date:20091218

I've had fine experiences in mixed and non mixed environments.  I'm
wondering...how would the scientists run their software on machines that
didn't run their software?  This is precisely my point, this point has
nothing to do with windows or os x.  Did they fire everyone and replace the
machines with windows and let them sit there?

One of the local community colleges here runs it's entire IT department by
itself...they build machines, service machines, install the
os...everything.  This has saved them immense amounts of money.  Another
community college buys their machines from Dell and Apple, there is a push
from some in the IT department to go wholly mac..there is no push to go all
windows.  The windows machines are locked down and haven't had a trojan or
virus in years.  The backend is novell, so they are crazy either way.  Part
of the problems at the doctors offices where I have more experience is
they've been running windows for almost ten years.  The specialized software
they run which is VERY expensive, may now run on mac os, probably not..but
they are still using machines just fine from 3-8 years ago.  We had dells
that were five years old that ran fine.  Moving six hundred users from pc to
mac would have been a years long task unless we just dumped perfectly good
machines, not to mention retraining...etc, etc.  It's not as easy as Tom
would have people believe.  My point isn't that there are no IT managers who
are biased, but that I don't think the whole IT field is as underhanded as
Tom would have people believe.  IT managers also don't control costs, many
CFO's don't look years ahead to see what the TCO might be in a decade if
they revamp the entire network.  The TCO isn't IT...blame the bankers, or
whomever.  Perhaps his experience is just with bad IT managers, the two main
ones I worked with came in from the ground level, hardware hobbyists who
self taught and were certified later, I find these types of IT managers to
be much better than those who get certified and pushed out in the field with
no experience.

In the end...I like macs, I've bought em, used em, fixed them.  Whatever
works.

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 9:45 PM, b_s-wilk  wrote:

> My friends who are scientists at a large [unnamed] chemical company in
> Delaware were doing research using Macs. Then IT said they wouldn't
> support Macs any more. Wouldn't buy replacements when they requested
> more powerful computers. Everybody had to use Windows, even though the
> software they used didn't run on Windows. Several brought their own Macs
> to work and locked them away at night.
>
> It's one of many stories.
>
> How about the people who are using Linux in their labs with NO outside
> support [that could be a good thing]? Research labs use whatever OS does
> the job best, but the Windows-dominated IT departments throw up
> roadblocks instead of cooperating.
>
> Mike, perhaps you've had better experience in mixed environments?
>
>
>  Case in point of rabid mac fan bois...
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:51 AM, tjpa  wrote:
>>
>>  > On Dec 18, 2009, at 1:20 PM, mike wrote:
>>> >
>>>
 >> I've been around enough IT managers and departments to know that this
 is
 >> not
 >> some huge conspiracy, it is only the mac faithful who believe they
 are
 >> locked out of business because of IT departments trying to secure
 jobs.
 >> This is ridiculous..I'm not saying it never happens, but it's not
 rampant.
 >>

>>> >
>>> > It is rampant. Corporate IT fights tooth and nail to keep Macs out so
>>> that
>>> > there will be no basis for comparison. In corporations that do have a
>>> mix
>>> > the difference in the number of support people per user is huge.
>>> >
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Re: [CGUYS] "Right" computer OS [was: [CGUYS] Consternation...]

VirtualBox is a free emulator and works well. There are versions for OS 
X, Windows, Linux, Solaris. I installed WXP Pro in VirtualBox on my 
MacBook. It's just as fast as last year's Compaq. I used an installer 
disk from a dead Dell.




Unless you buy an emulator and then buy another OS no it wont.

At that point totally uneconomical. 



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Re: [CGUYS] Audio File Conversion


On OS X I've only used SoX...but I hear mplayer is good.  Google will guide
your way..


mplayer is good, but easier to use inside the GUI of FFMPEGX or several 
other GUI wrappers for Unix tools if you're planning to convert more 
than one file. http://ffmpegx.com/


I also use QuickTime Pro with Flip4Mac.

But if you're using Windows I'll have to boot the PC and look.


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Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!


Yes "want" is involved but in a society where you are disadvantaged and uncool 
etc to not compute, it's not the determining factor.

We can afford to pay for the oil or tire but few can afford to pay for a driver. 


Most of my friends when I was in high school could change oil or change 
a tire in their cars. I can. We also did valve jobs ourselves for the 
fun of it [well almost], and repair motorcycles. Anyone who is capable 
of doing an oil change and car repair is smart enough to learn how to 
use a computer--if they want to do it. If they say they can't, it's a 
mental block, not lack of ability.


Conversely, if you can use a computer, you can learn how to work on your 
car. You have to want to learn how to use the computer instead of 
thinking about how difficult it is [it isn't] and how you can't learn 
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Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner

Maybe. But that doesn't excuse anything. Nor does it justify anything.
A better question would be: Did you see a marked, measurable
improvement in something after you did it?


> Except that just the other day it took three passes on a machine at work for
> CCleaner to find no more problems. WinXP.


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Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!


I think most kids will learn how to use both - at home and with friends,
not so important at school anymore.  More important at school is
learning how, why they work.  For too many people, computers are magic,
like cars.  Therefore, when something behaves incorrectly, they have no
clue.
  

Do you know how to fix your car, the light switch in your house, how to do 
therapy on your knee, make your own jewelry or wall art, grow your own 
vegetables, raise your own chickens, file your own taxes, represent yourself in 
court?


Yes to all but being my own lawyer.



But everyone knows how to drive a car.   Why?  Because the controls ... except 
for Minis ... are all essentially the same design that time and need showed 
were more or less the most effective.



...except for Peugeot, Citroen, Perodua, Fiat, Skoda, Tata, Alfa Romeo, 
Proton, Lada, Trabant, Yugo...



