Re: [CGUYS] Rootkits and earlier request for help from Gail
Apparently Apple has known about this flaw in BSD Unix for around 5 months. Lots of other UNIX based platforms and applications have patched it and Apple is one of the last hold outs. Bad on them. Good thing that they aren't the OS from Redmond with the giant 'Kick Me" sign on their back. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Rootkits and earlier request for help from Gail
You got me...I figured all the money I've tossed at Apple would hide me. On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 12:01 AM, t.piwowar wrote: > On Jan 13, 2010, at 11:50 PM, mike wrote: > >> Again missing the point.. >> > > No I get your point. You are an attack dog and apologist for M$. I don't > expect your posts to make sense. > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Rootkits and earlier request for help from Gail
On Jan 13, 2010, at 11:50 PM, mike wrote: Again missing the point.. No I get your point. You are an attack dog and apologist for M$. I don't expect your posts to make sense. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Why Not Be Evil?
Verizon has a history of this, one of the reasons I didn't go with them. One of my conversations with Verizon store rep a few months back: 'Hang on...I buy this phone with a built in GPS chip but I can't turn that chip on unless I pay you an extra fee every month *after* already buying the phone?' On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 10:06 PM, Robert Michael Abrams wrote: > At 06:08 PM 1/13/2010, Tom Piwowar wrote: > > "Owners of the BlackBerry Storm 2 and other Verizon smartphones woke up >> one day last week to find that they could no longer specify a preferred >> search services in the Search box on the BlackBerry's browser. It's >> Microsoft Bing or nothing. (The BlackBerry used to offer Google, Wikipedia >> and others.)" >> > > I don't own, and have never owned, a Blackberry, so let me see if I've > got this straight. I spend $150 or so for a decently-featured Blackberry, > which I can't use unless I first activate it by agreeing, up front, to spend > another $70 to $100 per month for the next year or three. And, after > spending all that money, SOMEBODY ELSE decides what my search engine is or > isn't. Is that it? Have I got it? > > Can I see a show of hands of everybody who thinks that this is the > last, really, no shit, really, the LAST time that Verizon is going to job > it's digital customers in this fashion. > > Bob > > I'm on the case, from outer space! > > OK > End > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 270.14.138/2618 - Release Date: 01/13/10 > 07:35:00 > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > > > > > > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Why Not Be Evil?
At 06:08 PM 1/13/2010, Tom Piwowar wrote: "Owners of the BlackBerry Storm 2 and other Verizon smartphones woke up one day last week to find that they could no longer specify a preferred search services in the Search box on the BlackBerry's browser. It's Microsoft Bing or nothing. (The BlackBerry used to offer Google, Wikipedia and others.)" I don't own, and have never owned, a Blackberry, so let me see if I've got this straight. I spend $150 or so for a decently-featured Blackberry, which I can't use unless I first activate it by agreeing, up front, to spend another $70 to $100 per month for the next year or three. And, after spending all that money, SOMEBODY ELSE decides what my search engine is or isn't. Is that it? Have I got it? Can I see a show of hands of everybody who thinks that this is the last, really, no shit, really, the LAST time that Verizon is going to job it's digital customers in this fashion. Bob I'm on the case, from outer space! OK End * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 270.14.138/2618 - Release Date: 01/13/10 07:35:00 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Why Not Be Evil?
