Re: [CGUYS] Apple Now #1
Yeah that part about the label is sort of what matters. The other part is that EMI, the label that is DRM free on Apple is also on Amazon...as well as Universal. For quite a bit less. Has Apple got any other support for DRM free songs other then EMI, I haven't heard anything since that announcement? Mike On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Only some of iTunes is DRM. While you were not paying attention Apple > made a major push to eliminate DRM and make it clear to all that DRM is > only used when required by the record label. > > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Updater Mess [Was: Apple Now #1]
At 03:03 PM 04/05/2008 -0400, Tom Piwowar wrote >If apple wants to communicate why not do it the normal expected way via >email? I already said no to them that time, now I have to do it again? >An updater is not for communication, it's for updating, I'm just >commenting it would be nice if they listened. Why bother asking for my >email if they are going to use the updater to 'communicate' ? You really think spam is better? Don't we constantly warn people not to download and install software offered to then in email? I think the updater route is better, safer, and much more efficient. If someone at dinner asks you more than once if you want a second slice of apple pie do you slam the table and storm off in a huff? You objection seems petulant to me. Should Apple be required to keep a database of refusenicks? No, but consumers should ALWAYS have the option to "opt in" rather than "opt out". Leave the stupid check boxes _unchecked_ unless someone opts to check them when installing updates. Having all the boxes checked automatically is pushy marketing...something I will always shy away from. Sue * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Now #1
>Selling DRM'd music is over...Apple just doesn't know it yet. If it can't >change the contracts it has with the major labels I think the trend will >start to change away from Apple. I'm not talking weeks or months but over >the next year or more. Only some of iTunes is DRM. While you were not paying attention Apple made a major push to eliminate DRM and make it clear to all that DRM is only used when required by the record label. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Updater Mess [Was: Apple Now #1]
I recently had a problem with a PDF that was put out by the state of Alabama. It was an older state tax form that would not appear correctly in Fox-it. I had to resort back to Adobe tog et it to work right. (These are specialized forms that appear with highlighted fields and will not print until filled out etc.) Fox-it is good but until it can solve problems like this it will not be the be all to end all. Stewart At 04:40 PM 4/5/2008, you wrote: FoxIt is a very nice, lightweight, open source PDF reader. It's fast and I don't think has any exploits, unlike Adobe Reader. I put it on all of our laptops when AR 8.0 was constantly nagging us for updates and locking up the computer when you tried to shut down. > The only better alternative is to upgrade them to Macs so they could use Apple's Preview and QuickLook > (if they get Leopard). Silly rabbit Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Updater Mess [Was: Apple Now #1]
> If you are doing a good job at patch management for your computer users > then automated notification and delivery is irrelevant. Yet, somehow I > feel suspicious of any claim that you have provided your computer users > with the latest version of Safari. I just can't picture you being so > benevolent. You misunderstand. I'm pushing out QT patches, not Safari. My comment was about the self-installing updater. And no, I would go Firefox before Safari, but I honestly don't see the point for supporting 2 browsers in a business environment without a business need. I haven't had anyone complain about not having a 2nd browser. Most have never heard of Firefox, but I put it on all of our PC giveaways anyway. > I can't see how loading your computer users up with a bunch of brand-x > software is going to make them better off. The sad truth with PDF files > on PCs is that Acrobat Reader works best. FoxIt is a very nice, lightweight, open source PDF reader. It's fast and I don't think has any exploits, unlike Adobe Reader. I put it on all of our laptops when AR 8.0 was constantly nagging us for updates and locking up the computer when you tried to shut down. > The only better alternative is to upgrade them to Macs so they could use Apple's Preview and QuickLook > (if they get Leopard). Silly rabbit * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] The OS that Won't Die!