Come on. Almost anyone can learn how to use computers, and non-American 
cars, if they put their minds to it and take time to RTFM or simply ask 
questions. I figured out how to use the controls on an Alfa Romeo we 
rented in Germany, and the manual was in German [I don't speak German 
without a dictionary ;-) ].


My mother learned how to use a computer [PC] in her 70s, so did my Dad 
[Mac]. Should be easier for all your students/clients who are younger 
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Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner

2009-12-18 Thread Reid Katan


Quoting Tony B :


I can't recall seeing that happen since the old Win9x days. As I
recall we had this discussion back then - to wit, if [this or that]
registry cleaner is so great, why does it keep telling you more and
more things need to be "cleaned"? Either that item needs to be cleaned
or it doesn't. It's absurd to think that items are hiding behind other
items and can't be seen until you move the object from in front of it.
This is software, not furniture.


Note that you will usually need to run the cleaner several times as each
pass seems to reveal more crap.


Except that just the other day it took three passes on a machine at  
work for CCleaner to find no more problems. WinXP.



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Re: [CGUYS] "Right" computer OS [was: [CGUYS] Consternation...]

My friends who are scientists at a large [unnamed] chemical company in
Delaware were doing research using Macs. Then IT said they wouldn't
support Macs any more. Wouldn't buy replacements when they requested
more powerful computers. Everybody had to use Windows, even though the
software they used didn't run on Windows. Several brought their own Macs
to work and locked them away at night.

It's one of many stories.

How about the people who are using Linux in their labs with NO outside
support [that could be a good thing]? Research labs use whatever OS does
the job best, but the Windows-dominated IT departments throw up
roadblocks instead of cooperating.

Mike, perhaps you've had better experience in mixed environments?

Case in point of rabid mac fan bois...

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:51 AM, tjpa  wrote:

> On Dec 18, 2009, at 1:20 PM, mike wrote:
>

>> I've been around enough IT managers and departments to know that this is
>> not
>> some huge conspiracy, it is only the mac faithful who believe they are
>> locked out of business because of IT departments trying to secure jobs.
>> This is ridiculous..I'm not saying it never happens, but it's not rampant.
>>

>
> It is rampant. Corporate IT fights tooth and nail to keep Macs out so that
> there will be no basis for comparison. In corporations that do have a mix
> the difference in the number of support people per user is huge.
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On 12/18/2009 12:29 PM, Tony B wrote:

I can't recall seeing that happen since the old Win9x days. As I
recall we had this discussion back then - to wit, if [this or that]
registry cleaner is so great, why does it keep telling you more and
more things need to be "cleaned"? Either that item needs to be cleaned
or it doesn't. It's absurd to think that items are hiding behind other
items and can't be seen until you move the object from in front of it.
This is software, not furniture.


ROTFLMHO *can't stop laughing*

I loved how worded that.  Very good point and, thanks for the chuckle.


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Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner


On 12/18/2009 10:27 AM, tjpa wrote:
My experience is quite the opposite. After cleaning the registry the 
PC starts up faster, the desktop draw faster, explorer windows appear 
faster, and there is a sweet fragrance in the air. I once had a 
Windows PC where files dragged into the trash would immediately pop 
back to their previous location, the registry cleaner fixed it.


Note that you will usually need to run the cleaner several times as 
each pass seems to reveal more crap.


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On 12/18/2009 8:25 AM, Tony B wrote:

Ya, ccleaner is the way to go
(http://www.filehippo.com/download_ccleaner/). But note that, while
you should probably have it installed anyway, "cleaning" your registry
isn't likely to solve any system problems you may be having. I rarely
ever run the registry cleaner, preferring to just let the old junk lie
quietly where it doesn't bother anything.
   


Well, I wanted to do that before, I start with a 'clean slate'.


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Re: [CGUYS] Audio File Conversion

2009-12-18 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall

It is limited.

I have an Olympus digital voice recorder and it makes compressed WMA files.

Audacity cannot open them.

I can use Nero wav editor and edit them, but not audacity.

Stewart

At 09:44 PM 12/18/2009, you wrote:

Don't think audacity does batch conversions.

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Tony B  wrote:

> Don't forget the good open source audio editor Audacity. However, it
> may be more trouble than you want just to convert a bunch of files.
> But if you need to edit the files at all it's actually quite good.

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Re: [CGUYS] Audio File Conversion

2009-12-18 Thread Stephen Brownfield

iTunes will convert .wav files to MP3.  I do not know if Flip4Mac can 
convert or save a .wma as an MP3, but that that is where I'd look for that.


Steve



Bill L'Hommedieu wrote:

On Dec 18, 2009, at 5:02 PM, mike wrote:


OS?

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Bill L'Hommedieu 
wrote:


I want to convert some .wma, .wav and au files to mp3. Any 
suggestions on a

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Re: [CGUYS] Audio File Conversion

Don't think audacity does batch conversions.


On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Tony B  wrote:

> Don't forget the good open source audio editor Audacity. However, it
> may be more trouble than you want just to convert a bunch of files.
> But if you need to edit the files at all it's actually quite good.
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Don't forget the good open source audio editor Audacity. However, it
may be more trouble than you want just to convert a bunch of files.
But if you need to edit the files at all it's actually quite good.


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Re: [CGUYS] Audio File Conversion

2009-12-18 Thread Bill L'Hommedieu


On Dec 18, 2009, at 5:02 PM, mike wrote:


OS?

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Bill L'Hommedieu  
wrote:


I want to convert some .wma, .wav and au files to mp3. Any  
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Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!


I thought you originally were in IT when you worked with mainframes?


