Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshallpopoz...@earthlink.net wrote: Actually I think the biggest purveyors of HD radio are Public Radio Stations. I agree. Most commercial stations have no desire to offer a variety of programs. They are typically rigidly locked into a single format. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Jeff Wrightjswri...@gmail.com wrote: The HD in HD Radio stands for hybrid digital, not high definition. While I agreed with your description of what HD is an abbreviation for, the use of the term HD can be determined by any entity that employs that term. In fact, HD is simply the brand name for the digital broadcasting system that was approved for use by the FCC. The holder of the patent for the system as approved by the FCC maintains that HD actually means nothing and is purely a moniker used by them to identify their patented product. Users of their product may describe that term in any way they may see fit. Many stations do refer to HD as meaning High Definition. The term Hybrid Digital has similarly been adopted primarily by engineering types, but again, has nothing to do with the term HD as held by the patent holder. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket
TWO OUT OF TWO TOMS AGREE... The comment is derived from a general consensus by analysts that Microsoft's portable media player missed its mark, and doesn't look to gain any ground in its battle against Apple's iPhone and iPod Touch anytime soon. The market reception for Zune is so disappointing that many retailers have even stopped selling it altogether, he said. http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Microsoft-Apple-Zune-HD-iPod,news-4344.html * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket
OKAY WFBs, EDUCATE ME. CAN THE ZUNE HD DO THIS TOO? With TomTom for iPhone, millions of iPhone users can now benefit from the same easy-to-use and intuitive interface, turn-by-turn spoken navigation and unique routing technology that our 30 million portable navigation device users rely on every day, said Corinne Vigreux, managing director of TomTom. $99 http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10310838-37.html * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket
From the ars technica article that your battery numbers come from: http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/08/zune-hd-specs-reveal-battery-life-estimates-format-support.ars Battery life is cited as up to 24 hours (wireless off) for music and up to four hours for video, but this seemed a little toward the low-end. We e-mailed Microsoft and got back much better numbers: up to 33 hours (wireless off) for music and up to 8.5 hours I saw this in the comments and can't improve upon it: So wait...you emailed MS that you thought their official battery estimates were low and they just upped the numbers for you...?? ?? Aren't the official numbers the result of TESTING...?? ?? Now tell me, doesn't this business sound the least bit suspicious to you? From:Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com Battery life: I said *advertised* battery life and I'm sticking with that. The HD numbers you quote comes from something MS reportedly sent to engadget. However, MS's own store as of a few minutes ago says 24 hours audio, 4 hours video: http://store.microsoft.com/microsoft/Zune-HD-32/product/41941DC9#ctl19_tcla _a OK, stick with whatever you want. It's from MS, that makes it a claimed battery life. It's a safe bet that both mfrs claims are exaggerated. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Verizon smtp and Port 25
I have Cox Cable Internet Access in Annandale (VA). Cox blocks Port 25 usage for all smtp servers except Cox itself, so that all outgoing e-mail messages from any sender address have to use Cox's smtp server (smtp.east.cox.net). They do this, apparently, so they can easily detect spammers on their own circuits. Can anyone tell me whether Verizon FIOS (or DSL) service does this? (in Annandale / northern VA) Thanks, Fred Holmes * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Verizon smtp and Port 25
A quick google and it looks like it's blocked, I'd be surprised if it wasn't, those big guys don't want anyone running a server on their network. On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Fred Holmes f...@his.com wrote: I have Cox Cable Internet Access in Annandale (VA). Cox blocks Port 25 usage for all smtp servers except Cox itself, so that all outgoing e-mail messages from any sender address have to use Cox's smtp server ( smtp.east.cox.net). They do this, apparently, so they can easily detect spammers on their own circuits. Can anyone tell me whether Verizon FIOS (or DSL) service does this? (in Annandale / northern VA) Thanks, Fred Holmes * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Verizon smtp and Port 25
