Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

2014-04-07 Thread Davies, Elizabeth
I've not used PX sizing for well over a decade. We did recently change to using REM's off of a % on the HTML. The site in question uses a % on the HTML and REM's on the typography with PX in a legacy IE-only (for those that don't support REM). I can't post an URL as its internal, but it uses

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

2014-04-07 Thread Tom Livingston
On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Davies, Elizabeth elizabeth_dav...@gallup.com wrote: I've not used PX sizing for well over a decade. We did recently change to using REM's off of a % on the HTML. The site in question uses a % on the HTML and REM's on the typography with PX in a legacy

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

2014-04-07 Thread Davies, Elizabeth
Correct that example URL to https://www.gallupstrengthscenter.com/ ... The same inflation occurs on the GSC site. And it happens whether I put everything to em's, strip out the IE cascade, put all the media queries to em's or rem's. The design stays proportional and does not break, it just

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

2014-04-07 Thread Georg
Not sure, but I have a feeling the answer to what is happening can be found here... http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/wd_1_03_04.html If so, it is an old problem that reappears in a new form, caused by the fact that you start small on font-size and then size up further in. regards Georg

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

2014-04-07 Thread Eric
Tom, Setting the root element's font-size to 62.5% results in a REM unit being equal to 10px assuming that the users UAr default font-size is set to 16px which what overwhelming majority of browsers in the wild are set to. Some folks prefer to do it this way because it's easy to think in base 10.

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

2014-04-07 Thread Felix Miata
On 2014-04-07 16:59 (GMT+0200) Georg composed: Davies, Elizabeth composed: Correct that example URL to https://www.gallupstrengthscenter.com/ ... The same inflation occurs on the GSC site. And it happens whether I put everything to em's, strip out the IE cascade, put all the media queries to

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

2014-04-07 Thread Barney Carroll
Please forgive the impertinent lurker here, but could somebody weigh in with why relative measures are necessary when the desired outcome is pixel-level accuracy? -- Regards, Barney Carroll barney.carr...@gmail.com +44 7429 177278 barneycarroll.com

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

2014-04-07 Thread Micky Hulse
On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Eric e...@minerbits.com wrote: As for the OP's question. I don't see what Elizabeth describes in Mozilla Nightly (still need to try in on FF). The diffs I did see between Nightly and Chrome are minor and appear to be due to the usual diffs in UA font rendering

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

2014-04-07 Thread Tom Livingston
On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Barney Carroll barney.carr...@gmail.com wrote: Please forgive the impertinent lurker here, but could somebody weigh in with why relative measures are necessary when the desired outcome is pixel-level accuracy? While feeling a little 'holy war', I'll bite...

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

2014-04-07 Thread Davies, Elizabeth
Tom sent me some screenshots and is also not seeing the effect on a Mac. I checked around on our in house Macs, and this appears to be a Windows OS with Firefox effect. What we're seeing is an overall inflation of the entire page (not just font size). Where on a 1920 resolution screen, Firefox

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

2014-04-07 Thread Felix Miata
On 2014-04-07 15:51 (GMT-0400) Tom Livingston composed: Barney Carroll wrote: Please forgive the impertinent lurker here, but could somebody weigh in with why relative measures are necessary when the desired outcome is pixel-level accuracy? While feeling a little 'holy war', I'll bite...

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

2014-04-07 Thread Tom Livingston
On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 5:10 PM, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: On 2014-04-07 15:51 (GMT-0400) Tom Livingston composed: Barney Carroll wrote: Please forgive the impertinent lurker here, but could somebody weigh in with why relative measures are necessary when the desired outcome

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

2014-04-07 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
Le 5 avr. 2014 à 07:01, Davies, Elizabeth elizabeth_dav...@gallup.com a écrit : Looking for insight into (and potential correction to) the latest Firefox browsers inflating the overall size/resolution of webpages. We use a mobile first responsive upwards, and in the newest Firefox

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

2014-04-07 Thread Micky Hulse
On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Davies, Elizabeth elizabeth_dav...@gallup.com wrote: Tom sent me some screenshots and is also not seeing the effect on a Mac. I checked around on our in house Macs, and this appears to be a Windows OS with Firefox effect. What we're seeing is an overall

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

2014-04-07 Thread Eric
Hello Elizabeth, I tested again this time using FF28 latest Chrome, Canary and IE10 (will boot Win7 later to check IE11). The results are the same - the only diffs I see are due to font rendering as far as I can tell. Based on the material the Philippe posted there may be an issue when using a

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

2014-04-07 Thread Eric
Mickey, I've tested on Win8 and reported my findings. I'll test later on Win7, but I seriously doubt there will be a diff. Especially on my standard density 1920x1080 screen. Eric On April 7, 2014 at 8:59 PM Micky Hulse mickyhulse.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 1:41 PM,

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

2014-04-07 Thread Micky Hulse
On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 6:06 PM, Eric e...@minerbits.com wrote: I've tested on Win8 and reported my findings. I'll test later on Win7, but I seriously doubt there will be a diff. Especially on my standard density 1920x1080 screen. Ah, so it's all based on one having a high PPI monitor? I'm

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

2014-04-07 Thread Micky Hulse
On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 6:25 PM, Micky Hulse mickyhulse.li...@gmail.com wrote: Ah, so it's all based on one having a high PPI monitor? Probably not helpful due to lack of PPI setting/option, but here's a batch of Browserstack automated screens:

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

2014-04-07 Thread Micky Hulse
On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 6:30 PM, Micky Hulse mickyhulse.li...@gmail.com wrote: Looks like no difference between shots. Of course, they don't offer Firefox 28 for the screen shots, so I guess those screens are of no help anyway. Crawling back into my hole now. :D (would still love to see a

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

2014-04-07 Thread Micky Hulse
On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 6:32 PM, Micky Hulse mickyhulse.li...@gmail.com wrote: Crawling back into my hole now. :D There's an interesting thread here: How to disable system DPI detection on FireFox 22 https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/962945 Found when searching for firefox high dpi

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

2014-04-07 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
Le 8 avr. 2014 à 10:25, Micky Hulse mickyhulse.li...@gmail.com a écrit : So, dumb question, but has anyone answered the question as to why Firefox zooms the page when viewing her page on a high resolution monitor? I answered that about 40 minutes before you sent this email… Would be

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

2014-04-07 Thread Karl DeSaulniers
On Apr 7, 2014, at 8:25 PM, Micky Hulse mickyhulse.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 6:06 PM, Eric e...@minerbits.com wrote: I've tested on Win8 and reported my findings. I'll test later on Win7, but I seriously doubt there will be a diff. Especially on my standard density