I was an art major in college. I took programming [Fortran--Cobol might 
have been better for Y2K] because it looked like plotting and drawing 
would eventually be done on computers, and because artists are 
independent business people who need to know how to run their 
businesses. It was better than the course I took on Logic.


When I experimented briefly with the GE Genigraphics system 
, I used a 
terminal. I don't know where the mainframe was, but the output was in DC 
and it had to be shipped to Philly overnight. For other work, I used 
shared terminals in Philly and one mainframe was somewhere in Michigan, 
the other in Massachusetts.


Most of what I know about IT, support and networking I learned on my 
own, just like my friends did. I took an MCSE course several years ago, 
but decided I didn't want to do just tech support, especially for 
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Re: [CGUYS] "Right" computer OS [was: [CGUYS] Consternation...]

2009-12-18 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall


Unless you buy an emulator and then buy another OS no it wont.

At that point totally uneconomical.

Stewart



At 03:46 PM 12/18/2009, you wrote:


And you are still insisting that it won't run on a Mac? WFBs still
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Re: [CGUYS] Audio File Conversion

On OS X I've only used SoX...but I hear mplayer is good.  Google will guide
your way..

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 3:05 PM, mike  wrote:

> If it's for windows, I use xilisoft...
>
> http://download.cnet.com/Xilisoft-Audio-Converter/3000-2140_4-10580994.html
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 3:02 PM, mike  wrote:
>
>> OS?
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Bill L'Hommedieu 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I want to convert some .wma, .wav and au files to mp3. Any suggestions on
>>> a utility to get this done? Thanks.
>>> Bill L'Hommedieu
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Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!

Funny how the lefties like Tom who really *did* back stalin push him off on
others...

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 2:54 PM, tjpa  wrote:

> On Dec 18, 2009, at 2:23 PM, db wrote:
>
>> That is why OS's need to and will eventually get over their
>> proprietaryness and look and work essentially the same.
>>
>
> WFB paradise? WFBs dream of the day when Joe Stalin will rise again and
> command Soviet-style uniformity. Mac users will huddle in basements hoping
> to avoid the secret police.
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If it's for windows, I use xilisoft...

http://download.cnet.com/Xilisoft-Audio-Converter/3000-2140_4-10580994.html

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 3:02 PM, mike  wrote:

> OS?
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Bill L'Hommedieu 
> wrote:
>
>> I want to convert some .wma, .wav and au files to mp3. Any suggestions on
>> a utility to get this done? Thanks.
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You've already shown in the past you have no experience in this area, why
continue to pretend you do?   There was no version for OS X or Unix or
Linux.  The software costs were high, and it came with half a dozen in house
support staff for implentation/training.  I'm not talking about a ten user
print shop, I'm talking over 600 users, two locations, over a hundred
thousand patient records...

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 2:48 PM, tjpa  wrote:

> On Dec 18, 2009, at 2:34 PM, mike wrote:
>
>> I'm talking about environments that use massive databases, RAID'd servers,
>> hard enough to build something fast enough when it's local...cloud would
>> be
>> insane at this point.
>>
>
> Running such on anything other than UNIX would be insane.
>
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> point about their cluelessness.
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OS?

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> I want to convert some .wma, .wav and au files to mp3. Any suggestions on a
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On Dec 18, 2009, at 2:23 PM, db wrote:
That is why OS's need to and will eventually get over their  
proprietaryness and look and work essentially the same.


WFB paradise? WFBs dream of the day when Joe Stalin will rise again  
and command Soviet-style uniformity. Mac users will huddle in  
basements hoping to avoid the secret police.


In reality the future will be MacOS, Android, Palm, RIM, and a few  
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On Dec 18, 2009, at 2:11 PM, Stewart Marshall wrote:
But at present much specialized software is only available for  
Windows machines.


And you are still insisting that it won't run on a Mac? WFBs still  
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[CGUYS] Audio File Conversion

2009-12-18 Thread Bill L'Hommedieu

I want to convert some .wma, .wav and au files to mp3. Any  
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On Dec 18, 2009, at 2:34 PM, mike wrote:
I'm talking about environments that use massive databases, RAID'd  
servers,
hard enough to build something fast enough when it's local...cloud  
would be

insane at this point.


Running such on anything other than UNIX would be insane.

Watching IT try to run such with rinky-dink Windows sort of proves the  
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Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!

If their gains in the market is 'shooting themselves in the foot' God give
me that kind of gun.

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 1:56 PM, db  wrote:

> Yes "want" is involved but in a society where you are disadvantaged and
> uncool etc to not compute, it's not the determining factor.
>
> We can afford to pay for the oil or tire but few can afford to pay for a
> driver.
>
> Likewise with a computer.  Few can afford secretaries but they can afford
> to have someone fix their computer occasionally etc.
>
> Computers became ubiquitous when their OS's became reasonably intuitive /
> graphic so that everyman could "drive" themselves.
>
> Great leaps in intuitive design automatically are rewarded.
> That's why I think apple ... a pretty good interface on top of truly great
> computers ... is shooting itself in the foot by refusing to change some
> faults in their design that most all professionals will acknowledge exist
> ... and that would cause people to absolutely flock to their products ... as
> they have for the iPod and iPhone.
>
> db
>
>
> mike wrote:
>
>> Faulty logic...we all know how to drive cars because we want to go places.
>> Not because they are all the same.  By this logic everyone should know how
>> to change the oil or a tire...but they don't.
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 12:46 PM, db  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
 I think most kids will learn how to use both - at home and with friends,
 not so important at school anymore.  More important at school is
 learning how, why they work.  For too many people, computers are magic,
 like cars.  Therefore, when something behaves incorrectly, they have no
 clue.