Nope, they block 80, but not 25, thank goodness. mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: A quick google and it looks like it's blocked, I'd be surprised if it wasn't, those big guys don't want anyone running a server on their network. On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Fred Holmes f...@his.com wrote: I have Cox Cable Internet Access in Annandale (VA). Cox blocks Port 25 usage for all smtp servers except Cox itself, so that all outgoing e-mail messages from any sender address have to use Cox's smtp server ( smtp.east.cox.net). They do this, apparently, so they can easily detect spammers on their own circuits. Can anyone tell me whether Verizon FIOS (or DSL) service does this? (in Annandale / northern VA) Thanks, Fred Holmes * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] drupal for only 10 million
Reports indicate that new multimillion dollar website is being done with drupal. Whoever sold this load of hogcrap to our government really made out on our dime. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Verizon smtp and Port 25
No, I'm not running a mail server. I need to help someone set up his/her mail client for a third party POP/SMTP mail account, and he/she is connected via Verizon (dunno if FIOS or DSL, but I presume FIOS). I'm trying to find out what to expect, although a quick test should make it obvious. I.e., in entering the address for the smtp server, do I enter the address of the third-party host of the mail server in question, or do I enter the address of Verizon's smtp server? Thanks, Fred Holmes At 01:34 PM 8/17/2009, mike wrote: Are you running a mail server? On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 10:27 AM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Nope, they block 80, but not 25, thank goodness. mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: A quick google and it looks like it's blocked, I'd be surprised if it wasn't, those big guys don't want anyone running a server on their network. On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Fred Holmes f...@his.com wrote: I have Cox Cable Internet Access in Annandale (VA). Cox blocks Port 25 usage for all smtp servers except Cox itself, so that all outgoing e-mail messages from any sender address have to use Cox's smtp server ( smtp.east.cox.net). They do this, apparently, so they can easily detect spammers on their own circuits. Can anyone tell me whether Verizon FIOS (or DSL) service does this? (in Annandale / northern VA) Thanks, Fred Holmes * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Verizon smtp and Port 25
Yes, I do run a mail server using Linux. mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Are you running a mail server? On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 10:27 AM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Nope, they block 80, but not 25, thank goodness. mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: A quick google and it looks like it's blocked, I'd be surprised if it wasn't, those big guys don't want anyone running a server on their network. On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Fred Holmes f...@his.com wrote: I have Cox Cable Internet Access in Annandale (VA). Cox blocks Port 25 usage for all smtp servers except Cox itself, so that all outgoing e-mail messages from any sender address have to use Cox's smtp server ( smtp.east.cox.net). They do this, apparently, so they can easily detect spammers on their own circuits. Can anyone tell me whether Verizon FIOS (or DSL) service does this? (in Annandale / northern VA) Thanks, Fred Holmes * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Verizon smtp and Port 25
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:13:29 -0700, mike wrote: A quick google and it looks like it's blocked, I'd be surprised if it wasn't, those big guys don't want anyone running a server on their network. On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Fred Holmes f...@his.com wrote: I have Cox Cable Internet Access in Annandale (VA). Cox blocks Port 25 usage for all smtp servers except Cox itself, so that all outgoing e-mail messages from any sender address have to use Cox's smtp server ( smtp.east.cox.net). They do this, apparently, so they can easily detect spammers on their own circuits. Assuming that you want to use your his.com address, I've got mine set to use port 587. Going through Comcast and it works fine. Rather than fight Cox, maybe changing the port will do you. Again, assuming you want to send through his.com -- R:\katan LET'S GO METS!! LET'S GO METS!! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] drupal for only 10 million
Reports indicate that new multimillion dollar website is being done with drupal. Whoever sold this load of hogcrap to our government really made out on our dime. What I read was that the contract wasn't just for the web site. Most of the money was for the infrastructure behind it (databases or whatever, I don't remember the details.) The site is just the visible part. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Verizon smtp and Port 25
Fred Holmes wrote: No, I'm not running a mail server. I need to help someone set up his/her mail client for a third party POP/SMTP mail account, and he/she is connected via Verizon (dunno if FIOS or DSL, but I presume FIOS). I'm trying to find out what to expect, although a quick test should make it obvious. I.e., in entering the address for the smtp server, do I enter the address of the third-party host of the mail server in question, or do I enter the address of Verizon's smtp server? As you say, a few quick tests will show you. I have Comcast service and use smtp.gmail.com and port 587. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Verizon smtp and Port 25
