Re: [CGUYS] Win7 walk-through

2008-11-05 Thread Jeff Wright
On the other hand, if W7 is working as well as you say, it strengthens the suspicion that W7 is just Vista warmed over. Um, even MS has said that Win7 isn't anything but a vastly improved Vista. That's kinda, sorta, ya know, why it looks like it. We still patch, patch, patch. By this

Re: [CGUYS] Win7 walk-through

2008-11-04 Thread Tom Piwowar
The best we can hope for is that MS is lying. If this is the way MS intends to build its operating systems then W7 will be even crappier and more dangerous than their previous atrocities. This idea is even a bigger mistake than their everything-is-connected-to-everything stupidity that makes

Re: [CGUYS] Win7 walk-through

2008-11-04 Thread mike
So they are terrible for having everything tied together and horrible for having everything component-ized? Spoken like a true glitterati. You seem to be alone in your view since almost every review of W7 shows it was extremely well received. Course they've actually used W7 so they aren't

Re: [CGUYS] Win7 walk-through

2008-11-04 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Chris I am intrigued that you are running it. How does it compare to XP? I am one of those who did not upgrade to Vista but am still running XP on all my machines except my sons laptop which came with Vista. Stewart At 02:44 PM 11/4/2008, you wrote: Apparently you are ignoring my several

Re: [CGUYS] Win7 walk-through

2008-11-04 Thread Tom Piwowar
Having everything tied to everything and building components in isolation are not related or complementary problems (except that they are both bad ideas and probably even worse in combination). For you to misconstrue what I wrote to imply that they are related is disingenuous. You are trying

Re: [CGUYS] Win7 walk-through

2008-11-04 Thread Chris Dunford
Vista was not found to be any more secure than XP. This is just flat-out wrong, as is most of the rest of your message, which appears to be remarkably ill-informed. As if everyone didn't already know that Vista is more secure than XP, I received an InfoWorld article just this morning with the

Re: [CGUYS] Win7 walk-through

2008-11-04 Thread Tom Piwowar
So you are saying OS X is built on a horrible idea? Change the subject. I'm not going to follow as you spin, spin, spin. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a

Re: [CGUYS] Win7 walk-through

2008-11-04 Thread Tom Piwowar
Data shows Vista more secure than XP The FULL title of the story is Microsoft Data shows Vista more secure than XP. The article is completely unclear about what data supports MS's assertion. Numbers are cited, but nothing about how the data was collected. Only the most besotted WFB would find

Re: [CGUYS] Win7 walk-through

2008-11-02 Thread Tom Piwowar
In short, the stuff that's shown -will- be in Win7. Sorry. There is a river crossing on the east side of Manhattan availabe for purchase. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** **

Re: [CGUYS] Win7 walk-through

2008-11-02 Thread mike
Tom's been left standing in the middle of his living room with his prom dress on and his dates not showing to believe anything has changed. On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In short, the stuff that's shown -will- be in Win7. Sorry. There is a river

Re: [CGUYS] Win7 walk-through

2008-11-02 Thread Jordan
mike wrote: Windows 7 is a radical departure in the way MS builds it's OS. Instead of each feature being worked on and added in at various times and various stages of 'beta', these groups aren't allowed to include their code in 7 until it is ready to ship. If Microsoft puts features in just as

Re: [CGUYS] Win7 walk-through

2008-11-02 Thread Chris Dunford
If Microsoft puts features in just as they ship, it won't be surprising that they won't work well. I don't think that's what they do. Right, I think that's Mike's point--that is NOT what they're doing. MS insists that Win7 is already feature-complete, and that the rest of the time will be

Re: [CGUYS] Win7 walk-through

2008-11-02 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mike wrote: Windows 7 is a radical departure in the way MS builds it's OS. Instead of each feature being worked on and added in at various times and various stages of 'beta', these groups aren't allowed to include their code in

Re: [CGUYS] Win7 walk-through

2008-11-02 Thread Tom Piwowar
If W7 is now feature complete and MS has not yet figured out why Vista is so crappy then why are they also telling us that W7 is not Vista warmed over? They are either not keeping their lies straight or they completely tossed Vista and are building W7 on top of XP. Which is it? Right, I

Re: [CGUYS] Win7 walk-through

2008-11-02 Thread Tom Piwowar
You are exactly right. This radical departure is just claptrap from MS's PR department. Nothing to do with engineering. The WFBs just lap it up and tell us how great the next Windows version will be. They also tell us of the greatness of Vista -- except that it has been so much misunderstood.

Re: [CGUYS] Win7 walk-through

2008-11-02 Thread Chris Dunford
I do question if the testing they will get in house will be as effective as a large number of outside testers. There will be beta tests of components but not of the really half done things that have been released to bets before. But nothing is half done. The stuff that wasn't delivered

Re: [CGUYS] Win7 walk-through

2008-11-02 Thread mike
Except Vista isn't crappy. I've been running 64bit SP 1 since it was released and had zero issues. Many changes in hardware and too many apps to name have gone through this machine. Vista was a problem when it first came out, you speak about it as though SP 1 never came out. What are your

[CGUYS] Win7 walk-through

2008-11-01 Thread Chris Dunford
Here's a decent walkthrough of some of the new Win7 stuff: http://tinyurl.com/5n3akw * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at

Re: [CGUYS] Win7 walk-through

2008-11-01 Thread Tom Piwowar
Here's a decent walkthrough of some of the new Win7 stuff: Since half of the features will never make it to the shipping version is there really any point in reading their propaganda? * ** List info, subscription

Re: [CGUYS] Win7 walk-through

2008-11-01 Thread mike
Windows 7 is a radical departure in the way MS builds it's OS. Instead of each feature being worked on and added in at various times and various stages of 'beta', these groups aren't allowed to include their code in 7 until it is ready to ship. if you'd been keeping up with the news about 7,

Re: [CGUYS] Win7 walk-through

2008-11-01 Thread Chris Dunford
Here's a decent walkthrough of some of the new Win7 stuff: Since half of the features will never make it to the shipping version is there really any point in reading their propaganda? Oh, give it a rest. I'm wondering if you bothered to go to the site because, if you had, you would

Re: [CGUYS] Win7 walk-through

2008-11-01 Thread Tony B
What I was looking forward to is WinFS, or _some_ sort of tagging file system. But it looks like they're still not ready to attempt that. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** **

Re: [CGUYS] Win7 walk-through

2008-11-01 Thread mike
I was wanting of this feature also...the libraries are closer to it then anything at this point. http://arstechnica.com/journals/microsoft.ars/2008/10/31/arspdc-windows-7-libraries-under-the-microscope On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Tony B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I was looking forward