>>> Do you know how to fix your car, the light switch in your house, how to
>>> do
>>> therapy on your knee, make your own jewelry or wall art, grow your own
>>> vegetables, raise your own chickens, file your own taxes, represent
>>> yourself
>>> in court?
>>>
>>> But everyone knows how to drive a car.   Why?  Because the controls ...
>>> except for Minis ... are all essentially the same design that time and
>>> need
>>> showed were more or less the most effective.
>>>
>>> As should be with the world's long running stupid "shoot ourselves in the
>>> foot" "Win vs. Mac's are better" contest.
>>> The modern world is way to specialized for everyone to be an expert of
>>> their universe ... a Renaissance Man.
>>>
>>> Specialization requires specialists ... and that makes "magic" for the
>>> rest
>>> of us. You just get to choose your specialty and your magic.
>>>
>>> db
>>>
>>>
>>>  Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message-
>>>
>>>
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Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!

Yes "want" is involved but in a society where you are disadvantaged and 
uncool etc to not compute, it's not the determining factor.


We can afford to pay for the oil or tire but few can afford to pay for a 
driver.


Likewise with a computer.  Few can afford secretaries but they can 
afford to have someone fix their computer occasionally etc.


Computers became ubiquitous when their OS's became reasonably intuitive 
/ graphic so that everyman could "drive" themselves.


Great leaps in intuitive design automatically are rewarded. 

That's why I think apple ... a pretty good interface on top of truly 
great computers ... is shooting itself in the foot by refusing to change 
some faults in their design that most all professionals will acknowledge 
exist ... and that would cause people to absolutely flock to their 
products ... as they have for the iPod and iPhone.


db

mike wrote:

Faulty logic...we all know how to drive cars because we want to go places.
Not because they are all the same.  By this logic everyone should know how
to change the oil or a tire...but they don't.

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 12:46 PM, db  wrote:

  

Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote:



I think most kids will learn how to use both - at home and with friends,
not so important at school anymore.  More important at school is
learning how, why they work.  For too many people, computers are magic,
like cars.  Therefore, when something behaves incorrectly, they have no
clue.


  

Do you know how to fix your car, the light switch in your house, how to do
therapy on your knee, make your own jewelry or wall art, grow your own
vegetables, raise your own chickens, file your own taxes, represent yourself
in court?

But everyone knows how to drive a car.   Why?  Because the controls ...
except for Minis ... are all essentially the same design that time and need
showed were more or less the most effective.

As should be with the world's long running stupid "shoot ourselves in the
foot" "Win vs. Mac's are better" contest.
The modern world is way to specialized for everyone to be an expert of
their universe ... a Renaissance Man.

Specialization requires specialists ... and that makes "magic" for the rest
of us. You just get to choose your specialty and your magic.

db


 Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message-


I suspect this is like anything..why can't they learn both?  There are
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Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!

Faulty logic...we all know how to drive cars because we want to go places.
Not because they are all the same.  By this logic everyone should know how
to change the oil or a tire...but they don't.

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 12:46 PM, db  wrote:

> Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote:
>
>> I think most kids will learn how to use both - at home and with friends,
>> not so important at school anymore.  More important at school is
>> learning how, why they work.  For too many people, computers are magic,
>> like cars.  Therefore, when something behaves incorrectly, they have no
>> clue.
>>
>>
> Do you know how to fix your car, the light switch in your house, how to do
> therapy on your knee, make your own jewelry or wall art, grow your own
> vegetables, raise your own chickens, file your own taxes, represent yourself
> in court?
>
> But everyone knows how to drive a car.   Why?  Because the controls ...
> except for Minis ... are all essentially the same design that time and need
> showed were more or less the most effective.
>
> As should be with the world's long running stupid "shoot ourselves in the
> foot" "Win vs. Mac's are better" contest.
> The modern world is way to specialized for everyone to be an expert of
> their universe ... a Renaissance Man.
>
> Specialization requires specialists ... and that makes "magic" for the rest
> of us. You just get to choose your specialty and your magic.
>
> db
>
>
>  Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message-
>> I suspect this is like anything..why can't they learn both?  There are
>> MUCH
>> larger problems with our eduction system than which OS to learn.  I'd
>> much
>> rather have them at a very young age begin to learn other languages, a
>> more
>> broadly based education in general will help them in many areas.
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Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote:

I think most kids will learn how to use both - at home and with friends,
not so important at school anymore.  More important at school is
learning how, why they work.  For too many people, computers are magic,
like cars.  Therefore, when something behaves incorrectly, they have no
clue.
  
Do you know how to fix your car, the light switch in your house, how to 
do therapy on your knee, make your own jewelry or wall art, grow your 
own vegetables, raise your own chickens, file your own taxes, represent 
yourself in court?


But everyone knows how to drive a car.   Why?  Because the controls ... 
except for Minis ... are all essentially the same design that time and 
need showed were more or less the most effective.


As should be with the world's long running stupid "shoot ourselves in 
the foot" "Win vs. Mac's are better" contest.
The modern world is way to specialized for everyone to be an expert of 
their universe ... a Renaissance Man.


Specialization requires specialists ... and that makes "magic" for the 
rest of us. 
You just get to choose your specialty and your magic.


db

Thank you, 
Mark Snyder 
-Original Message-

I suspect this is like anything..why can't they learn both?  There are
MUCH
larger problems with our eduction system than which OS to learn.  I'd
much
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Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!

The young will learn both and as they do proprietary designs will become 
meaningless and disappear like vestigial organs.


The power of proprietary designs is dividing the market for market share 
purposes.  Once they don't accomplish that mission they are just an 
expense to be unnecessarily maintained.