According to the source, MS beat Google just barely in trying to make the same deal. As Pogue says...just one more reason to hate Verizon. On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 7:08 PM, t.piwowar wrote: > Verizon’s New Motto: Why Not Be Evil? > Pogue’s Posts Blog - NYTimes.com > > > "Just in case you were starting to feel a little warmth toward Verizon > after a couple days of astonishment over the way it responded to the Federal > Communications Commission. . ." > > > > "Owners of the BlackBerry Storm 2 and other Verizon smartphones woke up one > day last week to find that they could no longer specify a preferred search > services in the Search box on the BlackBerry’s browser. It’s Microsoft Bing > or nothing. (The BlackBerry used to offer Google, Wikipedia and others.)" > > > > "Why? Because Microsoft paid Verizon $500 million" > > > > > http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/22/verizons-new-motto-why-not-be-evil/ > > > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Rootkits and earlier request for help from Gail
Again missing the point.. On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 6:30 PM, t.piwowar wrote: > On Jan 13, 2010, at 11:37 AM, mike wrote: > >> I'm wondering how this could be? Tom said Apple writes perfect code... >> > > Mike still can't tell the difference between a vulnerability and an > exploit. > > No need to hyperventilate. Secunia rates this a 2... > > http://secunia.com/advisories/38066/ > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Why Not Be Evil?
Verizon’s New Motto: Why Not Be Evil? Pogue’s Posts Blog - NYTimes.com "Just in case you were starting to feel a little warmth toward Verizon after a couple days of astonishment over the way it responded to the Federal Communications Commission. . ." "Owners of the BlackBerry Storm 2 and other Verizon smartphones woke up one day last week to find that they could no longer specify a preferred search services in the Search box on the BlackBerry’s browser. It’s Microsoft Bing or nothing. (The BlackBerry used to offer Google, Wikipedia and others.)" "Why? Because Microsoft paid Verizon $500 million" http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/22/verizons-new-motto-why-not-be-evil/ * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] An internet pioneer rethinks his position
On Jan 13, 2010, at 12:43 PM, Constance Warner wrote: But, basically, if authors (and other creators) don't get paid, there will be much less of the good stuff for you to enjoy, whether you download it for free or pay $24.95 for a new hardcover edition in a bookstore. The creator typically gets such a small fraction of that $24.95 that it may be an inconsequential loss. For example, some bands have figured out that they can make lots of money on performances and trinket sales. It is an old story... Robert owes half to Grenville Who in turn gave half to Larry Who adored my instrumentals And so he gave half to a foreign publisher She took half the money that was earned in some far distant land Gave back half to Larry and I end up with half of goodness knows what Oh can somebody explain why things go on this way I thought they were my friends I can't believe it's me, I can't believe that I'm so green Eyes down round and round let's all sit and watch the moneygoround Everyone take a little bit here and a little bit there Do they all deserve money from a song that they've never heard They don't know the tune and they don't know the words But they don't give a damn There's no end to it I'm in a pit and I'm stuck in it The money goes round and around and around And it comes out here when they've all taken their share I went to see a solicitor and my story was heard and the writs were served On the verge of a nervous breakdown I decided to fight right to the end But if I ever get my money I'll be too old and grey to spend it Oh, but life goes on and on and no one ever wins And time goes quickly by just like the moneygoround I only hope that I'll survive * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] bug
On Jan 13, 2010, at 8:30 PM, Jordan wrote: Now the first result is the mail-archive for computerguys. A shame that it was not one of our brighter moments. Did that computer ever get fixed? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Rootkits and earlier request for help from Gail
On Jan 13, 2010, at 11:37 AM, mike wrote: I'm wondering how this could be? Tom said Apple writes perfect code... Mike still can't tell the difference between a vulnerability and an exploit. No need to hyperventilate. Secunia rates this a 2... http://secunia.com/advisories/38066/ * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] bug
Cool! Now the first result is the mail-archive for computerguys. Google is watching. On 1/2/10 2:48 PM, John DeCarlo wrote: On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Christopher Rangewrote: The address shown with the link, after the search, is not the address that comes up in the URL Locator, when clicking on the link. You claimed this earlier, but provided no evidence. Without any evidence, your answers to my questions are also suspect. Try this Google search: panjandrum continental Click on the first result, described as "a" Continental Army And tell us where you end up. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] OK Computer Mavens likes dislikes
