Vista works better and sucks less though :)
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Eric S. Sande esa...@erols.com wrote:
WinXP is really an old and tired looking OS at this point.
Maybe. But it actually works and it doesn't suck.
We aren't going to debate the intelligence of actors are we?
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 10:03 PM, katan ka...@his.com wrote:
On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:09:57 -0400, Tom Piwowar wrote:
She wanted a Mac? In a *Microsoft* commercial? I believe the point of
her going to an Apple store was to show
Vista works better and sucks less though :)
If true, which I doubt, it undeniably requires more PC
resources and support.
Vista as I see it is at best a transitional OS.
Nobody likes paying for Microsoft experiments.
Fusion has worked fine for me on a MacBook Pro running with 2 Gb of
RAM with Windoze XP installed. I don't run games in Windows which I
understand can be a major game changer on RAM needs however.
At 1:45 PM -0600 3/28/09, Fred Jones wrote:
Fred Jones fredjone...@softhome.net
Subject: VMWare
Vista works better and sucks less though :)
If true, which I doubt, it undeniably requires more PC
resources and support.
Resources yes, support no. And Win7 adds some very nice features while using
significantly fewer resources. Marcio's new system was clearly plenty big to
run Vista, so
Isn't that an Oxy Moron?
Stewart
At 01:38 AM 3/29/2009, you wrote:
We aren't going to debate the intelligence of actors are we?
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 10:03 PM, katan ka...@his.com wrote:
On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:09:57 -0400, Tom Piwowar wrote:
She wanted a Mac? In a *Microsoft*
I think you could call it MS on Menopause.
Stewart
At 02:01 AM 3/29/2009, you wrote:
If true, which I doubt, it undeniably requires more PC
resources and support.
Vista as I see it is at best a transitional OS.
Nobody likes paying for Microsoft experiments.
Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
Will I be able to install Windows Vista or 7 on the top of it? Or I
will have to start from scratch if I decide to move the these OSs?
MS says that you will be able to purchase an upgrade from XP to Win 7, but
you'll have install it on a clean system, i.e., remove XP first. I've heard of
Thanks, but can I put Vista on the top of the XP Home?
Marcio
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You made a huge mistake in not getting a Vista computer. If you had,
I've had vista basic for over a year and after i got the kinks out of it 2
months later-i still prefer win 98 because i found it easier to do simple
adjustments in. I'm not a gamer or on a network.
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Thanks, but can I put Vista on the top of the XP Home?
Yes, but it's not necessarily the best practice.
It's almost always a good idea to start fresh with a new OS when possible.
Things inevitably get messed up as you use a system for day-to-day work. When
you upgrade in place, some portion
She wanted a Mac? In a *Microsoft* commercial? I believe the point of
her going to an Apple store was to show that there isn't much choice
there for less than $1K. She probably knew that going in.
Then why did she go there? The buying habits of WFBs are mighty strange.
If you want to buy
MS says that you will be able to purchase an upgrade from XP to Win 7, but
you'll have install it on a clean system, i.e., remove XP first.
This looks to be your best course. Even I will admit that Win7 looks like
it will suck less than Vista. Of course, with MS's $billions to spend on
No they go to AJ's and realize they can get the same crap for less at
Safeway.
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 8:01 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
She wanted a Mac? In a *Microsoft* commercial? I believe the point of
her going to an Apple store was to show that there isn't much choice
there for
Fusion has worked fine for me on a MacBook Pro running with 2 Gb of
RAM with Windoze XP installed. I don't run games in Windows which I
understand can be a major game changer on RAM needs however.
My worry with such virtualization software is that it excessively patches
the base Mac OS in
It's almost always a good idea to start fresh with a new OS when possible.
Things inevitably get messed up as you use a system for day-to-day work.
When you upgrade in place, some portion of these things will simply pack
up and move along with the new OS. Doing a fresh install cleans everything
Of course, with MS's $billions to spend on propaganda
we may just be decieved about Win7. I would wait for Win7
SP2.
Of course the millions who are using it for daily work may just be deceiving
themselves, too.
Why not just add M$ Sux to your signature and be done with it? It would
save you
On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:53:18 -0400, Eric S. Sande wrote:
...without any real comment on the phenomena of the worlds largest software
maker feeling the need to advertise a third party product (an HP computer
I believe in this case)
Product placement. Any Apple ad is about hardware, the box is
On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:26:12 -0400, Tom Piwowar wrote:
Perhaps you may have been hoodwinked? This shopper was an actress (a real
one: member of the Screen Actors Guild
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_12003603), not a real shopper. We will
probably never know how much of the dialog was improv vs.
Safeway?? They should be going to Giant where it is cheaper still.
And Wegman's is yet cheaper (and way better).
Actually I get some food stuffs at Target which is half Giant.
Yes, but it's difficult to find truffle butter at Target.
I wanted a few more options so I returned the Macbook and just ordered a 15
inch Macbook Pro...