Not to mention that patent advantage will have likewise disappeared.

db

.mike wrote:

I suspect this is like anything..why can't they learn both?  There are MUCH
larger problems with our eduction system than which OS to learn.  I'd much
rather have them at a very young age begin to learn other languages, a more
broadly based education in general will help them in many areas.

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 6:10 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:

  

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Reid Katan  wrote:



And I suspect it'll be increasingly harder to find people who have *no*
experience with computers. So I would expect that most would have enough
experience to get *started* using a computer.
  

  But what is the "right" computer OS to learn?  Should school systems
teach students to use Windows and associated software because that is
what is preferred by most businesses?  That seems to currently be the
case as schools appear to be inching ever closer to being more like
trade and industry learning centers than institutions where one
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Re: [CGUYS] "Right" computer OS [was: [CGUYS] Consternation...]

I'm talking about environments that use massive databases, RAID'd servers,
hard enough to build something fast enough when it's local...cloud would be
insane at this point.

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Stewart Marshall <
revsamarsh...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> What he is talking about and what the software vendors do not do is make
> the programs in Windows format.
>
> With the advent of cloud software this may become the truth.
>
> But at present much specialized software is only available for Windows
> machines.
>
> I know in my own situation much of our specialized software is only
> available in Windows format.
>
> Stewart
>
>
>
> At 12:55 PM 12/18/2009, you wrote:
>
>  MYTH!
>>
>> IT keeps insisting that everyone will have to learn to speak Swedish.
>> Even when shown that the Mac works right out of the box they continue
>> to blather on.
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Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!

That is why OS's need to and will eventually get over their 
proprietaryness and look and work essentially the same.


db

phartz...@gmail.com wrote:

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Reid Katan  wrote:

  

And I suspect it'll be increasingly harder to find people who have *no*
experience with computers. So I would expect that most would have enough
experience to get *started* using a computer.



  But what is the "right" computer OS to learn?  Should school systems
teach students to use Windows and associated software because that is
what is preferred by most businesses?  That seems to currently be the
case as schools appear to be inching ever closer to being more like
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Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!

People think completely differently and have patience and time for 
different kinds of things.


I am constantly seeing  hoards of people who are "in the ditch" with 
their computer as soon as anything departs from the narrow path they 
have for email, browsing, uploading their pics to the camera etc..


Don't know how to change their browser home page, only go back and forth 
or close windows when browsing as their method of control, are using 
their "recents" as an addressbook, can't conceptualize what photosharing 
sites are or how to use them, have no idea of what the "cloud" is, have 
no apps on their iPhone and don't know how to put them there or use 
their iPhone for anything else but a phone and emailer (that the Apple 
store set up for them).


Most importantly... they are pretty much as "started" as they are ever 
going to be and never try to use the computer itself to help them figure 
out any issue or capability they encounter.  They have 0 aptitude and 
interest for figuring out the interface images they see.  Someone has 
shown them how to do this or that ... and that is pretty much where they 
remain.


These are the people who the GUI was invented for and these people now 
make up the majority of computer users in the US today.


These are the people who better intuitive window control and taskbars/ 
docks are meant for because they constantly are making their icons go 
"poof" etc.


Not for the people who know how to and do subscribe and participate in a 
Computerguys list.


Yes you and I know how to "start" on  most any computer related 
issue ...
But do we know what the rest of the world is about and what their 
limitations and needs are?

Or is that our prideful ignorance and our "limitation"?

db


Reid Katan wrote:

Quoting b_s-wilk :

And it's not complicated for you... you have long been an IT who  
loves to learn this stuff. The fact that IT people think and expect 
 everyone else to be like them is the big geek disconnect that the  
rest of the world wonders about and makes fun of.



I'm an artist who has been using Macs and PCs since they were invented,
workstations and mainframes before that. There were no classes, no IT,
no certifications, no third party books, no Internet [only BBS], only
friends, coworkers, user groups, some tech support, mostly from other
users and pros.


And I suspect it'll be increasingly harder to find people who have 
*no* experience with computers. So I would expect that most would have 
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Re: [CGUYS] "Right" computer OS [was: [CGUYS] Consternation...]

2009-12-18 Thread Stewart Marshall

What he is talking about and what the software vendors do not do is 
make the programs in Windows format.


With the advent of cloud software this may become the truth.

But at present much specialized software is only available for 
Windows machines.


I know in my own situation much of our specialized software is only 
available in Windows format.


Stewart


At 12:55 PM 12/18/2009, you wrote:


MYTH!

IT keeps insisting that everyone will have to learn to speak Swedish.
Even when shown that the Mac works right out of the box they continue
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Re: [CGUYS] "Right" computer OS [was: [CGUYS] Consternation...]

Right...just install that software you had built to run your million dollar
business on that mac...oh wait it's windows only...hmm

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:55 AM, tjpa  wrote:

> On Dec 18, 2009, at 1:20 PM, mike wrote:
>
>> There is also the fact of changing from windows to mac is huge and
>> difficult
>>
>
> MYTH!
>
> IT keeps insisting that everyone will have to learn to speak Swedish. Even
> when shown that the Mac works right out of the box they continue to blather
> on.
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On Dec 18, 2009, at 1:20 PM, mike wrote:
There is also the fact of changing from windows to mac is huge and  
difficult


MYTH!

IT keeps insisting that everyone will have to learn to speak Swedish.  
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Re: [CGUYS] "Right" computer OS [was: [CGUYS] Consternation...]

Case in point of rabid mac fan bois...