I would qualify for a free filing but I prefer to have all the info with me and on me!!! (In other words I do not like it sitting in Intuits hands) I know plenty of guys who pay to have their taxes done each and every year, and they probably take advantage of some loopholes that I do not. Being a full time minister I do fall into some special categories so I have to make sure it knows and takes care of that. A colleague of mine just went through an audit this past year and he used an accountant! (Turns out there were problems.) Final answer is always take responsibility for your taxes. It is stupid not to. But the tax programs should also be audited by the IRS for correctness. Stewart PS you can buy audit protection from Intuit for extra money, but I would expect them to stand behind their product anyway. I know pipe dream! At 01:44 PM 1/13/2010, you wrote: Hey, guys. Each of these "canned" programs have plusses and minuses. And, I would venture that some (very famous) users deliberately choose packages that have defects they wish to exploit. Their defense- TurboTax made me do it, TaxCut said I could. The recent episodes have now exposed that as BS and I doubt they (our politicians) will try that again. If your taxes are simple, then either one will do. If you are self-employed, then there could be a preference, but really a practitioner (Yes, this recipient is one) is far more experienced and knowledgeable to develop queries that are NOT canned- and knows what can and can't be done, to really save you money. Likewise, with corporate taxes, there are issues that the standard interview will fail. Remember (go ahead, attack me), JacksonHewitt, H&R Block, etc. may have ONE licensed or knowledgeable practitioner- but the rest of the lot in their employ- the ones you are going to get to see- are generally not. You pays your money and you takes your choice. Or, better yet Caveat emptor. Eschew Obfuscation This is a reply from: Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] OK Computer Mavens likes dislikes
Hey, guys. Each of these "canned" programs have plusses and minuses. And, I would venture that some (very famous) users deliberately choose packages that have defects they wish to exploit. Their defense- TurboTax made me do it, TaxCut said I could. The recent episodes have now exposed that as BS and I doubt they (our politicians) will try that again. If your taxes are simple, then either one will do. If you are self-employed, then there could be a preference, but really a practitioner (Yes, this recipient is one) is far more experienced and knowledgeable to develop queries that are NOT canned- and knows what can and can't be done, to really save you money. Likewise, with corporate taxes, there are issues that the standard interview will fail. Remember (go ahead, attack me), JacksonHewitt, H&R Block, etc. may have ONE licensed or knowledgeable practitioner- but the rest of the lot in their employ- the ones you are going to get to see- are generally not. You pays your money and you takes your choice. Or, better yet Caveat emptor. Eschew Obfuscation This is a reply from: Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. Financial, Managerial, and Technical Services for the Professional, Non-Profit, and the Entrepreneurial Organization 703.548.1343 voice 703.783.1340 fax >From thinking to doing, from sales to profits, from tax to investments- we are YOUR adjuvancy -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of mike Sent: 01/13/2010 2:09 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] OK Computer Mavens likes dislikes I'd stay away from Turbo Tax, I doubt you'll get the...understanding Geitner got after cheating on his taxes if you make a 'mistake'. On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Stewart Marshall < revsamarsh...@earthlink.net> wrote: > I am getting ready to purchase my tax software for taxes. > > Pro cons on Turbo Tax versus Tax act? > > I have been using Turbo taxes for a few years (I used to use Parsons Tax > Edge) > > I know they usually rate out close to each other. > > But I want to see what you all think of both of them. > > Stewart > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] OK Computer Mavens likes dislikes
I've used TurboTax for years. It works, mostly. Aren't some of the websites doing a lot of this for free now? On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Stewart Marshall wrote: > I am getting ready to purchase my tax software for taxes. > > Pro cons on Turbo Tax versus Tax act? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] OK Computer Mavens likes dislikes
