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On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 11:15 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:

 IMAGINE that for $33 a month you could buy Internet service twice as fast
 as what you get from Verizon or Comcast, bundled with digital
 high-definition television, unlimited long distance and international
 calling to 70 countries and wireless Internet connectivity for your laptop
 or smartphone throughout much of the country.
 That’s what you can buy in France, and similar speeds and prices are
 available in other countries with competitive markets. But not in the United
 States. Prices here are three to five times that much for the fastest speeds
 — the highest prices among advanced economies. 

  Well, what would you expect to pay in the nation that describes and
prides itself as being the wealthiest in the world and the best at
doing everything?  How much would an addict pay to get that hit?
Whatever amount that is, that is what they'll be made to pay.

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Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal

  It appears as though the reason that the Lower Merion School
District failed to notify anyone about their willingness to employ
surveillance through the use of the webcams on the computers that were
provided to students has become clear.  Here is a statement from the
secondary LMSD network technician, Mike Perbix, about how they used
this surveillance: If you're controlling someone's machine, you don't
want them to know what you're doing.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/homepage/88748377.html


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Re: [CGUYS] Apple security and Charlie Miller


On Mar 19, 2010, at 11:37 AM, mike wrote:
Charlie Miller, famous for taking down macs at the pwn2own contests  
says he
is going to reveal no fewer than 20 zero day exploits in OS X at the  
next

CanSecWest.


WFBs take it as an article of faith that all computer operating  
systems must be as defective as Windows. They don't have any concrete  
evidence, but they go on and on just the same. Ask them to list cases  
of malware in the wild and they just evade the question. They tell us  
that there will be malware, insisting that this will be the year it  
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Re: [CGUYS] Apple security and Charlie Miller

Yer right, guys who worked for the NSA doing computer security are probably
know nothing hacks.

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 4:56 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote:

 On Mar 19, 2010, at 11:37 AM, mike wrote:

 Charlie Miller, famous for taking down macs at the pwn2own contests says
 he
 is going to reveal no fewer than 20 zero day exploits in OS X at the next
 CanSecWest.


 WFBs take it as an article of faith that all computer operating systems
 must be as defective as Windows. They don't have any concrete evidence, but
 they go on and on just the same. Ask them to list cases of malware in the
 wild and they just evade the question. They tell us that there will be
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Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal

Between that statement and the one from school admin about knowing who took
the machine before they turned on the remote software, it looks like they
are going to fry themselves.

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  It appears as though the reason that the Lower Merion School
 District failed to notify anyone about their willingness to employ
 surveillance through the use of the webcams on the computers that were
 provided to students has become clear.  Here is a statement from the
 secondary LMSD network technician, Mike Perbix, about how they used
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Re: [CGUYS] Apple security and Charlie Miller


On Mar 21, 2010, at 10:43 AM, mike wrote:
Yer right, guys who worked for the NSA doing computer security are  
probably

know nothing hacks.


You bet I'm right. And there you go with an evasive answer.


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Re: [CGUYS] Apple security and Charlie Miller

There was no question in your last email...kinda hard to evade an answer
when there is no question.


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 On Mar 21, 2010, at 10:43 AM, mike wrote:

 Yer right, guys who worked for the NSA doing computer security are
 probably
 know nothing hacks.


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[CGUYS] LCD HDTV

We may be on the cusp of a breakthrough ladies and gentlemen.  I may be in
the market for an HDTV.

Any thoughts will be considered...who to stay away from, brand and or
seller..who to go to first.  We are looking for something LCD in type, not
LED...42 or perhaps 46 inches.  We are budget conscious...read CHEAP.  I've
heard things like...vizio is a solid inexpensive brand and others say stay
far away.  I'm neither an audiophile or videophile, I'm just looking for
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Re: [CGUYS] LCD HDTV

http://www.amazon.com/Philips-42PFL3704D-F7-42-Inch-1080p/dp/B001LP6LPG

Something like that appears to be a good deal...under six bills at a local
dealer.

