Re: [courier-users] (no subject)

2002-03-14 Thread Sysop
Robert Popescu wrote: Hi, I have a big problem with my Courier-Imap Server. When I send an email a receive an error message that say Invalid mailbox name and the send window remain open on moving message to send folder. The message is leaving ok but he is not saved in Send Messages folder. I

Re: [courier-users] Re: Message Storage in a SQL database (ie MySQL)

2002-03-11 Thread Sysop
Michael Kingsbury wrote: No, but you do have the benefit of moving the SQL database to hardware other than the mail server. I'd think that an SQL backend would allow for better clustering than flat files as well. -mike What's wrong with a NFS server for the maildir locations? Central,

Re: [courier-users] Violates 821 ...

2002-03-09 Thread Sysop
Christoph Puppe wrote: Salve, I'm not really happy. I'm trying to post mail by way of telnet and always get 517 Violates RFC 821. Now I went and Cut'n Pasted the stuff from the RFC but still I get the same error, so the way I've been using telnet to test MTAs since a few years wasn't

Re: [courier-users] Continuing problems implementing Courier

2002-03-03 Thread Sysop
Well, first off, courier is supposed to replace sendmail, so if you still have sendmail, get rid of it. Michael Carter wrote: I'm still stuggling to get courier to work...I'd really like to as it sounds like the solution I need. Nonetheless, documentation isn't really clear as to how to

Re: [courier-users] problem with authdaemon socket under redhat7.2

2002-03-03 Thread Sysop
Brian Smith wrote: Hello Sam, everyone. I hope this is an actual problem, because I've been going nuts trying to figure out what's happening. I have access to another system running an older version of this same suite of apps, and it seems to work (tho much different OS/kernel rev). Anyway,

Re: [courier-users] No user generates a new user ...

2002-02-28 Thread Sysop
Tim Hosking wrote: This seems like a bad idea (I could spam your server and create 1000 new accounts just for the hell of it). How about scaling it down a bit and having such mail delivered to a single nominated account with a custom filter installed. When mail arrives for an address that has

Re: [courier-users] HELP!

2002-02-26 Thread Sysop
When using something like Mysql auth, or authdb, or even postgresql, you can adjust it so that the usernames include the domain peice. SO you would have a user john@domain1 and a user john@domains2. This is what I do with my courier, and I am able to host a few domains for mail, with

Re: [courier-users] virtual domains - pop3 auth fails

2002-02-20 Thread Sysop
Jean Rocha Rodrigues wrote: This file doesn't exist... Tks, Jean Ok, then wherever your maillogs exist. On my redhat system, then get logged to /var/log/maillog, perhaps it's different on your system. Bottom line, it's difficult to help, without seeing actual output from Courier.

Re: [courier-users] virtual domains - pop3 auth fails

2002-02-20 Thread Sysop
Jean Rocha Rodrigues wrote: I get that from syslog: Feb 20 16:23:07 barbie courierpop3login: LOGIN FAILED, ip=[:::192.168.0.3] Ok, is the username barbie or barbie@domain ? All my usernames are [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___

Re: Fw: [courier-users] virtual domains - pop3 auth fails

2002-02-20 Thread Sysop
Jean Rocha Rodrigues wrote: I made some modifications and got this error form /var/log/messages: Feb 20 17:46:55 barbie courierpop3login: Maildir: Permission denied Tks for help so far. Did you set up this person's maildir? ___ courier-users

Re: Fw: [courier-users] virtual domains - pop3 auth fails

2002-02-20 Thread Sysop
Jean Rocha Rodrigues wrote: yep maildirmake -f user /var/spool/mail/domain/ in userdb file, mail is set to /var/spool/mail/domain/user and home is set to /var/spool/mail/ my username is [EMAIL PROTECTED] courier creates a .user (dot user) directory. i have configured courier with

Re: [courier-users] Completely remove Courier

2002-02-19 Thread Sysop
M.B. wrote: Hi, Thanks for the information but this is a typical message I get. You are telling me to stick with Courier but my problems are not getting resolved. I posted a complete readout of my SSH which probably pist some of you off, sorry, but there are no answers PAM is taken care of

