Re: [css-d] white or #FFFFFF?

2007-07-10 Thread Rick Lecoat
Tedd; I have no idea whether this is related, but I recall reading somewhere recently (can't remember where exactly, sorry) that CSS sometimes has issues if you combine units (eg. pixels, ems, percentages) and keywords (white, smaller, etc) within a rule. Since I can't pinpoint the source of this

Re: [css-d] Left 50% margin- 497

2007-07-10 Thread David Dorward
On 07/07/07, Colin Mcgarry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: left: 50%; margin-left: -497px; I can follow the logic of this but is it better than left 0 margin 0 Assuming you mean margin: auto; for centring, then it has the advantage that it works in IE 5.x and earlier without the

Re: [css-d] white or #FFFFFF?

2007-07-10 Thread T. R. Valentine
On 09/07/07, tedd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi: I've been working on another css drop-down menu and encountered a problem where my menu won't work in IE 6 if I use white for background-color, but will work if I use #FF. For example: background-color: white; /* if used, my menu

Re: [css-d] white or #FFFFFF?

2007-07-10 Thread Ian Young
On 09/07/07, tedd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi: I've been working on another css drop-down menu and encountered a problem where my menu won't work in IE 6 if I use white for background-color, but will work if I use #FF. For example: background-color: white; /* if

Re: [css-d] Floated sidenotes: safari vs. gecko

2007-07-10 Thread Bruno Fassino
On 7/9/07, Michael Green wrote: I am trying to float sidenotes. Here is the example I'm working on. http://carneades.pomona.edu/rutter.html (There is a background gif that marks off the desired line-height). Safari and (Mac) Opera do what I want: they put the sidenote on the same baseline

Re: [css-d] Normal bulleted lists... with smaller bullets

2007-07-10 Thread Austin Harris
Doesn't work on Mac OS 10.3.9 Firefox 2.0.0.4, all I see is red pipe characters. A while back[1], I attempted to substitute a heart entity for the normal list bullet, (a) so I could change its color on :hover, and (b) so that it sized with the text. I used :before for modern browsers, and

Re: [css-d] Avoiding Bugs and Hacks, Any Resources?

2007-07-10 Thread Shelly
Hi Victor - I'll respond, even though I'm not the most knowledgeable of this group here. I'm willing to stick my neck out ;) I don't know about *bugs*, but avoiding hacks is pretty easy. I'm sure some of my methods won't be agreed upon, but they've always worked well for me. #1 is to

[css-d] 2-level nav visibility issues

2007-07-10 Thread Raymond Rodriguez
I'm SO close!! At least, I think I am: http://www.raymondrodriguez.net/clients/stonewall-library The main nav for this has a two-level drop down element that only seems to be working properly for Safari Mac (even Safari Win hates it!). FF Mac doesn't like it, FF Win almost likes it (the

Re: [css-d] white or #FFFFFF?

2007-07-10 Thread tedd
At 9:16 AM +0100 7/10/07, Rick Lecoat wrote: Tedd; I have no idea whether this is related, but I recall reading somewhere recently (can't remember where exactly, sorry) that CSS sometimes has issues if you combine units (eg. pixels, ems, percentages) and keywords (white, smaller, etc) within a

Re: [css-d] white or #FFFFFF?

2007-07-10 Thread tedd
At 5:20 AM -0500 7/10/07, T. R. Valentine wrote: On 09/07/07, tedd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi: I've been working on another css drop-down menu and encountered a problem where my menu won't work in IE 6 if I use white for background-color, but will work if I use #FF. For example:

Re: [css-d] white or #FFFFFF?

2007-07-10 Thread tedd
At 11:55 AM +0100 7/10/07, Ian Young wrote: Where in the code are you experiencing the problem? I have tried several examples of having white instead of #fff in various places in the menu code (based on yours). Doesn't matter if it is in li or li hover, still works in IE6. It doesn't fail in my

Re: [css-d] white or #FFFFFF?

2007-07-10 Thread Rick Lecoat
Hi Tedd; Just to be clear, the vague-remembered article that I read /didn't/ warn against mixing different units (eg. mixing pixels and ems or ems and percentages); it was specifically warning about mixing units /of any sort/ with keywords. (Which isn't to say, of course, that mixing different

Re: [css-d] white or #FFFFFF?

2007-07-10 Thread Ian Young
I have no idea whether this is related, but I recall reading somewhere recently (can't remember where exactly, sorry) that CSS sometimes has issues if you combine units (eg. pixels, ems, percentages) and keywords (white, smaller, etc) within a rule. Since I can't pinpoint the source of this

Re: [css-d] white or #FFFFFF?

2007-07-10 Thread tedd
At 12:59 PM +1000 7/10/07, Kenneth Ko wrote: Hi, You talked about drop-down menu, so I'm assuming there's some sort of hover rule involved...? Smells like an issue with the IE6 hover cascade rules detailed here, I had a similar issue which manifested itself in the same way.