On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 10:12 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote:

 We may be on the cusp of a breakthrough ladies and gentlemen.  I may be in
 the market for an HDTV.

 Any thoughts will be considered...who to stay away from, brand and or
 seller..who to go to first.  We are looking for something LCD in type, not
 LED...42 or perhaps 46 inches.  We are budget conscious...read CHEAP.  I've
 heard things like...vizio is a solid inexpensive brand and others say stay
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Re: [CGUYS] LCD HDTV

2010-03-21 Thread David D Odell

Vizio is indeed a good brand- I also like Sony, Samsung and Panasonic, but
there are many good TV brands out there.  The main things to consider are :
1080p (yes, 720p is less expensive, but there will be MUCH more 1080p
content available over the next year or so) / at least 120mhz ( higher is
better;  60mhz, while less expensive, has trouble following fast action and
leads to blurring (trails).  Also consider contrast ratio; again, the
higher, the better (for better black and shadow detail.

Look at the display models and ask questions-  See if the sales person will
show you a demo DVD with fast action.

You may also want to look at the number of inputs if you have, or are
planning on adding, other devices such as DVD player (blu-ray?) gaming
system , etc.  Ask questions!

Prices are fairly close at all major retailers, most will match or beat
competitor's prices.

I would stick with a retailer, such as Best Buy (only an example), whose
employees are actually trained and are not on commission.


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Re: [CGUYS] Apple security and Charlie Miller


On Mar 21, 2010, at 11:59 AM, mike wrote:
There was no question in your last email...kinda hard to evade an  
answer

when there is no question.


I understand. Faith cannot be questioned. We just accept. All computer  
operating must be as buggy as Windows. It can not be any other way.



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Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal

On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 10:49 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote:

 Between that statement and the one from school admin about knowing who took
 the machine before they turned on the remote software, it looks like they
 are going to fry themselves.

  To determine if the student who was issued the computer, but who
took it home when he was not supposed to, actually had possession of
it, the camera did not have to be activated along with the capturing
of images of whatever he was doing on the computer.  All they needed
to do was obtain his IP address.

  The school now is claiming that they saw and read some of his e-mail
as well.  The school claims that they read an e-mail addressed to the
student that appeared to be threatening to him, which in turn caused
them to want to capture images of the student to see if he was in any
imminent danger.  The claim of seeing a threatening e-mail, along with
images of the student eating something that they assumed to be drugs,
caused administrators to think the student was involved in selling
drugs.  However, upon talking to the student as well as his parents
about this back in November of 2009, nothing about the threatening
e-mail was ever mentioned.  Additionally, it appears as though the 15
year old student was confronted by the Vice Principal about his
alleged drug use before the parents were told if it.  That would be a
very, very bad move to have been made.

  Seems like a lot of overreaching by school administrators.  Just
conjecturing a little bit, I wonder if the rush  to assume that the
student was taking drugs as well as possibly selling them had anything
to do with the fact that the student, Blake Robbins, was not of the
same high ranking socio-economic class as the bulk of the student
body?

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Re: [CGUYS] LCD HDTV

2010-03-21 Thread gerald slawecki

why you want an lcd instead of an led.  the samsung(the only one i follow) led 
has about a 10x superior brightness or contrast ratio. 


At 01:12 PM 3/21/2010, you wrote:
We may be on the cusp of a breakthrough ladies and gentlemen.  I may be in
the market for an HDTV.

Any thoughts will be considered...who to stay away from, brand and or
seller..who to go to first.  We are looking for something LCD in type, not
LED...42 or perhaps 46 inches.  We are budget conscious...read CHEAP.  I've
heard things like...vizio is a solid inexpensive brand and others say stay
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Re: [CGUYS] Apple security and Charlie Miller

I guess I didn't need to be in on this thread at all..you seem to hit the
right conclusion all talking to yourself.

