Re: [Crm-sig] Relation between E28 Conceptual Object and E74 Group

2023-03-14 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
2023 07:48 *To:* Martin Doerr *Cc:* crm-sig@ics.forth.gr *Subject:* Re: [Crm-sig] Relation between E28 Conceptual Object and E74 Group Thank you all for your comments and contributions. None of the solutions proposed so far convinces me. Intangible heritage (Tango, for instance) is not the cumulati

Re: [Crm-sig] Relation between E28 Conceptual Object and E74 Group

2023-03-10 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
- *From:* Crm-sig on behalf of Franco Niccolucci via Crm-sig *Sent:* 10 March 2023 07:48 *To:* Martin Doerr *Cc:* crm-sig@ics.forth.gr *Subject:* Re: [Crm-sig] Relation between E28 Conceptual Object and E74 Group Thank you all for your comments and contributions. None of the solutions

Re: [Crm-sig] Relation between E28 Conceptual Object and E74 Group

2023-03-10 Thread Christian-Emil Smith Ore via Crm-sig
ci > via Crm-sig > Sent: 10 March 2023 07:48 > To: Martin Doerr > Cc: crm-sig@ics.forth.gr > Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] Relation between E28 Conceptual Object and E74 Group > Thank you all for your comments and contributions. > > None of the solutions proposed so far convi

Re: [Crm-sig] Relation between E28 Conceptual Object and E74 Group

2023-03-10 Thread Franco Niccolucci via Crm-sig
> via Crm-sig > Sent: 10 March 2023 07:48 > To: Martin Doerr > Cc: crm-sig@ics.forth.gr > Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] Relation between E28 Conceptual Object and E74 Group > Thank you all for your comments and contributions. > > None of the solutions proposed so far convinces me. >

Re: [Crm-sig] Relation between E28 Conceptual Object and E74 Group

2023-03-09 Thread Christian-Emil Smith Ore via Crm-sig
From: Crm-sig on behalf of Franco Niccolucci via Crm-sig Sent: 10 March 2023 07:48 To: Martin Doerr Cc: crm-sig@ics.forth.gr Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] Relation between E28 Conceptual Object and E74 Group Thank you all for your comments and contributions. None of the solutions proposed so far

Re: [Crm-sig] Relation between E28 Conceptual Object and E74 Group

2023-03-09 Thread Franco Niccolucci via Crm-sig
Thank you all for your comments and contributions. None of the solutions proposed so far convinces me. Intangible heritage (Tango, for instance) is not the cumulation of many/all related activities/actors (Tango performances, Tango dancers, etc), which instead are related because they are

Re: [Crm-sig] Relation between E28 Conceptual Object and E74 Group

2023-03-09 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
Dear All, I suggest to make a case study with Rebetiko. It is a relatively confined tradition and living. We have access to a lot of material here in Greece. By the way, we met a young lady from India who came to Greece and has learned to play Rebetiko. I think we should look at phenomena

Re: [Crm-sig] Relation between E28 Conceptual Object and E74 Group

2023-03-09 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
Dear All, I think this is quite overstretching what an activity is. Of course we can make quick and dirty use of any class. I cannot imagine, how an "All Tango Performances" could be associated with a clear identity, unity and distinction from others. This would mean that any type of activity

Re: [Crm-sig] Relation between E28 Conceptual Object and E74 Group

2023-03-09 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
I'm posting the following response text from Steve because the mailing list software tosses his messages out: Just a quick thought. As you mention a set of individual performances (E7 Activities) you could say that the individual performances (E7 Activity: performance of Tango on particular

Re: [Crm-sig] Relation between E28 Conceptual Object and E74 Group

2023-03-09 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
I'd use the term 'forms of life' instead of 'intangible heritage'. Then the likely closest CRM concept is E5 Event, at least if you want to be able to associate to actors in any direct way. E5 Event "Tango" p11 had participant E74 Group. Probably to be more expressive one would need an extension

Re: [Crm-sig] Relation between E28 Conceptual Object and E74 Group

2023-03-09 Thread Christian-Emil Smith Ore via Crm-sig
It is a good question. Also note that documentation of intangible cultural heritage is in most cases ttangible. According to UNESCO intangible cultural heritage is defined as Article 2 – Definitions For the purposes of this Convention, 1. The “intangible cultural heritage” means the practices,