I'd stay away from Turbo Tax, I doubt you'll get the...understanding Geitner got after cheating on his taxes if you make a 'mistake'. On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Stewart Marshall < revsamarsh...@earthlink.net> wrote: > I am getting ready to purchase my tax software for taxes. > > Pro cons on Turbo Tax versus Tax act? > > I have been using Turbo taxes for a few years (I used to use Parsons Tax > Edge) > > I know they usually rate out close to each other. > > But I want to see what you all think of both of them. > > Stewart > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] OK Computer Mavens likes dislikes
I am getting ready to purchase my tax software for taxes. Pro cons on Turbo Tax versus Tax act? I have been using Turbo taxes for a few years (I used to use Parsons Tax Edge) I know they usually rate out close to each other. But I want to see what you all think of both of them. Stewart * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] An internet pioneer rethinks his position
Those literature types can pound sand. On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Constance Warner wrote: > What happens to my field--fantasy and science fiction--if nobody, or next > to nobody, gets paid for producing it? No great loss, the Great Literature > types would probably say; but in the long run, the Mainstream Literature > types are going to be worse off than us. The SF community has adapted to > some degree to the online world; there are a few markets where you can get > paid for online content. Online publishers of fantasy and science fiction > are scrambling to find ways to pay for it; a few of them have been > (moderately) successful. > > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] An internet pioneer rethinks his position
I'm not saying there aren't serious issues for creators concerning being paid for their hard work. I think however the solution is not the mob style tactics of old from the likes of the RIAA and MPAA. The point of entry for a new musician has all at once become insanely easy and dangerous...insanely easy to upload their music so anyone can hear it, but how to make money on their work when it can be pirated? Bands have other avenues of income like touring, authors on the other hand would have a harder time, I think what keeps them alive now and hopefully in the future is the peoples love for BOOKS. The old fashioned kind you can touch and smell and of course read. On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Constance Warner wrote: > Well, we all know that the RIAA is nuts. But the problems you > cite--disappearance of paper books and Big Brother controlling the > officially received version of history--are there too. > > And the basic problem for me is still: if you write something, do you, or > do you not, get paid when someone consumes it? In the long run, if you pay > for something, you get more of it. If you don't pay for it, that item > becomes scarce and/or deteriorates in quality. What happens to my > field--fantasy and science fiction--if nobody, or next to nobody, gets paid > for producing it? No great loss, the Great Literature types would probably > say; but in the long run, the Mainstream Literature types are going to be > worse off than us. The SF community has adapted to some degree to the > online world; there are a few markets where you can get paid for online > content. Online publishers of fantasy and science fiction are scrambling to > find ways to pay for it; a few of them have been (moderately) successful. > > But what happens when SF, and serious literature, is produced--and > published--exclusively by wealthy amateurs who alone have the leisure to > produce books--or book-length projects? What happens when your favorite > author can't write that next book you're eagerly awaiting, because he/she > has to take a part-time extra job at Home Depot to make up for the income > the book would have provided? (To take one case I know of). > > The situation isn't all bleak--there are good things in the Internet > revolution as well as bad. (And mainstream publishing is no rose garden, > either.) But, basically, if authors (and other creators) don't get paid, > there will be much less of the good stuff for you to enjoy, whether you > download it for free or pay $24.95 for a new hardcover edition in a > bookstore. > > --Constance Warner > > On Jan 13, 2010, at 11:55 AM, mike wrote: > > I was thinking while reading this...some, if this were Dick Cheney type of >> a >> guy would be saying well now he's just being paid off by big Music and >> Movies. By the end that's what this seems to become, a collaboration >> editorial about the evils of music piracy. I think there are larger >> issues >> on the web they don't touch on...the various projects of scanning books >> frightens me because in 50 years or 100 will there be any paper books? >> Will >> one company or government have access to history and be able to edit it to >> their will as easily as we edit office docs? He decries the lack of >> punishment of music pirates, I can't seem to bring myself to care when >> drunk >> drivers can kill and pay less than someone who downloaded 24 songs. 1.9 >> million for 24 songs...when is the last time anyone saw someone pay like >> that for almost ANY crime? >> >> There are real issues with piracy of intellectual property, but cases like >> the 2 million dollar fine make most dismiss piracy because those on the >> other side are so crazy about punishment. >> >> >>> >>> A provocative article in Tuesday's Science Times (the New York Times >>> Science pages, http://www.nytimes.com/pages/science/): >>> "The Madness of Crowds and an Internet Delusion" by John Tierney >>> >>> >>> * >>> ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** >>> ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** >>> * >>> >>> >> >> * >> ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** >> ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** >> * >> > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** Li