On Mar 21, 2010 11:51 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote:

On Mar 21, 2010, at 11:59 AM, mike wrote:   There was no question in your
last email...kinda hard ...
I understand. Faith cannot be questioned. We just accept. All computer
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Re: [CGUYS] LCD HDTV

On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 1:12 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote:

 We may be on the cusp of a breakthrough ladies and gentlemen.  I may be in
 the market for an HDTV.

 Any thoughts will be considered...who to stay away from, brand and or
 seller..who to go to first.  We are looking for something LCD in type, not
 LED...42 or perhaps 46 inches.  We are budget conscious...read CHEAP.  I've
 heard things like...vizio is a solid inexpensive brand and others say stay
 far away.  I'm neither an audiophile or videophile, I'm just looking for
 something solid and reliable.

  I bought a Toshiba 1080p 40 LCD TV about 6 months ago and am very
pleased with it.  The Toshiba's ranked very high in on-line ratings
and reviews that I read.  It has a very sensitive digital tuner as
well, more sensitive than most other brands, and that was a necessity
for me since I get all my TV by way of over-the-air transmission.

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Re: [CGUYS] LCD HDTV

We have two Philips HDTVs -- one 37 LCD [1080p] and one 42 plasma 
[1080i], both 4 years old and are excellent. We bought them before 
prices crashed, so we had to look hard for a decent price. The huge TVs, 
bigger than 46 are good if you have no life because they dominate the 
room and are distracting, IMHO.


Everything is cheaper now. As I've said before, I'd avoid Sony--they're 
beautiful, and they'll break [your heart]. Samsung TVs are excellent. 
They used to call Vizio TVs Buzzio but they've improved significantly, 
so I hear. One thing to consider, no matter whose label is on the TV, 
there are only a few flat panel manufacturers. Philips is one, Samsung 
is another, there are a few others. Also there's no such thing as a 
consumer LED TV on the market yet. The ones that advertise LED are LCD 
panels with LED backlight, which reduces power consumption, a good thing.


Both Philips TVs have HDMI, composite, component, S-video, USB, stereo 
speakers, etc.


Buy locally, even from a big box store. Costco is OK; Sears has good 
sales; Beast Buy sometimes has good sales; Fry's too; avoid Walmart. 
DON'T BUY ONLINE OR HAVE IT SHIPPED!! That is unless you can be home to 
accept it AND have the delivery truck wait while you open and test your 
TV. When the TV arrives broken it's yours if you didn't examine it on 
arrival. Search for horror stories about delivery nightmares, especially 
with Amazon.


You'll be mesmerized. Buy two.



Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:28:36 -0700

http://www.amazon.com/Philips-42PFL3704D-F7-42-Inch-1080p/dp/B001LP6LPG

Something like that appears to be a good deal...under six bills at a local
dealer.

On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 10:12 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote:


We may be on the cusp of a breakthrough ladies and gentlemen.  I may be in
the market for an HDTV.

Any thoughts will be considered...who to stay away from, brand and or
seller..who to go to first.  We are looking for something LCD in type, not
LED...42 or perhaps 46 inches.  We are budget conscious...read CHEAP.  I've
heard things like...vizio is a solid inexpensive brand and others say stay
far away.  I'm neither an audiophile or videophile, I'm just looking for
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Re: [CGUYS] LCD HDTV

2010-03-21 Thread Robert Carroll

I bought a Sony 50-inch 1080p LCD HDTV about 6 months ago.  The only 
thing that I regret is that I should have bought a larger screen.


By positioning myself around in my viewing room, I guess that a viewing 
distance of about 8 feet is best for my 50-inch screen.  Much farther 
from that and the high resolution is not easily seen.  Thus, dividing 
the screen size by 6 gives a good viewing distance.


