Re: [CGUYS] Speaking of flash drives

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

I do not buy my dress pants at Walmart either.

But it is a BS comparison.

A decent pair of dress pants will run between 30-55.00

I used to work clothing retail and the mark up is awful.

Plus what is not stated is very often they are made at the same plant 
on the same line just with a few different labels.


Is that Ralph Lauren Polo shirt really worth 70?

I can buy a comparable quality shirt at Lands End for 29.

Stewart


At 12:14 PM 11/3/2009, you wrote:


Walmart dress pants $20. Material disintegrates in 2 years so pants
are no longer useable.

Men's shop dress pants $80. After 10 years of heavy use still look good.

It is just like the Mac vs. PC comparison.


Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net
Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org
Ozark, AL  SL 82


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Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

[b_s-wilk]

mike  escribió:


This is a problem with every news site.  Check NYT or LATIMES or any other
news paper.


This is a somewhat recent phenomenon. I've worked on several newspapers 
and have done work for magazines and books. Newspaper headlines were 
edited carefully just as was the copy. Staff would sit around and 
consider stories to go into the next issue and discuss both the stories 
and the best headers, often honing some excellent double entendres.


Editors, if there are any who haven't been fired, either aren't as well 
prepared or don't have the time to be more careful with their headlines. 
Copy--instead of being proofed by a proofreader and editor--is put 
through a spell checker, most of which make horrendous mistakes. As long 
as the readers don't care or demand quality, or pay for quality, it 
won't be there.


Who can spell or compose a sentence in the world of tweets anyway? Does 
nuance matter? It does to some of us. Would be nice if more news sources 
were as carefully edited as the Financial Times or the Economist, 
whether on not you agree with their news slant. NYT used to be. WaPo is 
better. Baltimore Sun was one of the best until the Chicago Tribune set 
its vampires on it.


Bing vs. Google is not the choice. Use whichever works and switch back 
and forth. One is not enough. Monocultures are bad, in biology and in 
computing. Neither search engine should "win", or we [users] lose. Vive 
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Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

[Reid Katan]

Quoting tjpa :


Read the headline. Read the story. Tell me if this head fits on this body.

Bing Now a Serious Challenger to Google
http://www.pcworld.com/article/181980/bing_now_a_serious_challenger_to_google.html


Never mind squaring the headline with the body, there doesn't seem to  
be much consistency in the body. How do you go from "rose to 9.57  
percent in October 2009, up from 8.96 percent in September." to  
"nipping at Google's heels" and "In fact, it appears that Google is  
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Re: [CGUYS] M$ Spys on Customers & Finds 5% Unworthy, Gives Them the Boot

[phartz...@gmail.com]

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:41 PM, mike  wrote:

> What if Chevrolet put controls in their car so they knew how fast you were
> going.  Then when they found out you went 10mph over the speed limit, they
> sent a /kill signal to your car and you were finished?  Why is it any
> business of MS's if someone mods hardware they bought and *own*?  This could
> be a lawsuit by the time it's over, are we now reduced to not only 'leasing'
> software with those crazy EULAs, but now leasing hardware as well?

  It is about time that software licensing issues get an airing in the courts.

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Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

[phartz...@gmail.com]

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:36 PM, mike  wrote:

> This is a problem with every news site.  Check NYT or LATIMES or any other
> news paper.

  Agreed.  I see this all the time.

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Re: [CGUYS] droid self-photography?

[phartz...@gmail.com]

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 10:05 AM, tjpa  wrote:

> More aggressive distracted posting from Mike. He can't really pay attention
> to what you post because he's also in three chat rooms, streaming youtube
> and hulu videos, shopping for gaiters at five different online stores,
> reading four other emails, playing a video game, and fighting off a
> real-life polar bear that just broke into his living room. Just take no
> mind.

  Hey, look, he apologized to me.  I really did not expect an apology
because I truthfully was not offended by Mike's remarks in the first
place.  He simply mistook what I was trying to say.  I further
explained myself, and that was that.  No harm, no foul.

