Tom Piwowar wrote:
Yes we all know that Stewart and his neighbors, clinging to their guns
and religion, hold the monopoly on righteousness.
No, No! Those people are my neighbors here in PA.
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Tom Piwowar wrote:
This list is not about being stupid.
Damn! I knew I was in the wrong place!
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If you do some research, or just watch the more informative news
programs, you will find out that tax cuts do little or nothing to
stimulate the economy. (and certainly nothing for people without jobs)
Check this graph:http://flickr.com/photos/9818...@n03/3232223191/
Infrastructure, whether
Not to mention the trillion and a half thrown away on a useless elective
war which has inflamed the Middle East, that even Bush senior wasn't
belligerent enough to get into!
gerald wrote:
did you post this during the bush adm?
why you out of the woodwork today?
compare this mess to the bush
Tom Piwowar wrote:
did you write ugly letters to the wsj and scream bluddy murder when they
cheered on the trillion dollar dump to the wall street big banks?
You forgot to mention those bundles of $100 bills that were tossed around
with wild abandon (and no records kept).
Hey, if
The 700B TARP was intended ONLY to rescue the entire financial system
so that the whole economy wouldn't collapse, and, as bad as things are
now and may worsen, it has served that purpose. And the participants
received LOANS, at hefty interest rates, which have a good chance of
being repaid.
Thank-you Tom,
But honestly, I don't know why you bother with these guys. I know it is
the duty of the informed to push back against the ignorant, especially
after the disaster of the last 8 years, but where do you find the patience?
Tom Piwowar wrote:
Tax cuts are not spending. The money
Steve at Verizon wrote:
Tom,
I think you are misusing the term neocon. Most of what you disagree
with the right on are conservative principles, such as minimal
government.
Neocons are a special breed of folks, who used to be liberal, but
switched to being conservative (hence the neo)
Tom Piwowar wrote:
Of course it wasn't the home sellers and home buyers. They're just
innocent bystanders.
For the most part they are. Most people know less about buying real
estate than they know about buying computers. Just look at how many
people buy Windows because somebody told
I apologize to those who are sick of seeing non-computer stuff here.
I've mentioned before, the common knowledge that the people in countries
there the taxes are high tend to feel more satisfied with life. So I dug
up an article and a study to with charts and graphs that show this.
One talks
John Emmerling wrote:
Some general observations (I make some assertions without proof, feel free
to provide contradictory data):
1.) Compared to other western countries, Americans are significantly more
religious. Religious folk seem to see life's problems as being between
themselves and
Google was broken for a while this morning:
http://tinyurl.com/brkao8
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Matthew Taylor wrote:
On Jan 31, 2009, at 12:05 PM, Jordan wrote:
John Emmerling wrote:
Some general observations (I make some assertions without proof,
feel free
to provide contradictory data):
1.) Compared to other western countries, Americans are
significantly more
religious
Tom Piwowar wrote:
It was a natural (and expected) correction to an artificially inflated
market. Plenty of blame to go around. But, you go right ahead with your
banker fetish.
Once again you cherry pick examples and omit the critical part of the big
picture.
The major part of the
Giving a poor person a hand up becomes income
redistribution.
This reminds me of a fact that few of us in the US seem to grasp: When
the poor can do better and thrive, it benefits society as a whole.
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I think you are agreeing with me, but I'm not sure what countries you
are referring to.
Not that you need my endorsement, but one of the things that the truly
religious have traditionally done is provide help for the poor.
As You Have Done Unto the Least of These, You Have Done Unto Me
Then
Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
Tom the factory this is happening at is 60 miles from me.
It is more than just lax government. It is lack of regulation. GREED
again because the company did not care about the product it sent out.
It has come to light that the company had a shipment rejected by
I just downloaded a doc from the Fannie Mae web sit called q12008.pdf
and was able to cut and paste freely.
The pdf download add-on for Firefox would not open it in Firefox but
Preview on Mac OS X had no problem.
gerald wrote:
it is a document of public record the FannieMae 10Q(quarterly
And everybody still seems to be ignoring the fact that tax cuts are
about the least effective way to help the economy.
Chris Dunford wrote:
l...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of Steve at Verizon
I have no complaint with a progressive tax system.
The difference is that in the past we collected
No problem copying and pasting with Preview.
Interesting!
gerald wrote:
link
http://www.fanniemae.com/ir/pdf/earnings/2008/q32008.pdf
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Tom Piwowar wrote:
And everybody still seems to be ignoring the fact that tax cuts are
about the least effective way to help the economy.
One of my first posts likened tax cuts to spreading money around
randomly, with no purpose.