Re: [courier-users] Re: Problems after install- please help .. closer maybe

2002-02-18 Thread Sysop
M.B. wrote: Hi, pac10fans.com was set as locally-hosted domain . I went to add it to local domains and I got this error 'ERROR: domain cannot be both local and locally-hosted' I will delete the locally-hosted one and add it to local domains and report back

Re: [courier-users] .courier

2002-02-15 Thread Sysop
could be better written as if ( /^subject:.*\[announce\]/ || /^[list-post|list-id]:.*announce/ ) { to ./Maildir/.announce } HTH, later.- - Original Message - From: Sysop To: 'Courier' Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 10:59 PM Subject: [courier-users] .courier Does anybody have

Re: [courier-users] Courier MTA on win32 platform?

2002-02-13 Thread Sysop
Can't be done. I understand the need for more MS support for CLIENTS, but for SERVERS? Come on... there is nothing wrong with having a solaris box or a linux box running your mail. Honestly, it's just silly to try to move it to win32 platform. Im a MCSE, and consider that my professional

Re: [courier-users] simple question about maildirmake

2002-02-13 Thread Sysop
Use your email CLIENT to make the subfolders. Your client will create a folder like .folder within your Maildir directory. The maildirmake utility is to make the initial maildir setup, not to make subdirectories. M. van der Kolk wrote: -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL

Re: [courier-users] courier-imap / postfix / procmail outlook ??

2002-02-13 Thread Sysop
Marc van Duivenvoorde wrote: wow some subject, I've got the following config, I use postfix as mta and for my own account I pipe all my mail through procmail which puts all mail in certain imap subfolders. Now when I check my mail with outlook it just shows the mail in the main inbox and only

Re: [courier-users] courier .37.2 authlib refuse to authenticate

2002-02-08 Thread Sysop
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to check, you stopped all the courier processes aswell, right? Bryan Hi, I installed courier .37.2 by building rpms. I was running .35 previously. This is what I did: I backed up /etc/courier. I uninstalled the courier rpms I then blew away /etc/courier,

Re: [courier-users] courier .37.2 authlib refuse to authenticate

2002-02-08 Thread Sysop
Roland Schneider wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 08.02.2002 07:09 -0500: Hi, I installed courier .37.2 by building rpms. I was running .35 previously. This is what I did: I backed up /etc/courier. I uninstalled the courier rpms I then blew away /etc/courier, /var/spool/courier,

Re: [courier-users] Re: Dropping mail

2002-02-07 Thread Sysop
Tim Hosking wrote: Delivering it to /dev/null from a filter doesn't work? I tried symlinking a users ~/Maildir/new --- /dev/null but courier didn't like delivering there. I eventually just setup a cron job to wipe out the new folder ever 5 minutes or so.

Re: [courier-users] Trouble in post-installation checks...

2002-02-07 Thread Sysop
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! I am new to Courier, but I want to use it :-)) I did step-by-step things in install.html and there was no problems until the post-installation checks. The Test child process termination test failing. I think the porblem is that courier start does not start any

Re: [courier-users] mime problem Courier Mail Server 0.37

2002-02-07 Thread Sysop
Walter Taucher wrote: I am getting several of the following when receiving attachments. The attachments come thru as Please refer to the archives. This has been covered WAY too many times. There are multiple solutions to this problem, one of them should suite you just fine.

[courier-users] .courier

2002-02-07 Thread Sysop
Does anybody have an example of a .courier flile that filters a maillist and delivers it to a folder within inbox? TIA. ___ courier-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/courier-users

Re: [courier-users] Dropping mail

2002-02-06 Thread Sysop
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Is there any way to make courier drop incoming mail (from a specific email address) without returning an error message to the sender. Thanks ___ courier-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe:

[courier-users] Maildirquota + MySql

2002-02-06 Thread Sysop
Has anybody successfully achieved maildirquota support, using authmysql? Complete courier system, front to back. I've adjusted authmysql.rc file to look in the table for a quota field, then populated this field... but seems to be ignoreing this. So, has anybody? TIA jkeating j2solutions.net