In principle, an LCD screen with an LED backlight will outperform the 
fluorescent backlight and the set will last longer.  Practically at this 
time, I don't know which is better.



mike wrote:

We may be on the cusp of a breakthrough ladies and gentlemen.  I may be in
the market for an HDTV.

Any thoughts will be considered...who to stay away from, brand and or
seller..who to go to first.  We are looking for something LCD in type, not
LED...42 or perhaps 46 inches.  We are budget conscious...read CHEAP.  I've
heard things like...vizio is a solid inexpensive brand and others say stay
far away.  I'm neither an audiophile or videophile, I'm just looking for
something solid and reliable.

  



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Re: [CGUYS] LCD HDTV

Walmart seems to have killer prices...avoid them because of service?

On Mar 21, 2010 1:12 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote:

We have two Philips HDTVs -- one 37 LCD [1080p] and one 42 plasma [1080i],
both 4 years old and are excellent. We bought them before prices crashed, so
we had to look hard for a decent price. The huge TVs, bigger than 46 are
good if you have no life because they dominate the room and are distracting,
IMHO.

Everything is cheaper now. As I've said before, I'd avoid Sony--they're
beautiful, and they'll break [your heart]. Samsung TVs are excellent. They
used to call Vizio TVs Buzzio but they've improved significantly, so I
hear. One thing to consider, no matter whose label is on the TV, there are
only a few flat panel manufacturers. Philips is one, Samsung is another,
there are a few others. Also there's no such thing as a consumer LED TV on
the market yet. The ones that advertise LED are LCD panels with LED
backlight, which reduces power consumption, a good thing.

Both Philips TVs have HDMI, composite, component, S-video, USB, stereo
speakers, etc.

Buy locally, even from a big box store. Costco is OK; Sears has good sales;
Beast Buy sometimes has good sales; Fry's too; avoid Walmart. DON'T BUY
ONLINE OR HAVE IT SHIPPED!! That is unless you can be home to accept it AND
have the delivery truck wait while you open and test your TV. When the TV
arrives broken it's yours if you didn't examine it on arrival. Search for
horror stories about delivery nightmares, especially with Amazon.

You'll be mesmerized. Buy two.


 Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:28:36 -0700

  
 http://www.amazon.com/Philips-42PFL3704D-F7-42-Inch-1080p/dp/B001LP6LPG 
  Something like that...

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Re: [CGUYS] LCD HDTV

Cost is much higher also.

On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 12:14 PM, gerald slawecki ger...@slawecki.comwrote:

 why you want an lcd instead of an led.  the samsung(the only one i follow)
 led has about a 10x superior brightness or contrast ratio.


 At 01:12 PM 3/21/2010, you wrote:
 We may be on the cusp of a breakthrough ladies and gentlemen.  I may be in
 the market for an HDTV.
 
 Any thoughts will be considered...who to stay away from, brand and or
 seller..who to go to first.  We are looking for something LCD in type, not
 LED...42 or perhaps 46 inches.  We are budget conscious...read CHEAP.
  I've
 heard things like...vizio is a solid inexpensive brand and others say stay
 far away.  I'm neither an audiophile or videophile, I'm just looking for
 something solid and reliable.
 
 
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On Mar 21, 2010, at 4:06 PM, b_s-wilk wrote:
Buy locally, even from a big box store. Costco is OK; Sears has good  
sales; Beast Buy sometimes has good sales; Fry's too; avoid Walmart.  
DON'T BUY ONLINE OR HAVE IT SHIPPED!! That is unless you can be home  
to accept it AND have the delivery truck wait while you open and  
test your TV. When the TV arrives broken it's yours if you didn't  
examine it on arrival. Search for horror stories about delivery  
nightmares, especially with Amazon.