On Aug 17, 2009, at 12:57 PM, Fred Holmes wrote: Can anyone tell me whether Verizon FIOS (or DSL) service does this? (in Annandale / northern VA) I use port 25 on Verizon DSL and do not use their SMTP server. It is not blocked. With some other ISPs I use port 26 or 587. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Verizon smtp and Port 25
Port 25 is often blocked for security reasons. For SMTP, we've been using port 465 SSL for smtp.correo.yahoo.es, port 465 TLS for smtp.gmail.com, port 587 TLS for outgoing.verizon.net. I can send from any of my email accounts through all three, but the gmail SMTP server renames the sender with my gmail address, the others don't. Examples: * I send an email with a Yahoo! address using the Verizon SMTP, no problems. * I send a message with a Verizon email address using Yahoo! SMTP, no problems. * I send a message with a Verizon email address using GMail SMTP and it arrives with a GMail address instead of Verizon. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] drupal for only 10 million
Yeah open source...free. Half the work was already done for them. Not only was this company taking an existing website and merely rebuilding it, they are using pre built tools to do it. What are they doing exactly for ten million? Oh that's right, with the new transparency that info is redacted. On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:48 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 17, 2009, at 1:24 PM, mike wrote: Reports indicate that new multimillion dollar website is being done with drupal. Whoever sold this load of hogcrap to our government really made out on our dime. Other than it not being from M$, what is your objection to drupal? It is a very good open-source CMS. I'm really happy to see the new government websites using high-quality open-source like drupal and jQuery. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] drupal for only 10 million
The hardware was supplied by the government from what I read...this was JUST for the coding etc. On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: Reports indicate that new multimillion dollar website is being done with drupal. Whoever sold this load of hogcrap to our government really made out on our dime. What I read was that the contract wasn't just for the web site. Most of the money was for the infrastructure behind it (databases or whatever, I don't remember the details.) The site is just the visible part. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Verizon smtp and Port 25
Thanks. I've been doing that for several years now, since before I got Cox HSI access. I'm just trying to figure out what to expect when setting up someone else who subscribes through Verizon. Fred Holmes At 02:23 PM 8/17/2009, katan wrote: Assuming that you want to use your his.com address, I've got mine set to use port 587. Going through Comcast and it works fine. Rather than fight Cox, maybe changing the port will do you. Again, assuming you want to send through his.com -- R:\katan * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] drupal for only 10 million
On Aug 17, 2009, at 4:35 PM, mike wrote: Yeah open source...free. Half the work was already done for them. Not only was this company taking an existing website and merely rebuilding it, they are using pre built tools to do it. What are they doing exactly for ten million? Oh that's right, with the new transparency that info is redacted. So what is your beef with drupal? We are waiting... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] drupal for only 10 million
It's not with drupal, it's the fact they are using prebuilt systems for their website...should be SAVING money...what this website would have cost 25 million otherwise? recovery.org only monitors recovery spending..another website called fedspending.org monitors ALL government spending and did it with a less then 400k initial grant. Lets see...private .org does more then the .gov and for millions less. No, I don't expect a left winger like you to have a problem with fat government..well unless it's under your favorite villians those magical neomicrosofticons. On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 2:40 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 17, 2009, at 4:35 PM, mike wrote: Yeah open source...free. Half the work was already done for them. Not only was this company taking an existing website and merely rebuilding it, they are using pre built tools to do it. What are they doing exactly for ten million? Oh that's right, with the new transparency that info is redacted. So what is your beef with drupal? We are waiting... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] drupal for only 10 million
The hardware was supplied by the government from what I read...this was JUST for the coding etc. I meant the software infrastructure, not the hardware infrastructure. My point was that it wasn't just for the web site; there's a lot of code behind it that you can't see. Just design and coding can be expensive if there's a lot of it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] drupal for only 10 million
