deterred from your faith and unquestioning lack of thought. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my

Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability

2010-02-28 Thread Jeff Miles
Wow, two people can read something completely differently. And who gives a rats ass what Madison wanted? We have a bill of rights, thank us. Or at least our relatives. We probably wouldn't be having this discussion, or anything even closely related if we didn't have them. Like those

Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls...]

2010-02-28 Thread Jeff Miles
Well said. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Feb 28, 2010, at 10:22 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: OK I come from this on both sides. As a theologian I view mankind through both eyes. He is basically good,

Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability

2010-02-28 Thread mike
I wasn't arguing no regulation, I never said that...but more regulation does not in and of itself mean better. Stalinist Russia was regulated to literal death of it's citizens...no regulation is anarchy as was said. There has to be a middle. On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 11:51 PM, Jeff Miles

Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls...]

2010-02-28 Thread mike
True, we agree..but when you have lobbyists for those big corporations writing the very regulations isn't that a problem? Which representative was it that laughed when a reporter asked if he had read the bill he was voting for? On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 11:22 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote:

Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls...]

2010-02-28 Thread mike
Just remembered, it was John Conyers. On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 12:07 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: True, we agree..but when you have lobbyists for those big corporations writing the very regulations isn't that a problem? Which representative was it that laughed when a reporter asked if he

Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]

2010-02-28 Thread Jeff Miles
Haven't heard that argument or of Sprouts? But paying for our own health care? What a concept! But in reality, due to the insurance industry, that's become an impossibility with the exception of dealing with a few scrapes a bruises or just ignoring any health concerns in hope they'll go

Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability

2010-02-28 Thread Jeff Miles
I think you put to much faith on that soft middle. After all, it got the last Bush elected 1 1/2 times. And look at the nut he turned out to be. Iraq, with Cheney blowing in his ear being one of his nuttier, aids vaccinations to Africa and NASA being his few lucid moments. Jeff Miles

Re: [CGUYS] Evil people

2010-02-28 Thread Jeff Miles
My thinking on this is a bit different from most. I've only worked for a large company twice in my life. Neither offered healthcare without my paying $100+/month. And that was at the age of less then 30 both times. With these two exceptions I've never worked for a company with more then

Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability

2010-02-28 Thread mike
It also got Obama elected. That soft middle keeps thinking they are getting someone sane and they keep getting the rug pulled from them. On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 12:23 AM, Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net wrote: I think you put to much faith on that soft middle. After all, it got the last

Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]

2010-02-28 Thread mike
Sorry, Wholefoods, not Sprouts. http://www2.wholefoodsmarket.com/blogs/jmackey/2009/08/14/health-care-reform-full-article/ On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 12:14 AM, Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net wrote: Haven't heard that argument or of Sprouts? But paying for our own health care? What a

Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability

2010-02-28 Thread Jeff Miles
Yeah, It's called the United States of America, and the ilk. Whoa, that will piss off a lot of people out side the USA. Actually I'm all for arguing against certain regulation. Try remodeling your house and having a city inspector come by. You'll be all against regulation. I