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:51 AM, tjpa  wrote:

> On Dec 18, 2009, at 1:20 PM, mike wrote:
>
>> I've been around enough IT managers and departments to know that this is
>> not
>> some huge conspiracy, it is only the mac faithful who believe they are
>> locked out of business because of IT departments trying to secure jobs.
>> This is ridiculous..I'm not saying it never happens, but it's not rampant.
>>
>
> It is rampant. Corporate IT fights tooth and nail to keep Macs out so that
> there will be no basis for comparison. In corporations that do have a mix
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Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner


On Dec 18, 2009, at 1:23 PM, mike wrote:

The idea is that there is a massive web of interlocked registry items,
depending on how adventurous you are will determine how deep you  
want to
clean.  Some registry cleaners will inform you that xx number of  
items are
not linked to ANYTHING and can be deleted, and xxx number MAY be  
linked to
active programs so you might want to keep them, or delete them.  As  
you
delete more and more, the program can determine which ones are in  
use and
which ones appear to be in use.  At least that's what I've taken  
away from

some registry cleaners.


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Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!


I thought you originally were in IT when you worked with mainframes?

db

b_s-wilk wrote:
And it's not complicated for you... you have long been an IT who 
loves to learn this stuff. The fact that IT people think and expect 
everyone else to be like them is the big geek disconnect that the 
rest of the world wonders about and makes fun of.





I'm not in IT.

I'm an artist who has been using Macs and PCs since they were 
invented, workstations and mainframes before that. There were no 
classes, no IT, no certifications, no third party books, no Internet 
[only BBS], only friends, coworkers, user groups, some tech support, 
mostly from other users and pros.


I've mostly worked alone or in small studios with long-distance 
clients. We had to help each other figure out how to do what we 
needed, including drawing, painting, illustrating, photo retouching, 
camera, layout, prepress, audio, video, networking. We learned it on 
our own and provided tech support for each other.


When your work depends on knowing the software and hardware, you do 
whatever you can to learn how to use it. Thank goodness for friends 
and computer user groups. They've been most helpful. So has curiosity 
and patience, especially patience.


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Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com - Officers Warned of Flaw in U.S. Drones in 2004

Watch out Tom, the wingnuts on your socialist side like Dean are screaming
about voting down the HCR bill.  And than there are the wingnuts in Russia
who say their climate data was deleted from the reports...and those greedy
bankers?  Yah...the big O paid em off.

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:41 AM, tjpa  wrote:

> On Dec 18, 2009, at 10:52 AM, Rev. Stewart A. Marshall wrote:
>
>> Title: WSJ.com - Officers Warned of Flaw in U.S. Drones in 2004
>>
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> Headline: Wingnuts Unite to Distract America from Health Care, Climate
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Re: [CGUYS] "Right" computer OS [was: [CGUYS] Consternation...]


On Dec 18, 2009, at 1:20 PM, mike wrote:
I've been around enough IT managers and departments to know that  
this is not

some huge conspiracy, it is only the mac faithful who believe they are
locked out of business because of IT departments trying to secure  
jobs.
This is ridiculous..I'm not saying it never happens, but it's not  
rampant.


It is rampant. Corporate IT fights tooth and nail to keep Macs out so  
that there will be no basis for comparison. In corporations that do  
have a mix the difference in the number of support people per user is  
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On Dec 18, 2009, at 10:52 AM, Rev. Stewart A. Marshall wrote:

Title: WSJ.com - Officers Warned of Flaw in U.S. Drones in 2004


Headline: Wingnuts Unite to Distract America from Health Care, Climate  
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Re: [CGUYS] "Right" computer OS [was: [CGUYS] Consternation...]

I've been around enough IT managers and departments to know that this is not
some huge conspiracy, it is only the mac faithful who believe they are
locked out of business because of IT departments trying to secure jobs.
This is ridiculous..I'm not saying it never happens, but it's not rampant.
I've worked in a lot of doctors offices with billing, patient records etc
and there is simple no mac support in that field.  There is also the fact of
changing from windows to mac is huge and difficult..one of the offices I
worked in went from CLI terminals into windows over a decade ago...when macs
were dying, before Jobs came back and shook things up.  They have made huge
investments years ago that they are still benefiting from, this is where you
get the millions of XP users.  It's not like you can simple take away the
windows box and plug in a mac and it works.

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:07 AM, b_s-wilk  wrote:

>
>
> You seem to forget that Windows is "preferred" by businesses partly because
> that's what the IT department prefers--and the CIO doesn't know any better.
> IT wants Windows because it guarantees more IT jobs, while businesses that
> use Macs need fewer support jobs [or none]. Doesn't matter which OS is the
> best tool for the job at hand, or TCO.
>
> Our local school system uses both Macs and Windows PCs. Microsoft gave
> large grants and donations to schools for them to use Windows exclusively.
> Lots of the teachers I know [my husband is a teacher] use Macs at home and
> Windows at school. Several teachers in local elementary and secondary
> schools have set up Mac networks in their classrooms using donated computers
> and ones purchased through fundraisers.
>
> The "right" OS to learn is multiple, since jobs could use any one or more.
> Children are flexible. They can learn quickly. As long as schools don't
> teach that one OS is the best [none are best], and that the tool should
> match the task [and if it doesn't, they can figure out how to "make it
> fit"], the kids will be fine.
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Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner

The idea is that there is a massive web of interlocked registry items,
depending on how adventurous you are will determine how deep you want to
clean.  Some registry cleaners will inform you that xx number of items are
not linked to ANYTHING and can be deleted, and xxx number MAY be linked to
active programs so you might want to keep them, or delete them.  As you
delete more and more, the program can determine which ones are in use and
which ones appear to be in use.  At least that's what I've taken away from
some registry cleaners.

