Most businesses, large and small, continue to use
landline phones extensively, in many cases almost exclusively, for
incoming and outgoing business calls. Ditto for all governmental
agencies nationwide.
We are quite professional.
No reason for worry.
Thanks for your concern,
The Phone
Some definition of terms may be in order. Can the person (or business)
having their phone service provided by Comcast be described as a landline
user? Or does landline == twisted pair? With regard to user experience,
there's not much difference (until the power goes out!).
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 7:55 AM, John Emmerling jpemmerl...@gmail.com wrote:
Some definition of terms may be in order. Can the person (or business)
having their phone service provided by Comcast be described as a landline
user? Or does landline == twisted pair? With regard to user
At 01:08 AM 1/1/2010, Eric S. Sande wrote:
I've never made a secret of the fact that an all-optical carrier network is
what is desired. That has a downside in terms of edge device reliability, but
in overall maintenance overhead it is way superior (read more profitable) than
a copper based
To quote Ernestine, the telephone operator on Laugh-In,
We don't care. We don't have to! We're the telephone company.
--Constance Warner
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I wonder if anyone has considered the political component of all
this. What reactions will the proposal to kill landline service do
to various voting blocks in the electorate--some of whom will
protest, write their congresspersons, sign petitions, and generally
make life unpleasant for
At 10:31 AM 1/1/2010, you wrote:
Example: we finally got my mother to buy a small cellphone for which
you buy service with little phone cards, because we didn't want her
to get stranded on the road somewhere, far from help. She keeps it
turned off, most of the time. She's not a Luddite; she
On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 8:52 AM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
On Dec 30, 2009, at 11:43 PM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote:
I'm pretty close to where you were in Vienna. When the switch over
happened
we lost the OTA digital signals for 5, 7 and 9. Now 7 is solid, 5 is
spotty and 9 is
Well, if this is a nonstory, I'll be happy. Killing landlines
would be a nuisance for most of us, a real hardship for some of us,
and a bonanza for the phone companies.
But while we're at it, we might ask why the cellphone service in this
country mostly sucks, why you can't use iPhones
At 11:13 AM 1/1/2010, Tony B wrote:
In fact there's really no news here. As the articles state, we're down
to 1 in 5 households that only have a landline, and that number is
dropping all the time. When, not if.
Because of the word only in the above statement, it's not an interesting
statement.
YMMV. Try the locations and see which works best for you, but consider how each
program works. Does this help?
Excellent!
I propose that whether one keeps the Dock visible or not depends on one's style of working. I often have many apps open at once and frequently switch among them. I usually
I usually avoid this kind of discussion, but I will comment on
Constance' rhetorical question about why US wired/wireless telephony is
very different from other parts of the world. Up until the turn of the
last century, the US had a HUGE investment in copper technology, while
most of rest of
Verizon is helping out on their end. In Baltimore, MD, 3 people I've
talked to last week have found their landlines have been cut by
Verizon over the last couple of months even though they were still
being used. When Verizon finally owned up to the fact, it still took
two weeks for the
Really great site, thanks.
Richard P.
I found an interesting source from the FCC for transmission maps.
http://www.fcc.gov/mb/engineering/maps/
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On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote:
This is one of the worst trolls I've seen on the list in a while. Not
quite as bad as Tom's RAID rants, but right up there. ATT hasn't
petitioned anyone to do anything, they were just answering an FCC
query. Even when you were
I live in one of those areas Verizon sold off their pots service.
Many of the folks in this area are considered rural.
The only options we have are pots or cell. No local VOIP offered here.
Right now I am working with my pots service to get a 6mps DSL
service. Looks like I will be sticking
- Original Message -
From: Eric S. Sande esa...@verizon.net
To: Computer Guys Discussion List COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 1:08 AM
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Kill it!!!
Verizon is helping out on their end.
Interesting. We still have a significant revenue
No, you're thinking of the old landlines of the 50's and 60's. Today
they're over-shared the same as everything else and are probably about
as reliable in an emergency. I mean, there are different types of
emergencies. A 9/11 event will clog all the services. But an accident
in your bathroom can
We rarely even lock our doors when we go out, makes coming back in so easy.
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote:
No, you're thinking of the old landlines of the 50's and 60's. Today
they're over-shared the same as everything else and are probably about
as reliable in
OMG. RAID and POTS. Some of us are not aging well. I'm really
surprised at the high degree fear of change on what is supposed to be
a discussion for techies.