Tom Piwowar wrote:
If you remember, in 2006, Iraq was at its worst. Highest US and Iraqi
casualties, general concensus (at least on the left) that Iraq was in a
civil war. Harry Reid stated that the war was lost. The left was
vehement about giving up on this mess and leaving the Iraqis to just
If anyone is interested in a well documented and easy read, with lots of
graphs, about the recovery after 1933, go here:
http://bonddad.dailykos.com/
Scroll down to The Great Depression, Pt. I - IV
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Palin is great for the media because she's such a wacko. It seems to me
that if you aren't aware of that, then you just aren't paying attention.
Specifically, you mentioned small government. If you go here:
http://tinyurl.com/cyn3o5
and look for an article starting with Palin As Reformer, you
As far as Palin's religion goes, check out this article:
http://tinyurl.com/6rwm5y
It's called Palin's Movement Urges 'Godly' To 'Plunder' Wealth of The
'Godless'
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Matthew S. Taylor wrote:
And now you reference the Huff Po? Do you read anything that is not
an organ of the left?
Everything I gave a link to had links to generally well researched
articles sighting points of fact. Research things down to the facts. The
fact speak for themselves.
Sounds
Matthew S. Taylor wrote:
McCain was never in the least bit tempting for me (due to his
attitudes toward mere free speech and such) until he picked Palin.
Then I seriously thought about voting for her for her small government
views in spite of her cultural conservatism.
All I can say is WOW!!
I don't understand. Sorting by thread in Thunderbird keeps every subject
separate. Am I missing something?
Ralph wrote:
I have two gmail accounts - my regular one that I download into
Thunderbird, and this one that I read online. Since the online Gmail
interface collates messages by Subject
b_s-wilk wrote:
Medium-sized family-owned farms are the most efficient in the
long-run. They get fewer subsidies [by %] than the large factory
farms. Mid-sized farms not only have high yields, they also protect
the land, with farmers living on the farms, unlike corporate farms.
Corporate
I've been using Audio HiJack and Fission from RogueAmoeba for years and
it seems like good stuff to me. You could check it out:
http://www.rogueamoeba.com/fission/
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Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
Many of us religious types do not identify with their so-called
religious beliefs.
They claim religious underpinning but are not really religious.
Hence, the ironic speculations during the Bush years about who would
Jesus torture or what would Jesus drive.
Maybe
Mike Sloane wrote:
I have an office with an 8-port Ethernet router on a broadband cable
connection. I have been requested the ability to provide some wireless
capability temporarily (for outside auditors). I have a spare 4-port
wired/wireless Linksys broadband router, and I was wondering if I
I am experimenting with WPA wireless security on my D-Link router. I
thought it was working but then it stopped incoming or outgoing email.
Web browsing was still working well. Email worked again when I shut
security off.
I have not seen anything yet that addresses problems or any particular
B1suncat wrote:
Does WPA security close ports for mail? Different ports for secure email -- in,
port 995 (SSL), out 587/465 (TLS/SSL) for TBird server settings.
Betty
Sent from my iPod Touch
Well, you are just so cool!
I'll keep reading up on what it might do as far as messing with
Tom Piwowar wrote:
I am experimenting with WPA wireless security on my D-Link router. I
thought it was working but then it stopped incoming or outgoing email.
Web browsing was still working well. Email worked again when I shut
security off.
You need to find out what your router does
Thank you Betty, db, Vicky, and others. It's good to read the thoughts
of some more true patriots here.
A distillation of what Betty referred to regarding Raygun and his
methods occurs now:
the way things work on the right blogosphere, some radical winger will
say something twisted or half
Tom Piwowar wrote:
No WPA and ports are distinct. WPA should not mess with email, ports
certainly can. I should mention that some ISPs block the standard email
prots, so you have to use special non-standard ports they designate.
Security for such ports woule need to be set up manually.
Steve at Verizon wrote:
You keep forgetting that we do not elect a president by popular vote.
Get the Constitution changed if you want it that way. And it was 7
Justices who overruled the Fla Supreme Courts decision (The 5-4 vote
was for remanding it back to them).
Oh, OK. It's better if
Jeff Miles wrote:
I'm hardly as in the know as either Tom or Jeff W, but my
experience has been, contrary to all the hype it gets, gmail is very
unreliable. Thankfully I only have one address hooked to them and my
mail program checks it at the same time it checks all the others.
Gmail
Matthew Taylor wrote:
Now we get to the heart of the matter. Crooked = disagrees with your
position.
Got it.
Please try to resist the impulse to say such ignorant things.