Re: [courier-users] FW: Re: 8-bit content, no mime revisited

2002-02-05 Thread Sysop
Tim Hosking wrote: on 5/2/02 1:12 pm, Walter Taucher at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are getting mail rejected as well. The interesting note here is that in our test with one client using Eudora 5.1, if the sender removes the automatic signature at the Bottom of the message, the message goes

Re: [courier-users] Re: Activating BOFHBADMIME

2002-02-05 Thread Sysop
Timo Metzemakers wrote: Mark Constable [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just checking how to activate the new BOFHBADMIME setting in v0.37.2. I've created a file called /etc/courier/bofh with a single line of opt BOFHBADMIME=accept. Should this work to allow bad attachments thru without modifying the

Re: [courier-users] FW: Re: 8-bit content, no mime revisited

2002-02-05 Thread Sysop
Tim Hosking wrote: Extremely helpful. Thank you. I am running courier-0.37.0.20020112 which cannot be considered old by any standards. If you mean by checking the documentation I should type 'man courier' and searching for 'bofh' I have done exactly that, and also checked the latest docs on

Re: [courier-users] Is this bug true?

2002-02-05 Thread Sysop
Leonardo Cabral wrote: Hi: I'm quite new with courier, and I've a server running it since a few days for testing. I another discussion list about other mail server, someone wrote: No doubt! Courier has an interesting (and evidently fairly well-known) little problem where you can freak it out

Re: [courier-users] Webmail sender adress

2002-02-04 Thread Sysop
Oliver Bausinger wrote: Hi, this is with latest courier (31012002). The webmail interface uses user@hostname instead of [EMAIL PROTECTED] as sender adress, and therefore mail is not delivered. I set /etc/courier/me correctly, but that doesn't help. Someone here knows where to look? Greetings

[courier-users] Quota for one user

2002-02-04 Thread Sysop
Is there a way to impliment a quota for just one user? I have a problem user who likes to sign up for maillists then forgets to check his account for a while... then racks up a couple hundred new email messages, and I'm getting kind of sick of it. thanx in advance, jkeating

Re: [courier-users] Deleting messages automatically after pop3 session

2002-01-29 Thread Sysop
Carlos Andres Paz wrote: Hi list! Would someone please tell me if it's possible to configure the courier pop3 server to erase message automatically after retrieval, and if this feature can be configured per domain ? Thanks! This is usually a feature of the client, an option to leave

Re: [courier-users] I.P. based (virtual) multiple Domains ...

2002-01-25 Thread Sysop
Tomas Fasth wrote: I see. Anyway, I like it as it is. The list is just distributing messages on behalf of real people. I appreciate to see the original poster as sender. tomas/ Seeing the sender is one thing, changing the 'replay-to' header is completely different. You can see who it

Re: [courier-users] Attachment limit with sqwebmail

2002-01-24 Thread Sysop
Roland Schneider wrote: --Sysop wrote on 24.01.2002 10:28 -0800: I have a user that is trying to send a large attachment through the webmail interface... The problem is, it allows the user to upload the entire file before it barks about the file being too large... But only one time, after

Re: [courier-users] Re: WEBADMIN PASSWORD

2002-01-24 Thread Sysop
David Chin wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Sam Varshavchik write s: Papo Napolitano writes: As I don't trust plaintext passwords in files (no matter the permissions) I If you don't trust POSIX permissions, well, it's time to give up on *NIX completely, and reformat and install NT.

Re: [courier-users] I.P. based (virtual) multiple Domains ...

2002-01-24 Thread Sysop
Johannes Erdfelt wrote: This is a feature: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html JE I know it's a 'feature', but it's an incredibly annoying one and frankly uneeded. Of all the lists I participate in, this is the only one that atleast doesnt modify the 'reply-to' header, yet none

Re: [courier-users] I.P. based (virtual) multiple Domains ...

