Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages

2008-06-13 Thread katan
On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 15:33:47 -0400, Tom Piwowar wrote: To revive a question that I raise from time to time: Is it time for CGUYS to move from a primary mail-based delivery system to a primary http-based delivery system? No. I would be uninclined to visit a web site to read CGuys posts.

Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages

2008-06-10 Thread Jordan
In the context of this discussion, it's funny that I received the following email this morning. I'm on an iMac using Thunderbird for email and I do send emails to groups of people sometimes. I have Comcast for internet, there is really no choice here, but I email exclusively through gmail.

Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages

2008-06-10 Thread Jordan
Even more funny and interesting: My Thunderbird wants to know if the Comcast email is a scam. I'm thinking yes! After I received the Comcast email this morning, I sent the earlier email to CGUYS and an email to myself at the Comcast address. Obviously gmail is working because CGUYS got the

Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages

2008-06-10 Thread Tom Piwowar
Even more funny and interesting: My Thunderbird wants to know if the Comcast email is a scam. I'm thinking yes! That is why no body should ever follow links in an email to download anything. However the links provided do lead to a tech support page at Comcast and do explain how to change the

Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages

2008-06-10 Thread Paula Minor
n the context of this discussion, it's funny that I received the following email this morning. I'm on an iMac using Thunderbird for email and I do send emails to groups of people sometimes. I have Comcast for internet, there is really no choice here, but I email exclusively through gmail.

Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages

2008-06-10 Thread Paula Minor
It's nice to be BACK! You have no way of knowing what is being blocked and no mechanism to retrieve any false positives. It's amateur hour at Comcast. Oh how true. I now wonder what else isn't coming through. ANd I also know that some of my email never gets to the recipients but that

Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages

2008-06-10 Thread Jordan
Thanks Tom. I don't deal with ports enough to have much knowledge of them but gmail has me on port 587 for SMTP and 995 or something like that for pop. So, would I know or should I care if 25 is blocked? I only use gmail. Tom Piwowar wrote: You may want to make a note of it if you do discover

Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages

2008-06-10 Thread Tom Piwowar
Thanks Tom. I don't deal with ports enough to have much knowledge of them but gmail has me on port 587 for SMTP and 995 or something like that for pop. So, would I know or should I care if 25 is blocked? I only use gmail. So you are fine. Now that you mention it, I reall reading that the

Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages

2008-06-09 Thread Matthew Taylor
If you mean something like a PHP forum, no. On Jun 7, 2008, at 3:33 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: To revive a question that I raise from time to time: Is it time for CGUYS to move from a primary mail-based delivery system to a primary http- based delivery system?

Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages

2008-06-09 Thread Tom Piwowar
If you mean something like a PHP forum, no. Well this is getting shot down quickly. So what is the alternative? In recent days I'm seeing about 7 percent of the List bouncing (all Cox or Comcast subscribers). ...blocked by ReturnPath. Please visit http://sendersupport.senderscore.net for

Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages

2008-06-09 Thread Tony B
I'd be unlikely to visit yet another computer oriented forum very often. And if I did, there are tons to choose from so I couldn't see myself hanging at a PC-bashing site. Hard enough to tolerate it via email. Heck, I'd be unlikely to subscribe to another general computer oriented mailing list,

Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages

2008-06-09 Thread Steve Rigby
On Jun 9, 2008, at 11:37 AM, Tony B wrote: I'd be unlikely to visit yet another computer oriented forum very often. And if I did, there are tons to choose from so I couldn't see myself hanging at a PC-bashing site. Hard enough to tolerate it via email. I'd be interested to find out from you

Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages

2008-06-09 Thread Tony B
All my other forums (and lists) pretty strictly forbid format wars. The video production lists I'm on routinely discuss - maybe once a year - different formats and systems. Discuss is the key word here. A newcomer joins and asks what system they should invest in, and everyone has learned to

Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages

2008-06-09 Thread Steve Rigby
On Jun 9, 2008, at 2:50 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: I wonder why Cox and Comcast's legal departments let them do this. If they block an important message would they not be open to a lawsuit? I do not believe there is any concern on the part of either Cox or Comcast or any other provider in

Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages

2008-06-09 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
Perhaps they may use the same email filtering service. On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Considering how badly Comcast is performing re spam filtering, I'm probably going to move most everything to my Gmail account. It's simply unacceptable how badly Comcast's

Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages

2008-06-09 Thread Tom Piwowar
Perhaps they may use the same email filtering service. It looks like they do. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/

Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages

2008-06-08 Thread Ralph
I use two gmail accounts - one I download to my computer via pop access, and the other I leave online. The latter I use for email subscriptions, like the computerguys. I like the way gmail collates messages by subject line. There is one thing I don't like about gmail, but I hesitate to mention

Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages

2008-06-08 Thread John DeCarlo
On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is one thing I don't like about gmail, but I hesitate to mention it because I've never heard anyone else say they had the same problem. I like to BCC myself on messages I originate. Gmail apparently recognizes the mail is

Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages and gmail

2008-06-08 Thread mike
That is one of my main gripes about gmail. When I originate an email to start a new thread with the computer guys, the only way I know it's been sent is I begin to get replies. Mike On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use two gmail accounts - one I download to my

Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages

2008-06-08 Thread Jordan
Yes, that is frustrating. I think it's because Google thinks everyone does web mail, or they want everyone to use apps on the web instead of on their computers. Jordan Ralph wrote: I use two gmail accounts - one I download to my computer via pop access, and the other I leave online. The

[CGUYS] Missing messages

2008-06-07 Thread Jeff Wright
To update on the piss-poor spam filtering that Comcast is using, it continues with a new twist. I'm getting *some* messages on threads, but not all at times. For instance, Tony's thread on SATA drivers, I only got 6 of the 9 messages, which explained my confusion as to who Tony was replying to.

Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages

2008-06-07 Thread Mike Sloane
Although I have not tried it, I believe there is a way to bring Gmail messages into your machine's Email application. I purposely don't do that because I like having my Gmail account available when I am having problems with Thunderbird (most recently with an inbox that mysteriously ballooned

Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages

2008-06-07 Thread John DeCarlo
Gmail support IMAP - you can use whatever email client you want. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more

Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages

2008-06-07 Thread Jeff Wright
Yeah, I forget that Gmail has that. Thanks John. On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 10:57 AM, John DeCarlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gmail support IMAP - you can use whatever email client you want. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own

Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages

2008-06-07 Thread Tony B
There's an 'expand all' button on the right. Gmail still offers free POP or IMAP access, but why hang onto the past like that? It's not too difficult for _this_ old dog to learn new tricks. :) On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Jeff Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see all the messages in my

Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages

2008-06-07 Thread Jeff Wright
-Original Message- There's an 'expand all' button on the right. Yeah, I know, but all that does is expand the thread. Gmail still offers free POP or IMAP access, but why hang onto the past like that? It's not too difficult for _this_ old dog to learn new tricks. :) I can do that

Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages

2008-06-07 Thread db
Yes, Gmail supports POP and IMAP email clients... Thunderbird or whatever. db Mike Sloane wrote: Although I have not tried it, I believe there is a way to bring Gmail messages into your machine's Email application. I purposely don't do that because I like having my Gmail account available when

Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages

2008-06-07 Thread Tom Piwowar
To update on the piss-poor spam filtering that Comcast is using, it continues with a new twist. I'm getting *some* messages on threads, but not all at times. For instance, Tony's thread on SATA drivers, I only got 6 of the 9 messages, which explained my confusion as to who Tony was replying to.

Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages

2008-06-07 Thread Robert
I got only six of the nine SATA messages, and I am using Cox. Jeff Wright wrote: To update on the piss-poor spam filtering that Comcast is using, it continues with a new twist. I'm getting *some* messages on threads, but not all at times. For instance, Tony's thread on SATA drivers, I only

Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages

2008-06-07 Thread mike
Just to get it straight for me, I've got nine msgs NOW, with the last one, but the last one I have says he has nine? so...Jeff, MIke, John D, Jeff, Tony, Jeff, Db, Tom and Robert. That's nine. I'm using Gmail. Mike On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got only

Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages

2008-06-07 Thread Jeff Wright
I would say no, I like having the mail format. Going web-based, you have to go to the site and open up the forum, find the thread and post a reply. Not a burden, but with email, it's right here. KISS. OTOH, going with a web-based solution eliminates the broken mess that is email today and

[CGUYS] Missing messages?

2007-08-16 Thread Steve Rigby
On Aug 16, 2007, at 10:51 AM, mike wrote: Uh oh...undesirables...next we'll hear we have to cull all pc users from the population. It's too bad those pesky pixar people are undesirableusing non macs to make cars... Mike On 8/16/07, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You might

Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages?

2007-08-16 Thread Andy Gallant
different but maybe related - i've been getting messages out of order. many times, i see the reply to a message before i receive the original message. at least, it looks that way when i compare the timestamps ... ymmv -andy /snip/ Upon seeing this message which is a response to something

Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages?

2007-08-16 Thread Robert
Occasionally I notice missing messages, but more frequently a reply to a message shows up well before the original message arrives. Steve Rigby wrote: On Aug 16, 2007, at 10:51 AM, mike wrote: Uh oh...undesirables...next we'll hear we have to cull all pc users from the population. It's too

Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages?

2007-08-16 Thread Steve Rigby
On Aug 16, 2007, at 4:46 PM, Andy Gallant wrote: different but maybe related - i've been getting messages out of order. many times, i see the reply to a message before i receive the original message. at least, it looks that way when i compare the timestamps ... ymmv I have seen that as

Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages?

2007-08-16 Thread Steve Rigby
On Aug 16, 2007, at 4:21 PM, Robert wrote: Occasionally I notice missing messages, but more frequently a reply to a message shows up well before the original message arrives. Ditto. Steve * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND

Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages?

2007-08-16 Thread b_s-wilk
Time stamp and delays depend on reliability and location of outgoing and incoming servers, unless your battery is getting weak. I usually use a U.S. based server, but when there's high traffic, I switch to one of Yahoo's foreign servers. I'm curious about time stamps, so I'm using a server in