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:11 AM, tjpa  wrote:

> On Dec 18, 2009, at 12:29 PM, Tony B wrote:
>
>> I can't recall seeing that happen since the old Win9x days. As I
>> recall we had this discussion back then - to wit, if [this or that]
>> registry cleaner is so great, why does it keep telling you more and
>> more things need to be "cleaned"? Either that item needs to be cleaned
>> or it doesn't. It's absurd to think that items are hiding behind other
>> items and can't be seen until you move the object from in front of it.
>> This is software, not furniture.
>>
>
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>
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Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner


On Dec 18, 2009, at 11:55 AM, mike wrote:

Do you lean towards a specific one?


I have used several over the years, including a free one that M$ used  
to make available. They all seemed to do the job well enough.


Currently I use Registry First Aid, which is not free.


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Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner


On Dec 18, 2009, at 12:29 PM, Tony B wrote:

I can't recall seeing that happen since the old Win9x days. As I
recall we had this discussion back then - to wit, if [this or that]
registry cleaner is so great, why does it keep telling you more and
more things need to be "cleaned"? Either that item needs to be cleaned
or it doesn't. It's absurd to think that items are hiding behind other
items and can't be seen until you move the object from in front of it.
This is software, not furniture.


I already knew that you did not understand this.

Now everybody knows.


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[CGUYS] "Right" computer OS [was: [CGUYS] Consternation...]


phartz...@gmail.com escribió:


And I suspect it'll be increasingly harder to find people who have *no*
experience with computers. So I would expect that most would have enough
experience to get *started* using a computer.


  But what is the "right" computer OS to learn?  Should school systems
teach students to use Windows and associated software because that is
what is preferred by most businesses?  



You seem to forget that Windows is "preferred" by businesses partly 
because that's what the IT department prefers--and the CIO doesn't know 
any better. IT wants Windows because it guarantees more IT jobs, while 
businesses that use Macs need fewer support jobs [or none]. Doesn't 
matter which OS is the best tool for the job at hand, or TCO.


Our local school system uses both Macs and Windows PCs. Microsoft gave 
large grants and donations to schools for them to use Windows 
exclusively. Lots of the teachers I know [my husband is a teacher] use 
Macs at home and Windows at school. Several teachers in local elementary 
and secondary schools have set up Mac networks in their classrooms using 
donated computers and ones purchased through fundraisers.


The "right" OS to learn is multiple, since jobs could use any one or 
more. Children are flexible. They can learn quickly. As long as schools 
don't teach that one OS is the best [none are best], and that the tool 
should match the task [and if it doesn't, they can figure out how to 
"make it fit"], the kids will be fine.


Betty


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Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner

I can't recall seeing that happen since the old Win9x days. As I
recall we had this discussion back then - to wit, if [this or that]
registry cleaner is so great, why does it keep telling you more and
more things need to be "cleaned"? Either that item needs to be cleaned
or it doesn't. It's absurd to think that items are hiding behind other
items and can't be seen until you move the object from in front of it.
This is software, not furniture.

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 10:27 AM, tjpa  wrote:
> My experience is quite the opposite. After cleaning the registry the PC
> starts up faster, the desktop draw faster, explorer windows appear faster,
> and there is a sweet fragrance in the air. I once had a Windows PC where
> files dragged into the trash would immediately pop back to their previous
> location, the registry cleaner fixed it.
>
> Note that you will usually need to run the cleaner several times as each
> pass seems to reveal more crap.

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Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner

Do you lean towards a specific one?

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 8:27 AM, tjpa  wrote:

> On Dec 18, 2009, at 8:25 AM, Tony B wrote:
>
>> But note that, while you should probably have it installed anyway,
>> "cleaning" your registry
>> isn't likely to solve any system problems you may be having. I rarely
>> ever run the registry cleaner, preferring to just let the old junk lie
>> quietly where it doesn't bother anything.
>>
>
> My experience is quite the opposite. After cleaning the registry the PC
> starts up faster, the desktop draw faster, explorer windows appear faster,
> and there is a sweet fragrance in the air. I once had a Windows PC where
> files dragged into the trash would immediately pop back to their previous
> location, the registry cleaner fixed it.
>
> Note that you will usually need to run the cleaner several times as each
> pass seems to reveal more crap.
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Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!

2009-12-18 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)

I sometimes wear a tee shirt I got years ago from Sun that says, "No, I
will not fix your computer" in bold lettering.

Thank you, 
Mark Snyder
-Original Message-
And they rant and they rave about how awful the machine is.  Not 
realizing it is something they did to make it behave that way.

I have that occur around me all the time.

My simple answer is stop what you are doing.  Unless you want to 
learn how to fix it yourself, stop the ranting and the raving, I will 
not work on it.  (Wife and children)


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Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!

2009-12-18 Thread Stewart Marshall

And they rant and they rave about how awful the machine is.  Not 
realizing it is something they did to make it behave that way.


I have that occur around me all the time.

My simple answer is stop what you are doing.  Unless you want to 
learn how to fix it yourself, stop the ranting and the raving, I will 
not work on it.  (Wife and children)


Stewart


At 09:59 AM 12/18/2009, you wrote:

I think most kids will learn how to use both - at home and with friends,
not so important at school anymore.  More important at school is
learning how, why they work.  For too many people, computers are magic,
like cars.  Therefore, when something behaves incorrectly, they have no
clue.

Thank you,
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Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner


On 12/18/2009 7:30 AM, Reid Katan wrote:
Do you have a broken registry, or do you just want to tidy up a bit? 
Have you looked a Crap Cleaner? It'll tidy up without cost. I don't 
know that it'll fix a broken registry. It'll also do a bunch of other 
stuff.


Sorry. Don't have a link, but The Google knows.
I have been having trouble with my computer and, wanted to clean out the 
registry of excess.



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Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!

