Re: [CGUYS] shared bandwidth

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

That is exalt how it works.  Multi threading.

Stewart


At 09:05 PM 3/25/2008, you wrote:

IMS Bittorent achieves this sort of speed by having several machines
seeding different portions of a file simultaneously.

On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 8:46 PM, mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Who says BT is throttled to upload?  I've seen BT get 10mbit on 
one download

>  when max up is only 1.5mbit for the connection.
>
>  Mike
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>  On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Tony B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>  > I bet you didn't know bit torrent is *already* throttled to their
>  > upload speed? You can blame your slow service on a lot of things, but
>  > neighbors running bit torrent isn't one of them.
>  >
>  > OTOH, legal downloads like the site mentioned earlier, and Netflix,
>  > etc., can support much faster downloads.
>  >
>  >
>  > On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 3:03 PM, db <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > > By social methods.. word of mouth.  This is confirmed by 
comparing when

>  > >  our problems started and when they got bit torrenting in earnest.
>  > >  We've been trying to convince them to thottle their clients...
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Re: [CGUYS] shared bandwidth

[John Duncan Yoyo]

IMS Bittorent achieves this sort of speed by having several machines
seeding different portions of a file simultaneously.

On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 8:46 PM, mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Who says BT is throttled to upload?  I've seen BT get 10mbit on one download
>  when max up is only 1.5mbit for the connection.
>
>  Mike
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>  On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Tony B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>  > I bet you didn't know bit torrent is *already* throttled to their
>  > upload speed? You can blame your slow service on a lot of things, but
>  > neighbors running bit torrent isn't one of them.
>  >
>  > OTOH, legal downloads like the site mentioned earlier, and Netflix,
>  > etc., can support much faster downloads.
>  >
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>  > On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 3:03 PM, db <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > > By social methods.. word of mouth.  This is confirmed by comparing when
>  > >  our problems started and when they got bit torrenting in earnest.
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Re: [CGUYS] safari3.1 update

[David K Watson]

According to user comments on VersionTracker, adblock 3.2
works just fine with Safari 3.1.

I don't know myself, as I use Google's adsubtract css stylesheet,
(formerly Good Vibrations)



It does a great job clearing out ads without messing up
anything else.  Works in Firefox, too.

That other stuff may be features for some, but they feel
like clutter to me.

David


Subject: Re: safari3.1 update

Del.icio.us, tinymenu, no script, googlebar lite (i like the  
highlight
feature)adblock and probably two or three times a week  
chatzilla when I

don't feel like opening mIRC.


To repeat: "Have you been to pimpmysafari.com?"

Starting with the first item on your list. Have you tried
Delicious2Safari or Safarilicious?

PithHelmet does many of the things NoScript does.

Etc. etc.



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Re: [CGUYS] Why not the US? [was: classic movie downloads]

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

Tom if you are willing to live under their laws that is OK by me.

By the way all the personal intrusion laws you rail against are very 
European in nature!!!


Stewart


At 05:31 PM 3/25/2008, you wrote:

>The density of people in France is much higher than the density of our
>population.

Americans are denser. One would have to be pretty dense to keep voting
for the same corrupt pols as they give away more and more of the country
to the utlta-rich. The French did get it right fixing a similar problem a
couple of centuries ago with the assistance of Dr. Guillotin.

>What I have offered to me is less than what is
>offered 30 miles down the road.  But that is because of population density.

If that were true, people living in the most populous parts of the
country would be paying lower rates and getting better service. Obviously
they are not.


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Re: [CGUYS] shared bandwidth

[mike]

Who says BT is throttled to upload?  I've seen BT get 10mbit on one download
when max up is only 1.5mbit for the connection.

Mike



On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Tony B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I bet you didn't know bit torrent is *already* throttled to their
> upload speed? You can blame your slow service on a lot of things, but
> neighbors running bit torrent isn't one of them.
>
> OTOH, legal downloads like the site mentioned earlier, and Netflix,
> etc., can support much faster downloads.
>
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> On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 3:03 PM, db <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > By social methods.. word of mouth.  This is confirmed by comparing when
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> >  We've been trying to convince them to thottle their clients...
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Re: [CGUYS] shared bandwidth

[Tony B]

I bet you didn't know bit torrent is *already* throttled to their
upload speed? You can blame your slow service on a lot of things, but
neighbors running bit torrent isn't one of them.