Not sure yet. I may get one of each, since I doubt that any of my users would grok Ubuntu all that well. You never know tho'. The XP model would be good to have around for presentations and the like. My boss needed to have something small and light to carry around the office with him. He's fairly tech-savvy, god bless him, but he would pick XP over Linux. It's easier for him than to learn an entirely new OS just for spreadsheets. > -Original Message- > Running Linux or are you going to have it choke on XP? The Eee is > really > intended for Linux and there is now plenty of good software for it. > Windows is becomming a waste of money. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Now #1
Selling DRM'd music is over...Apple just doesn't know it yet. If it can't change the contracts it has with the major labels I think the trend will start to change away from Apple. I'm not talking weeks or months but over the next year or more. Mike On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >A good thing, no doubt, but the article isn't clear on what it is > measuring: > > Whatever it is measuring, the trend is clear. If you prefer a different > measure just wait a month or two and it will exceed on that measure too. > > >Look for Amazon, which has only been on-line for 5 months, to become a > major > >player soon > > Which will eventually put WalMart in third place. Selling music on discs > is so over. > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Now #1
>A good thing, no doubt, but the article isn't clear on what it is measuring: Whatever it is measuring, the trend is clear. If you prefer a different measure just wait a month or two and it will exceed on that measure too. >Look for Amazon, which has only been on-line for 5 months, to become a major >player soon Which will eventually put WalMart in third place. Selling music on discs is so over. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Safari [Was: Updater Mess]
Didn't you say previously you use Firefox? Mike On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 11:54 AM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As to 'great' software, this is dubious at best, I mean > reallyANOTHER > > browser on windows? Safari is hardly used on macs let alone another > > platform. > > Safari is third in cross-platform market share according to hitslink. > > Safari is first in W3C standards compliance. > > Safari is the first to implement CSS animation and font download > standards. > > Safari is a very well done browser, based on the open source WebKit. > > Safari is shaking up mobile communications (and the future of the > Internet is in mobile access, not desktops). > > Supporting Safari, Firefox, and Opera is one of the best ways we have of > getting and keeping the Internet free, open, and moving forward. (Another > is not using Comcast.) > > Fealty to the Microsoft masters is not a universal value. > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Trojan Downloader help needed -
http://fix-computer-problem.com/trojans/trojandownloader_xs/trojandownloader_xs.html Use at your own peril...or wait for verification about the above website. I've never used it. Mike On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Tom Chambers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > List members - I've picked up a Trojan Downloader. XS , > and so far nothing I've tried has helped . > Any advice ? Many thanks ! > > -- > I am expecting a judgement shortly , and shall then place my > establishment on a superior footing - > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Updater Mess [Was: Apple Now #1]
Who said spam is better, what are you talking about? Apple isn't asking if I want a second slice of something I have, they are asking if I want an enchilada after eating a chocolate mousse. Mike On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >If apple wants to communicate why not do it the normal expected way via > >email? I already said no to them that time, now I have to do it again? > >An updater is not for communication, it's for updating, I'm just > >commenting it would be nice if they listened. Why bother asking for my > >email if they are going to use the updater to 'communicate' ? > > You really think spam is better? Don't we constantly warn people not to > download and install software offered to then in email? > > I think the updater route is better, safer, and much more efficient. > > If someone at dinner asks you more than once if you want a second slice > of apple pie do you slam the table and storm off in a huff? You objection > seems petulant to me. Should Apple be required to keep a database of > refusenicks? > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] The OS that Won't Die!
>And not just discount computers, but ultra-portables as the Eee, which will >choke on Vista. I plan on getting one of those for work soon. Running Linux or are you going to have it choke on XP? The Eee is really intended for Linux and there is now plenty of good software for it. Windows is becomming a waste of money. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Trojan Downloader help needed -
List members - I've picked up a Trojan Downloader. XS , and so far nothing I've tried has helped . Any advice ? Many thanks ! -- I am expecting a judgement shortly , and shall then place my establishment on a superior footing - * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Updater Mess [Was: Apple Now #1]
>It becomes problematic when it's installed on networked computers where your >users don't run as an admin and it then tries to run and bomb out because it >needs admin permissions. That's always fun to get repeatedly when you're >trying to get work done. Agreed. The latest QuickTime for Mac update fails if it is not run from the 501 account. A 502 or higher admin account won't do. This is a pain. Adobe's CS2 updater had this problem too. CS3 fixed this. >I have a patch management system that pushes out the QT patches from a >central location. I don't need ham-handed developers or marketing trolls >thinking they know what's best for everyone and doing the exact opposite of >what I tell it to do. If you are doing a good job at patch management for your computer users then automated notification and delivery is irrelevant. Yet, somehow I feel suspicious of any claim that you have provided your computer users with the latest version of Safari. I just can't picture you being so benevolent. >Of course, then it sticks its icon on the desktop because, gosh, it's just >that important. To Adobe's discredit, they do the same thing with Acrobat >Reader. I'm ready to chuck that and run FoxIt Reader only. QuickTime is >about to get the axe as well. The only thing that has saved it so far is >that it can open Photoshop files, which we get occasionally from people who >haven't thought things through. Doesn't everyone have an $800 program? I can't see how loading your computer users up with a bunch of brand-x software is going to make them better off. The sad truth with PDF files on PCs is that Acrobat Reader works best. The only better alternative is to upgrade them to Macs so they could use Apple's Preview and QuickLook (if they get Leopard). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] netrestore
