Re: [CGUYS] Apple Now #1

[Jeff Wright]

> >No, he means "disc", as in CD or DVD.  Talking about backing it up.
> 
> I would never do that.
> 
> I back up to disk, not disc. The days of disc are nearly gone.

That's a very premature assumption.

USB flash drives are far too unreliable for anything other than
sneaker-netting.  (One of my users just lost her entire masters' thesis on
one, despite my warnings to her not to do that.)  CD-Rs and DVD-Rs are still
good options for quick and easy backups and would have saved her thesis for
less than a quarter.

External hard drives and online backups are viable options for backup as
well, but each medium has its deficiencies that another usually overcomes.
Use them all and you have a rock solid backup solution.

That said, I rarely, if ever, backup my music to disc.  That's the purview
of hard drives, if no other reason other than capacity.  At last count, it's
replicated on 4 drives: 1 in the main computer downstairs, 1 drive in the
upstairs computer, 1 external hard drive and 1 more at work that serves as
an offsite archive as well as storage for listening to my music while at
work.  And there's still the original CDs, which never get played any
longer.

If I were a little less cheap, I'd use Mozy as well, but I just stick to its
free service for my regular data.


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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Now #1

[Tom Piwowar]

>No, he means "disc", as in CD or DVD.  Talking about backing it up.

I would never do that.

I back up to disk, not disc. The days of disc are nearly gone.


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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Now #1

[John DeCarlo]

On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >Ironically, one of the first things you should do with digitally
> >purchased music is copy it to a disc. Hmm.
>
> You mean "disk"?
>
> What else would you have us do with it?
>

No, he means "disc", as in CD or DVD.  Talking about backing it up.

I'm pretty sure it is on your disk after downloading it.

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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Now #1

[Tom Piwowar]

>Ironically, one of the first things you should do with digitally  
>purchased music is copy it to a disc. Hmm.

You mean "disk"?

What else would you have us do with it?


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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Now #1

[Jeff Wright]

I don't.  It lives on my computers and MP3 players.

In the bad ol' days of DRM, I refused to buy crippled music; I went to the
used CD store instead.  Now that I can buy it and do anything I want with
it, I love buying digital music.  No waiting, no tax or shipping costs.
Literally, instant gratification.

> -Original Message-
> Ironically, one of the first things you should do with digitally
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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Now #1

[mike]

Why?

On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 6:31 AM, John McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Ironically, one of the first things you should do with digitally purchased
> music is copy it to a disc. Hmm.
>
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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Now #1

[Richard P.]

It's all part of the hidden costs which have gradually been shifted over 
to the consumer. Permanent copies of manuals, statements, and CD's which 
used to be included with the product, are now having to be recreated by 
each individual consumer. How's that for efficiency?


Richard P.





Which will eventually put WalMart in third place. Selling music on discs
is so over.


Ironically, one of the first things you should do with digitally 
purchased music is copy it to a disc. Hmm.






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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Now #1

[John McDonald]

On Apr 5, 2008, at 3:46 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote:
Which will eventually put WalMart in third place. Selling music on  
discs

is so over.


Ironically, one of the first things you should do with digitally  
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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Now #1

[mike]

Yeah that part about the label is sort of what matters.  The other part is
that EMI, the label that is DRM free on Apple is also on Amazon...as well as
Universal.  For quite a bit less.  Has Apple got any other support for DRM
free songs other then EMI, I haven't heard anything since that announcement?

Mike

On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>
> Only some of iTunes is DRM. While you were not paying attention Apple
> made a major push to eliminate DRM and make it clear to all that DRM is
> only used when required by the record label.
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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Now #1

[Tom Piwowar]

>Selling DRM'd music is over...Apple just doesn't know it yet.  If it can't
>change the contracts it has with the major labels I think the trend will
>start to change away from Apple.  I'm not talking weeks or months but over
>the next year or more.

Only some of iTunes is DRM. While you were not paying attention Apple 
made a major push to eliminate DRM and make it clear to all that DRM is 
only used when required by the record label.


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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Now #1

[mike]

Selling DRM'd music is over...Apple just doesn't know it yet.  If it can't
change the contracts it has with the major labels I think the trend will
start to change away from Apple.  I'm not talking weeks or months but over
the next year or more.