OTOH, legal downloads like the site mentioned earlier, and Netflix,
etc., can support much faster downloads.


On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 3:03 PM, db <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> By social methods.. word of mouth.  This is confirmed by comparing when
>  our problems started and when they got bit torrenting in earnest.
>  We've been trying to convince them to thottle their clients...


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Re: [CGUYS] Locked out by my password...

[Tom Piwowar]

>The Full Story (my apologies for not coming-clean, initially): The
>computer is a two year old MacBook Pro, and I am new to Apple
>products.  My friend configured it to dual boot into Windows XP and
>Leopard, using Boot Camp, and now I am locked out of the XP boot.
>Does this change the recommendation to use a password reset utility?

Big difference. The method we have been discussing assumes that the 
passwords are in a particular location. I don't know that this would be 
the same for a Boot Camp Mac. I don't know anything about Boot Camp as I 
consider it a crime against nature.

If Boot Camp has its XP stuff in a partition dedicated to XP then I would 
expect the standard XP method would work. You would just have to point 
the script at the XP partition.

Otherwise, with a Mac you are already able to boot the computer into a 
Unix shell: just hold down the Command and "s" keys while the Mac starts 
up. Then you would just have to find the right part of XP to skewer. That 
is probably written down somewhere and a manual version of what those 
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Re: [CGUYS] safari3.1 update

[mike]

Good advice, I hadn't received your pimpmysafari.com msg so this isn't
really a repeat just a simple pete.

The del.icio.us tools work kinda backwards...I use the extension that lets
you tag bookmarks for del.icio.us without having to bookmark them locally.
Not a biggie type of deal.  Like I said I like the way safari renders text,
that alone may be a reason to switch or use it more often if I'm reading a
lot online.

Mike

On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 1:00 PM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >Del.icio.us, tinymenu, no script, googlebar lite (i like the highlight
> >feature)adblock and probably two or three times a week chatzilla when
> I
> >don't feel like opening mIRC.
>
> To repeat: "Have you been to pimpmysafari.com?"
>
> Starting with the first item on your list. Have you tried
> Delicious2Safari or Safarilicious?
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Re: [CGUYS] Why not the US? [was: classic movie downloads]

[Eric S. Sande]

Eric? Why so much for so little?


Any way I answer that is bound to reveal me for the greedy capitalist
that I am.

The short answer is labor costs, regulatory requirements, and network
maintenance overhead.  If I can drive down any or all of those costs I 
can increase profits and lower prices.


Since I also want to increase bandwidth, I've got to go with the best
technology available.  Trouble is, on the scale involved, it's going to
take years and $30 billion minimum.  And I've got to negotiate separate
agreements with every regulatory body I pass, Federal, State, and
Local.

FiOS, Fiber to the Premise, is nothing short of a ground-up network
replacement project for about one-third of the USA, population wise.

It's going to take a few minutes.



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Re: [CGUYS] XP advice needed -

[Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A.]

Might BE TRUE- but the backup, networking features are useful.  My
differential used to be 22 bucks- WELL worth it.  We only deal with Vista
now, so I don't know XP pricing.

Eschew Obfuscation

This is a reply from: 
Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. 
  Financial, Managerial, and Technical Services
for the Professional, Non-Profit, and the Entrepreneurial Organization

  703.548.1343 voice 
  703.783.1340 fax 
  

>From thinking to doing, from sales to profits, from tax to investments- we
are YOUR adjuvancy


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From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Tom Piwowar
Sent: 03/25/2008 3:09 PM
To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] XP advice needed -

>I would generally go with Pro, because there are few more features, but I
no
>longer know the price differential.

Note that paying for "features" you don't need is not a good use of 
resources.


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Re: [CGUYS] Why not the US? [was: classic movie downloads]

[Tom Piwowar]

>The density of people in France is much higher than the density of our
>population.

Americans are denser. One would have to be pretty dense to keep voting 
for the same corrupt pols as they give away more and more of the country 
to the utlta-rich. The French did get it right fixing a similar problem a 
couple of centuries ago with the assistance of Dr. Guillotin. 

>What I have offered to me is less than what is 
>offered 30 miles down the road.  But that is because of population density.