When I was talking to the Apple representative I asked about running Fusion
and whether he had any problems updating the OS - the answer was No
problems.
So now I have had recommendations for
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Chris Dunford ch...@covesoftware.comwrote:
Safeway?? They should be going to Giant where it is cheaper still.
And Wegman's is yet cheaper (and way better).
Wegman's is hit or miss for me. If it is on sale it's cheaper but for many
things it is more.
Wegman's is hit or miss for me. If it is on sale it's
cheaper but for many things it is more.
Actually, WRC4 in DC did a comparison shop--admittedly a couple of years
ago--and found Wegman's to be the cheapest of the big grocery chains for a
pretty basic shopping cart. No truffle butter.
Of
The problem with putting gadgets anywhere is keeping them visible. If
you keep them all on one side, at least you can try to open windows
opposite it. I use the Google sidebar which has always allowed one to
drag widgets all over. But I don't, because I want them all together
so I can see them.
Fine. But they still wouldn't sell her what she wanted. A laptop with a
17' monitor for less than $1K
She could have bought an iMac with a 20-inch screen for $1099 by flashing
her college ID. That is so close that the difference is mere quibbling.
And the Mac comes with a great suite of
Of course the millions who are using it for daily work may just be deceiving
themselves, too.
The product has not shipped. Anyone using it for daily work has a daily
job as a beta tester or is an out and out idiot.
The extremes you go to as a MS lap dog are amazing. Telling people to do
their
Actually, WRC4 in DC did a comparison shop--admittedly a couple of years
ago--and found Wegman's to be the cheapest of the big grocery chains for a
pretty basic shopping cart. No truffle butter.
Washington Check Book just published such a survey. As I recall Wegman's
was the best or near the
I think Asus was making some monitors which were wide than normal to
accommodate the sidebar. Don't know if they were a hit or not, or if
they still exist.
Richard P.
The problem with putting gadgets anywhere is keeping them visible. If
you keep them all on one side, at least you can try to
She could have bought an iMac with a 20-inch screen for $1099 by
flashing
her college ID. That is so close that the difference is mere quibbling.
You seem to be confused Thomas, so let me help.
A laptop (also known as a notebook) is a personal computer designed for
mobile use small enough to
Unbiased like...you? You *are* funny.
Lugging around a 20 iMac would be great! Where is that handle?...
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
Fine. But they still wouldn't sell her what she wanted. A laptop with a
17' monitor for less than $1K
She could have
On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 15:37:28 -0400, Tom Piwowar wrote:
She could have bought an iMac with a 20-inch screen for $1099 by flashing
her college ID. That is so close that the difference is mere quibbling.
And the Mac comes with a great suite of software that is an extra cost
with the PC.
A real
Fine. But they still wouldn't sell her what she wanted. A
laptop with a 17' monitor for less than $1K
She could have bought an iMac with a 20-inch screen for
$1099 by flashing her college ID. That is so close that
the difference is mere quibbling.
Just won't give up, eh? You seem to
Folks do not do this!
Sez the man who has never touched it.
Ignorance or real-world experience: I wonder which is more credible?
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The product has not shipped. Anyone using it for daily
work has a daily job as a beta tester or is an out and
out idiot.
The extremes you go to as a MS lap dog are amazing. Telling
people to do their daily work with beta software is
unconscionable.
Folks do not do this!
Anyone who
I wonder if this Lauren was and always has been a Windows user in
the first place? An office manager? Sounds like Windows to me!
Obviously she has never had a Macintosh, and did not even like or
appreciate Macs. She proved that by her comments about not being
cool enough. Looks to me
Sez the man who has never touched it.
I'm not stupid. I usually wait for SP2. And that goes for software from
other vendors too. Doing real work with beta software is just plain dumb.
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So now beta software is...the official beta, the official GM release AND the
official release with SP 1? Now finally we are out of 'beta' when we hit SP
2? And I thought MS's numbering scheme was wacko...
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
Sez the man who has
Oh Betty...where were your calls for disservice during the i'm a mac/i'm a
pc ads from Apple? Please.
She is representing a person, unlike some here, who have to work with
something called a 'budget'. I know all the mac heads drive around in their
Bentley's and put their nose up at those who
Anyone who can read will know that I didn't suggest this. I merely pointed
out that your claim that all we have to go on is MS propaganda is ridiculous
because a huge number of people ARE using it on a day-to-day basis.
Good.
Then you would agree that anyone who does their daily work with beta
Unbiased like...you? You *are* funny.
Here I sit with a Mac and a PC side by side like cats and dogs. I am
highly proficient with both. Can you say the same?
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You've sold me! One thing though: What's the battery life on that?
Let's be real here. Most laptops are never disconnected from the mains.
This causes their batteries to rot so portable use is precluded.
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You can be cool and use a peecee. You can be a dork and use a Mac.