Mike

On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >A good thing, no doubt, but the article isn't clear on what it is
> measuring:
>
> Whatever it is measuring, the trend is clear. If you prefer a different
> measure just wait a month or two and it will exceed on that measure too.
>
> >Look for Amazon, which has only been on-line for 5 months, to become a
> major
> >player soon
>
> Which will eventually put WalMart in third place. Selling music on discs
> is so over.
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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Now #1

[Tom Piwowar]

>A good thing, no doubt, but the article isn't clear on what it is measuring:

Whatever it is measuring, the trend is clear. If you prefer a different 
measure just wait a month or two and it will exceed on that measure too.

>Look for Amazon, which has only been on-line for 5 months, to become a major
>player soon

Which will eventually put WalMart in third place. Selling music on discs 
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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Now #1

[Jeff Wright]

> www.reuters.com/article/internetNews/idUSWNAS680520080403
> 
> That may drive the last nail into the RIAA's coffin.

A good thing, no doubt, but the article isn't clear on what it is measuring:

"Apple said its announcement was based on consumer data collected in January
and February by market research firm NPD that counted 12 songs being equal
to one CD.

In February, NPD said iTunes overtook Best Buy Co and Target Corp in 2007 to
become the No. 2 U.S. music seller.

Apple, which makes iPod media players, Macintosh computers and the iPhone,
said iTunes had 50 million customers who had bought more than 4 billion
songs since the store opened five years ago."

Number of customers? Songs available? Songs purchased? All of the above?

Look for Amazon, which has only been on-line for 5 months, to become a major
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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Now #1

[Jeff Wright]

 
> And he gave some good ol' anti-Apple DRM FUD, too, considering many
> songs (maybe a majority or all now -- I haven't looked), are available
> at higher bit rates with no DRM from iTunes.

Michael--You may want to read what I wrote again.  Nowhere did I say
anything about DRM, mostly because I wasn't sure of the status of Apple's
DRMed music.  Buy yeah, yet another reason to buy somewhere else.  *All* of
Amazon's music is DRM-free and encoded at 256 bits.

QuickTime, which you have to get to get iTunes, has been patched for
exploits, *again.*  The Quicktime patches are coming as fast as Flash
patches now and it's tiresome to have to update an app this often.  Amazon
doesn't make its customers (focus on that word for a second) jump through
these needless and insecure hoops.

I look at this as I would with an obnoxious car dealer that slaps it's name
on the back of the car that you just bought from them.   No thanks.  I'll go
to the Amazon lot down the street that doesn't try to get free advertising
off of you as you drive down the road.

> It may still depend on the
> music company since Apple has to work with those companies to deal with
> all these rights issues, but the fact is one can get higher quality
> non-
> DRMed music from iTunes. It's the companies that want the DRM. Apple is
> indifferent to it, as state by Jobs in an open letter concerning DRM.
> To
> insinuate differently is bull.

Right, 'ol St. Steve once again leads the way to the path of enlightenment;
a standard feature of iBull.  

Many people were publicly calling for DRM-less music long before Jobs got
into the act and Apple was very aggressive in protecting the FairPlay DRM
turf that the iTunes Store uses, suing companies that tried to reverse
engineer it and modifying the scheme to void the hacks.  Jobs and Apple
actively defended DRM, so long as it protected their vertical, closed market
of iPod and iTunes and it was to their benefit.  Once the market had other
and better options, Apple suddenly got religion on DRM.

DRM was a bad idea from Day One, (which I said as much a while back, to
which you vigorously disagreed) but that didn't stop Apple from happily
latching onto it as a business model.


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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Now #1

[mike]

Yes.  Since apple released Safari for windows.

Mike

On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 7:51 PM, b_s-wilk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> While I use and enjoy iTunes, I too am annoyed at all the pre-checked
> > software add-ons that come with the updates. Now they are pushing
> > Safari downloads even though I don't have, use or want Safari (wasn't
> > Safari part of the Apple Hack?). For every update, I have to go
> > through and un-check what I don't want.
> >
> > While pre-checked add-ons are obviously becoming a trend with more
> > and more company's software downloads/updates, I thought Apple would
> > show a bit more class than to jump on the band-wagon.
> >
>
> I've been using iTunes since it was first released and have never seen any
> pre-checked add-ons with the installations/updates. iTunes does have
> reminders for updates when they're available, but it's only iTunes
> application and nothing extra. Are add-ons a Windows thing?
>
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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Now #1

[b_s-wilk]

While I use and enjoy iTunes, I too am annoyed at all the pre-checked
software add-ons that come with the updates. Now they are pushing
Safari downloads even though I don't have, use or want Safari (wasn't
Safari part of the Apple Hack?). For every update, I have to go
through and un-check what I don't want.