If that were true, people living in the most populous parts of the 
country would be paying lower rates and getting better service. Obviously 
they are not.


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Re: [CGUYS] Locked out by my password...

[Ralph]

The Full Story (my apologies for not coming-clean, initially): The
computer is a two year old MacBook Pro, and I am new to Apple
products.  My friend configured it to dual boot into Windows XP and
Leopard, using Boot Camp, and now I am locked out of the XP boot.
Does this change the recommendation to use a password reset utility?

My reason for buying it was that it was going to be my first laptop.
I figured, as a side benefit, I would get to put my toe into the Mac
waters...

Ralph

On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 9:02 PM, Ralph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I recently bought a computer from a friend, who delivered it with an
>  account already set up for me.  Before dinner, I enabled the
>  requirement for logins.  After dinner, I discovered that the password
>  he gave me doesn't work.
>
>  I have a phone call in to him to confirm the password, but I'm
>  wondering - in a worse case scenario, what are my options?
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Re: [CGUYS] Why not the US? [was: classic movie downloads]

[db]

I agree.   The same thing is going on with the US economy.  It's been 
apparent to me for some time that what the US is doing isn't working for 
the country as a whole but government won't change direction because of 
the big business lobby and its  focus on self interest/ short term 
corporate interests.


What is good for big business in the short term isn't necessarily good 
for the country or even business in the long term.  


IMHO

db

Ralph wrote:

 Again Europe has a much higher population density than the US.  Not
 fully comparable.  (Plus their regulations and rules are different)



That's the point: our regulations and rules should be more like the
rest of the world's.

I think it's that congress, the administration, and big business all
work in tandem.  The government is loath to enact regulations that
would bring prices down because big business "share" their revenue
with politicians.


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Re: [CGUYS] Why not the US? [was: classic movie downloads]

[Ralph]

>  Again Europe has a much higher population density than the US.  Not
>  fully comparable.  (Plus their regulations and rules are different)
>
That's the point: our regulations and rules should be more like the
rest of the world's.

I think it's that congress, the administration, and big business all
work in tandem.  The government is loath to enact regulations that
would bring prices down because big business "share" their revenue
with politicians.


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Re: [CGUYS] Laser printer

[Ralph]

I realize you have moved on and bought another printer, but some might
be interested in the deal Costco is offering on the Brother MFC
8660DN.  It offers duplexing and networkability.  I just saw it in
their Sterling Virginia store for $285 - it was formerly $400.  Their
website still offers it for $450 and Staples website is selling it for
$600 (see http://tinyurl.com/3xzcwe)

Ralph


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Re: [CGUYS] Why not the US? [was: classic movie downloads]

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

Neither one is making money as it is.

Both of them had exclusive agreements with some content which made 
choosing impossible,.  (I for one have held off until this time)


Secondly they are competing against free radio as it is.

Why pay for radio when you can get it for free.  Plus with the advent 
of portable MP3 players in many newer cars means less over the air 
content being used.


I personally use my MP3 player on long trips and do not need to pay 
for a radio service.


Again Europe has a much higher population density than the US.  Not 
fully comparable.  (Plus their regulations and rules are different)


Stewart




At 03:48 PM 3/25/2008, you wrote:

In today's news we see the DOJ declaring that merging the only two
satellite broadcasters into one would not be anticompetitive. I guess
their logic is that a duopoly has been so anticompetitive that a monopoly
could not be much worse?

Yet one more example of why the USA is so far behind technologically.


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Re: [CGUYS] laser printer

[Tom Piwowar]

>Many thanks for the help... I was reassured about buying a Brother  
>product (reviews online were quite mixed) and went with a  
>reconditioned Brother HL-5250DN for $100 + 5 tax, free shipping from  
>Newegg.

Don't forget to report back to us about how it works out.


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Re: [CGUYS] Why not the US? [was: classic movie downloads]

[Tom Piwowar]

>Why is the United States _so_far_behind_ in speeds, choices, prices??? 
>Time Warner is now regressing to metered service in Texas, just like the 
>old-time metered dialup. American consumers don't know enough to demand 
>better/more/cheaper service? Or there's just not enough competition, 
>instead of anti-competition.