I checked prices online and locally. The online prices (including  
shipping) were significantly lower than the prices I could get  
locally. I bought from an online retailer that I knew offered good  
service (BH in NYC). It took 3 days for the box to arrive. The box  
was a bit beat up, but the contents were well packed so no problems. I  
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Re: [CGUYS] LCD HDTV

People make the same argument for extended warranties, completely a waste of
money for people who have bought them...unless they needed one.  I'm not
advocating either one, extended warranties or buying online, but for those
who have been burned it's hard to change their mind.

On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 2:37 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote:

 On Mar 21, 2010, at 4:06 PM, b_s-wilk wrote:

 Buy locally, even from a big box store. Costco is OK; Sears has good
 sales; Beast Buy sometimes has good sales; Fry's too; avoid Walmart. DON'T
 BUY ONLINE OR HAVE IT SHIPPED!! That is unless you can be home to accept it
 AND have the delivery truck wait while you open and test your TV. When the
 TV arrives broken it's yours if you didn't examine it on arrival. Search for
 horror stories about delivery nightmares, especially with Amazon.


 I checked prices online and locally. The online prices (including shipping)
 were significantly lower than the prices I could get locally. I bought from
 an online retailer that I knew offered good service (BH in NYC). It took 3
 days for the box to arrive. The box was a bit beat up, but the contents were
 well packed so no problems. I can't see spending $100s extra for absolutely
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Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

2010-03-21 Thread rleesimon

Cellular internet in Belgium is around $90/mo and only around major cities
do you get 3g ...the land line internet is around $60/mo with basic TV
(around 50 channels) and is DSL speed ...not that fast ...it is transited
over the phone lines ...now they are saying it is bumped to 4down1up for
only $2 more a month ...we'll see...

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Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 11:15 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:

 IMAGINE that for $33 a month you could buy Internet service twice as fast
 as what you get from Verizon or Comcast, bundled with digital
 high-definition television, unlimited long distance and international
 calling to 70 countries and wireless Internet connectivity for your laptop
 or smartphone throughout much of the country.
 That's what you can buy in France, and similar speeds and prices are
 available in other countries with competitive markets. But not in the
United
 States. Prices here are three to five times that much for the fastest
speeds
 - the highest prices among advanced economies. 

  Well, what would you expect to pay in the nation that describes and
prides itself as being the wealthiest in the world and the best at
doing everything?  How much would an addict pay to get that hit?
Whatever amount that is, that is what they'll be made to pay.

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Re: [CGUYS] LCD HDTV

2010-03-21 Thread gerald slawecki

i bought a 55 samsung led from buy.com a couple of years ago.  buy.com was a 
front for samsung in CA.  the set came with some form of a 12 month return 
policy.  the set arrived by fedex 2 days after purchase(they flew it to dc).  
the saving was about $1000.  i see no such saving presently, so buy locally.

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Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

2010-03-21 Thread Fred Holmes

At 03:36 PM 3/15/2010, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
Anyone want to talk about New Orleans and the aftermath of Katrina.  (Problems 
essentially caused by fouled up Corps of Engineers projects.)

And substantially all of those foul-ups were caused by lack of Congressional 
appropriations to fund the maintenance and improvement of the levees.  The 
congresscritters wanted to spend the funds elsewhere, where they would engender 
better political payback. 


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Re: [CGUYS] LCD HDTV


On Mar 21, 2010, at 7:45 PM, betty wrote:
You'll see why you might want to spend more if the TV arrives  
broken, left on your doorstep, and you either can't return it or  
have to jump through hoops to get an RMA. Yes there are good online  
retailers and delivery services, but you take a ig chance. The  
hundreds you save could be lost with a bad delivery.


If, if, if. If you don't ever get out of bed, nothing bad will happen  
to you. Oh wait, most people die in bed. So forget that one too.



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Re: [CGUYS] LCD HDTV


On Mar 21, 2010, at 5:53 PM, mike wrote:
People make the same argument for extended warranties, completely a  
waste of
money for people who have bought them...unless they needed one.  I'm  
not
advocating either one, extended warranties or buying online, but for  
those

who have been burned it's hard to change their mind.