2002-01-24 Thread Sysop
Randy Lewis (Kenneth R. Lewis) wrote: Hmmm. the expressed need is getting lost here. Let me try again. Qmail (ick...) allows for multiple virtual domains, distinguished one from the other by using a different I.P. address for each domain. POP IMAP (let's use POP for this example) clearly

Re: [courier-users] Re: Attachment limit with sqwebmail

2002-01-24 Thread Sysop
Sam Varshavchik wrote: Sysop writes: Is there a config somewhere that I can set the max attachment size? I have not been able to find it yet. See INSTALL. Also, is it desired effect to upload the entire thing before checking the size of it?! sqwebmail doesn't yet have

Re: [courier-users] Re: Attachment limit with sqwebmail

2002-01-24 Thread Sysop
Sam Varshavchik wrote: Again, this is a compile time ONLY option? Kind of difficult when doing a rpm compile no? Nope, not difficult at all. So, care to point out some docs on how to accomplish this while compiling for rpm? Feel free to rewrite HTTP 1.1, and have your replacement

Re: [courier-users] scan with nessus

2002-01-20 Thread Sysop
Robert Penz wrote: Hi! i've just scanned my mail server with nessus, and it found that -- . Warning found on port smtp (25/tcp) The remote SMTP server answers to the EXPN and/or VRFY commands. The EXPN command can be used to find the delivery address of mail

[courier-users] .courier info...

2002-01-20 Thread Sysop
I temporarily have to forward all new mail to a user to an external email address. Is this something that can be done with a .courier file? If so, how? Or better yet, if so, can you point me in the direction of documentation on it? TIA Jkeating j2solutions.net

Re: [courier-users] .courier info...

2002-01-20 Thread Sysop
Bill Michell wrote: The line should be enough. I suspect you're not processing the file for some reason. -- Bill Michell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Sysop [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 12:58 AM To: Bill Michell Subject: Re: [courier-users

Re: [courier-users] Re: RFC2045_ERR8BITHEADER and RFC2045_ERR8BITCONTENT

2002-01-18 Thread Sysop
Mark Constable wrote: Such a pity. I provide a small Linux distro and sell pre-configured boxes and have spent 1/2 a year ramping up to the next u-beaut no-shell-accounts-on-this-baby version and cannot possibly justify including courier-mta when it will cause so much grief for those who deploy

Re: [courier-users] Brightening Sam's day...

2002-01-18 Thread Sysop
Michael Carmack wrote: On Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 10:05:00PM -0600, David M . Stowell wrote: I see so many posts on this list criticizing courier, and even Sam's character. Let me register as someone who is running courier on my business domain, and am quite pleased with it (granted, it's small

Re: [courier-users] virtual email

2002-01-17 Thread Sysop
Tony Bibbs wrote: I'm a Courier convert and I've dug around in the installation document an can't seem to find how to configure Courier to use virtual email accounts as opposed to creating valid system accounts (I'll be using mysql authentication). Any points of reference, gotchas, etc would be

Re: [courier-users] virtual email

2002-01-17 Thread Sysop
Tony Bibbs wrote: Thanks Peter, that helps! OK, so what I did was I created a user called courieruser and the system, for example, give it a uid of 3 and a gid of 4. I did an alter table on passwd so that the uid/gid default to those values and I did an update on the table to apply those values

Re: [courier-users] A virtual example

2002-01-17 Thread Sysop
thomas debel wrote: There doesn't seem to be a working example and was hoping for one: [EMAIL PROTECTED]unix account = bob1 [EMAIL PROTECTED]unix account = bob2 [EMAIL PROTECTED]unix account = bob3 How to keep the bob's email seperate. We tried all the solutions in the docs

Re: [courier-users] MTA Comparison

2002-01-16 Thread Sysop
Drew Raines wrote: Valdas Andrulis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Qmail without patches is of no use in real world. Ridiculous. Every MTA has its merits. Millions of emails are sent daily with stock qmail. And billions are sent with exchange. Doesn't mean it's worth anything (I have no clue about

Re: [courier-users] Sent Items and Drafts folders in IMAP server

2002-01-16 Thread Sysop
Fabián Eduardo Barco wrote: Hi, I am using red hat 6.1, sendmail and courier-imap 1.3.9. My mail clients are Outlook 98, 2000 and XP, Outlook Express 5, 5.5 and 6. There is a way for the Sent Items and Drafs Folders keep in the server, not in outlook.pst? thanks. Fabián

Re: [courier-users] Start IMAP server from xinetd?