In today's news we see the DOJ declaring that merging the only two 
satellite broadcasters into one would not be anticompetitive. I guess 
their logic is that a duopoly has been so anticompetitive that a monopoly 
could not be much worse?

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Re: [CGUYS] Why not the US? [was: classic movie downloads]

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

The biggest difference between France (Any 
European country) and the US in comparisons, is plums versus watermelons.


The density of people in France is much higher 
than the density of our population.


When you get away from the coasts, the density is much less.

This handicaps any company wanting to roll out product.

What I have offered to me is less than what is 
offered 30 miles down the road.  But that is because of population density.


Go out west and it is even worse.

Have you ever looked at a Cell Phone company and 
coverage in the west?  Few and far between, as is their population.


One of the old complaints was what we used to pay 
for telephone before the break up of Ma 
Bell.  But what was not commented was that Joe 
Outlaw in Po Dunk Wyoming pretty much paid the 
same as Joe City in New York, New York, because 
the phone company had to even the cost out over all the customers.


MCI/Sprint etc. started by cherry picking high 
density population centers to start their 
networks where they could guarantee high capacity and high usage.


The other caveat is what the companies have to 
pay for right of ways.  In Europe most of the 
backbone was built by the government and was 
taken by Eminent domain.  Does not often happen here.


A number of years ago, the power company came 
around and bought more right of way, to expand 
the power line.  They paid us to string the line on an existing power pole.


In Canada, they still have separate poles for 
electric and telephone in many neighborhoods.


Stewart


At 03:08 PM 3/25/2008, you wrote:
There's plenty of pie to go around but the 
broadband Internet providers are greedy--and 
they're lying so they can gouge their customers. 
Mostly they're afraid of becoming irrelevant, or 
obsolete when a new upstart gives us better deals at half the price.


In Europe and Asia the speeds keep getting 
faster as prices get lower. Neuf [in France] 
offers DSL + telephone + TV for 29.90 Euros per 
month. In our crashed dollars that's around $45, 
but where it's offered, it's equivalent to 
$30/mo here. At either price it's better than 
the pathetic triple-play deals for $100/mo here--overpriced by more than 50%!


Offer from Neuf includes a free wireless modem, 
unlimited 20Mbps broadband, unlimited worldwide 
calling to EU, Canada, US, Australia, Japan, 
Korea, China, Chile, Argentina, 
http://offres.neuf.fr/adsl/adsl/adsl-telephone.html, 
and 75 HD plus 150 standard def TV channels. For 
the same €29.90/mo you could get fiber-optic 
broadband at 50Mbps along with phone and TV. 
Mobile phone service starts around €15/mo. Many 
also include inexpensive WiFi cell phones in their choices.


More similar offers in other countries. 26Mbps 
broadband is €25.90 in Germany, or €30 including 
phone through KabelDeutschland, etc.


Why is the United States _so_far_behind_ in 
speeds, choices, prices??? Time Warner is now 
regressing to metered service in Texas, just 
like the old-time metered dialup. American 
consumers don't know enough to demand 
better/more/cheaper service? Or there's just not 
enough competition, instead of anti-competition.


Verizon service here is pretty good, but very 
expensive, except in comparison to local cable. 
Eric? Why so much for so little?


Betty


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Re: [CGUYS] laser printer

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

Newegg is good.

Stewart


At 03:17 PM 3/25/2008, you wrote:

Many thanks for the help... I was reassured about buying a Brother
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Re: [CGUYS] classic movie downloads

[mike]

So you are angry that they are using what they are paying for?  Be angry at
the right person, your cable provider.  If you want to be angry at them for
pirating that's fine too, but for just using their connnection I'm not sure
I could care.

How fast are you paying for?  How fast are you getting?  I pay for 1.5 and
get 1 constantly and that's on DSL.  I'd not assume you'd be better off
without cable.

Also point of fact, if they were using BT to download things I doubt it
would be just at certain times of day, BT is meant to be run all the time.
I'm curious how you 'identified the problem' ?

