Re: X.509 / PKI, PGP, and IBE Secure Email Technologies

2005-12-08 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
Ed Gerck wrote: > Depends on your use. An X.509 identity cert or a PGP cert > can be made as secure as you wish to pay for. The real > question, however, that is addressed by the paper is > how useful are they in terms of email security? How do > you compare them and which one or which product to

Re: Countries that ban the use of crypto?

2005-12-08 Thread Joseph Ashwood
- Original Message - From: "Jörn Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Countries that ban the use of crypto? [China bans cryptography] I'm not going to out anyone on this, but even a quick search of Skype finds quite a few individuals who make use of cryptography in China. So I

Re: Countries that ban the use of crypto?

2005-12-08 Thread Peter Gutmann
"JXrn" Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >However, there are only two countries, to the best of my knowledge, that >outright ban cryptography: Russia and China. And even that's only a de-facto >ban since both only require individuals to obtain a license to use >cryptography in any way, shape or

Re: X.509 / PKI, PGP, and IBE Secure Email Technologies

2005-12-08 Thread James A. Donald
-- James A. Donald: > > We can, and should, compare any system with the > > attacks that are made upon it. As a boat should > > resist every probable storm, and if it does not it > > is a bad boat, an encryption system should resist > > every real threat, and if it does not it is a bad > > en

Re: Countries that ban the use of crypto?

2005-12-08 Thread Peter Gutmann
Lee Parkes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >A colleague of mine is locked in a battle with a client about the use of NULL >ciphers for OpenSSL. The client claims that he has/wants to allow NULL >ciphers so that people in countries that ban the use of crypto can still use >the website. My colleague wan

Re: [Clips] Banks Seek Better Online-Security Tools

2005-12-08 Thread Bill Stewart
At 08:05 PM 12/2/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know, I'd wonder how many people on this list use or have used online banking. I've used it for about a decade at my credit union, and I've had my paychecks deposited directly for decades. There are things I absolutely won't do, like have a de

Re: X.509 / PKI, PGP, and IBE Secure Email Technologies

2005-12-08 Thread StealthMonger
"James A. Donald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > ... email should be sent by a direct connection from the client to > the recipient mail server, rather than this store and forward crap. This would eliminate the only available technique for strong anonymity or pseudonymity. Strong anonymity or ps

Re: [Clips] Diebold insider alleges company plagued by technical woes

2005-12-08 Thread Travis H.
Does anyone here have any links to voting system designs that use cryptography to achieve their goals? I'm curious what could be achieved in that direction. -- http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- Knight of the Lambda Calculus "We already have enough fast, insecure systems." -- Schneier &

Re: X.509 / PKI, PGP, and IBE Secure Email Technologies

2005-12-08 Thread James A. Donald
-- From: Ed Gerck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Depends on your use. An X.509 identity cert or a PGP > cert can be made as secure as you wish to pay for. Many users are already using MUAs that check signatures. Why are phishing targets not already using signed mail? I conjecture t

Re: Countries that ban the use of crypto?

2005-12-08 Thread Alexander Klimov
On Wed, 7 Dec 2005, JЖrn Schmidt wrote: > > However, there are only two countries, to the best of my knowledge, > that outright ban cryptography: Russia and China. And even that's only > a de-facto ban since both only require individuals to obtain a license > to use cryptography in any way, shape o

Malicious chat bots

2005-12-08 Thread leichter_jerrold
[From Computerworld - see http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/story/0,10801,106832,00 .html?source=NLT_PM&nid=106832 ] Security firm detects IM bot that chats with you Bot replies with messages such as 'lol no its not its a virus'

Re: X.509 / PKI, PGP, and IBE Secure Email Technologies

2005-12-08 Thread Aram Perez
On Dec 7, 2005, at 10:24 PM, James A. Donald wrote: -- James A. Donald: We can, and should, compare any system with the attacks that are made upon it. As a boat should resist every probable storm, and if it does not it is a bad boat, an encryption system should resist every real threat, a

Re: [Clips] Banks Seek Better Online-Security Tools

2005-12-08 Thread leichter_jerrold
On Wed, 7 Dec 2005, Bill Stewart wrote: | At 08:05 PM 12/2/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | >You know, I'd wonder how many people on this | >list use or have used online banking. | | I've used it for about a decade at my credit union, | and I've had my paychecks deposited directly for decades. | T

Re: X.509 / PKI, PGP, and IBE Secure Email Technologies

2005-12-08 Thread Ed Gerck
Anne & Lynn Wheeler wrote: i've periodically written on security proportional to risk ... small sample http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001h.html#61 ... introductioin of PKI and certificates in such an environment may actually create greater vulnerabilities ... since it may convince the recipient to

Re: X.509 / PKI, PGP, and IBE Secure Email Technologies

2005-12-08 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
Ed Gerck wrote: Regarding PKI, the X.509 idea is not just to automate the process of reliance but to do so without introducing vulnerabilities in the threat model considered in the CPS. but that is one of the points of the article that as you automate more things you have to be extra careful