Re: [Cooker] Why ext3fs is a default fs, not ReiserFS?

2002-10-15 Thread Thierry Vignaud
Leon Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The command adds the journal to the filesystem as a hidden file without bringing it on line. I've done this on countless systems live without problems. the point is that if you enable journaling on a journal that *may* have already errors, since you will

Re: [Cooker] Why ext3fs is a default fs, not ReiserFS?

2002-10-14 Thread Thierry Vignaud
Leon Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: tune2fs -j /dev/hdaX i would do this only in single mode after having fully checked the fs with fsck to be sure to rely on journal protection for new operations whereas some errors were still there in the fs.

Re: [Cooker] Why ext3fs is a default fs, not ReiserFS?

2002-10-14 Thread Leon Brooks
On Monday 14 October 2002 10:40 am, J. Greenlees wrote: well, when I went ext3 I started getting major shutdown problems, where the system can't unmount device, like eth0 and /dev/fd0 ( thelast is really wierd the device is busy and no such device on the computer ) it is faster, and

Re: [Cooker] Why ext3fs is a default fs, not ReiserFS?

2002-10-14 Thread Leon Brooks
On Monday 14 October 2002 05:03 pm, Thierry Vignaud wrote: Leon Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: tune2fs -j /dev/hdaX i would do this only in single mode after having fully checked the fs with fsck to be sure to rely on journal protection for new operations whereas some errors were

Re: [Cooker] Why ext3fs is a default fs, not ReiserFS?

2002-10-13 Thread Gary Lawrence Murphy
B == Biagio Lucini [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: B Seriously, you have given a partial view of what ext3 is. There B are serious reasons to choose it in my view This is a naive question and my first-guess is that it is not possible, but is there any way to 'upgrade' a live file-system to

Re: [Cooker] Why ext3fs is a default fs, not ReiserFS?

2002-10-13 Thread Vox
Silly Gary Lawrence Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] becomes daring and writes: B == Biagio Lucini [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: B Seriously, you have given a partial view of what ext3 is. There B are serious reasons to choose it in my view This is a naive question and my first-guess is that

Re: [Cooker] Why ext3fs is a default fs, not ReiserFS?

2002-10-13 Thread Leon Brooks
On Monday 14 October 2002 08:43 am, Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote: This is a naive question and my first-guess is that it is not possible, but is there any way to 'upgrade' a live file-system to ext3? I have some older machines that could benefit, but it's not worth doing a complete re-install

Re: [Cooker] Why ext3fs is a default fs, not ReiserFS?

2002-10-13 Thread Jason Straight
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Yeah, and the good news with ext3 as opposed to another fs is that if the kernel for some reason can't mount it as ext3 it can still mount as ext2. On Sunday 13 October 2002 22:40, Leon Brooks wrote: On Monday 14 October 2002 08:43 am, Gary

Re: [Cooker] Why ext3fs is a default fs, not ReiserFS?

2002-10-13 Thread J. Greenlees
Vox wrote: Silly Gary Lawrence Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] becomes daring and writes: B == Biagio Lucini [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: B Seriously, you have given a partial view of what ext3 is. There B are serious reasons to choose it in my view This is a naive question and my

Re: [Cooker] Why ext3fs is a default fs, not ReiserFS?

2002-10-11 Thread Todd Lyons
Jason Straight wrote on Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 08:19:15PM -0400 : For me the problem was that files which weren't even being written to would get fragged with data from other files ending up mixed in with them. This I make it a point to use notail for reiser. I don't like the tail packing.

Re: [Cooker] Why ext3fs is a default fs, not ReiserFS?

2002-10-11 Thread Todd Lyons
Dave Fluri wrote on Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 12:35:03AM -0400 : I've never had a lick of trouble with either ext3 or ReiserFS. After a couple of years of trouble-free use of ReiserFS, I installed Debian on this same machine. I wanted to share a partition between Mandrake and Debian. At the

Re: [Cooker] Why ext3fs is a default fs, not ReiserFS?

2002-10-11 Thread Dave Fluri
vendredi, le 11 octobre, 2002 18h21, Todd Lyons a écrit: Dave Fluri wrote on Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 12:35:03AM -0400 : I've never had a lick of trouble with either ext3 or ReiserFS. After a couple of years of trouble-free use of ReiserFS, I installed Debian on this same machine. I wanted to

Re: [Cooker] Why ext3fs is a default fs, not ReiserFS?

