In an earlier message, I wrote
I would never use online banking, and I advise all my friends and
colleagues (particularly those who _aren't_ computer-security-geeks) to
avoid it.
Jason Axley asked
Why do you not use OLB?
Basically, so far as I know the fine print in online bank service
On Mon, Dec 05, 2005 at 07:29:11PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
For those of you who haven't rolled out a national ID scheme in time,
there's still the general identity theft problem, but this affects you
even if you don't use online banking.
Hmm. What's the evidence that national ID schemes
Peter Clay wrote:
Hmm. What's the evidence that national ID schemes reduce credit fraud
(what people normally mean when they say ID theft)? How does it vary
with the different types of scheme?
I've been opposing the UK scheme recently on the grounds of unreliable
biometrics and the bad idea
At 08:05 PM 12/2/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You know, I'd wonder how many people on this
list use or have used online banking.
I've used it for about a decade at my credit union,
and I've had my paychecks deposited directly for decades.
There are things I absolutely won't do,
like have a
On Fri, Dec 02, 2005 at 11:05:29PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You know, I'd wonder how many people on this
list use or have used online banking.
To start the ball rolling, I have not and won't.
This is from European perspective: I do and couldn't do without it now. Most
of my
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Nicholas Bohm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. Dezember 2005 12:03
An: Florian Weimer
Cc: cryptography@metzdowd.com
Betreff: Re: [Clips] Banks Seek Better Online-Security Tools
Florian Weimer wrote:
* Nicholas Bohm:
[...]
I hope
* Ulrich Kuehn:
In 2000 someone here in Germany already demonstrated how to attack
smart card based HBCI transactions. Those transactions are
authorized by an RSA signature done by the card.
Here's a link: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/9349
The attack relyed on the card reader not
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Janusz A. Urbanowicz
writes:
Bank
statements come on paper or in S/MIME signed emails.
This is interesting -- the bank is using S/MIME? What mail readers are
common among its clientele? How is the bank's certificate checked?
--Steven M.
On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 10:31:52AM -0500, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Janusz A. Urbanowicz
writes:
Bank statements come on paper or in S/MIME signed emails.
This is interesting -- the bank is using S/MIME? What mail readers are
common among its clientele?
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jonathan Thor
nburg writes:
I would never use online banking, and I advise all my friends and
colleagues (particularly those who _aren't_ computer-security-geeks)
to avoid it.
I do use it -- but never from a Windows machine. The OS I use is
probably better, but
* Nicholas Bohm:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You know, I'd wonder how many people on this
list use or have used online banking.
To start the ball rolling, I have not and won't.
--dan
I do.
My bank provides an RSA SecureId, so I feel reasonably safe against
anyone other than the bank.
please, can people tell us about what their country's liability
framework is, as they understand it, and where the onus of proof is
for what sorts of transactions?
this is one of the few areas where consumers have some actual
protection in the us.
due to ross anderson, i have heard about the uk.
You know, I'd wonder how many people on this
list use or have used online banking.
To start the ball rolling, I have not and won't.
Why? Repudiating transactions is easier than ever. As a consumer, I
fear technology which is completely secure according to experts, but
which can be broken
* Eugen Leitl:
The German PIN/TAN system is reasonably secure, being an effective
one-time pad distributed through out of band channel (mailed dead
tree in a tamperproof envelope).
Some banks have optimized away the special envelope. 8-(
It is of course not immune to phishing (PIN/TAN
* Jonathan Thornburg:
Ahh, but how do you know that the transaction actually sent to the
bank is the same as the one you thought you authorized with that OTP?
If your computer (or web browser) has been cracked, you can't trust
_anything_ it displays. There are already viruses in the wild
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
okay, i read this story from 7/2005 reporting an incident in 5/2005. the short
form of it is:
Not a bad summary. I'd say that when one is
dealing with any such crime, there are always
unanswered questions, and issues of confusion
(probably as much for the attacker
Florian Weimer wrote:
* Nicholas Bohm:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You know, I'd wonder how many people on this
list use or have used online banking.
To start the ball rolling, I have not and won't.
--dan
I do.
My bank provides an RSA SecureId, so I feel reasonably safe against
anyone
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
You know, I'd wonder how many people on this
list use or have used online banking.
To start the ball rolling, I have not and won't.
I do. Although, only from PCs that I trust such as my linux box at home.
And I keep a close watch on my bank statements.
All things
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
dan, maybe you should just keep less money in the bank.
i use online banking and financial services of almost every kind
(except bill presentment, because i like paper bills). i ccannot do
without it.
it seems to me the question is how much liability do i expose
Kerry Thompson wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
You know, I'd wonder how many people on this
list use or have used online banking.
To start the ball rolling, I have not and won't.
I do. Although, only from PCs that I trust such as my linux box at home.
And I keep a close watch on my bank
On Mon, Dec 05, 2005 at 09:24:04AM +, Ian G wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
it seems to me the question is how much liability do i expose myself to by
doing this, in return for what savings and convenience.
That part I agree with, but this part:
i don't keep a lot of money in banks
I would never use online banking, and I advise all my friends and
colleagues (particularly those who _aren't_ computer-security-geeks)
to avoid it.
On Sun, Dec 04, 2005 at 05:51:11PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've been using online banking for many years, both US and Germany.
The German
At 2:29 PM -0800 12/3/05, John Gilmore wrote:
...how many people on this list use or have used online banking?
To start the ball rolling, I have not and won't.
Dan, that makes two of us.
The only thing I ever use it for is to make sure the wires are in before I
spend money. :-)
Cheers,
RAH
dan, maybe you should just keep less money in the bank.
i use online banking and financial services of almost every kind
(except bill presentment, because i like paper bills). i ccannot do
without it.
it seems to me the question is how much liability do i expose myself to by
doing this, in
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You know, I'd wonder how many people on this
list use or have used online banking.
To start the ball rolling, I have not and won't.
--dan
I do.
My bank provides an RSA SecureId, so I feel reasonably safe against
anyone other than the bank. I have no basis for
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You know, I'd wonder how many people on this
list use or have used online banking.
To start the ball rolling, I have not and won't.
I have not! I declined the chance when my
bank told me that I had to download their
special client that only runs on windows...
| You know, I'd wonder how many people on this
| list use or have used online banking.
|
| To start the ball rolling, I have not and won't.
Until a couple of months ago, I avoided doing anything of this sort at all.
Simple reasoning: If I know I never do any financial stuff on-line, I can
You know, I'd wonder how many people on this
list use or have used online banking.
To start the ball rolling, I have not and won't.
--dan
Cryptography is nothing more than a mathematical framework for
discussing the implications of various paranoid delusions.
-- Don Alvarez
On 2005-12-02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You know, I'd wonder how many people on this
list use or have used online banking.
To start the ball rolling, I have not and won't.
I've been using it for me and my wife with 3 banks since they
first offered it; I use it every week to pay all our
...how many people on this list use or have used online banking?
To start the ball rolling, I have not and won't.
Dan, that makes two of us.
John
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At 11:05 PM -0500 12/2/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You know, I'd wonder how many people on this
list use or have used online banking.
To start the ball rolling, I have not and won't.
I have, and it's nice for making Quicken data entry faster, but
that's about all. The rest gives me the
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