Rev. Stewart Marshall
Talk about rationing.
When I hear those commercials that rail against
rationing, I wonder which insurance company paid
for it, and if the CEO has the same coverage that
all his employees are offered.
I think the congress critters must be made to
live under the same
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 11:20 PM, b_s-wilkb1sun...@yahoo.es wrote:
Single-payer did NOT prevent you from getting the care you need. Managed
care did. Be informed and you can be better served.
When I hear all the railing against a single-payer system, with the
attendant calls for maintaining a
I am sure there are billions of reasons. ($$)
Stewart
At 06:08 AM 7/28/2009, you wrote:
When I hear all the railing against a single-payer system, with the
attendant calls for maintaining a system in the United States that is
singular in the developed world, I wonder why ours has to
phartz...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 11:20 PM, b_s-wilkb1sun...@yahoo.es wrote:
Single-payer did NOT prevent you from getting the care you need. Managed
care did. Be informed and you can be better served.
When I hear all the railing against a single-payer system, with
The people in the rest of the world don't change their health care system
because they are sheep.
Ours is the best health care system in the world. Not perfect -- but we can't
afford a perfect system. The U.S. does better than most other countries in
most things. Many people come to the
We aren't digging in our heels to keep it as it is. The Republicans tried to
make all sorts of changes to the health care system in the previous
administration, all of which were filibustered or defeated by Democrats playing
knee-jerk opposition to everything the Republicans did.
Fred Holmes
Not tainted by any facts?
1. The other countries we are talking about are democracies, so they can
vote to change, and no other country tries to replicate the US
healthcare system.
2. Few of us can afford our current system. Fewer still will be able to
as it gets more expensive.
3. Life
On Jul 26, 2009, at 9:06 PM, b_s-wilk wrote:
Germany uses less than 11% of GDP for health care, but it's better
than in the US where it's well over 15% of GDP and rising fast.
In Germany they will send you to a spa for a week if you convince the
doctor that you are too stressed at work.
Get an EFI-X card to handle multi-booting and enable installing of OS
X too. Cool hardware.
On Jul 27, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Marcio wrote:
Time off to sudy this dual boot... I already have a boot C: and a
Data D:... I am no sure if I can put a third HD and have he option
to boot frm it...
On Jul 28, 2009, at 7:08 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:
Why uniquely American, which is the term I keep hearing?
That is a code word to assure insurance execs that they will still be
able to get their $100,000,000 salaries.
Just imagine how much money could be saved by merely sending a
On Jul 28, 2009, at 10:30 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote:
5. Socialism? WTF; can't you do any better than that?
Curiously, the same people who rail against fixing healthcare with
weird tales of single payer systems will happily support the single-
provider system when it comes to
Likewise, in the Czech Republic - only for longer. There, families also have
maternity leave that can last for a year, with return to one's job. Two
years, but not to the same guaranteed position.
--- On Tue, 7/28/09, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
From: TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com
Subject: Re:
On Jul 26, 2009, at 11:34 PM, Fred Holmes wrote:
Absolutely wrong. There must always be choices. The customer must
always have somewhere else to go when the service he is currently
receiving is unsatisfactory. Single payer is tyranny.
Single-payer systems typically include the
For one who constantly rails against the MS monopoly, I am surprised
that you advocate a monopoly on the buying side of health care (and a
government monopoly at that).
TPiwowar wrote:
On Jul 26, 2009, at 11:34 PM, Fred Holmes wrote:
Absolutely wrong. There must always be choices. The
very cool.
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 7:46 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
Get an EFI-X card to handle multi-booting and enable installing of OS X
too. Cool hardware.
On Jul 27, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Marcio wrote:
Time off to sudy this dual boot... I already have a boot C: and a Data
D:... I
I heard recently that the UK is banning certain drugs. In an environment
such as that, who will create the wonder drugs of the future?
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 8:09 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
On Jul 26, 2009, at 11:34 PM, Fred Holmes wrote:
Absolutely wrong. There must always be
Who is advocating that and what exactly does it mean?
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 8:02 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
Curiously, the same people who rail against fixing healthcare with weird
tales of single payer systems will happily support the single-provider
system when it comes to
The debate is, as usual, between those who do (at least a little) research
to discern the facts and those who determine the situation without having
any basis. That is the problem with American politics today.
We need not even use any other example than our own country to determine how
health
I've wondered something along these lines...why are we creating yet another
system when there are already half a dozen? Yet one more large bureaucracy
when we should consolidate the others.
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 8:48 AM, Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A.
acker...@astrecg.com wrote:
The debate
1. What Congress has: in point of fact, congresspersons and senators
have the same choices of insurance that all federal employees have.
My guess is that they mostly choose standard-option Blue Cross-Blue
Shield--a popular choice among all federal employees. There is also
a
There are actually well more than half-dozen. And, that has no bearing on
the real issues.
In a nutshell, what the debate is about:
1. Terminating the use of paper (or non-existent) health care information.
By making this information electronic, it can be transmitted from
practitioner to
The people in the rest of the world don't change their health care
system because they are sheep.
Ours is the best health care system in the world. Not perfect -- but
we can't afford a perfect system. The U.S. does better than most
other countries in most things. Many people come to the
So what does all this healthcare debate on The Computer Guys listserv have to
do with computers?
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...or ATT made them do it.
Apple Blocking Google Voice App
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2350840,00.asp
It is time for legislation to set our cell phones free.
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On Jul 28, 2009, at 11:39 AM, mike wrote:
I heard recently that the UK is banning certain drugs. In an
environment
such as that, who will create the wonder drugs of the future?