The software infrastructure was supplied by drupal...which was my point. On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: The hardware was supplied by the government from what I read...this was JUST for the coding etc. I meant the software infrastructure, not the hardware infrastructure. My point was that it wasn't just for the web site; there's a lot of code behind it that you can't see. Just design and coding can be expensive if there's a lot of it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket
Now tell me, doesn't this business sound the least bit suspicious to you? I believe I already stated that both mfrs make exaggerated claims on battery life, at least that's what I've seen from reports of field testing the battery life on the Touch. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] drupal for only 10 million
Correct me if I am wrong but drupal is just a software Content Management System tool ... a backend framework for developers to use in integrating systems such as databases, email, RSS, telephony, websites etc. You don't have anything until you create something with it which of course entails billable man hours. It can be used to lace everything together... if you already have the appropriate subcomponents. If you don't, you have to create them to. I know that with a much smaller analogous system Salesforce ... which is only a CRM (Customer Relationship Management) system, it costs $8000 worth of professional labor to configure Saleforce for use by a small local non-profit arts org so they can run their organization, (Manage events, volunteers, f_und raising, communications, website etc.)_ 10 million does sound like a lot and it wouldn't surprise me if gouging was involved but I do think there had to be some substantive development labor cost involved in using drupal.It's not an off the shelf ready to use end user product. It's a developer's tool. db mike wrote: The software infrastructure was supplied by drupal...which was my point. On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: The hardware was supplied by the government from what I read...this was JUST for the coding etc. I meant the software infrastructure, not the hardware infrastructure. My point was that it wasn't just for the web site; there's a lot of code behind it that you can't see. Just design and coding can be expensive if there's a lot of it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket
OKAY WFBs, EDUCATE ME. CAN THE ZUNE HD DO THIS TOO? With TomTom for iPhone, millions of iPhone users can now benefit from the same easy-to-use and intuitive interface, turn-by-turn spoken navigation and unique routing technology that our 30 million portable navigation device users rely on every day, said Corinne Vigreux, managing director of TomTom. Seriously? You're comparing a product with an established ecosystem (thanks largely to the iPhone, not the Touch) to one that isn't even for sale yet? Really? Do tell. This kind of derangement greatly amuses me. My refurbed TomTom 130 only cost me $50, BTW. Will iPhone users get the safety cameras and map share features that I enjoy at half the price? No? What a bargain. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket
On Aug 17, 2009, at 6:39 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: I believe I already stated that both mfrs make exaggerated claims on battery life, at least that's what I've seen from reports of field testing the battery life on the Touch. The old argument Everybody's doing it so why can't I? In truth, reviewers report Apple's estimates to be quite conservative. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] CAN THE ZUNE HD DO THIS TOO?
TWO OUT OF TWO TOMS AGREE... The comment is derived from a general consensus by analysts that Microsoft's portable media player missed its mark, and doesn't look to gain any ground in its battle against Apple's iPhone and iPod Touch anytime soon. The market reception for Zune is so disappointing that many retailers have even stopped selling it altogether, he said. http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Microsoft-Apple-Zune-HD-iPod,news-4344.html Well, the jury is still out for a lot of folks regarding the usefulness of this app since the iPhone only permits official Apple apps to run in background. Otherwise, there is no multitasking on the iPhone. If you are using the Tom Tom app, we don't know yet if you will be able to answer an incoming call without having to restart the navigation app after call completion. Many folks are taking a wait and see approach or just getting a stand-alone GPS device that would have a larger, more legible screen anyway. YMMV - - - No man is exempt from saying silly things; the mischief is to say them deliberately. - Michel de Montaigne * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket
TWO OUT OF TWO TOMS AGREE... The comment is derived from a general consensus by analysts that Microsoft's portable media player missed its mark, and doesn't look to gain any ground in its battle against Apple's iPhone and iPod Touch anytime soon. We all know that market analysts are *never* wrong, right? So, if you won't go in to stamp collecting as a relaxing hobby, how about butterfly collecting? I always pictured you as someone at home with a net. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket
