Re: [CGUYS] FYI: News Alert: Court Rules Against F.C.C. in 'Net Neutrality' Case

2010-04-09 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Not all political appointments are hacks, and not all are party hacks either side. This is why I would sometimes put my trust in them versus a guy I elect and lies to me. By the way how can you tell if a politician is lying to you? His mouth is open. (shameless old joke I know) Stewart

Re: [CGUYS] FYI: News Alert: Court Rules Against F.C.C. in 'Net Neutrality' Case

2010-04-09 Thread Eric S. Sande
It is not a perfect world, in any sense of the way. There's an opinion piece in today's Post br Robert McDowell, who is an FCC commissioner. It is noteworthy that he was reappointed in June of last year, and was the first Republican to be so appointed to an independent agency by BHO. Unanimous

Re: [CGUYS] FYI: News Alert: Court Rules Against F.C.C. in 'Net Neutrality' Case

2010-04-09 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
That part is true, but commissions many times have to interpret poorly or very vaguely written law (because politicians like to have it both ways. And I mean that in the worst sense.) It is not a perfect world, in any sense of the way. The FCC is trying to make decisions in the public interes

Re: [CGUYS] FYI: News Alert: Court Rules Against F.C.C. in 'Net Neutrality' Case

2010-04-09 Thread Steve at Verizon
Of course Congress makes its decisions for political reasons! That's their job. Politicians are the ones who should be making law, not commissions. Politicians can be held accountable for their actions at election time. Stewart Marshall wrote: And Congress does not do this either? Stewart

Re: [CGUYS] FYI: News Alert: Court Rules Against F.C.C. in 'Net Neutrality' Case

2010-04-09 Thread Stewart Marshall
And Congress does not do this either? Stewart At 10:57 AM 4/9/2010, you wrote: Yes, we are communicating, but we are not Telecommunicating. When the laws governing regulation of it were established, Telecommunication was the telephone. My point is that voice is but a small element of the wor

Re: [CGUYS] FYI: News Alert: Court Rules Against F.C.C. in 'Net Neutrality' Case

2010-04-09 Thread Steve at Verizon
Yes, we are communicating, but we are not Telecommunicating. When the laws governing regulation of it were established, Telecommunication was the telephone. My point is that voice is but a small element of the world of broadband and Congress should be the body to set its regulation, if it is to

Re: [CGUYS] FYI: News Alert: Court Rules Against F.C.C. in 'Net Neutrality' Case

2010-04-08 Thread Mike
I'll take that as no you don't have a link. Sent from my iPod On Apr 8, 2010, at 17:53, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 3:46 PM, mike wrote: Got an url for that one? Why would the 'Bushies' try and stop Comcast from packet shaping and then do this? It is the Temerit

Re: [CGUYS] FYI: News Alert: Court Rules Against F.C.C. in 'Net Neutrality' Case

2010-04-08 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 3:46 PM, mike wrote: > Got an url for that one? Why would the 'Bushies' try and stop Comcast from > packet shaping and then do this? > It is the Temerity of Nope. Whats left of the republican party is afraid to allow anything good for the country or not to pass during t

Re: [CGUYS] FYI: News Alert: Court Rules Against F.C.C. in 'Net Neutrality' Case

2010-04-08 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Steve at Verizon wrote: > I thought the court's ruling stated that Congress authorized the FCC to > regulate only Telecommunications. If Congress wishes for the FCC to regulate > Broadband, then it should do so. Hence Comcast, not a Telecommunications > company, bu

Re: [CGUYS] FYI: News Alert: Court Rules Against F.C.C. in 'Net Neutrality' Case

2010-04-07 Thread Eric S. Sande
The Bushies reclassified them so they could more easily escape justice. Actually Clinton signed the 1996 Act. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecommunications_Act_of_1996 Read the paragraph under the Title VII bullet that begins: "The Act makes a significant distinction ..." That should clari

Re: [CGUYS] FYI: News Alert: Court Rules Against F.C.C. in 'Net Neutrality' Case

2010-04-07 Thread mike
Net neutrality involves very different things for different people. Congress could write a bill that does all kind of things that mean the complete opposite to what you think NN means...and call it the NN bill. As far as paying more if we 'use' more by downloading more...right now tv is almost all