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Re: [CGUYS] Word 7 to word 3

[John Duncan Yoyo]

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Tony B  wrote:

> Is this a question? You made the mistake of saving from Word 7 as a
> .doc file. You need to save as a .txt (plain text) file if you want to
> be able to open it in Word 3.
>
>
> Would RTF work as well?
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Re: [CGUYS] M$ Spys on Customers & Finds 5% Unworthy, Gives Them the Boot

[mike]

Exactly that?  You went a few miles over the posted speed and they revoked
the warranty?

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. <
acker...@astrecg.com> wrote:

> Actually, Chrysler did that- and said my warranty was not valid.
>
> Eschew Obfuscation
>
> This is a reply from:
> Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A.
>  Financial, Managerial, and Technical Services
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>
>  703.548.1343 voice
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> are YOUR adjuvancy
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:
> computerguy...@listserv.aol.com]
> On Behalf Of mike
> Sent: 11/11/2009 7:42 PM
> To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
> Subject: Re: [CGUYS] M$ Spys on Customers & Finds 5% Unworthy, Gives Them
> the Boot
>
> What if Chevrolet put controls in their car so they knew how fast you were
> going.  Then when they found out you went 10mph over the speed limit, they
> sent a /kill signal to your car and you were finished?  Why is it any
> business of MS's if someone mods hardware they bought and *own*?  This
> could
> be a lawsuit by the time it's over, are we now reduced to not only
> 'leasing'
> software with those crazy EULAs, but now leasing hardware as well?
>
> I would be very interested to see if the rest of the story even matters
> here.  What can MS say to back this up?
>
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Tony B  wrote:
>
> > >It wasn't immediately clear how Microsoft uncovered the users'
> > modifications.
> >
> > Until the technique is explained, there's not much to comment on. It's
> > only half a story.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:15 PM, tjpa  wrote:
> > > Microsoft Boots 1 Million Xbox 360 Players Over Piracy Fears
> > >
> >
>
> http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/20091401DOWJONESDJON
> LINE000576_FORTUNE5.htm
> > >
> > > I make no comment.
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Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

[mike]

This is a problem with every news site.  Check NYT or LATIMES or any other
news paper.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:00 PM, tjpa  wrote:

> Read the headline. Read the story. Tell me if this head fits on this body.
>
> Bing Now a Serious Challenger to Google
>
> http://www.pcworld.com/article/181980/bing_now_a_serious_challenger_to_google.html
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Re: [CGUYS] M$ Spys on Customers & Finds 5% Unworthy, Gives Them the Boot

[Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A.]

Actually, Chrysler did that- and said my warranty was not valid.

Eschew Obfuscation

This is a reply from: 
Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. 
  Financial, Managerial, and Technical Services
for the Professional, Non-Profit, and the Entrepreneurial Organization

  703.548.1343 voice 
  703.783.1340 fax 
  

>From thinking to doing, from sales to profits, from tax to investments- we
are YOUR adjuvancy

-Original Message-
From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com]
On Behalf Of mike
Sent: 11/11/2009 7:42 PM
To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] M$ Spys on Customers & Finds 5% Unworthy, Gives Them
the Boot

What if Chevrolet put controls in their car so they knew how fast you were
going.  Then when they found out you went 10mph over the speed limit, they
sent a /kill signal to your car and you were finished?  Why is it any
business of MS's if someone mods hardware they bought and *own*?  This could
be a lawsuit by the time it's over, are we now reduced to not only 'leasing'
software with those crazy EULAs, but now leasing hardware as well?

I would be very interested to see if the rest of the story even matters
here.  What can MS say to back this up?

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Tony B  wrote:

> >It wasn't immediately clear how Microsoft uncovered the users'
> modifications.
>
> Until the technique is explained, there's not much to comment on. It's
> only half a story.
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:15 PM, tjpa  wrote:
> > Microsoft Boots 1 Million Xbox 360 Players Over Piracy Fears
> >
>
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/20091401DOWJONESDJON
LINE000576_FORTUNE5.htm
> >
> > I make no comment.
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Re: [CGUYS] Real Windows 7 Reviews Start to Appear

[mike]

