Re: [CGUYS] New Vista computer experiences

2008-12-29 Thread John Emmerling
I don't have access to a Vista system, however with XP Pro, there is a distinction between an account the user creates having administrative privileges, vs. the Administrator account which I believe is created automatically when Windows is installed. Some brain-dead software will only install

Re: [CGUYS] New Vista computer experiences

2008-12-28 Thread Tony B
He was being sarcastic I think. This describes exactly how Vista does it. There's nothing cryptic about the notice you get. And, because it accepts blank passwords, it's darned convenient. :) As noted in another thread, admins also must approve the UAC prompt to execute things. Now, I should

Re: [CGUYS] New Vista computer experiences

2008-12-28 Thread Robert
Not true. I searched MS library and found a way to turn off UAC (despite the link provided by Jeff Wright which says that it can't be done on Vista Home Basic Premium). It's done with msconfig, or by editing the registry. Once I turned off UAC, the software installed. mike wrote: You

Re: [CGUYS] New Vista computer experiences

2008-12-28 Thread Jeff Wright
Also, how do I log in as administrator? There is only one profile on this computer, and it boots up with me listed as administrator. I provided links in a previous message as to how to enable the admin account. As I mentioned in an earlier message, I found a way to turn off UAC, and the

Re: [CGUYS] New Vista computer experiences

2008-12-28 Thread mike
I've been using vista ultimate 64bit since SP 1 came out and never have seen this. Of course this doesn't mean it didn't happen, just seems odd. What program and version were you trying to install that would only install with UAC off? Mike On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Robert

Re: [CGUYS] New Vista computer experiences

2008-12-28 Thread Tony B
You must have missed the other thread pointing out that even admins must answer to UAC. It's a safety feature. The most sensible way to set up Vista is probably to create a new user Admin with full admin privileges, then lower your own privs to User. There's no need to screw with the default

Re: [CGUYS] New Vista computer experiences

2008-12-28 Thread mike
Ok I know I'm picking nits...but is there any discernible difference at all between the admin you can enable as shown, and the default admin created when you install? Mike On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com wrote: Also, how do I log in as administrator? There is

Re: [CGUYS] New Vista computer experiences

2008-12-28 Thread Tony B
I don't know. But I know it doesn't matter. Except the one you create will be visible. On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 5:48 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Ok I know I'm picking nits...but is there any discernible difference at all between the admin you can enable as shown, and the default admin

Re: [CGUYS] New Vista computer experiences

2008-12-28 Thread db
Such an odd thing... having more than one administrator account. Do you have to name them differently? db Tony B wrote: I don't know. But I know it doesn't matter. Except the one you create will be visible. On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 5:48 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Ok I know I'm

Re: [CGUYS] New Vista computer experiences

2008-12-28 Thread mike
You name all your accounts differently...the type can be of course the same. Mike On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 4:40 PM, db db...@att.net wrote: Such an odd thing... having more than one administrator account. Do you have to name them differently? db Tony B wrote: I don't know. But I know it

[CGUYS] New Vista computer experiences

2008-12-27 Thread Tony B
Let her get settled in with it before you play with it, and let us know how she likes it. Eventually, you'll want to go in and set her up as a User, since apparently by default the owner is still inexplicably an Admin. We recently got one of the HP laptops with x64 and a humongous screen for

Re: [CGUYS] New Vista computer experiences

2008-12-27 Thread mike
Other then moving her programs/pics/docs to the machine I won't be customizing anything. I think I'll get more comments about moving from a full size desktop to a laptop...albeit this laptop is 17 with a full size keyboard. Mike On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 8:45 AM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [CGUYS] New Vista computer experiences

2008-12-27 Thread Jeff Wright
I thought the same thing at first, but no, you really are a standard user with limited rights until you elevate the user to admin rights with UAC. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc709691.aspx MS didn't do a very good job publicizing this aspect of Vista's security. Come to think of

Re: [CGUYS] New Vista computer experiences

2008-12-27 Thread Fred Holmes
At 10:45 AM 12/27/2008, Tony B wrote: Let her get settled in with it before you play with it, and let us know how she likes it. Eventually, you'll want to go in and set her up as a User, since apparently by default the owner is still inexplicably an Admin. That so the help won't have to respond