Well at least you are consistent. Consistently giving out bad advice.


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[CGUYS] Cybercrooks take shine to Apple lineup

2010-03-21 Thread tjp

The claim is that the iPad will soon be pwned. Time for WFBs to put up  
or shut up. Let's see what happens.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/19/AR2010031905613.html

The iPad is expected to be a target for credit-card thieves and  
online scammers of all types.



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Re: [CGUYS] Cybercrooks take shine to Apple lineup


The claim is that the iPad will soon be pwned. Time for WFBs to put up or shut 
up. Let's see what happens.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/19/AR2010031905613.html

The iPad is expected to be a target for credit-card thieves and online scammers of 
all types.


The article doesn't say that the iPad will be cracked. It says that 
stolen credit cards will be used to purchase/steal them for resale in 
countries where Apple products are more expensive.


The PICNIC model is their weapon. Crooks depend on users falling for 
their phishing emails. Yesterday, I got at least a dozen emails with 
attachments telling me that the attachment contained my new Facebook 
password. I got at least as many for PayPal. Somebody must be making the 
phishing crooks very happy.


Few people notice the tiny purchases that they didn't make when they 
look at their credit card bills. Lots don't even look at the bills. Too 
many have automatic payment--that's begging for trouble!



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Re: [CGUYS] Apple security and Charlie Miller

This looks more like he took advantage of a badly written browser, not 
the OS--and it's been fixed since then. That was over two years ago. 
Nothing happened. No serious exploits of OS X since then. I think there 
were a few problems with Windows, though.


What's your point? Mike, you use Macs. Has your Mac been cracked?


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Re: [CGUYS] LCD HDTV

And what advice did I give?  I didn't say to get one or not get one...so no
advice was given big guy.

On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 5:19 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote:

 On Mar 21, 2010, at 5:53 PM, mike wrote:

 People make the same argument for extended warranties, completely a waste
 of
 money for people who have bought them...unless they needed one.  I'm not
 advocating either one, extended warranties or buying online, but for those
 who have been burned it's hard to change their mind.


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Re: [CGUYS] Cybercrooks take shine to Apple lineup

Put up or shut up what?  We already know what happens when macs are gone
after.

On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 5:24 PM, tjp t...@tjpa.com wrote:

 The claim is that the iPad will soon be pwned. Time for WFBs to put up or
 shut up. Let's see what happens.


 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/19/AR2010031905613.html

 The iPad is expected to be a target for credit-card thieves and online
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Re: [CGUYS] Apple security and Charlie Miller

*He also goes on to reemphasize something he's been screaming for years:
Mac OS X is like living in a farmhouse in the country with no locks, and
Windows is living in a house with bars on the windows in the bad part of
town. In other words, Apple users are safer (due to the lack of work that
goes into hacking them), but less
securehttp://www.engadget.com/2007/04/22/safari-browser-exploit-produced-within-9-hours-in-hacking-compet/.
So, is this a weird way of applying for a security job in Cupertino, or
what?

*That's the point...it's about being intellectually honest. Macs aren't
safer because they have magic code, they are safer for the same reason my
house is safer than a bank for holding money. I don't lock my doors half
the time I leave the house, but to follow Tom or your logic it seems, my
house is more secure than a bank vault because the bank has been robbed, my
house never has. My current car has never been stolen, a friend had his
stolen a week ago...that makes mine 100% safer than his right? Same car
too..but mine is magically safer cause mine was never stolen.

Yes I use macs and I have one, though rarely used.

On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 6:11 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote:

This looks more like he took advantage of a badly written browser, not the
OS--and it's been fixed since then. That was over two years ago. Nothing
happened. No serious exploits of OS X since then. I think there were a few
problems with Windows, though.

What's your point? Mike, you use Macs. Has your Mac been cracked?