2009-12-18 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)

I think most kids will learn how to use both - at home and with friends,
not so important at school anymore.  More important at school is
learning how, why they work.  For too many people, computers are magic,
like cars.  Therefore, when something behaves incorrectly, they have no
clue.

Thank you, 
Mark Snyder 
-Original Message-
I suspect this is like anything..why can't they learn both?  There are
MUCH
larger problems with our eduction system than which OS to learn.  I'd
much
rather have them at a very young age begin to learn other languages, a
more
broadly based education in general will help them in many areas.


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[CGUYS] WSJ.com - Officers Warned of Flaw in U.S. Drones in 2004

2009-12-18 Thread Rev. Stewart A. Marshall

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Here is the WSJ take on this whole subject.

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Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!


On Dec 18, 2009, at 8:10 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:

But what is the "right" computer OS to learn?  Should school systems
teach students to use Windows and associated software because that is
what is preferred by most businesses?  That seems to currently be the
case as schools appear to be inching ever closer to being more like
trade and industry learning centers than institutions where one
receives a more broadly based education.


The students on a voc-ed track should probably get trained on Windows.  
School boards who give Windows to the academic track students should  
be promptly voted out of office. Anyone who watches any PBS will  
constantly see interviews with successful people in the arts and  
sciences who will almost always have a Macintosh somewhere in the  
background. Parents should be screaming at those bozos "You are  
denying the opportunity for my child to win a Nobel Prize!"



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Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner


On Dec 18, 2009, at 8:25 AM, Tony B wrote:
But note that, while you should probably have it installed anyway,  
"cleaning" your registry

isn't likely to solve any system problems you may be having. I rarely
ever run the registry cleaner, preferring to just let the old junk lie
quietly where it doesn't bother anything.


My experience is quite the opposite. After cleaning the registry the  
PC starts up faster, the desktop draw faster, explorer windows appear  
faster, and there is a sweet fragrance in the air. I once had a  
Windows PC where files dragged into the trash would immediately pop  
back to their previous location, the registry cleaner fixed it.


Note that you will usually need to run the cleaner several times as  
each pass seems to reveal more crap.



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Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!

I suspect this is like anything..why can't they learn both?  There are MUCH
larger problems with our eduction system than which OS to learn.  I'd much
rather have them at a very young age begin to learn other languages, a more
broadly based education in general will help them in many areas.

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 6:10 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Reid Katan  wrote:
>
> > And I suspect it'll be increasingly harder to find people who have *no*
> > experience with computers. So I would expect that most would have enough
> > experience to get *started* using a computer.
>
>   But what is the "right" computer OS to learn?  Should school systems
> teach students to use Windows and associated software because that is
> what is preferred by most businesses?  That seems to currently be the
> case as schools appear to be inching ever closer to being more like
> trade and industry learning centers than institutions where one
> receives a more broadly based education.
>
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Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner

2009-12-18 Thread Michael Wosnick

I use Wise Registry Cleaner (under Vista). They have a pay-for "pro" version 
and a totally free one. No obligation of the latter to the former.

http://www.wisecleaner.com/download.html

Another one you can check out that I have also used very easily and without 
problem is TweakNow

http://www.tweaknow.com/RegCleaner.php

Michael






From: Reid Katan 
To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Sent: Fri, December 18, 2009 7:30:06 AM
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner

Quoting Christopher Range :

> I need a freeware registry cleaner, THAT IS NOT going to tell me that I
> need to pay to repair the registry and/or, force me to buy some other
> product I don't need(which is a devious way of making someone pay for
> something that is claimed to be free).

Do you have a broken registry, or do you just want to tidy up a bit? Have you 
looked a Crap Cleaner? It'll tidy up without cost. I don't know that it'll fix 
a broken registry. It'll also do a bunch of other stuff.

Sorry. Don't have a link, but The Google knows.


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Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner

Ya, ccleaner is the way to go
(http://www.filehippo.com/download_ccleaner/). But note that, while
you should probably have it installed anyway, "cleaning" your registry
isn't likely to solve any system problems you may be having. I rarely
ever run the registry cleaner, preferring to just let the old junk lie
quietly where it doesn't bother anything.


>> I need a freeware registry cleaner, THAT IS NOT going to tell me that I
>> need to pay to repair the registry and/or, force me to buy some other
>> product I don't need(which is a devious way of making someone pay for
>> something that is claimed to be free).
>
> Do you have a broken registry, or do you just want to tidy up a bit? Have
> you looked a Crap Cleaner? It'll tidy up without cost. I don't know that
> it'll fix a broken registry. It'll also do a bunch of other stuff.


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Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!

2009-12-18 Thread phartz...@gmail.com

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Reid Katan  wrote:

> And I suspect it'll be increasingly harder to find people who have *no*
> experience with computers. So I would expect that most would have enough
> experience to get *started* using a computer.

  But what is the "right" computer OS to learn?  Should school systems
teach students to use Windows and associated software because that is
what is preferred by most businesses?  That seems to currently be the
case as schools appear to be inching ever closer to being more like
trade and industry learning centers than institutions where one
receives a more broadly based education.

  Steve

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Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner

2009-12-18 Thread Reid Katan


Quoting Christopher Range :


I need a freeware registry cleaner, THAT IS NOT going to tell me that I
need to pay to repair the registry and/or, force me to buy some other
product I don't need(which is a devious way of making someone pay for
something that is claimed to be free).


Do you have a broken registry, or do you just want to tidy up a bit?  
Have you looked a Crap Cleaner? It'll tidy up without cost. I don't  
know that it'll fix a broken registry. It'll also do a bunch of other  
stuff.


Sorry. Don't have a link, but The Google knows.


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