Re: [CGUYS] An internet pioneer rethinks his position
Well, we all know that the RIAA is nuts. But the problems you cite-- disappearance of paper books and Big Brother controlling the officially received version of history--are there too. And the basic problem for me is still: if you write something, do you, or do you not, get paid when someone consumes it? In the long run, if you pay for something, you get more of it. If you don't pay for it, that item becomes scarce and/or deteriorates in quality. What happens to my field--fantasy and science fiction--if nobody, or next to nobody, gets paid for producing it? No great loss, the Great Literature types would probably say; but in the long run, the Mainstream Literature types are going to be worse off than us. The SF community has adapted to some degree to the online world; there are a few markets where you can get paid for online content. Online publishers of fantasy and science fiction are scrambling to find ways to pay for it; a few of them have been (moderately) successful. But what happens when SF, and serious literature, is produced--and published--exclusively by wealthy amateurs who alone have the leisure to produce books--or book-length projects? What happens when your favorite author can't write that next book you're eagerly awaiting, because he/she has to take a part-time extra job at Home Depot to make up for the income the book would have provided? (To take one case I know of). The situation isn't all bleak--there are good things in the Internet revolution as well as bad. (And mainstream publishing is no rose garden, either.) But, basically, if authors (and other creators) don't get paid, there will be much less of the good stuff for you to enjoy, whether you download it for free or pay $24.95 for a new hardcover edition in a bookstore. --Constance Warner On Jan 13, 2010, at 11:55 AM, mike wrote: I was thinking while reading this...some, if this were Dick Cheney type of a guy would be saying well now he's just being paid off by big Music and Movies. By the end that's what this seems to become, a collaboration editorial about the evils of music piracy. I think there are larger issues on the web they don't touch on...the various projects of scanning books frightens me because in 50 years or 100 will there be any paper books? Will one company or government have access to history and be able to edit it to their will as easily as we edit office docs? He decries the lack of punishment of music pirates, I can't seem to bring myself to care when drunk drivers can kill and pay less than someone who downloaded 24 songs. 1.9 million for 24 songs...when is the last time anyone saw someone pay like that for almost ANY crime? There are real issues with piracy of intellectual property, but cases like the 2 million dollar fine make most dismiss piracy because those on the other side are so crazy about punishment. A provocative article in Tuesday's Science Times (the New York Times Science pages, http://www.nytimes.com/pages/science/): "The Madness of Crowds and an Internet Delusion" by John Tierney * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * ** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** ** *** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] An internet pioneer rethinks his position
John Tierney is a columnist--writing opinion pieces--not a book reviewer. His intent is to provide editorial commentary. You can find more of his New York Times opinion pieces, as well as a discussion forum about this article, online. On Jan 13, 2010, at 11:22 AM, Tony B wrote: One of the worst book reviews I've read in a long time. Quickly devolves into some sort of editorial. A provocative article in Tuesday's Science Times (the New York Times Science pages, http://www.nytimes.com/pages/science/): "The Madness of Crowds and an Internet Delusion" by John Tierney ** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** ** *** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] An internet pioneer rethinks his position