I've got a friend with a question I was hoping some mac guys could help with. He wants to, over a network, image a mac with partition one os x, partition 2 windows and partition 3 blank for the local user. Netrestore apparently won't do that third blank partition, or perhaps it will and he has not found the way to do it. Techinically I suppose it's the fourth partition counting the EFI. Any advice appreciated. Mike * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Updater Mess [Was: Apple Now #1]
>If apple wants to communicate why not do it the normal expected way via >email? I already said no to them that time, now I have to do it again? >An updater is not for communication, it's for updating, I'm just >commenting it would be nice if they listened. Why bother asking for my >email if they are going to use the updater to 'communicate' ? You really think spam is better? Don't we constantly warn people not to download and install software offered to then in email? I think the updater route is better, safer, and much more efficient. If someone at dinner asks you more than once if you want a second slice of apple pie do you slam the table and storm off in a huff? You objection seems petulant to me. Should Apple be required to keep a database of refusenicks? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Safari [Was: Updater Mess]
> As to 'great' software, this is dubious at best, I mean reallyANOTHER > browser on windows? Safari is hardly used on macs let alone another > platform. Safari is third in cross-platform market share according to hitslink. Safari is first in W3C standards compliance. Safari is the first to implement CSS animation and font download standards. Safari is a very well done browser, based on the open source WebKit. Safari is shaking up mobile communications (and the future of the Internet is in mobile access, not desktops). Supporting Safari, Firefox, and Opera is one of the best ways we have of getting and keeping the Internet free, open, and moving forward. (Another is not using Comcast.) Fealty to the Microsoft masters is not a universal value. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Updater Mess [Was: Apple Now #1]
You never answered my query. No I'm not offended at all, not even a little, not sure why you took that direction except to exaggerate your point. As to 'great' software, this is dubious at best, I mean reallyANOTHER browser on windows? Safari is hardly used on macs let alone another platform. If apple wants to communicate why not do it the normal expected way via email? I already said no to them that time, now I have to do it again? An updater is not for communication, it's for updating, I'm just commenting it would be nice if they listened. Why bother asking for my email if they are going to use the updater to 'communicate' ? Mike On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 8:44 AM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >How about an updater that just checks the software installed? Firefox > >doesn't push out extensions you don't already have...does adobe ask you > to > >update programs you don't have? Your logic is, MS does it so it's ok? > Odd > >Thomas. > > Let's see if I understand you fully. You are offended because a company > has offered to give you some great software for free? > > This company is already communicating with you about some other free > software that you got from them. When as part of communicating with you > about that software they say: by the way, you might also be interested in > this other thing we can give you for free they have somehow in your mind > crossed the line? > > Have I got that right? > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Updater Mess [Was: Apple Now #1]
> -Original Message- > Every responsible software vendor includes updaters as part of the > package these days. With rapidly spreading malware it is especially > important to keep front-line software patched. To criticize any company > for doing this is just plain silly. To refuse to install or unstall > these components is irresponsible. It becomes problematic when it's installed on networked computers where your users don't run as an admin and it then tries to run and bomb out because it needs admin permissions. That's always fun to get repeatedly when you're trying to get work done. I have a patch management system that pushes out the QT patches from a central location. I don't need ham-handed developers or marketing trolls thinking they know what's best for everyone and doing the exact opposite of what I tell it to do. Of course, then it sticks its icon on the desktop because, gosh, it's just that important. To Adobe's discredit, they do the same thing with Acrobat Reader. I'm ready to chuck that and run FoxIt Reader only. QuickTime is about to get the axe as well. The only thing that has saved it so far is that it can open Photoshop files, which we get occasionally from people who haven't thought things through. Doesn't everyone have an $800 program? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Updater Mess [Was: Apple Now #1]
>How about an updater that just checks the software installed? Firefox >doesn't push out extensions you don't already have...does adobe ask you to >update programs you don't have? Your logic is, MS does it so it's ok? Odd >Thomas. Let's see if I understand you fully. You are offended because a company has offered to give you some great software for free? This company is already communicating with you about some other free software that you got from them. When as part of communicating with you about that software they say: by the way, you might also be interested in this other thing we can give you for free they have somehow in your mind crossed the line? Have I got that right? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Updater Mess [Was: Apple Now #1]
>And QuickTime *still* installs the Apple Updater application, even when you >explicitly deselect the option to do so during the install. You have to go >and uninstall it afterwards. Every responsible software vendor includes updaters as part of the package these days. With rapidly spreading malware it is especially important to keep front-line software patched. To criticize any company for doing this is just plain silly. To refuse to install or unstall these components is irresponsible. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] The OS that Won't Die!