I think that what makes Apple's Mac vs. PC commercials so effective is
the ring of truth or at least the appeal to what people believe to be
true. The problem with MS's Laptop Hunters is that there are so many
things that ring
She is representing a person, unlike some here, who have to work with
something called a 'budget'. I know all the mac heads drive around in their
Bentley's and put their nose up at those who can only afford a toyota or
heaven forbid...*gasp* a Hyundai. Some of us actually have to consider the
Just because you don't move your portable doesn't mean no one does. I've
got four close friends who live their lives from their laptops, 3 of them
don't even have desktop units at home, the laptop goes everywhere. Two of
those guys are mac guys.
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Tom Piwowar
Wow you can spin stuff like nobody...
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
Anyone who can read will know that I didn't suggest this. I merely pointed
out that your claim that all we have to go on is MS propaganda is
ridiculous
because a huge number of people ARE
A laptop (also known as a notebook) is a personal computer designed for
mobile use small enough to sit on one's lap.
And MP3 players must be brown.
People buy PC laptops because PC desktops are so dorky. Apple provides
MORE CHOICES. A different class of machine that is both cool and not
Hopefully she'll make enough to hire a big guy to lug that thing around for
her as well as a PSU so she can use that as a portable which is what she
wanted anyway.
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
Then the kind salesperson at the Apple Store will explain to
Then you would agree that anyone who does their daily work with beta
software is an idiot.
Step two: Would you act on any recommendation provided by an idiot?
This is too ridiculous to even warrant a response.
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I know all the mac heads drive around in their
Bentley's and put their nose up at those who
can only afford a Toyota or heaven forbid...
*gasp* a Hyundai
It was a Kia, Mike, and suggestion appeared to be, if you don't have enough
for a Beemer just don't drive at all.
So stop making stuff
A laptop (also known as a notebook) is a personal computer designed for
mobile use small enough to sit on one's lap.
And MP3 players must be brown.
An unusually bizarre comment, even for you. You are saying that laptops do
NOT have to be small enough to sit on one's lap?
People buy PC laptops
Just won't give up, eh? You seem to always omit one of her requirements,
accidentally I am sure. She specified a laptop. Last I checked, iMac was a
desktop. Not very convenient for carrying to her busboy classes at the
community college.
Next you'll have her running around town looking for an MP3
And some people wonder why mac users are thought of as elitist snobs.
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
Tell the truth. A real person would have bought the iMac with a much
larger 20-inch screen and the software needed to get work done.
May I ask how much time you've spent with Vista SP1 and Win7?
None. Using either would be a bad business decision for the
reasons I've mentioned. My IT support isn't prepared to do it,
for one thing. Vista isn't going to work with my installed base
of hardware, either. Or my proprietary
Tell the truth. A real person would have bought the iMac with a much
larger 20-inch screen and the software needed to get work done.
Tell the truth. You're unable to admit that real people might want or need a
laptop because that would require you to finally answer the question, which
you
May I ask how much time you've spent with Vista SP1 and Win7?
None.
Professionally, I can't change an OS on the fly.
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Can you show me one instance where a major American or for that
matter a worldwide corporation has adopted Vista?
We weren't talking about either of these. The
So, with all due respect, None wasn't really a surprising answer.
OK, but it was an honest answer. I don't think I said Vista didn't
work, you may have read that into the text.
As far as 7, I'm not prepared to discuss what new features it may
have. What are they, specifically?
I initially created a BootCamp partition and installed XP within
that. Only after that was running properly did I venture into
installing Fusion and the Fusion virtual system was directed to
utilize the preexisting BootCamp installation. I have no idea if
that makes for a more stable virtual
OK, but it was an honest answer.
Yes, it was.
I don't think I said Vista didn't work, you may
have read that into the text.
If so, I apologize. That's how I read this:
WinXP is really an old and tired looking OS at this point.
Maybe. But it actually works and it doesn't suck.
In a
I can't believe this has gone on so long.
This was a dumb ad, based on the thinnest of premises, designed to lure
the simplest of sheeple.
katan wrote:
She wanted a Mac? In a *Microsoft* commercial? I believe the point of
her going to an Apple store was to show that there isn't much choice
In a thread about installing Vista, that kinda sounded like you were
saying that Vista DOES suck.
I can see where you could read that message. Sorry, I'll be more
careful.
The question, I think, was about going from a working XP
installation to a Vista installation.
My initial response was
I can see where you could read that message. Sorry, I'll be more
careful.
The question, I think, was about going from a working XP
installation to a Vista installation.
Well, I think your response was actually to someone who said that Marcio
would have been better off to get a Vista
Oh Betty...where were your calls for disservice during the i'm a mac/i'm a
pc ads from Apple? Please.
Get real! Nobody is stupid enough to think that John Hodgman really is a
PC and Justin Long really is a Mac! Are they? Mac and PC are
caricatures. Cute and funny, too.
Lauren is presented
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