2002-10-11 Thread Brent Hasty
On Thursday 10 October 2002 04:42, Buchan Milne wrote: Aleksander Adamowski wrote: In the 9.0 installer, during the Setup filesystem stage, when you create a new partition, by default its filesystem type is tset to ext3fs. Now I have to tell all the newbie converts that install Linux to

[Cooker] Why ext3fs is a default fs, not ReiserFS?

2002-10-10 Thread Aleksander Adamowski
In the 9.0 installer, during the Setup filesystem stage, when you create a new partition, by default its filesystem type is tset to ext3fs. Now I have to tell all the newbie converts that install Linux to manually change it to ReiserFS, because it is a more advanced filesystem. After all,

Re: [Cooker] Why ext3fs is a default fs, not ReiserFS?

2002-10-10 Thread Biagio Lucini
On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Aleksander Adamowski wrote: In the 9.0 installer, during the Setup filesystem stage, when you create a new partition, by default its filesystem type is tset to ext3fs. Now I have to tell all the newbie converts that install Linux to manually change it to ReiserFS,

Re: [Cooker] Why ext3fs is a default fs, not ReiserFS?

2002-10-10 Thread Per ?yvind Karlsen
ReiserFS is still not to be trusted.. I have experienced this for myself and alot of other people are complaining too... oh well, back to work*sigh* Aleksander Adamowski wrote: In the 9.0 installer, during the Setup filesystem stage, when you create a new partition, by default its

Re: [Cooker] Why ext3fs is a default fs, not ReiserFS?

2002-10-10 Thread danny
On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Aleksander Adamowski wrote: Now I have to tell all the newbie converts that install Linux to manually change it to ReiserFS, because it is a more advanced filesystem. After all, ext3 is just ext2 with a journal strapped-on. ReiserFS is a new vision to filesystem

Re: [Cooker] Why ext3fs is a default fs, not ReiserFS?

2002-10-10 Thread Thierry Vignaud
Biagio Lucini [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Seriously, you have given a partial view of what ext3 is. There are serious reasons to choose it in my view, among which: a) back compatibility with ext2 (conversion to and fro on the fly and possibility of mounting clean ext3 partitions as ext2) b)

Re: [Cooker] Why ext3fs is a default fs, not ReiserFS?

2002-10-10 Thread Thierry Vignaud
Per ?yvind Karlsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ReiserFS is still not to be trusted.. reiserfs can write up to 30 seconds after a program do some writing, so if something happens before the end of these 30 seconds (power outrage, hard lock, disk disconnection, reset, ...), all the metadata'll be

RE: [Cooker] Why ext3fs is a default fs, not ReiserFS?

2002-10-10 Thread Malte Starostik
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Aleksander Adamowski Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 9:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Cooker] Why ext3fs is a default fs, not ReiserFS? In the 9.0 installer, during the Setup filesystem stage

Re: [Cooker] Why ext3fs is a default fs, not ReiserFS?

2002-10-10 Thread Steffen Barszus
On Thursday 10 October 2002 10:18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Aleksander Adamowski wrote: Now I have to tell all the newbie converts that install Linux to manually change it to ReiserFS, because it is a more advanced filesystem. After all, ext3 is just ext2 with a

Re: [Cooker] Why ext3fs is a default fs, not ReiserFS?

2002-10-10 Thread Per Øyvind Karlsen
Steffen Barszus wrote: On Thursday 10 October 2002 10:18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Aleksander Adamowski wrote: Now I have to tell all the newbie converts that install Linux to manually change it to ReiserFS, because it is a more advanced filesystem. After all,

Re: [Cooker] Why ext3fs is a default fs, not ReiserFS?

2002-10-10 Thread Marcel Pol
On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:12:12 +0200 Per ?yvind Karlsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ReiserFS is still not to be trusted.. I have experienced this for myself and alot of other people are complaining too... It seems everyone has the same bad experiences with reiser. My experiences are different

Re: [Cooker] Why ext3fs is a default fs, not ReiserFS?

2002-10-10 Thread Buchan Milne
Aleksander Adamowski wrote: In the 9.0 installer, during the Setup filesystem stage, when you create a new partition, by default its filesystem type is tset to ext3fs. Now I have to tell all the newbie converts that install Linux to manually change it to ReiserFS, because it is a more

Re: [Cooker] Why ext3fs is a default fs, not ReiserFS?