Mike

On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 10:42 AM, db <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> In my case,  there isn't always enough pie to go around.
>
> In the last 6 months,  my cablemodem connection that I have had for
> years, now gets drug down at certain times of day or night to pokey
> speeds by a bunch of local 20 somethings who live nearby and who
> download a lot of pirated movies.  We've identified the problem but
> there is nothing we can do about it but pay more to switch ourselves to
> DSL and abandon cablemodem to them I guess.
>
> At first, I was outraged when I read Comcast was trickily disrupting the
> bit torrent movie downloading streams  ... now, that I have been
> affected by the movie downloaders I cheer them on.
>
> Not only are the bit torrent movie downloaders pirating and defrauding
> artists/ the moviemakers etc. but they, while being relatively few  in
> numbers, are hogging the majority of our shared bandwidth to do so and
> depriving the many of us of the small amount of bandwidth we use, pay
> for and depend on to do business and other legitimate personal uses.
>
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[CGUYS] laser printer

[Eugene V Martin]

Many thanks for the help... I was reassured about buying a Brother  
product (reviews online were quite mixed) and went with a  
reconditioned Brother HL-5250DN for $100 + 5 tax, free shipping from  
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Re: [CGUYS] safari3.1 update

[Tom Piwowar]

>Del.icio.us, tinymenu, no script, googlebar lite (i like the highlight
>feature)adblock and probably two or three times a week chatzilla when I
>don't feel like opening mIRC.

To repeat: "Have you been to pimpmysafari.com?"

Starting with the first item on your list. Have you tried 
Delicious2Safari or Safarilicious?

PithHelmet does many of the things NoScript does.

Etc. etc.


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[CGUYS] Why not the US? [was: classic movie downloads]

[betty]

There's plenty of pie to go around but the broadband Internet providers 
are greedy--and they're lying so they can gouge their customers. Mostly 
they're afraid of becoming irrelevant, or obsolete when a new upstart 
gives us better deals at half the price.


In Europe and Asia the speeds keep getting faster as prices get lower. 
Neuf [in France] offers DSL + telephone + TV for 29.90 Euros per month. 
In our crashed dollars that's around $45, but where it's offered, it's 
equivalent to $30/mo here. At either price it's better than the pathetic 
triple-play deals for $100/mo here--overpriced by more than 50%!


Offer from Neuf includes a free wireless modem, unlimited 20Mbps 
broadband, unlimited worldwide calling to EU, Canada, US, Australia, 
Japan, Korea, China, Chile, Argentina, 
http://offres.neuf.fr/adsl/adsl/adsl-telephone.html, and 75 HD plus 150 
standard def TV channels. For the same €29.90/mo you could get 
fiber-optic broadband at 50Mbps along with phone and TV. Mobile phone 
service starts around €15/mo. Many also include inexpensive WiFi cell 
phones in their choices.


More similar offers in other countries. 26Mbps broadband is €25.90 in 
Germany, or €30 including phone through KabelDeutschland, etc.


Why is the United States _so_far_behind_ in speeds, choices, prices??? 
Time Warner is now regressing to metered service in Texas, just like the 
old-time metered dialup. American consumers don't know enough to demand 
better/more/cheaper service? Or there's just not enough competition, 
instead of anti-competition.


Verizon service here is pretty good, but very expensive, except in 
comparison to local cable. Eric? Why so much for so little?


Betty


"Eric S. Sande" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escrubió:


If everyone started downloading 4 GB movies, could the current
internet handle the capacity? If not, is this something we really want or
need?



That is why it is estimated that 1/3 of the Internet's bandwidth is used
for such uses.


But not by 1/3 of the users.

Which isn't necessarily bad, but I happen to think that you should get
what you pay for, not what others pay for.

Should I get your pie because you are not eating it at the moment?

If I can't have your uneaten pie, won't a lot of pie go to waste?

Or should I pay you directly for your pie, with a commission to the
baker...






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Re: [CGUYS] shared bandwidth

[db]

By social methods.. word of mouth.  This is confirmed by comparing when 
our problems started and when they got bit torrenting in earnest.   
We've been trying to convince them to thottle their clients...


db

Tony B wrote:

I'm wondering how you've "identified the problem"? Or are you just
blowing smoke?

PS I doubt DSL would help much since all the wires come to a head a
bit upstream anyway.


On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 1:42 PM, db <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

In my case,  there isn't always enough pie to go around.

 In the last 6 months,  my cablemodem connection that I have had for
 years, now gets drug down at certain times of day or night to pokey
 speeds by a bunch of local 20 somethings who live nearby and who
 download a lot of pirated movies.  We've identified the problem but
 there is nothing we can do about it but pay more to switch ourselves to
 DSL and abandon cablemodem to them I guess.