The old argument Everybody's doing it so why can't I? You saw an argument in there? You saw a defense of making exaggerated claims? Not to worry, I'm sure chronic paranoia will be covered under O-Care. In truth, reviewers report Apple's estimates to be quite conservative. I've seen the opposite reported many times by actual users. Go figure. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] drupal for only 10 million
The software infrastructure was supplied by drupal...which was my point. The software infrastructure for the web site. The web site wasn't the whole project. Unless I misunderstand what drupal provides, aren't you leaving out the whole rest of the project? We're all against government waste mismanagement. We pay taxes too. And it's certainly possible that the feds overpaid on this contract. BUT, it isn't accurate to say that drupal did most of the work for them, since the web site was not the whole project. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] drupal for only 10 million
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 1:24 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Reports indicate that new multimillion dollar website is being done with drupal. Whoever sold this load of hogcrap to our government really made out on our dime. John C. Dvorak was going off about this on the No Agenda podcast he does with Adam Curry. Curry is a little too tinfoil hat for my tastes but can be amusing in his paranoia. #121 is all about questioning the credentials of our nations CIOs. http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/08/12/special-report-is-us-chief-information-officer-cio-vivek-kundra-a-phony/ http://gigaom.com/2009/08/12/dvorak-raises-doubts-about-us-cio-vivek-kundra/ -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] drupal for only 10 million
On Aug 17, 2009, at 8:05 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: The software infrastructure for the web site. The web site wasn't the whole project. Unless I misunderstand what drupal provides, aren't you leaving out the whole rest of the project? Of course they are leaving out the majority of the project. To say that drupal is the whole project would be like saying that an applications framework is the whole of an application and that any software written with it is of little value. It misunderstands where the bulk of the development work is. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Subject: drupal for only 10 million
I'm not Tom, but I'll give the #1 reason to avoid drupal: PHP And they do have serious problems with it. Very serious problems. PHP is a security nightmare of epic proportions. If Microsoft made PHP, we'd be constantly talking about how there was another security vulnerability every week... and thats very much PHP's reputation. It has security mis-designs that have carried over since its earliest days, and only recently even barely addressed - and those recent fixes have broken some major code, including drupal. There are lots of good reasons to use drupal... but PHP is the biggest reason to avoid it like industrial farm waste. On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:02 PM, David K Watson davidkirkwat...@gmail.comwrote: More details please. What kind of site? Also, like Tom I'd like to know what specifically you have against drupal. I know little about it, but the list of big corporations using it is impressive:http://websites.usandv.com/who-is-using-drupal The list includes Sun, Nike, Sony Ericsson, Adobe, FedEx and several television networks, and I believe IBM sells support for it. These people don't seem to have serious problems with it. Besides, its FREE. Just think how much more it would cost if they went with with SharePoint. From:mike xha...@gmail.com Reports indicate that new multimillion dollar website is being done with drupal. Whoever sold this load of hogcrap to our government really made out on our dime. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] drupal for only 10 million
On Aug 17, 2009, at 5:48 PM, mike wrote: It's not with drupal, it's the fact they are using prebuilt systems for their website...should be SAVING money...what this website would have cost 25 million otherwise? Precisely, using high-quality open-source frameworks like drupal is going to sage the government lots of money. A very smart move. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Subject: drupal for only 10 million