Nope.  OSX doesn't have this problem with their deffective product because
they have very little share.  OS X works great, looks great and is extremely
costly for me.  I haven't had a problem with malware etc in years, so the
benefit of OSX for it's extra cost for me is zero.  I may when someone like
my mom replaces her PC, get her a mac...although I may not since she has had
no problem.  People want to buy a mac, spend that extra money so they won't
have to worry about malware etc I say great for them, macs are great
machines.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:14 PM, tjpa  wrote:

> On Nov 11, 2009, at 6:11 PM, mike wrote:
>
>> As long as there are dollar signs attached to malware etc, as long as
>> there
>> are users like (your mom's name here) who don't know any better then to
>> click on every link in her email box, and as long as windows has for all
>> practical purposes almost the entire market, windows will be vulnerable.
>>
>
> Why are you so willing to accept a defective product? Do I need to remind
> you that other computer operating systems do not have this problem?
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Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

[Tony B]

Yes, with nearly 10 percent of the market to Google's 70%, I'd say the
headline is accurate. After all, every time Apple market pushes 5% to
MS's 90%, you proclaim the end of MS.


On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:00 PM, tjpa  wrote:
> Read the headline. Read the story. Tell me if this head fits on this body.
>
> Bing Now a Serious Challenger to Google
> http://www.pcworld.com/article/181980/bing_now_a_serious_challenger_to_google.html


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Re: [CGUYS] Real Windows 7 Reviews Start to Appear

[tjpa]

On Nov 11, 2009, at 6:11 PM, mike wrote:
As long as there are dollar signs attached to malware etc, as long  
as there
are users like (your mom's name here) who don't know any better then  
to
click on every link in her email box, and as long as windows has for  
all
practical purposes almost the entire market, windows will be  
vulnerable.


Why are you so willing to accept a defective product? Do I need to  
remind you that other computer operating systems do not have this  
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[CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

[tjpa]

Read the headline. Read the story. Tell me if this head fits on this  
body.


Bing Now a Serious Challenger to Google
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Re: [CGUYS] M$ Spys on Customers & Finds 5% Unworthy, Gives Them the Boot

[mike]

What if Chevrolet put controls in their car so they knew how fast you were
going.  Then when they found out you went 10mph over the speed limit, they
sent a /kill signal to your car and you were finished?  Why is it any
business of MS's if someone mods hardware they bought and *own*?  This could
be a lawsuit by the time it's over, are we now reduced to not only 'leasing'
software with those crazy EULAs, but now leasing hardware as well?

I would be very interested to see if the rest of the story even matters
here.  What can MS say to back this up?

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Tony B  wrote:

> >It wasn't immediately clear how Microsoft uncovered the users'
> modifications.
>
> Until the technique is explained, there's not much to comment on. It's
> only half a story.
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:15 PM, tjpa  wrote:
> > Microsoft Boots 1 Million Xbox 360 Players Over Piracy Fears
> >
> http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/20091401DOWJONESDJONLINE000576_FORTUNE5.htm
> >
> > I make no comment.
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Re: [CGUYS] Word 7 to word 3

[Tony B]

Is this a question? You made the mistake of saving from Word 7 as a
.doc file. You need to save as a .txt (plain text) file if you want to
be able to open it in Word 3.


On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Marcio  wrote:
> Here I am good guys. I sent to myself through e-mail a text I wrote in MS 
> Word 7. O Tried to open with MS Word 3 and this was what I got:
>
> PK          ! Ýü•7f           [Content_Types].xml ¢  (                        
>                                                                               
>                                                                               
>                                                                               
>                                                                               
>                                                                               
>                                                                               
>                        ´TËnÂ0 ¼Wê?D¾V‰¡‡ªª  ú8¶H¥¬`ì
> XõKöòúûn DU
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Re: [CGUYS] M$ Spys on Customers & Finds 5% Unworthy, Gives Them the Boot

[Tony B]

>It wasn't immediately clear how Microsoft uncovered the users' modifications.

Until the technique is explained, there's not much to comment on. It's
only half a story.