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Re: [CGUYS] XP advice needed -

[Tom Piwowar]

>I would generally go with Pro, because there are few more features, but I no
>longer know the price differential.

Note that paying for "features" you don't need is not a good use of 
resources.


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[CGUYS] shared bandwidth

[Tony B]

I'm wondering how you've "identified the problem"? Or are you just
blowing smoke?

PS I doubt DSL would help much since all the wires come to a head a
bit upstream anyway.


On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 1:42 PM, db <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In my case,  there isn't always enough pie to go around.
>
>  In the last 6 months,  my cablemodem connection that I have had for
>  years, now gets drug down at certain times of day or night to pokey
>  speeds by a bunch of local 20 somethings who live nearby and who
>  download a lot of pirated movies.  We've identified the problem but
>  there is nothing we can do about it but pay more to switch ourselves to
>  DSL and abandon cablemodem to them I guess.


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Re: [CGUYS] classic movie downloads

[db]

In my case,  there isn't always enough pie to go around. 

In the last 6 months,  my cablemodem connection that I have had for 
years, now gets drug down at certain times of day or night to pokey 
speeds by a bunch of local 20 somethings who live nearby and who 
download a lot of pirated movies.  We've identified the problem but 
there is nothing we can do about it but pay more to switch ourselves to 
DSL and abandon cablemodem to them I guess.


At first, I was outraged when I read Comcast was trickily disrupting the 
bit torrent movie downloading streams  ... now, that I have been 
affected by the movie downloaders I cheer them on.   

Not only are the bit torrent movie downloaders pirating and defrauding 
artists/ the moviemakers etc. but they, while being relatively few  in 
numbers, are hogging the majority of our shared bandwidth to do so and 
depriving the many of us of the small amount of bandwidth we use, pay 
for and depend on to do business and other legitimate personal uses.


g...

db

Tom Piwowar wrote:

Should I get your pie because you are not eating it at the moment?



If there is more than enough pie to go around, why not?

Is you pie less tasty because you see somebody eating their pie faster 
than you are?



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Re: [CGUYS] safari3.1 update

[rlsimon]

Sure does ...M$IE7 takes around 2x as long to load a webpage as does
Opera9.50b in my unofficial time test (measured by how long I have to muse I
were in the Cayman Is) ...didn't try Safari3.1 as I started the dld last
night and got bumped during the night, was half done, tried resume in safari
which started it over from the beginning ...drat!!  The end of my safari
with safari for now.

-Original Message-
From: Jordan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: safari3.1 update


If you are on dial-up, a fast browser won't make a difference, eh?

rlsimon wrote:
> Izit faster than Opera (latest full ver 9.25, I use 9.50beta) ??
>
> Also, is the 39mb dld because it has dozens of languages; therefore is 
> there a slipstreamed version of USA inglich only or is there an 
> "update" to lay over ver 3.0.1 ??
>
>   
>   


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Re: [CGUYS] classic movie downloads

[Tom Chambers]

Tom -
  I'm a lurker (do folks still use this term?) . I've been on 
the list for many years . I
ran across this message by accident , and I have to say it's probably 
the most obscure

computer advice I've ever seen . I'm an old guy who dates back to Cobal and
Fortran - this must be in a code I don't understand -
A good laugh,
  Tom

Tom Piwowar wrote:


Should I get your pie because you are not eating it at the moment?
   



If there is more than enough pie to go around, why not?

Is you pie less tasty because you see somebody eating their pie faster 
than you are?



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Re: [CGUYS] XP advice needed -

[Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A.]

Do you mean XP home or XP Pro?
I would generally go with Pro, because there are few more features, but I no
longer know the price differential.