I was thinking while reading this...some, if this were Dick Cheney type of a guy would be saying well now he's just being paid off by big Music and Movies. By the end that's what this seems to become, a collaboration editorial about the evils of music piracy. I think there are larger issues on the web they don't touch on...the various projects of scanning books frightens me because in 50 years or 100 will there be any paper books? Will one company or government have access to history and be able to edit it to their will as easily as we edit office docs? He decries the lack of punishment of music pirates, I can't seem to bring myself to care when drunk drivers can kill and pay less than someone who downloaded 24 songs. 1.9 million for 24 songs...when is the last time anyone saw someone pay like that for almost ANY crime? There are real issues with piracy of intellectual property, but cases like the 2 million dollar fine make most dismiss piracy because those on the other side are so crazy about punishment. On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Tony B wrote: > One of the worst book reviews I've read in a long time. Quickly > devolves into some sort of editorial. > > > > A provocative article in Tuesday's Science Times (the New York Times > Science pages, http://www.nytimes.com/pages/science/): > > > > "The Madness of Crowds and an Internet Delusion" by John Tierney > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Rootkits and earlier request for help from Gail
http://www.dailytech.com/Code%20Posted%20Online%20Takes%20Advantage%20of%20Mac%20OS%20X%20Flaw/article17357.htm I'm wondering how this could be? Tom said Apple writes perfect code...there are no errors. Looks like everyone writes a defective os...just like I said. And this security flaw was alerted to Apple in June...and they still haven't fixed it.So with defective software out there...why again is OS X safe from attacks? Could it be because it's such a small target? http://securityreason.com/securityalert/6932 I like the part that says 'victim interaction required: No' On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 12:13 PM, One Man wrote: > One word: Skylab > > Back when M$ was creating this mess I was yelling about it almost every > month and contrasting it with what others were doing. M$ built a system > where everything could link to everything else ... > > > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > > > > > > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] An internet pioneer rethinks his position
One of the worst book reviews I've read in a long time. Quickly devolves into some sort of editorial. > A provocative article in Tuesday's Science Times (the New York Times Science > pages, http://www.nytimes.com/pages/science/): > > "The Madness of Crowds and an Internet Delusion" by John Tierney * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] WIN7 declared nearly safe
A funny to start your morning. This is the gold standard for M$ OS readiness. http://www.seattlepi.com/fun/comic.asp?feature_id=Fast_Track&feature_date=2010-01-12 -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] An internet pioneer rethinks his position
Not surprising, he is also a musician (which neither confirms nor invalidates his opinion). - Original Message From: Constance Warner To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 12:55:07 AM Subject: [CGUYS] An internet pioneer rethinks his position A provocative article in Tuesday's Science Times (the New York Times Science pages, http://www.nytimes.com/pages/science/): "The Madness of Crowds and an Internet Delusion" by John Tierney Internet pioneer Jaron Lanier is having second thoughts about the brave new world of the Internet, for example: "His new book, "You Are Not a Gadget," is a manifesto against 'hive thinking' and 'digital Maoism,' by which he means the glorification of open-source software, free information and collective work at the expense of individual creativity...He acknowledges the examples of generous collaboration, like Wikipedia, but argues that the mantras of 'open culture' and 'information wants to be free' have produced a destructive new social contract. "'The basic idea of this contract,' he writes, 'is that authors, journalists, musicians and artists are encouraged to treat the fruits of their intellects and imaginations as fragments to be given without pay to the hive mind. Reciprocity takes the form of self-promotion. Culture is to become precisely nothing but advertising...Creative people--the new peasants--come to resemble animals converging on shrinking oases of old media in a depleted desert...'" Mr. Lanier, once an advocate for piracy but now one of its strongest critics, argues that the ability of consumers to copy music and other artistic products without paying for them--or adequately compensating the artists in any other way--has effectively frozen music and other arts in their pre-digital format. He asserts that most of the acts that have done well by selling t-shirts on the Web, or offering downloads for what the consumer wants to pay for them, were actually well established before music and other arts were fully digital and downloadable. Denied meaningful compensation for their efforts, artists have little reason to put out anything really new and different, and new groups have a much harder time getting established. Food for thought. --Constance Warner * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