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Thank you Chris,
Unless a person is actually broadminded, curious, or both, they won't
look at a site like MM and see for them selves what we are talking
about. If they are not broadminded or curious they'll resort to knee
jerk responses and never look or understand, no matter how many times
Thanks for all the input.
The problems I have experienced are of little or no consequence so far.
I was just tinkering with router security to gain a better understanding
of it. Now it seems likely that the problem was not with the router at all.
If indeed the problem is totally with gmail, it
Matthew Taylor wrote:
I have not seen MM's take on Obama's support of infaticide, but it is
real. I have read the original bill. I have read the final bill
after it was modified to meet Obama's and other's objections. At the
end of the day it was legal in Illinois for living infants to be
views they already
hold, it's disconcerting to spend time challanging ones own views, this is a
human trait, not a left or right wing one.
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Jordan jor17...@gmail.com wrote:
Thank you Chris,
Unless a person is actually broadminded, curious, or both, they won't
Jeff Wright wrote:
libertarians
There are many fine elements to the libertarian point of view.
They are also the party of I've got mine, screw you way of thinking.
That is not what this country should be about and it would be disastrous
in our current economic situation.
Maybe you've
Ray Rheault wrote:
I've concluded after reading through this thread that you may be (and there are plenty of
contenders) the winner of the Legend in His Own Mind award. I congratulate
you.
Well put Ray!
The way this discussion died reminds me of a conversation at a picnic
of my wife's
Vicky Staubly wrote:
On Fri, 13 Feb 2009, mike wrote:
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/natural_resources/article3207311.ece
That's a ridiculous headline (World Not Running Out Of Oil). I can
see World Not Running Out Of Oil As Quickly As Predicted, or even
Also, the evacuated tube solar collectors you can get now are much more
efficient at extracting energy from the sun than pv collectors. They
don't make electricity but they are great for home and hot water
heating. I've seen them producing fairly hot water on a cloudy day.
Check it out:
db wrote:
Can you buy those 65 mpg clean diesels in the US? Who makes them... VW?
No, you can't.
Google 65 mpg clean diesels to see articles.
I saw articles on a Ford, and a Mini, and a VW.
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Some time ago, there was discussion on the list about getting
rechargeable batteries rebuilt. I can't remember if anyone came up with
a link to such a service.
My wife came upon a web site by a guy named Kevin Kelly that I've been
checking out. (http://kk.org/) He has a section called cool
Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
This is a better video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju6t-yyoU8s
The Hummer was originally designed for the Military and off road use.
It has a wider track and was not really designed for civilian use on
the highway. (In other words, it was not made to be a
Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
It also allowed GM to manufacture and produce the variations called
Hummer 2 and Hummer 3 (I think) which were based on civilian frames
etc. (The Tahoe) Some were manufactured where I grew up in Shreveport
LA GM Plant which made the S-10/Canyon (Hummer 3).
The
I've been having a problem using a printer on a network.
The printer, a Canon ip6600, is connected to a Macbook Pro running 10.5
and the other Macs running 10.4, see that printer in Print and Fax in
System Preferences. The Macbook runs the printer normally and is set to
share the printer, but
OK, I downloaded and installed a new driver from Canon on one of the
computers and at least it's talking directly to the printer and
printing. But the one my wife uses would not even run her text editing
programs after trying to print from them and having to force quit them.
She won't let me
OK, installing the new driver fixed everything.
I still don't understand why it needed a new driver.
Thanks for all your help!
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I've tinkered with this a few times. I don't know how good it is
compared to anything else, but it does help and it's free.
Obviously, the learner has to be online when they are using it.
http://sense-lang.org/typing/
db wrote:
Does anyone have any experience with the various touch typing
I can't believe this has gone on so long.
This was a dumb ad, based on the thinnest of premises, designed to lure
the simplest of sheeple.
katan wrote:
She wanted a Mac? In a *Microsoft* commercial? I believe the point of
her going to an Apple store was to show that there isn't much choice
Please tell me where you have read that American autos are high quality.
Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
I think the answer to this one is similar to one I have seen for
decades. YMMV (Your Mileage May Vary)
Consumer Reports would always knock and rate US produced Autos all the
time. The only
I've been a car nut all my life and been reading about cars in
newspapers, Road and Track, Car and Driver, and Consumer Reports for 40
years. I've owned around 15, and driven and ridden in a couple dozen
more. I'm sure many or most people disagree with me but my perception is
that as far as
and ratings on
line.
Jordan
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can look at reviews on the NY times web site and others.