On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:15 PM, tjpa  wrote:
> Microsoft Boots 1 Million Xbox 360 Players Over Piracy Fears
> http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/20091401DOWJONESDJONLINE000576_FORTUNE5.htm
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Re: [CGUYS] M$ Spys on Customers & Finds 5% Unworthy, Gives Them the Boot

[db]

MS is just plain doing a good job at killing itself period.'
It can't seem to do anything else...

db

mike wrote:

Just how big does a company need to be to be able to treat it's customers
this way and get away with it?  There really is nowhere else for these
players to go for the same experience.  Knowing MS's track record for crap
DRM checks like Genuine Advantage, it's safe to say a good portion of these
users are perfectly legal.  MS seems to be trying hard to kill it's xbox.


On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:15 PM, tjpa  wrote:

  

Microsoft Boots 1 Million Xbox 360 Players Over Piracy Fears

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/20091401DOWJONESDJONLINE000576_FORTUNE5.htm

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[CGUYS] Word 7 to word 3

[Marcio]

Here I am good guys. I sent to myself through e-mail a text I wrote in MS Word 
7. O Tried to open with MS Word 3 and this was what I got:

PK  ! Ýü•7f   [Content_Types].xml ¢  (  






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XõKöòúûn DU
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Re: [CGUYS] Real Windows 7 Reviews Start to Appear

[mike]

As long as there are dollar signs attached to malware etc, as long as there
are users like (your mom's name here) who don't know any better then to
click on every link in her email box, and as long as windows has for all
practical purposes almost the entire market, windows will be vulnerable.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:56 PM, John Duncan Yoyo
wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:41 PM, tjpa  wrote:
>
> > On the malware front Win7 is even worse than I expected...
> >
> > "Windows 7 vulnerable to 8 out of 10 viruses"
> >
> >
> http://www.sophos.com/blogs/chetw/g/2009/11/03/windows-7-vulnerable-8-10-viruses/
> >
> >  "Unfortunately, despite Microsoft's claims, Windows 7 disappointed just
> > like earlier versions of Windows,"
> >
> >
> On a PC without an anti-virus.  Given that WIN7 is Vista 2.0 it shouldn't
> be
> an awful surprise.
>
> Now that M$ offers a free anti-virus this is probably an unfair test.  They
> should run the same test with M$'s AV running.  It may even bat .500.
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Re: [CGUYS] Real Windows 7 Reviews Start to Appear

[John Duncan Yoyo]

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:41 PM, tjpa  wrote:

> On the malware front Win7 is even worse than I expected...
>
> "Windows 7 vulnerable to 8 out of 10 viruses"
>
> http://www.sophos.com/blogs/chetw/g/2009/11/03/windows-7-vulnerable-8-10-viruses/
>
>  "Unfortunately, despite Microsoft's claims, Windows 7 disappointed just
> like earlier versions of Windows,"
>
>
On a PC without an anti-virus.  Given that WIN7 is Vista 2.0 it shouldn't be
an awful surprise.

Now that M$ offers a free anti-virus this is probably an unfair test.  They
should run the same test with M$'s AV running.  It may even bat .500.

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Re: [CGUYS] M$ Spys on Customers & Finds 5% Unworthy, Gives Them the Boot

[mike]

Just how big does a company need to be to be able to treat it's customers
this way and get away with it?  There really is nowhere else for these
players to go for the same experience.  Knowing MS's track record for crap
DRM checks like Genuine Advantage, it's safe to say a good portion of these
users are perfectly legal.  MS seems to be trying hard to kill it's xbox.


On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:15 PM, tjpa  wrote:

> Microsoft Boots 1 Million Xbox 360 Players Over Piracy Fears
>
> http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/20091401DOWJONESDJONLINE000576_FORTUNE5.htm
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Re: [CGUYS] Real Windows 7 Reviews Start to Appear

[tjpa]

On the malware front Win7 is even worse than I expected...

"Windows 7 vulnerable to 8 out of 10 viruses"
http://www.sophos.com/blogs/chetw/g/2009/11/03/windows-7-vulnerable-8-10-viruses/

 "Unfortunately, despite Microsoft's claims, Windows 7 disappointed  
just like earlier versions of Windows,"



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[CGUYS] M$ Spys on Customers & Finds 5% Unworthy, Gives Them the Boot

[tjpa]

Microsoft Boots 1 Million Xbox 360 Players Over Piracy Fears
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/20091401DOWJONESDJONLINE000576_FORTUNE5.htm

I make no comment.