I think anyone who is tech aware has to to admit that the days of POTS
(a switched telephone network) are numbered. It just does not
On Jan 1, 2010, at 12:11 PM, b_s-wilk wrote:
I use the Dock to open programs, to set which apps are loaded at
startup, and to get to the home folder for the app without switching
to the Finder and digging for it. I rarely use it for switching apps.
Depends on how many apps you have open.
On Jan 1, 2010, at 11:03 AM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote:
Apparently the FCC didn't test many if any digital VHF broadcasts
when they
were running both analog and digital. VHF has some nice propagation
properties with requard to longer ranges that they wanted to keep but
significant downsides in
Bringing up ATT again?
Stewart
At 03:55 PM 1/1/2010, you wrote:
Digital does not have to mean poor quality. Analog POTS lines support
a frequency domain from 200 to 2000 Hz at best. Transmitting that
digitally is no big deal. It is true that some crappy carriers try to
push quality below
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote:
No, you're thinking of the old landlines of the 50's and 60's. Today
they're over-shared the same as everything else and are probably about
as reliable in an emergency.
I do not disagree with you on this. However, should there
At 4:58 PM -0500 1/1/10, t.piwowar wrote:
On Jan 1, 2010, at 12:11 PM, b_s-wilk wrote:
I use the Dock to open programs, to set which apps are loaded at
startup, and to get to the home folder for the app without
switching to the Finder and digging for it. I rarely use it for
switching apps.
In the 2010 February issue of Consumer Reports, there are tests of 15
items sold on TV infomercials that use hard-sell language. As one may
suspect, most items did not live up to the claims made therein. But one
got a favorable review, the MagicJack for connecting to VoIP. The
review
does one have reliable 911 with VoIP?
thought one needed a landline for reliable, available 911.
Pls. help me with this issue!
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Robert Carroll carrollcompu...@gmail.comwrote:
In the 2010 February issue of Consumer Reports, there are tests of 15 items
sold on TV
I have been using it for two plus years. Although I am in Brazil I have a Los
Angeles phone number. Call and am called by my daughters and son there. Works
very well. Sometimes it skips a word or something. But otherwise, great.
Marcio
-Original Message-
From: Robert Carroll
There was a FCC directive on this some time ago that required VOIP
providers to give reliable 911 service. Check with the provider to make sure.
I am pretty certain Vonage and them had to do so, or shut down.
This even came up with Cell phone this year locally when it came out
that some of
In answer to your questions:
Whenever you sign up for a VOIP service you are assigned a phone
number. They will give you (A.) a number based on the closest local
exchange they offer. or (B.) a number based in an area code you
choose, again based on the closest local exchange they offer.
In fact there's really no news here. As the articles state, we're down
to 1 in 5 households that only have a landline, and that number is
dropping all the time. When, not if.
The 1 in 5 stat looks like FUD to me.
That's B.S. The United States doesn't have the broadband or cellular
capacity
Most of those statistics take into account young people who are very
mobile and do not have land lines. (Plus metropolitan areas)
My two oldest children fall into that category.
My daughter and son-in-law own a house but have no land line. MY son
lives in an apt. and has no land line.
We'd be cell only but DSL is the only thing that is available here and
adding a landline decreases the total cost of service for the DSL so we keep
it. I couldn't bring myself to pay full price for DSL nightmare.
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall
revsamarsh...@earthlink.net
At 03:50 PM 1/1/2010, Tony B wrote:
A 9/11 event will clog all the services. But an accident
in your bathroom can likely be handled via cell/voip as reliably as a
landline. Maybe better if you have your cell phone with you and don't
have to crawl to the nearest phone. But then, how many of us
At 04:55 PM 1/1/2010, t.piwowar wrote:
I think anyone who is tech aware has to to admit that the days of POTS
(a switched telephone network) are numbered.
I believe that POTS is entirely digital once the copper wire gets to the
junction at the TELCO. No longer switched, except perhaps
At 04:55 PM 1/1/2010, t.piwowar wrote:
We know how to perform this function much better
and at lower cost.
Better is in the eye of the beholder. My opinion is that it is accomplished
at lower cost by cutting corners. I want the good stuff and am willing to
pay for it.