Re: [CGUYS] FYI: News Alert: Court Rules Against F.C.C. in 'Net Neutrality' Case

2010-04-07 Thread Steve at Verizon
b_s-wilk wrote: This is screaming for an update of the definition of telecommunications. With more people using VOIP and cellular services, of course telecommunications include cable services. It needs to be revised in the FCC's code. That was my point exactly, except that I would say it th

Re: [CGUYS] FYI: News Alert: Court Rules Against F.C.C. in 'Net Neutrality' Case

2010-04-07 Thread mike
Got an url for that one? Why would the 'Bushies' try and stop Comcast from packet shaping and then do this? On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 12:18 PM, tjpa wrote: > On Apr 7, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Steve at Verizon wrote: > >> I thought the court's ruling stated that Congress authorized the FCC to >> regulat

Re: [CGUYS] FYI: News Alert: Court Rules Against F.C.C. in 'Net Neutrality' Case

2010-04-07 Thread tjpa
On Apr 7, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Steve at Verizon wrote: I thought the court's ruling stated that Congress authorized the FCC to regulate only Telecommunications. If Congress wishes for the FCC to regulate Broadband, then it should do so. Hence Comcast, not a Telecommunications company, but a Br

Re: [CGUYS] FYI: News Alert: Court Rules Against F.C.C. in 'Net Neutrality' Case

2010-04-07 Thread b_s-wilk
I thought the court's ruling stated that Congress authorized the FCC to regulate only Telecommunications. If Congress wishes for the FCC to regulate Broadband, then it should do so. Hence Comcast, not a Telecommunications company, but a Broadband company does not fall under the juristicion of the F

Re: [CGUYS] FYI: News Alert: Court Rules Against F.C.C. in 'Net Neutrality' Case

2010-04-07 Thread Steve at Verizon
I thought the court's ruling stated that Congress authorized the FCC to regulate only Telecommunications. If Congress wishes for the FCC to regulate Broadband, then it should do so. Hence Comcast, not a Telecommunications company, but a Broadband company does not fall under the juristicion of

Re: [CGUYS] FYI: News Alert: Court Rules Against F.C.C. in 'Net Neutrality' Case

2010-04-07 Thread mike
You mean like where the FCC under Bush tried to make throttling illegal? Now the courts decided the FCC can't do that, so back to the big providers deciding what content they want to give you at what speed. On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 8:19 AM, b_s-wilk wrote: >A federal appeals court has rule

Re: [CGUYS] FYI: News Alert: Court Rules Against F.C.C. in 'Net Neutrality' Case

2010-04-07 Thread b_s-wilk
A federal appeals court has ruled that the Federal Communications Commission lacks the authority to require broadband providers to give equal treatment to all Internet traffic flowing over their networks. I heard the tail end of this story on Market Place this afte

Re: [CGUYS] FYI: News Alert: Court Rules Against F.C.C. in 'Net Neutrality' Case

2010-04-06 Thread t.piwowar
On Apr 6, 2010, at 11:58 PM, Eric S. Sande wrote: Now, I don't know where this case is going to go. Likely to the Supreme Court. But the fact of the matter is that the cable and telephone companies built these networks and shouldn't be penalized for charging what the traffic will bear. Except

Re: [CGUYS] FYI: News Alert: Court Rules Against F.C.C. in 'Net Neutrality' Case

2010-04-06 Thread Eric S. Sande
I heard the tail end of this story on Market Place this afternoon. Then they said that Comcast's stock went *down*. What's up with that? It comes down to is an information service, as broadband is currently classified, regulable as a telecommunications service, which is the FCC's mandate. If

Re: [CGUYS] FYI: News Alert: Court Rules Against F.C.C. in 'Net Neutrality' Case

2010-04-06 Thread Reid Katan
Quoting Mike Sloane : A federal appeals court has ruled that the Federal Communications Commission lacks the authority to require broadband providers to give equal treatment to all Internet traffic flowing over their networks. I heard the tail end of this story on Market Place this afternoon.

[CGUYS] FYI: News Alert: Court Rules Against F.C.C. in 'Net Neutrality' Case

2010-04-06 Thread Mike Sloane
NYTimes.com News Alert wrote: Breaking News Alert The New York Times Tue, April 06, 2010 -- 11:23 AM ET - Court Rules Against F.C.C. in 'Net Neutrality' Case A federal appeals court has ruled that the Federal Communications Commission lacks the authority to require broadband providers to gi