Eschew Obfuscation

This is a reply from: 
Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. 
  Financial, Managerial, and Technical Services
for the Professional, Non-Profit, and the Entrepreneurial Organization

  703.548.1343 voice 
  703.783.1340 fax 
  

>From thinking to doing, from sales to profits, from tax to investments- we
are YOUR adjuvancy

-Original Message-
From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Tom Chambers
Sent: 03/25/2008 11:30 AM
To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Subject: [CGUYS] XP advice needed -

Listmembers -
  I've had to retire two PCs because they both became 
"clogged" and un-useable . By co-
incidence(?) , they are the only machines I've had which ran Win2000.
   They both have one gig chips , lots of ram , and plenty 
of storage . I'd like to have them
wiped and reloaded with XP , which my current machines are running 
successfully . That means
I need to buy XP software , but I'm finding that confusing . I want to 
put XP on two basic
machines to be used at home for  word processing , internet connection , 
and possibly a
wireless network .
Can anyone offer any advice ?
   Many thanks,
   
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 


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Re: [CGUYS] XP advice needed -

[Matthew Taylor]

If your intended use is as you describe, basic WP and internet, not  
gaming, save yourself some cash and put Ubuntu on the systems.



On Mar 25, 2008, at 11:29 AM, Tom Chambers wrote:

Listmembers -
I've had to retire two PCs because they both became  
"clogged" and un-useable . By co-

incidence(?) , they are the only machines I've had which ran Win2000.
 They both have one gig chips , lots of ram , and plenty  
of storage . I'd like to have them
wiped and reloaded with XP , which my current machines are running  
successfully . That means
I need to buy XP software , but I'm finding that confusing . I want  
to put XP on two basic
machines to be used at home for  word processing , internet  
connection , and possibly a

wireless network .
  Can anyone offer any advice ?
 Many thanks,




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Re: [CGUYS] classic movie downloads

[Tom Piwowar]

>Should I get your pie because you are not eating it at the moment?

If there is more than enough pie to go around, why not?

Is you pie less tasty because you see somebody eating their pie faster 
than you are?


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Re: [CGUYS] classic movie downloads

[Tom Piwowar]

>No,  it's a burgeoning problem ... there isn't enough bandwidth to 
>support lots of people downloading movies.  It only works when while 
>there have been fewThat's why Comcast started playing tricks with 
>the bit torrent down-loaders... Comcast didn't expect such a problem when 
>they designed their service contracts and got caught out by it.

Actually there is plenty of capacity and technology is keeping well ahead 
of the growth of traffic. Changing the equipment on the ends of existing 
fiber achieves huge increases in capacity without any changes to the 
existing fiber. 

The cable company problem, is just a cable company problem caused by 
their network topology.

The cable vs DSL/fiber contest is much like the contest between Ethernet 
and Token-Ring networks of 20 years ago. Token-Ring networks connected 
everybody in a common loop (as did early Ethernet and as cable does now). 
With the advent of 10Base-T, Ethernet was able to move to a home-run 
topology. Then the price of switches came down so low that nobody uses a 
regular hub anymore. So a 100 Mbps private connection now costs about $25 
to implement. Not much more for Gigabit and 100 Gigabit is in the works. 
Token-Ring networks could not do that and were discarded. Same will 
happen to cable.


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[CGUYS] XP advice needed -

[Tom Chambers]

Listmembers -
 I've had to retire two PCs because they both became 
"clogged" and un-useable . By co-

incidence(?) , they are the only machines I've had which ran Win2000.
  They both have one gig chips , lots of ram , and plenty 
of storage . I'd like to have them
wiped and reloaded with XP , which my current machines are running 
successfully . That means
I need to buy XP software , but I'm finding that confusing . I want to 
put XP on two basic
machines to be used at home for  word processing , internet connection , 
and possibly a

wireless network .
   Can anyone offer any advice ?
  Many thanks,
  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]




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Re: [CGUYS] classic movie downloads

[db]

No,  it's a burgeoning problem ... there isn't enough bandwidth to 
support lots of people downloading movies.  It only works when while 
there have been few.  

Kind of like the situation with automobiles.  No one imagined autos 
would be anything but great and they were great when there were limited 
numbers ... now everyone has one or more and there are traffic, jams and 
no parking problems and the US can't keep up with its bridge repair...


 That's why Comcast started playing tricks with the bit torrent 
down-loaders.  Comcast didn't expect such a problem when they designed 
their service contracts and got caught out by it.


db




Tom Piwowar wrote:
If everyone started downloading 4 GB movies, could the current 
internet handle the capacity? If not, is this something we really want or 
need?



That is why it is estimated that 1/3 of the Internet's bandwidth is used 
for such uses.



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