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Re: [CGUYS] DROID killer [was: It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)]

[tjpa]

On Nov 8, 2009, at 8:32 PM, b_s-wilk wrote:
First, I forgot that the Droid is by Motorola. Could this be that  
company's last gasp at mobile phones?


Here's the answer...
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a8kvNu3Ufywc&pos=7

Moto has decided to get going while the getting is good -- they are  
looking to sell off the unit that makes the Driod.


"The company, which posted losses of more than $4 billion last year,  
is betting on a series of smart phones based on Google Inc.’s Android  
operating system to revive growth, even as it plans to spin off the  
phone unit."


This is not exactly a vote of confidence, is it?


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Re: [CGUYS] IPv4 Exhaustion Counter

[Ellen Rains Harris]

I agree, because I have been guilty of such in the past.

At one point it was cheaper for me to get individual IP addresses than it 
was to get a router-firewall to map them.


Silly, especially since the hardware has gotten both cheaper and better

Ellen H.

- Original Message - 
From: "tjpa" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] IPv4 Exhaustion Counter



Somebody ought to be looking at assigned, but unused IPs. I commonly  see 
ISPs providing customers with multiple static IPs when they really  need 
only one or would do fine with a dynamic IP. I won't believe that  there 
is really a shortage until I see an annual fee assessed per IP  address 
where people get a real bill that lists their IPs and the  charge. What is 
essentially free tends to get wasted.





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Re: [CGUYS] 'Clean Instal' W7 Upgrades Illegal

[John Duncan Yoyo]

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 5:09 PM, mike  wrote:

> Can't be that old, we are told constantly by the mac glitterati that pc's
> don't last that long.  You must mean five or six months :p
>
> Oh it is just as crappy as it was when I bought it.  :-)  I just have a
high tolerance for pain.   That and I have a fifteen year old Mac that I
turn on every once and while to play a few system 9 based games.

I use a PC because they are cheap and I need to be able to use what they buy
in the office.   I figure I'll get a WIN7 machine there in about 5 years
since I am at the end of the PC pass down chain.

-- 
John Duncan Yoyo
---o)


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Re: [CGUYS] IPv4 Exhaustion Counter

[Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)]

If memory serves IPV6 is good to go.  It is the effort to make the
switch that is delaying it.  (Disclaimer: I am not a network guru, but I
do follow the tech press.)  I also wonder what the motivation is for the
internet service providers to make any effort?

Thank you,

Mark Snyder
-Original Message-

Does anybody know what the hold-up is with IPv6? Did they over  
engineer it or is that task of switching over more work than the  
community will bear?


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Re: [CGUYS] IPv4 Exhaustion Counter

[tjpa]

On Nov 10, 2009, at 10:02 PM, Ellen Rains Harris wrote:
So does this mean I'm going to have to learn something about IPv6 or  
can we just steal some v4 from the less fortunate?


That's a hard one. If Cheney were still running the show I'm sure we  
would be blockading Madagascar until they turned over their IPs to US.  
With the current namby-pamby administration I don't know.


Somebody ought to be looking at assigned, but unused IPs. I commonly  
see ISPs providing customers with multiple static IPs when they really  
need only one or would do fine with a dynamic IP. I won't believe that  
there is really a shortage until I see an annual fee assessed per IP  
address where people get a real bill that lists their IPs and the  
charge. What is essentially free tends to get wasted.


Does anybody know what the hold-up is with IPv6? Did they over  
engineer it or is that task of switching over more work than the  
community will bear?



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Re: [CGUYS] droid self-photography?

[tjpa]

On Nov 11, 2009, at 6:44 AM, mike wrote:
Is there a reason you think you are so much better than other people  
or is
it just a general sense of superiority?  You seem to have a horrible  
view of

people who aren't exactly like you.


More aggressive distracted posting from Mike. He can't really pay  
attention to what you post because he's also in three chat rooms,  
streaming youtube and hulu videos, shopping for gaiters at five  
different online stores, reading four other emails, playing a video  
game, and fighting off a real-life polar bear that just broke into his  
living room. Just take no mind.



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Re: [CGUYS] droid self-photography?