Re: [css-d] white or #FFFFFF?

2007-07-10 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007, tedd wrote: White won't work, but #FF will, why? Please stop wasting time with the issue, unless you can provide URLs of sample pages that demonstrate the problem. If you think you have really _isolated_ the problem, then it should be easy to set up the demo pages.

[css-d] border partially not drawn IE 6

2007-07-10 Thread Christian Kirchhoff
Hallo, please take a look at the following exemplary page: http://www.zeno.org/Schmidt-1902/A/Petri,+Familie The middle column has a footer, containing the words Quelle:, Permalink: etc. If I load the page in IE 6 and scroll down (because this particular page usually is longer than the browser

[css-d] certain text is not selectable in IE 6

2007-07-10 Thread Christian Kirchhoff
Hallo, If you take a look at the following exemplary page: http://www.zeno.org/Schmidt-1902/A/Petri,+Familie with IE 6 and try to select text in the lower portion of the middle column, you might recognize that it doesn't work properly. I am looking for ways to correct this. The last not

Re: [css-d] white or #FFFFFF?

2007-07-10 Thread Ian Young
To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Subject: Re: [css-d] white or #FF? White won't work, but #FF will, why? On Tue, 10 Jul 2007, Jukk K Korpeall wrote: Please stop wasting time with the issue,.. Cannot see how that is being very helpful and certainly not in the spirit of the

Re: [css-d] white or #FFFFFF?

2007-07-10 Thread Rick Faircloth
Jukka... I don't think you're in a position to tell Tedd that his question is wasting *his* time. If this list is for anything, it's about learning what work and what doesn't and *why*... If you think it's a waste of *your* time, then don't read or respond to the thread. But this is definitely

Re: [css-d] white or #FFFFFF?

2007-07-10 Thread Barney Carroll
It's true you could help everyone else help you a bit more if you're going to be so active on this thread, Tedd. Three replies in a row that don't advance your own hole much. Eh? You could easily provide a bit more info with what's actually going on, and it'd save us plowing into idle theory.

Re: [css-d] white or #FFFFFF?

2007-07-10 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007, tedd wrote: If you think asking IF anyone has ever had a problem using keywords instead of using numbers for brackground-color is not worthy of posting, then I think you're wrong. It was posted, and nobody reported any problems. I didn't comment on that. I commented on

Re: [css-d] white or #FFFFFF?

2007-07-10 Thread Paul Seale
My suggestion on the matter: stick with hex colors. While I have yet to see a hard and or fast rule on the matter (it may be a preference), I generally try to stick to hex colors. Tx __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [css-d] Avoiding Bugs and Hacks, Any Resources?

2007-07-10 Thread Dagmar Noll
Victor B. Gonzalez wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello all, Is there an authoritative resource on how to *avoid* bugs and hacks? Hi, Victor. I follow the guidelines in this article, CSS Branching Techniques, from TJK Designs to reduce hacks and plan for future

[css-d] [ADMIN] Re: white or #FFFFFF?

2007-07-10 Thread Alex Robinson
Sigh. I went off to peel some mangoes and didn't get round to posting the message that follows this. And I return to find it all kicking off. All I have to add to my message is that people should not engage in arguments about list etiquette on the list. Since it's part of the list etiquette

Re: [css-d] white or #FFFFFF?

2007-07-10 Thread Bruno Fassino
Just trying to reduce speculations :-) Here: http://www.brunildo.org/test/test/IEhoverdesc.html there are two anchors which on hover should display a yellow box. The first has a:hover { background-color: white } the second a:hover { background-color: #fff } In IE6 only the first works. This

[css-d] How to put divs in a div not validating

2007-07-10 Thread trevor bayliss
Hi everyone, I have a problem that is maybe not fixable. I have a div with three divs inside it which doesn´t validate. The divs are there for ajax reasons but this is still a css question I believe as it is about the divs. The problem can be seen at this webpage:

Re: [css-d] white or #FFFFFF?

2007-07-10 Thread Alex Robinson
Just trying to reduce speculations :-) Here: http://www.brunildo.org/test/test/IEhoverdesc.html ... In IE6 only the first works. Right, thanks for that Bruno. A most excellent test case. At last we have an actual sighting of the beast we've been hunting and can confirm that there is a bug.

Re: [css-d] CSS Menu not Layering over Flash

2007-07-10 Thread Luis Speciale
Echo Schmidt a écrit : I have a CSS Menu that is not layering over Flash. I tried using the wmode preference and that fixed it in IE but the CSS is still layering behind the flash in Firefox. Does anyone know what the fix might be? As far as I know an object (Flash) will always on top, I

Re: [css-d] [ADMIN] Re: white or #FFFFFF?