And our FDA approves bunches of drugs that kill the patient. You
prefer that?
On Jul 28, 2009, at 11:38 AM, Steve at Verizon wrote:
For one who constantly rails against the MS monopoly, I am
surprised that you advocate a monopoly on the buying side of health
care (and a government monopoly at that).
The government is not a monopoly. The government is the American
And when will that happen? It's not going to happen under the current
administration. Unless we dump every member of congress and the senate and
stop putting up with these idiots getting rich on our backs, nothing is
going to change except for the worse.
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 9:41 AM,
Right, your game playing continues no matter the subject.
meh.
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 9:53 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
On Jul 28, 2009, at 11:39 AM, mike wrote:
I heard recently that the UK is banning certain drugs. In an environment
such as that, who will create the wonder drugs
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Tourbus Rider Stuart
Carlownoodni...@aol.com wrote:
So what does all this healthcare debate on The Computer Guys listserv have to
do with computers?
I've got carpal tunnel syndrome from using my computer keyboard. I
am not insured for this medical problem,
Tourbus Rider Stuart Carlow wrote:
So what does all this healthcare debate on The Computer Guys listserv have to
do with computers?
Uumm... if we didn't have to pay so much for healthcare, we could
get better computers. Not to mention better food and other good stuff.
Well, some of us
We do not as much ban drugs, What we do is allow the drug companies
and our insurance to ban them for us.
Very often they just price the drug out of the market.
I am not sure how many of you know this but over the past few years a
number of readily available generic drugs have disappeared off
If your machine will do that just install a bootable OS on the 2nd drive
and use the menu Fred mentions to make the choice at boot time.
db
Fred Holmes wrote:
At 11:42 AM 7/27/2009, Marcio wrote:
Time off to sudy this dual boot... I already have a boot C: and a Data D:... I
am no sure if
Look into Healtheon.
Jeff M
On Jul 28, 2009, at 9:51 AM, Tourbus Rider Stuart Carlow wrote:
So what does all this healthcare debate on The Computer Guys
listserv have to do with computers?
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TPiwowar wrote:
On Jul 26, 2009, at 11:34 PM, Fred Holmes wrote:
Absolutely wrong. There must always be choices. The customer must
always have somewhere else to go when the service he is currently
receiving is unsatisfactory. Single payer is tyranny.
Single-payer systems typically include
It's not a monopoly ... just the opposite ... we have a defacto monopoly
now.
People who can't afford corporate type plans have nothing and run
EVERYONE's bill thru the roof when they end up in emergency rooms or
terminally dying etc.
I think what most in the national argument want ... except
That will probably some to pass, if we can get the basic coverage for
all thingee going.
Medical care for the country is a huge beast... better to bite off as
much as we can digest at any one time.
Even if we could vote to do it, we would be taking on a too huge
logistical problem to try to
OHIP (Ontario health Insurance Plan) which is one of those government
plans in Canada is not really much more than basic health insurance.
When I lived up there I bought a supplement that would give me a few
benefits, such as a prescription plan, semi-private room,
prosthetics, and some
I just want to say thanks to the powers that be on this list for
allowing this discussion. How I ended up with having nearly all
conservative friends is beyond me! Admittedly, I have not gone
searching the web for health care discussions, but it is very
refreshing to know that there are
It is time for legislation to set our cell phones free.
Just making cell phones free or independent of carriers likely won't
really improve things. I point to the up and down ability of the Palm
pre to masquerade as an IPOD with Itunes under windows and on the Mac as
an example of what can be
Sue in a vast majority of cases they do pay taxes.
I do not know of any employer here in America (legitimate) who does
not withhold taxes out of paychecks, unless they consider the worker
a contractor.
Many (A good number) of south of the border people work in the food
industry (Mainly
Just a correction here.,
The Palm Pre does not run Windows. It runs the newest Palm Software.
Stewart
At 04:53 PM 7/28/2009, you wrote:
Just making cell phones free or independent of carriers likely won't
really improve things. I point to the up and down ability of the Palm
pre to
At 04:49 PM 7/28/2009 -0500, you wrote:
Sue in a vast majority of cases they do pay taxes.
I do not know of any employer here in America (legitimate) who does
not withhold taxes out of paychecks, unless they consider the worker
a contractor.
Many (A good number) of south of the border
I didn't say the government is a monopoly; I said that a single-payer is
a monopoly. Actually there is a new term for a buyer monopoly and that
is a monopsony.
The federal government can and has exerted monopoly powers.
Armies and delivery of First Class Mail are two examples. Single-payer
One more correction. He said the palm looks like an ipod under windows
and macos.
Sent from my iPod
On Jul 28, 2009, at 2:58 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net
wrote:
Just a correction here.,
The Palm Pre does not run Windows. It runs the newest Palm Software.
Stewart
Hi Kate -
Health care has become such a heated topic that it has even
taken over my computer talk group (see below) .
I've told you about our experience with health care in
England . France seems to have the best system in the world (but
you know that the French are
Murphy's Laws of Computing
1. When computing, whatever happens, behave as though you meant it to happen.
2. When you get to the point where you really understand your
computer, it's probably obsolete.
3. The first place to look for information is in the section of the
manual where you'd least
I strongly object to paragraphs five and seven of your posting, and in
particular, to your use of highly objectionable terms and comparisons.
-Andy Gallant
John covici wrote:
To fix the health care system, you need to do three simple things:
(1) Repeal the 1973 legislation legalizing hmos.
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