2002-01-15 Thread Sysop
Daniel E. Sabath wrote: I've gotten the Courier IMAP server to work on my Linux box (RedHat 7.1), and it functions fine. However, the courier-imap.sysvinit script doesn't seem to work for me. Since this incarnation of Linux uses xinetd to start internet services rather than inetd, I was looking

Re: [courier-users] Start IMAP server from xinetd?

2002-01-15 Thread Sysop
Daniel E. Sabath wrote: On 1/15/2002 9:31 AM, Sysop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel E. Sabath wrote: I've gotten the Courier IMAP server to work on my Linux box (RedHat 7.1), and it functions fine. However, the courier-imap.sysvinit script doesn't seem to work for me. Since this incarnation

Re: [courier-users] Webadmin: ERROR: Invalid password

2002-01-11 Thread Sysop
Nat Sakimura wrote: Hello. Thanks for your reply. According to the install instructions, to me, it appears like using it from the local address or via SSL is adequate. Am I missing something? Nat - Original Message - From: "Sysop" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Courier&qu

Re: [courier-users] userdb and pop3 / cannot login

2002-01-09 Thread Sysop
Benjamin Constant wrote: I think you can not use the @ sign in virtual adresses for portability purposes (some client mua are not able to work with account@domain for the login field) It also means that you can not have more than one alias for all the domain you are hosting - e.g.

Re: [courier-users] Question regarding RH Linux 7.1

2002-01-09 Thread Sysop
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 01/09/2002 2:18:33 P US Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If we knew how to repair it, we would know exactly what your problem is and maybe able to help.. However at a guess, i believe RH 7.1 was the first release where

Re: [courier-users] rpm

2002-01-08 Thread Sysop
mark donaldson wrote: HI Does anyone know where there is a Red Hat version 7.2 RPM for the Courier Mail Server? _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

Re: [courier-users] [Fwd: headers for spammers] how would you block these?

2002-01-08 Thread Sysop
Sam Varshavchik wrote: On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Sysop wrote: Attached is a txt file with headers from a few messages getting sent to one of my users what would you guys put in your bofh file? Nothing. I would block the actual source of the spew, via smtpaccess. Hrmm, this is what I'm after

[courier-users] Bit-bucket accounts

2002-01-08 Thread Sysop
What is the best way to bit-bucket an account? I tried linking the Mialdir/new directory to /dev/null but courier didn't like that very much... ___ courier-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe:

Re: [courier-users] Re: how would you block these?

2002-01-08 Thread Sysop
Sam Varshavchik wrote: Sysop writes: Sam Varshavchik wrote: On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Sysop wrote: Attached is a txt file with headers from a few messages getting sent to one of my users what would you guys put in your bofh file? Nothing. I would block the actual source of the spew

Re: [courier-users] Re: Bit-bucket accounts

2002-01-08 Thread Sysop
Sam Varshavchik wrote: Sysop writes: What is the best way to bit-bucket an account? I tried linking the Mialdir/new directory to /dev/null but courier didn't like that very much... Install a .courier file with a single blank line (non-zero file length). .courier in the Maildir folder

Re: [courier-users] pop-before-smtp

2002-01-07 Thread Sysop
Robert Penz wrote: Hi! I want to use courier for pop/imap and mta, but I didn't find anything about pop-before-smtp if I only use courier, I found some infos how to use courier pop/imap with other mta's, but nothing about courier-pop with courier-imap. thx, for your help. What exactly are

Re: addendum to [courier-users] Inbound traffic jam

2002-01-07 Thread Sysop
David M . Stowell wrote: I've attached what bounced back from one of my attempts to send a message into my courier server from an outside account. To reiterate, sending throught courier is working wonderfully from any of my machines in my network, and receiving between machines in the