Jordan
trac...@aol.com wrote:
I am going to need to buy a new digital video camcorder. With the advent of
USB 3.0 on the horizon, does anyone have a time frame for when this
interface will be in usage on camcorders? I don't want
Yes! When I saw that I was reminded of some results of a speed test I
saw a year or two ago that showed that a Mac ran Windows faster than the
Dell, HP and other Windows machines in the test.
phartz...@gmail.com wrote:
Just saw another new Windows ad on TV. No Lauren. A guy this time.
He
Tom Piwowar wrote:
G says Macs are all about esthetics and proves he isn't by selecting a
really ugly computer. Like Lauren's, the computer he selects is huge, not
what most people today think of as a laptop. It is really a compact
desktop. Does not look like something a picky person would buy.
mike wrote:
..all the other users are just
sitting around saying, apple who? They know who Apple is, it's just not on
their radar .
Is that the definition of cluelessness or ignorance?
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Speaking of all this: I thought I found somewhere in Firefox (I think it
was an about:config setting) that tells the page to scroll to where ever
I click in the scroll bar. Sort of a scroll to here.
I can't find this setting now. Could I be mistaken? Does Firefox do this
by default? I'd like to
I was wrong. The setting is in OSX System Preferences/Appearance. I
wonder why it doesn't work on Seamonkey?
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David K Watson wrote:
This is a very common tactic of yours, claiming because Tom hasn't
said something about a behavior that he is condoning it. In the first
place this is an invalid argument. In the second place, why do you
want Tom to be the arbiter of other people's behavior on this list?
Chris Dunford wrote:
This is intolerable.
Yes! What an outrage!
If I were you I'd quit this list!
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Chris Dunford wrote:
This is intolerable.
Yes! What an outrage!
If I were you I'd quit this list!
I hope Tom never calls you a liar when you aren't. You might feel differently.
Honestly, I think you've been a bit thin skinned and over-reactive on
this. Or maybe angry and a
I have a Nikon Coolpix 5700. I still like to use a viewfinder most of
the time, but one of the very cool things about this Nikon is that the
display folds out and swivels like a camcorder display. This allows the
user to hold the camera at the waist or where ever and view the display.
This
Exchange-Outlook? EEEK!
(just kidding)
cguys mail goes to my cguys folder in Thunderbird. It's safely there to
read when I am not doing things in the physical world. You know, that
place on the other side of that door.
Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote:
In my Exchange-Outlook mailbox, I set up
:
Jordan [jor17...@gmail.com] wrote:
... one of the very cool things about this Nikon is that the
display folds out and swivels like a camcorder display. This allows the
user to hold the camera at the waist or where ever and view the
display
Again, just looking quickly, here is the most recent Canon I came upon
with the swing out display. This is a link to an extensive review. Click
on the categories at the top:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canonsx1is/page2.asp
George Carr wrote:
Jordan [jor17...@gmail.com] wrote:
... one
I like AudioHijack Pro from http://www.rogueamoeba.com/ for recording.
I don't know anything about microphones.
Bill L'Hommedieu wrote:
I'm seeking recommendations for a microphone and recording software to
make
Mp3 files. G4, Tiger.
Thanks
Bill L'Hommedieu
I'm hoping this doesn't spur a lot of nastiness again, but this is a big
reason why Mac owners tend to feel more warmly about their computers.
Rev. Stewart A. Marshall wrote:
Apple is the only company to receive a 'good' rating in a Forrester Research
customer satisfaction survey, followed by
Here's a recent camera from Canon for $400 with that feature:
http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoActfcategoryid=144modelid=17630
George Carr wrote:
Thanks for the info. Seems like a very nice camera but maybe a little too high-end for my needs. What I should do is get one
Eric S. Sande wrote:
Obama so far has done nothing but take my money.
But less of it than Bush.
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Maybe? You're not sure?
I agree that the bank bailout, initiated by the Bush administration, is
bad and was done badly. But history has shown that the only way out of
the kind of economic hole that the Bushies have dug us into is to spend.
The people are tapped out, so the only one who can
We use the Verizon prepay. Same deal as far as paying $100 and and the
minutes don't expire for a year. Good service and good coverage,
important since I'm out in the boonies most of the time. It's our only
long distance service so it took 6 or 7 months to go through those minutes.
The most
mike wrote:
For most users it's not about ideaology, it's about what works.
You are describing Tom and Mac users in general
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We've used all the methods you describe, and sometimes still use the
10-10 #s. My wife used to use the cards from Costco, but she says big
chunks of minutes would disappear, so she became suspicious of them.
We actually make so few calls that it's not a big deal. But I'll look
into services
Tony B wrote:
Actually, Silverlight is supposed to be an alternative to Adobe's
ubiquitous Flash. In fact, it's the *only* alternative, as nobody else
has even attempted to offer one. I thought you were all opposed to
monopolies and all in favor of alternatives?