Yep. Vista *should* have been an greatly improved XP, but no. And not just discount computers, but ultra-portables as the Eee, which will choke on Vista. I plan on getting one of those for work soon. > -Original Message- > www.informationweek.com/news/windows/operatingsystems/showArticle.jhtml > ?articleID=207001662 > > Trying to avoid an exodus to Linux on ultra low-cost PCs, Microsoft > will > allow discount computer makers to sell XP for an extended time (June > 2010). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Updater Mess [was Apple Now #1]
This is Win XP SP2 and I don't have a Mac to compare with. The Safari add-on has only started appearing last week, so maybe is hasn't shown up elsewhere yet. I don't know if it's Windows specific. Richard P. While I use and enjoy iTunes, I too am annoyed at all the pre-checked software add-ons that come with the updates. Now they are pushing Safari downloads even though I don't have, use or want Safari (wasn't Safari part of the Apple Hack?). For every update, I have to go through and un-check what I don't want. While pre-checked add-ons are obviously becoming a trend with more and more company's software downloads/updates, I thought Apple would show a bit more class than to jump on the band-wagon. I've been using iTunes since it was first released and have never seen any pre-checked add-ons with the installations/updates. iTunes does have reminders for updates when they're available, but it's only iTunes application and nothing extra. Are add-ons a Windows thing? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Now #1
> www.reuters.com/article/internetNews/idUSWNAS680520080403 > > That may drive the last nail into the RIAA's coffin. A good thing, no doubt, but the article isn't clear on what it is measuring: "Apple said its announcement was based on consumer data collected in January and February by market research firm NPD that counted 12 songs being equal to one CD. In February, NPD said iTunes overtook Best Buy Co and Target Corp in 2007 to become the No. 2 U.S. music seller. Apple, which makes iPod media players, Macintosh computers and the iPhone, said iTunes had 50 million customers who had bought more than 4 billion songs since the store opened five years ago." Number of customers? Songs available? Songs purchased? All of the above? Look for Amazon, which has only been on-line for 5 months, to become a major player soon. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Updater Mess
And QuickTime *still* installs the Apple Updater application, even when you explicitly deselect the option to do so during the install. You have to go and uninstall it afterwards. I used to think it was a bug, but it's been going on long enough that it's clear that Apple considers this dishonest behavior a feature. > -Original Message- > The only two annoying updaters I have to deal with these days are > Apple and Adobe. Firefox has the good sense, like most apps, to only > check on startup. And nothing extraneous is included by default in the > updates (like "Quicktime + iTunes"). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Good web source for still images
Royalty free? http://www.techsoup.org/learningcenter/internet/page5977.cfm A good list of sites with search engines at the bottom of the page. > -Original Message- > I know that there are a few photographers & graphic designers here, so > this is a question. > > What is the best way to locate still images on the web? I have used > searches on Google images and Alta Vista images; sometimes one is > better > than the other, but they are not consistently better. > > Is there a search engine that is best of all for locating images? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Now #1
> And he gave some good ol' anti-Apple DRM FUD, too, considering many > songs (maybe a majority or all now -- I haven't looked), are available > at higher bit rates with no DRM from iTunes. Michael--You may want to read what I wrote again. Nowhere did I say anything about DRM, mostly because I wasn't sure of the status of Apple's DRMed music. Buy yeah, yet another reason to buy somewhere else. *All* of Amazon's music is DRM-free and encoded at 256 bits. QuickTime, which you have to get to get iTunes, has been patched for exploits, *again.* The Quicktime patches are coming as fast as Flash patches now and it's tiresome to have to update an app this often. Amazon doesn't make its customers (focus on that word for a second) jump through these needless and insecure hoops. I look at this as I would with an obnoxious car dealer that slaps it's name on the back of the car that you just bought from them. No thanks. I'll go to the Amazon lot down the street that doesn't try to get free advertising off of you as you drive down the road. > It may still depend on the > music company since Apple has to work with those companies to deal with > all these rights issues, but the fact is one can get higher quality > non- > DRMed music from iTunes. It's the companies that want the DRM. Apple is > indifferent to it, as state by Jobs in an open letter concerning DRM. > To > insinuate differently is bull. Right, 'ol St. Steve once again leads the way to the path of enlightenment; a standard feature of iBull. Many people were publicly calling for DRM-less music long before Jobs got into the act and Apple was very aggressive in protecting the FairPlay DRM turf that the iTunes Store uses, suing companies that tried to reverse engineer it and modifying the scheme to void the hacks. Jobs and Apple actively defended DRM, so long as it protected their vertical, closed market of iPod and iTunes and it was to their benefit. Once the market had other and better options, Apple suddenly got religion on DRM. DRM was a bad idea from Day One, (which I said as much a while back, to which you vigorously disagreed) but that didn't stop Apple from happily latching onto it as a business model. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