2002-10-10 Thread Aleksander Adamowski
Thierry Vignaud wrote: d) ext3 has a much better fsck suite : - currently, reiserfs / is never fcsked on boot if needed because of broken fsck that refuse to check ro mounted fs (thought it seems to have recently be fixed) - reiserfsck don't handle std fsck's option set ext3

Re: [Cooker] Why ext3fs is a default fs, not ReiserFS?

2002-10-10 Thread Thierry Vignaud
Aleksander Adamowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ReiserFS people have an excellent vision of next-gen plugin-based filesystem, but it turns out it's not quite ready yet.* a reiserfs4 snapshot is expected soon for linux-2.5.x. as for production usage, you can wait ... When (if) it becomes

Re: [Cooker] Why ext3fs is a default fs, not ReiserFS?

2002-10-10 Thread Per Øyvind Karlsen
Aleksander Adamowski wrote: Thierry Vignaud wrote: d) ext3 has a much better fsck suite : - currently, reiserfs / is never fcsked on boot if needed because of broken fsck that refuse to check ro mounted fs (thought it seems to have recently be fixed) - reiserfsck don't handle

Re: [Cooker] Why ext3fs is a default fs, not ReiserFS?

2002-10-10 Thread Guy.Bormann
[snip] ReiserFS people have an excellent vision of next-gen plugin-based filesystem, but it turns out it's not quite ready yet. When (if) it becomes ready, however, it will replace ext?fs without doubt (my doubt, anyway ;-) ). Mmm, that's what they keep telling about translators on the

Re: [Cooker] Why ext3fs is a default fs, not ReiserFS?

2002-10-10 Thread Michal Bukovjan
andre wrote: On Thursday 10 October 2002 14:32, Per Øyvind Karlsen wrote: btw. reiserfs does not *support* bad blocks marking yet, that's kinda annoying too... Isn't that done today in the harddisk itself? Don't think you need it Not really, as I recently found the hard way on my IBM

Re: [Cooker] Why ext3fs is a default fs, not ReiserFS?

2002-10-10 Thread andre
On Thursday 10 October 2002 14:32, Per Øyvind Karlsen wrote: btw. reiserfs does not *support* bad blocks marking yet, that's kinda annoying too... Isn't that done today in the harddisk itself? Don't think you need it

Re: [Cooker] Why ext3fs is a default fs, not ReiserFS?

2002-10-10 Thread Jason Straight
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 If I had a nickel for every file reiserfs fragged on a busy server it still woudln't come close to paying for the downtime - ext3 is rock solid. On Thursday 10 October 2002 09:20 am, andre wrote: On Thursday 10 October 2002 14:32, Per Øyvind

Re: [Cooker] Why ext3fs is a default fs, not ReiserFS?

2002-10-10 Thread danny
On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Michal Bukovjan wrote: Not really, as I recently found the hard way on my IBM DTLA-xxx 60GB. another victim of this IBM series. It is done in the hardware, untill you reach a certain maximum (no backup sectors are available anymore for the bad ones). That said, the

Re: [Cooker] Why ext3fs is a default fs, not ReiserFS?

2002-10-10 Thread Todd Lyons
Jason Straight wrote on Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 09:45:45AM -0400 : -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 If I had a nickel for every file reiserfs fragged on a busy server it still woudln't come close to paying for the downtime - ext3 is rock solid. cool reiserfsck --check reiserfsck

Re: [Cooker] Why ext3fs is a default fs, not ReiserFS?

2002-10-10 Thread Jason Straight
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 For me the problem was that files which weren't even being written to would get fragged with data from other files ending up mixed in with them. This would happen on machines that had been running for long periods of time with uptimes nearing 200+

Re: [Cooker] Why ext3fs is a default fs, not ReiserFS?

2002-10-10 Thread Leon Brooks
On Friday 11 October 2002 08:19 am, Jason Straight wrote: On Thursday 10 October 2002 07:17 pm, Todd Lyons wrote: Jason Straight wrote on Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 09:45:45AM -0400 : If I had a nickel for every file reiserfs fragged on a busy server it still woudln't come close to paying for the

Re: [Cooker] Why ext3fs is a default fs, not ReiserFS?

2002-10-10 Thread Dave Fluri
jeudi. le 10 octobre 10, 2002 04h12, Per ?yvind Karlsen a crit: ReiserFS is still not to be trusted.. I have experienced this for myself and alot of other people are complaining too... oh well, back to work*sigh* Aleksander Adamowski wrote: In the 9.0 installer, during the Setup