2007-07-10 Thread Rick Faircloth
This entire list etiquette argument could have been avoided if Jukka hadn't broken what is the most fundamental rule of lists... be civil... He criticism was harsh and unwelcome and would do far more harm to the CSS cause than any somewhat confusing and perhaps inconclusive discussion concerning

Re: [css-d] [ADMIN] Re: white or #FFFFFF?

2007-07-10 Thread Alex Robinson
This entire list etiquette argument could have been avoided... But it wasn't. If you disagree with me or feel you have anything to say about list etiquette, then please write to the moderators' address and make your disagreement/opinions known there. [EMAIL PROTECTED] But not on list, ok?

[css-d] double border-style in IE7

2007-07-10 Thread Debbie Campbell
How do I emulate what you see here in FF in IE7? http://www.parallaxwebdesign.com/projects/harris/index.html This is the CSS for the main content box: #main { position: relative; margin: 0; padding: 0; height: 350px; color: #383838; background-color: #FFF; border: 4px double #646464; }

Re: [css-d] white or #FFFFFF?

2007-07-10 Thread Ingo Chao
Jukka K. Korpela wrote: ... If I had to rely on such oddities, I'd feel safer by using a color that is _really_ different, though not much different to the human eye, such as #fefefe (or #fe) vs. #fff. There is no reason to alter the personal usage of white, #fff, #ff for this IE

Re: [css-d] white or #FFFFFF? (A DEMO)

2007-07-10 Thread tedd
To the gang: Ok, I'll bow to the opinion that I can't ask a real question on this list unless I submit a demo showing the problem. The URL is: http://www.webbytedd.com/a/index The technique is simply to provide a drop-down scrollable link list. You can activate it by moving your cursor over

Re: [css-d] double border-style in IE7

2007-07-10 Thread Brian Crescimanno
On 7/10/07, Jukka K. Korpela [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In your case, it seems that there is a simple way: wrap the element div id=main.../div inside an outer div, and set the outer div's background color to the desired value (white, in this case). An alternative solution (also using nested

[css-d] Header navigation

2007-07-10 Thread trevor bayliss
Hi list, I am trying to get the navigation in my header: http://216.219.94.105/trevor.htm to look like it does in my earlier version pre-better layout: http://216.219.94.105/trevor.htm Here is the css and html-it all validates but the tabs don´t fill out the header div and the

Re: [css-d] white or #FFFFFF?

2007-07-10 Thread trevor bayliss
tedd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 11:55 AM +0100 7/10/07, Ian Young wrote: Where in the code are you experiencing the problem? I have tried several examples of having white instead of #fff in various places in the menu code (based on yours). Doesn't matter if it is in li or li hover, still works

Re: [css-d] Getting the z-index right in my css

2007-07-10 Thread Ian Piper
On 6 Jul 2007, at 3:42 pm, ron zisman wrote: Yes, and the idea is to make those floats take up no space when they come into view - as if they are absolute positioned but still acting and positioning themselves as floats. The method is presented and described here...

Re: [css-d] Aligning an img element with an input element?

2007-07-10 Thread George Bills
David Hucklesby wrote: On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:07:49 +1000, George Bills wrote: [code snipped] When displayed, the bottom of the img is above the bottom of the input. It looks like the img aligns to the top of the enclosing p (given a black border for identification), and the input

Re: [css-d] Normal bulleted lists... with smaller bullets

2007-07-10 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On Jul 11, 2007, at 5:07 AM, David Hucklesby wrote: I had written: A while back[1], I attempted to substitute a heart entity for the normal list bullet, (a) so I could change its color on :hover, and (b) so that it sized with the text. I used :before for modern browsers, and some

Re: [css-d] Normal bulleted lists... with smaller bullets

2007-07-10 Thread David Hucklesby
On Jul 11, 2007, at 5:07 AM, David Hucklesby wrote: I had written: A while back[1], I attempted to substitute a heart entity for the normal list bullet, (a) so I could change its color on :hover, and (b) so that it sized with the text. I used :before for modern browsers, and some scripting

Re: [css-d] Select element not displaying correctly

2007-07-10 Thread Luc
Hello Thomas, It was foretold that on 8/7/2007 @ 22:18:21 GMT+0200 (which was 17:18:21 where I live) Thomas Thomas would write: snipped a bit My Select (size 1) element in Mozilla is not displaying correctly : The box is not getting the right width according to the width of the elements

Re: [css-d] Header navigation

2007-07-10 Thread David Laakso
trevor bayliss wrote: Hi list, I am trying to get the navigation in my header: http://216.219.94.105/trevor.htm to look like it does in my earlier version pre-better layout: http://216.219.94.105/trevor.htm trimmed I did not look at the header issue you wrote about but when