I don't see that many security fixes for php come down the line -- at least not on Linux. There are some, but if you have a good web application firewall, it should be OK, if you use your head. Allen Firstenberg cg...@addventure.com wrote: I'm not Tom, but I'll give the #1 reason to avoid drupal: PHP And they do have serious problems with it. Very serious problems. PHP is a security nightmare of epic proportions. If Microsoft made PHP, we'd be constantly talking about how there was another security vulnerability every week... and thats very much PHP's reputation. It has security mis-designs that have carried over since its earliest days, and only recently even barely addressed - and those recent fixes have broken some major code, including drupal. There are lots of good reasons to use drupal... but PHP is the biggest reason to avoid it like industrial farm waste. On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:02 PM, David K Watson davidkirkwat...@gmail.comwrote: More details please. What kind of site? Also, like Tom I'd like to know what specifically you have against drupal. I know little about it, but the list of big corporations using it is impressive:http://websites.usandv.com/who-is-using-drupal The list includes Sun, Nike, Sony Ericsson, Adobe, FedEx and several television networks, and I believe IBM sells support for it. These people don't seem to have serious problems with it. Besides, its FREE. Just think how much more it would cost if they went with with SharePoint. From:mike xha...@gmail.com Reports indicate that new multimillion dollar website is being done with drupal. Whoever sold this load of hogcrap to our government really made out on our dime. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Subject: drupal for only 10 million
On Aug 17, 2009, at 9:17 PM, Allen Firstenberg wrote: I'm not Tom, but I'll give the #1 reason to avoid drupal: PHP And they do have serious problems with it. Very serious problems. PHP is a security nightmare of epic proportions. That is a bunch of crap. Product of the same propaganda machine that cranks out false stories about OS X. PHP is a programming language. Just like any other programming language, if you don't code securely you don't get a secure application. While flaws in the language itself account for a very small percentage the total, the problems with PHP underscore the difficulty that developers--many of them amateurs--have in locking down applications written in the language, said Peter Mell, senior computer scientist for the NIST and the program manager for the National Vulnerability Database. -- http://www.securityfocus.com/ news/11430 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket
On Aug 17, 2009, at 6:49 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: Seriously? You're comparing a product with an established ecosystem (thanks largely to the iPhone, not the Touch) to one that isn't even for sale yet? You completely ignore the question I asked and substitute a straw-man in its stead. Quite intellectually dishonest. Of course you don't want to discuss if such applications will run in the Zune HD. Why an I I'm not surprised? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket
You completely ignore the question I asked and substitute a straw-man in its stead. Quite intellectually dishonest. I didn't ignore your idiotic and pointless jingoism. You should be flattered. Of course you don't want to discuss if such applications will run in the Zune HD. Go nuts. Tell us which ones will run on a Zune HD. Go on. I'll wait. whistles Why an I I'm not surprised? So, you *are* going to spend twice as much on GPS software for half the functionality. Let's call that the smug tax. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Subject: drupal for only 10 million
Well, you could set up an insecure Drupal website if you didn't really know what you were doing. But given that the list of Drupal's users includes many really big names in IT (including the security company Symantec), e-commerce sites, etc., it would seem that it can't be too hard to set up a fairly safe system. I haven't heard of FedEx or ABC being hacked recently. What CMS would you prefer the govt. to use? From:Allen Firstenberg cg...@addventure.com I'm not Tom, but I'll give the #1 reason to avoid drupal: PHP And they do have serious problems with it. Very serious problems. PHP is a security nightmare of epic proportions. If Microsoft made PHP, we'd be constantly talking about how there was another security vulnerability every week... and thats very much PHP's reputation. It has security mis- designs that have carried over since its earliest days, and only recently even barely addressed - and those recent fixes have broken some major code, including drupal. There are lots of good reasons to use drupal... but PHP is the biggest reason to avoid it like industrial farm waste. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket
A lot people of any generation, the cost is prohibitive. Beg to differ. One of the fastest growing and most innovative areas of hi-fi is in headphone systems. The youngsters all ready use Ipods and Zunes, they all ready have computers. They may not have the scratch for a full blown rig, but you can get audiophile quality for not too much more than a Mac Mini, a decent DAC/headphone amp, and some relatively cheap interconnects. Absolutely kills any Ipod or Zune on the planet for under US$2500 or less. Do it with a last generation PC for even less. Mac Mini (new) US$600.00 Benchmark DAC1 US$1000.00 Sennheiser HD600sUS$300.00 Optical interconnectUS$20.00 Itunes Free Monitor, keyboard US$200.00 Of course you're on you're own as far as the tunes are concerned. But that is highly respectable hardware that will support later expansion, that is the way I went, except that my music server is a PC. You can get less expensive than that but only if you are willimg to trade off the control flexibility and balanced outputs of the DAC mentioned. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