Re: addendum to [courier-users] Inbound traffic jam

2002-01-07 Thread Sysop
Sysop wrote: David M . Stowell wrote: I've attached what bounced back from one of my attempts to send a message into my courier server from an outside account. To reiterate, sending throught courier is working wonderfully from any of my machines in my network, and receiving between

Re: [courier-users] another problem with headers

2002-01-07 Thread Sysop
Nerijus Baliunas wrote: Hi, Actual header in a message is: To: Aida \(E-mail\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] If a message is viewed through IMAP, my mail client displays it as: To: Aida \\(E-mail\\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Log: 02:48:50: Mail log: * 3 FETCH (ENVELOPE (Mon, 29 Oct 2001 22:22:43 +0100 ku rtu

Re: [courier-users] Relay for dynamic clients

2002-01-02 Thread Sysop
Sysop wrote: So I have come clients, that need to use me as an SMTP server. Problem is, they are on DHCP, so I can't easily add them to the smtpaccesslist. I would like to enable it so that certian hosts, EG static hosts, can rely period. And those that are on DHCP can supply

Re: [courier-users] Re: Relay for dynamic clients

2002-01-02 Thread Sysop
Sam Varshavchik wrote: Sysop writes: close but not quite... I think i was just looking for some better documentation on the way you configure the ESMTP engine to auth users to relay through it See the instructions in the esmtpd configuration file. # To enable authenticated SMTP

Re: [courier-users] Courier 20011230

2001-12-30 Thread Sysop
Sam Varshavchik wrote: Download: http://www.courier-mta.org/download.php Fixes memory corruption in groupware calendaring. I found this one, which means that there aren't too many people who are checking out the groupware calendaring mode. So, I'll just sit on the code for a little

Re: [courier-users] SMTP auth

2001-12-28 Thread Sysop
HAHA, cool! Nick Riemondi wrote: I bumped up the connections to 20, and I still can't get it to work with Outlook Express, however it does work with Netscape Communicator. So I can just call it a Microsoft error and move on... : ) Thanks. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I seem to remember

Re: [courier-users] How the hell was this spam delivered?

2001-12-27 Thread Sysop
How did you expect it NOT to get delivered? Everything looks cool, do you not accept email from an unknown user or somethign? You can add that persons domain into your bofh file, or just that account, but I fail to see how you expect it NOT to get delivered. Tim Hosking wrote: Hi. I just

Re: [courier-users] How the hell was this spam delivered?

2001-12-27 Thread Sysop
THey buried the REAL destination in the headers, and spoofed the To field it looks like. Tim Hosking wrote: on 27/12/01 12:39 pm, Sysop at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look at the TO: field in the header. That address has nothing to do with my server. I do not host homelenders.com and I have

Re: [courier-users] Re: Calandering

2001-12-12 Thread Sysop
James Henry wrote: Is there a better how-to on calandering? My users are getting Lost connection to the calander server. Can you help? My users are using mysql-auth. Make sure pcpd is running. Kudos to you for letting the users loose at beta code. Hrmm, i haven't seen anything about

Re: [courier-users] RPM install of courier-0.36.1.20011210

2001-12-11 Thread Sysop
seeing, then just run rpm -Uvh --nodeps courier-*.rpm On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 11:16:39AM -0800, Sysop wrote: I built the rpm's and everything went good. I then went to rpm -Uvh the packages that I had installed from previous courier versions, and I get this output: error: failed dependencies

[courier-users] Calandering

2001-12-11 Thread Sysop
Is there a better how-to on calandering? My users are getting Lost connection to the calander server. Can you help? My users are using mysql-auth. jkeating j2solutions.net ___ courier-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe:

Re: [courier-users] Re: Calandering

2001-12-11 Thread Sysop
Sam Varshavchik wrote: Sysop writes: Is there a better how-to on calandering? My users are getting Lost connection to the calander server. Can you help? My users are using mysql-auth. Make sure pcpd is running. Kudos to you for letting the users loose at beta code. Hrmm, i haven't