I use MagicJack as a second phone line for making outgoing calls. It works fine
for me most of the time, but sometimes the call breaks up like some cell
phone calls do. Not as reliable as POTS. It also requires a running computer
to connect to the Internet. If you leave your computer on
I've used one for a couple of years now. Generally it works very well although
occasionally the sounds is a little garbled or a syllable may be dropped or
I'll hear an echo. On rare occasion I'll have to call the party again and get
a cleaner connection. I have Fios for internet
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Fred Holmes f...@his.com wrote:
At 04:55 PM 1/1/2010, t.piwowar wrote:
That does not mean that twisted copper pairs are going away. In some
areas twisted pairs will go away. In other areas that will be around
for a long time. What will change is the signaling
Actually a solar panel with a battery would keep you up about 95% of the time.
Most highway departments have used this set up to run warning lights
and sensors on highways for years.
Stewart
At 07:46 PM 1/1/2010, you wrote:
A small solar panel would be nice to keep the system going or at
I have looked into all of these and at present it makes no sense to me.
None of the major VOIP carriers offer a local number so it is of no
use for incoming. As I already bundle my phone service and have
unlimited dialing plus all the calling features plus have an
international plan it makes
Yes and no. If you leave your VOIP (e.g. MagicJack) always at one specific
premises and register that premises with that telephone number at 911 (there is
a process for doing this), then you will have reliable 911 service, just as
landline numbers are registered with 911 (but the registration
Cell phones with GPS can report their location exactly. Primitive cell phones
can only report what tower they are currently connected to. The issue with 911
service is how to handle a phone that is mobile, i.e., is used away from home.
MagicJack can be used away from home. Connect it to
At 06:39 PM 1/1/2010, Robert Carroll wrote:
(1) Is there a source for info about VoIP in general, not just related to
MagicJack.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VOIP
Google VOIP.
Google whatever terms you don't understand when reading about VOIP.
The most modern phone you have that works on POTS is a corded handset. I
suspect one could also use a cordless handset, if one were to plug the base
station into the MagicJack. (just as the base station is plugged into the
RJ-11 wall outlet the same way that a corded handset is plugged into a
Stewart says:
None of the major VOIP carriers offer a local number so it is of no
use for incoming. As I already bundle my phone service and have
unlimited dialing plus all the calling features plus have an
international plan it makes no financial sense to me.
Until a VOIP service offers
202 may be local, but mine is 334 which includes Montgomery (90 miles
away) and a variety of other areas not even close. I can only dial 2
different exchanges and get a local call. Since my members all call
my home # I need to keep it.
Once the new cable company comes in this might change
Before we trash the old, copper-wire (or even fiber-optic) landlines,
I'd like to point out an inconvenient truth: in a lot of places and
circumstances, cellphones will not work. Here are just a few cases
where cellphones will fail:
1. Below ground, in parking garages, the below-ground
No, I have a cordless phone. Of course I must connect the base with the cord at
the MagicJack USB Connection. But this is all. Also I believe it has 911
because it warns me that because I am out of the USA the 911 will not work.
Marcio
-Original Message-
From: Robert Carroll
I have a Vtech cordless phone with two basis. Work fine.
Marcio
-Original Message-
From: Fred Holmes f...@his.com
Sent: Jan 1, 2010 9:21 PM
To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] MagicJack: a VoIP question
The most modern phone you have that works on POTS is a corded
Actually, that's two questions. First, you may use your existing
telephones with MJ, but you don't have to. It comes with an interface
that easily switches to headset so any headset (or mic and speakers)
can work.
No, pulse dialing is ancient history. You could not dial a number from
a rotary
I am here in Brazil, I have a Los Angeles number where mu daughters are and we
can call each other without having to pay by minute. They justcall my Los
Angeles number... and I call their numbers. All included.
Marcio
-Original Message-
From: Tourbus Rider Stuart Carlow
Yes, Fred I get the messages by e-mail and open them with Nero. I also cancall
my number at MagicJack and listen to the messages and erase them.
Marcio
-Original Message-
From: Fred Holmes f...@his.com
Sent: Jan 1, 2010 8:59 PM
To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Subject: Re: [CGUYS]
Don't forget that you can also get VOIP services like Skype at zero
cost.
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On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 4:55 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
OMG. RAID and POTS. Some of us are not aging well. I'm really surprised at
the high degree fear of change on what is supposed to be a discussion for
techies.
I believe the only real fear of change as per this discussion is the
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 8:46 PM, Tourbus Rider Stuart Carlow
noodni...@aol.com wrote:
As far as 911 is concerned, yes you can place 911 calls, but I don't believe
that the 911 folks can trace the call to your specific address. And of
course (1) your computer has to be on at the time, and (2)
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