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Re: [CGUYS] Cybercrooks take shine to Apple lineup

2010-03-21 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)

I read the article and came away with a different take.  The spammers
want to make people think they might win an iPad (or other Apple
product) so much they will go to a web site and enter their credit card
information.

Thank you, 
Mark Snyder 

-Original Message-
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To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Subject: [CGUYS] Cybercrooks take shine to Apple lineup

The claim is that the iPad will soon be pwned. Time for WFBs to put up  
or shut up. Let's see what happens.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/19/AR201003
1905613.html

The iPad is expected to be a target for credit-card thieves and  
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Re: [CGUYS] Cybercrooks take shine to Apple lineup

Could be, it's been done with ipods etc.

On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) 
mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote:

 I read the article and came away with a different take.  The spammers
 want to make people think they might win an iPad (or other Apple
 product) so much they will go to a web site and enter their credit card
 information.

 Thank you,
 Mark Snyder

 -Original Message-
 From: Computer Guys Discussion List
 [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of tjp
 Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 8:25 PM
 To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
 Subject: [CGUYS] Cybercrooks take shine to Apple lineup

 The claim is that the iPad will soon be pwned. Time for WFBs to put up
 or shut up. Let's see what happens.

 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/19/AR201003
 1905613.htmlhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/19/AR201003%0A1905613.html

 The iPad is expected to be a target for credit-card thieves and
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Re: [CGUYS] Cybercrooks take shine to Apple lineup

Yer right Mark...think Tom was too caught up and typed before he read again.

*Antivirus software company McAfee is already warning consumers not to fall
for e-mails or ads promising a free or reduced-price iPad if they enter an
address . . . and a credit card number. *

Obviously it's what you said it was.  But those WFB's whomever they are
better put up or shut up!  uh...yeah.

On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) 
mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote:

 I read the article and came away with a different take.  The spammers
 want to make people think they might win an iPad (or other Apple
 product) so much they will go to a web site and enter their credit card
 information.

 Thank you,
 Mark Snyder

 -Original Message-
 From: Computer Guys Discussion List
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 Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 8:25 PM
 To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
 Subject: [CGUYS] Cybercrooks take shine to Apple lineup

 The claim is that the iPad will soon be pwned. Time for WFBs to put up
 or shut up. Let's see what happens.

 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/19/AR201003
 1905613.htmlhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/19/AR201003%0A1905613.html

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Re: [CGUYS] LCD HDTV

My friend, Kurt, has one of those Samsung TVs. It's LCD with LED 
backlight. It's beautiful. It's ridiculously thin. I think it's 46. I 
want one.


He bought it online and made sure that he was home for delivery. First 
TV had broken screen; second TV was also damaged; third is fine. He's 
lucky that he could arrange his job so that he could be home. You may 
not be so fortunate when you're not home to receive and inspect a delivery.




Cost is much higher also.

On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 12:14 PM, gerald slawecki ger...@slawecki.comwrote:


 why you want an lcd instead of an led.  the samsung(the only one i follow)
 led has about a 10x superior brightness or contrast ratio.




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Re: [CGUYS] LCD HDTV

2010-03-21 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall


Who is he ordering from?

What idiot company is delivering?

Granted I have picked up all my flat screen TV's.

Stewart


At 09:45 PM 3/21/2010, you wrote:
My friend, Kurt, has one of those Samsung TVs. It's LCD with LED 
backlight. It's beautiful. It's ridiculously thin. I think it's 46. 
I want one.


He bought it online and made sure that he was home for delivery. 
First TV had broken screen; second TV was also damaged; third is 
fine. He's lucky that he could arrange his job so that he could be 
home. You may not be so fortunate when you're not home to receive 
and inspect a delivery.




Cost is much higher also.
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 12:14 PM, gerald slawecki ger...@slawecki.comwrote:

 why you want an lcd instead of an led.  the samsung(the only 
one i follow)

 led has about a 10x superior brightness or contrast ratio.




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Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net
Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org
Ozark, AL  SL 82


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