While pre-checked add-ons are obviously becoming a trend with more
and more company's software downloads/updates, I thought Apple would
show a bit more class than to jump on the band-wagon.


I've been using iTunes since it was first released and have never seen 
any pre-checked add-ons with the installations/updates. iTunes does have 
reminders for updates when they're available, but it's only iTunes 
application and nothing extra. Are add-ons a Windows thing?


Betty


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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Now #1

[Richard P.]

While I use and enjoy iTunes, I too am annoyed at all the pre-checked 
software add-ons that come with the updates. Now they are pushing Safari 
downloads even though I don't have, use or want Safari (wasn't Safari 
part of the Apple Hack?). For every update, I have to go through and 
un-check what I don't want.


While pre-checked add-ons are obviously becoming a trend with more and 
more company's software downloads/updates, I thought Apple would show a 
bit more class than to jump on the band-wagon.


Richard P.



The last version of itunes I installed (last summer I think) was
malware. It took over lots more than it should have without asking me.
Perhaps they've fixed that by now.

But now it's nagware. Every week or so I get a desktop popup reminding
me to update Quicktime with itunes, and that box is checked by
default. Less attentive users would install itunes unintentionally. I
don't want to disable the reminder because I *want* to keep Quicktime
(without itunes!) updated.

There's no reason to force shoppers to use proprietary intrusive
software, even if it is free.

  



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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Now #1

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Snyder, Mark (IT Civilian) sez:

>You twisted it
>into an M$-fanboy post, which is okay, but was not my point. 

And he gave some good ol' anti-Apple DRM FUD, too, considering many
songs (maybe a majority or all now -- I haven't looked), are available
at higher bit rates with no DRM from iTunes. It may still depend on the
music company since Apple has to work with those companies to deal with
all these rights issues, but the fact is one can get higher quality non-
DRMed music from iTunes. It's the companies that want the DRM. Apple is
indifferent to it, as state by Jobs in an open letter concerning DRM. To
insinuate differently is bull.

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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Now #1

[Tony B]

The last version of itunes I installed (last summer I think) was
malware. It took over lots more than it should have without asking me.
Perhaps they've fixed that by now.

But now it's nagware. Every week or so I get a desktop popup reminding
me to update Quicktime with itunes, and that box is checked by
default. Less attentive users would install itunes unintentionally. I
don't want to disable the reminder because I *want* to keep Quicktime
(without itunes!) updated.

There's no reason to force shoppers to use proprietary intrusive
software, even if it is free.


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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Now #1

[Snyder, Mark (IT Civilian)]

Free is free.  I already use iTunes and like it.  Use what ever you
like.  Buy from any source you choose.  I was responding to a post that
said iTunes, free software, was a deal breaker for him.  You twisted it
into an M$-fanboy post, which is okay, but was not my point.  My point
is how can free be a deal breaker?  So you agree?

Thank you,
 
Mark Snyder
-Original Message-
I heard Microsoft has free software too!  Not a deal breaker, right?

Why should I buy anything through Apple when I can get it through Amazon
for
less money, in a more widely supported format and more easily? 

> -Original Message-
> Scary; free software required!  What other free things are deal
> breakers
> for you?


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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Now #1

[Jeff Wright]

I heard Microsoft has free software too!  Not a deal breaker, right?

Why should I buy anything through Apple when I can get it through Amazon for
less money, in a more widely supported format and more easily? 

> -Original Message-
> Scary; free software required!  What other free things are deal
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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Now #1

[Snyder, Mark (IT Civilian)]

Scary; free software required!  What other free things are deal breakers
for you?

Thank you,
 
Mark Snyder
-Original Message-
Apple, afaik, still requires one to install itunes (proprietary
software) just to even SHOP at their music store. A deal-breaker for
me.


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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Now #1

[Tony B]

Interesting, but maybe old news already.
http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSWEN358320080128

I just had reason to need a couple tunes last week, and was happily
surprised to find them at Amazon.com in DRM-free .mp3 format (though
the one-click purchasing wasn't working). I probably could have gotten
them at walmart.com as well.

Apple, afaik, still requires one to install itunes (proprietary
software) just to even SHOP at their music store. A deal-breaker for
me.


On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> www.reuters.com/article/internetNews/idUSWNAS680520080403
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[Tom Piwowar]

www.reuters.com/article/internetNews/idUSWNAS680520080403

That may drive the last nail into the RIAA's coffin.


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