Re: [CGUYS] New Vista computer experiences

2008-12-27 Thread Tony B
That's a really long article. Does it make this claim somewhere? Because when I got my hands on the wife's new Vista x64 comp 2-3 days after her, she was running as the only named Admin. She wouldn't have changed anything unless prompted. I expected to find her as a User; she wasn't, so I changed

Re: [CGUYS] New Vista computer experiences

2008-12-27 Thread Chris Dunford
Eventually, you'll want to go in and set her up as a User, since apparently by default the owner is still inexplicably an Admin. That so the help won't have to respond to things that don't work because of improperly-set permissions. Just give the user the maximum permissions. No, this

Re: [CGUYS] New Vista computer experiences

2008-12-27 Thread Tony B
Perhaps it's an HP thing. I only know what I found on her new laptop last month. Anyway, after adding admin, and moving her to Users with me, everything is working fine. I also run a desktop install of Home Premium, but I can't remember now how that went. I'm certainly running it now as a User.

Re: [CGUYS] New Vista computer experiences

2008-12-27 Thread Robert
This must be the problem that I have installing older software on a Vista 64-bit computer that I just bought. When I insert the application CD, a message appears that I don't have administration rights to install the software. According to the MS link that you provided, the only way to

Re: [CGUYS] New Vista computer experiences

2008-12-27 Thread mike
You don't need to turn off UAC to install anything. If it's able to be installed on 64bit it will...UAC doesn't have anything to do with it. Mike On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Robert carrollcompu...@gmail.com wrote: This must be the problem that I have installing older software on a Vista

Re: [CGUYS] New Vista computer experiences

2008-12-27 Thread John Emmerling
Just log in as admin, do what needs to be done, then log out. On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Robert carrollcompu...@gmail.com wrote: This must be the problem that I have installing older software on a Vista 64-bit computer that I just bought. When I insert the application CD, a message

Re: [CGUYS] New Vista computer experiences

2008-12-27 Thread Tony B
When setup runs, it _should_ automatically prompt you to run as admin (mine does). Accept that and you're good to go. Alternatively, cancel setup and find it on the disk and right click it and run as admin. Or, like John said, just log in as admin until you've installed it. On Sat, Dec 27, 2008

Re: [CGUYS] New Vista computer experiences

2008-12-27 Thread Jeff Wright
It pretty much says it in the first few paragraphs, but no, it isn't explicit. Weirdly, it's very difficult to find something that states this explicitly. This is as close as I can find: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=245 -Original Message- That's a really long article. Does it make

Re: [CGUYS] New Vista computer experiences

2008-12-27 Thread Jeff Wright
When setup runs, it _should_ automatically prompt you to run as admin (mine does). Accept that and you're good to go. Alternatively, cancel setup and find it on the disk and right click it and run as admin. Or, like John said, just log in as admin until you've installed it. It may be that

Re: [CGUYS] New Vista computer experiences

2008-12-27 Thread Ellen Rains Harris
) to help protect your computer. 5. Click OK. 6. Restart Windows - Original Message - From: Robert carrollcompu...@gmail.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] New Vista computer experiences This must be the problem that I have

Re: [CGUYS] New Vista computer experiences

2008-12-27 Thread Jeff Wright
On new installs with one user, the single user (in this case my wife on her new laptop), is administrator. However, even though she is running as admin, UAC will continue to prompt when permission is necessary, vista doesn't assume just because you have admin rights, you want everything in

Re: [CGUYS] New Vista computer experiences

2008-12-27 Thread mike
OK...so you are saying there is a difference between the default admin on install and an admin you create? What is that difference? Does it not have to be *the* admin account if it's the only one there? Because under that logic, you'd be using a limited user to create a super user, that would

Re: [CGUYS] New Vista computer experiences

2008-12-27 Thread Jeff Wright
OK...so you are saying there is a difference between the default admin on install and an admin you create? What is that difference? Does it not have to be *the* admin account if it's the only one there? Because under that logic, you'd be using a limited user to create a super user, that