[mike]

I apologize if I read you wrong.  I hadn't judged the people in the ad nor
felt the ad had judged them.  So I thought you were,  not relating that you
felt the ad itself was judging them.

On Nov 11, 2009 6:12 AM, "phartz...@gmail.com"  wrote:

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:21 AM, mike  wrote: > Did you
miss the part where anyon...
 Hey, I live and work way out in the country myself, miles from any
urban area!!  Maybe that does make me stupid.  Anyway, I placed my
description of urbanites as being sophisticates in parentheses, as in
"sophisticates," thereby indicating the tenuous nature of such a
viewpoint.

 The creators of that ad are the ones who might have a superiority
complex, not me.  They are the ones who cast the two cowboys who, near
the tail end of the ad, approach the ominous pod when one of them says
in a hick-like drawl, "What in the world is that?"

 Again. my main observation is the clear depiction of the United
States military subjecting its own populous to some fearful and
obviously dangerous thing.  What is that about?  Are we all supposed
to see that ad, finally understand that it is about selling a phone,
and then come away with the understanding that this is our
military/industrial complex in action?

 Steve

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Re: [CGUYS] droid self-photography?

[phartz...@gmail.com]

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:21 AM, mike  wrote:

> Did you miss the part where anyone not living in a big city was a rube?
> Just because someone works outside they are automatically stupid?

  Hey, I live and work way out in the country myself, miles from any
urban area!!  Maybe that does make me stupid.  Anyway, I placed my
description of urbanites as being sophisticates in parentheses, as in
"sophisticates," thereby indicating the tenuous nature of such a
viewpoint.

  The creators of that ad are the ones who might have a superiority
complex, not me.  They are the ones who cast the two cowboys who, near
the tail end of the ad, approach the ominous pod when one of them says
in a hick-like drawl, "What in the world is that?"

  Again. my main observation is the clear depiction of the United
States military subjecting its own populous to some fearful and
obviously dangerous thing.  What is that about?  Are we all supposed
to see that ad, finally understand that it is about selling a phone,
and then come away with the understanding that this is our
military/industrial complex in action?

  Steve


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Re: [CGUYS] droid self-photography?

[Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)]

No, I took it the same way I'd react to bumpkin.  Why the
super-sensitive reaction, response?

Thank you,

Mark Snyder
Original Message-

Did you miss the part where anyone not living in a big city was a rube?
Just because someone works outside they are automatically stupid?


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Re: [CGUYS] droid self-photography?

[mike]

Did you miss the part where anyone not living in a big city was a rube?
Just because someone works outside they are automatically stupid?

On Nov 11, 2009 5:13 AM, "Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)" 
wrote:

Mike, why the personal attack?  This struck me as way over the top and I
could see nothing in the post that would indicate your characterization?

Thank you,

Mark Snyder

-Original Message- Is there a reason you think you are so much
better than other people or ...

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Re: [CGUYS] droid self-photography?

[Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)]

Mike, why the personal attack?  This struck me as way over the top and I
could see nothing in the post that would indicate your characterization?

Thank you,

Mark Snyder
-Original Message-

Is there a reason you think you are so much better than other people or
is
it just a general sense of superiority?  You seem to have a horrible
view of
people who aren't exactly like you.


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Re: [CGUYS] droid self-photography?

[mike]

Is there a reason you think you are so much better than other people or is
it just a general sense of superiority?  You seem to have a horrible view of
people who aren't exactly like you.

On Nov 10, 2009 10:13 PM, "phartz...@gmail.com"  wrote:

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 9:20 PM, tjpa  wrote: > Interesting.
iPhone ads are all abou...
 I noted the obvious imagery of collusion between Motorola, Verizon,
Google and the Pentagon as they collectively launch an attack upon the
citizenry of the United States.  No evidence of urban "sophisticates"
being assaulted, only rubes such as cowboys, mountain men, fishermen
and folks living in arid desert areas.  A very odd and even ominous
advertisement, certainly meant to harken imagery of a "War of the
Worlds" scenario, but this time with our own government being the
deliverer of some form of hostile devices that elicit fear and a sense
of imminent danger and impending doom.  Close to the actual truth
perhaps?

 Steve

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