Are you naive or just making
Generally when a Mac does not see a network it has joined before and
sees a new network, It will simply ask you if you want to join the new
network.
I suggest you call Apple and have them help you with your settings. If
someone has messed with the settings or if your router is acting funny,
it
I too have seen and heard nothing but amazing things about training from
Apple.
But I think they might be able to continue their training service even
with the increased volume. I bet a lot of people don't make maximum use
of their available training time they pay for, and it gets people back
Chris Dunford wrote:
You write this condescending BS, but can't understand why people think
Mac users are elitist?
Certain elements of society like to take words that mean perfectly good
things and twist their usage into something undesirable.
What the heck is wrong with being elite?
Actually, it's pretty amusing.
And the indignant outrage is hilarious.
And by the way: Windows?. clean install?they should not
be in the same paragraph.
mike wrote:
Vile? Really? Is that like you calling someone a thief or someone else a
gaybasher? Grow up, Tom. Your
and
delicious that many people actively seek to return to it, again and
again. Moreover, as Westin et.al. have found, this trait crosses all
boundaries of ideology.2
mike wrote:
Jordan, stop being an asshole. Is that funny enough?
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 5:06 PM, Jordan jor17...@gmail.com wrote
Please ask yourself why you reacted so radically? What is so threatening
to you?
Did you read it? You are making Brin's point.
Jeff Wright wrote:
No. You've made, what is for you, the short trip from amusing to very sad.
For an interesting take on behavior and self-righteous indignation;
My Mac has the one that ends with 631. There are 9 others. All beginning
with tcp4 or tcp6.
I haven't found anywhere that talks about this stuff yet.
Alvin Auerbach wrote:
Here's what happened; what does it mean?
Macintosh:~ Alvin$ netstat -an | grep LISTEN
tcp6 0 0
can't have TCP/IP without one or more. The
presence of listeners, by itself, has no bearing on how secure the computer
is.
On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Jordan jor17...@gmail.com wrote:
My Mac has the one that ends with 631. There are 9 others. All beginning
with tcp4 or tcp6.
I haven't found
Do you know where info can be found about what is in the firewall log?
I have enable firewall logging and enable stealth mode checked and allow
only essential services checked.
I'm curious. Not concerned.
Tom Piwowar wrote:
I would put it a little differently. The security of the listeners is
I'm opening up a G5 iMac that turned out to have a fatal glitch. A
couple years ago I might have mentioned this problem iMac. After taking
it to Apple a few times they sent me a new Intel iMac and didn't even
want the G5 back.
So I've finally opened it up on this rainy day to get the hard drive
Also, there's a referb 20 iMac on the Apple site for $800.
Tom Piwowar wrote:
He does not need this computer for anything related to his work. I
have said it before here, and once again it has happened. A computer
purchase is being predicated upon the erroneous and paranoid concept
that
We had a brief mention of the quality of American cars Vs foreign some
time ago. Here is a blog writer who makes some good points:
http://www.oftwominds.com/blogmay09/bigthree05-09.html
This lack of durability of the Big Three vehicles receives almost no
visibility. The fact that a car made by
That was my experience. The 17 MacBook Pro I got last year is a refurb
and was indistinguishable from a new Mac. No evidence that it had ever
been touched.
Tom Piwowar wrote:
Also, there's a referb 20 iMac on the Apple site for $800.
I have found that Apple refurbs are very close to
What do you think Norton is doing for you? Norton is notoriously quirky.
The first thing I would do is get rid of Norton and all vestiges of it.
Then restart, and reinstall Appleworks.
Then let us know if there is still a problem.
My wife still uses Appleworks and had a problem with it
.
Stephen Brownfield wrote:
Jordan,
I don't know where my brother got Norton. I feel the same
way as you do and haven't used it since OS 10.1/10.2. I will talk
with about the printer driver, because I believe that he does have a
Canon printer
First thing that comes to mind is to see if Firefox is clearing data
when you quit it. You might also check your settings for the Gmail page.
I rarely use it so I'm not very familiar with the settings there.
Jeffrey Myers wrote:
When I'm using Gmail in Firefox, I *always* get these messages
I noticed this at Macrumers.com:
The Chromium web browser project which serves as the basis for Google's
Chrome has started releasing early builds of the Mac version. While not
complete, the builds work well enough to get an impression of the
browser. CNet took a quick look at a build:
The
While it _can_ be interesting to discuss hypotheticals and philosophy,
you can also look at actual studies of society. It's all the rage in
this country to rave about our high taxes, but one can read about what
studies show a healthy society looks like.
This is the latest study by the OECD
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