itself takes a pittance. Now, for subsequent reloads, external
style sheets make a difference. They're cached in the browser and
there's no load time.
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techniques? ...
There is a link to our WIKI/FAQ at the bottom of every post. It has a
page about books that a lot of people have put effort into creating.
You might find something useful there:
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, or whatever, it can be done by changing one CSS file, not
editing all of the brs in all the HTML files.
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doing almost anything with css.
Gigaboy20 has been unsubscribed - blatant violation of list policies.
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the contents of cells. You have that on this
page. The images in the left column are related to their descriptions
in the right column. Perfectly appropriate use of a data table.
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base sizes, a fact that could very easily throw off all your careful
calculations.
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will assume what you are seeing is IE's
broken box model.
Please read:
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and the top part of
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=BoxModelHack
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be banned.
ref:
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CSS, as a technology, reached its tenth birthday a few days ago. To
celebrate, Bert Bos and HÃ¥kon Lie, founding fathers and still the core
of the CSS Working Group, put together an anniversary web site.
Enjoy it at: http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS10/
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-cell columns)
are so common... Or am I chasing an impossible (or just ultra risky) dream?
Does the submenu really need overflow:hidden? I haven't tried it (or
can't remember trying it), but what happens with overfolw:scroll on an
absolutely positioned element?
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material in the
WIKI, and in the list archives, that we need not rehash the discussion
here yet again.
This thread stops now.
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is complaining about too many values for .vnav ul and
.vnav ul li ... having to do with the opacity specification. I'm not
sure why this would cause that symptom, but worth trying.
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, including IE7.
Took a look at the CSS and left very quickly. Being an old time
programmer, set in his ways, I'm not a fan of needing to scroll
horizontally to read code.
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and tell us which
specific browsers you are concerned about.
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search and replace catastrophes.
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a #header and #footer).
...
See our WIKI: http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=ThreeColumnLayouts
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corner tabs that adjust to the width of text in
the tabs, and has been well tested in many browsers.
http://alistapart.com/articles/slidingdoors/
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this case the table).
Unless I'm missing something very subtle, I think the answer is to set
an explicit width on the container that holds the table. I would
suggest min-width, but IE does not support min-width until IE7.
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know better, as evidenced by starting
with a quasi-apology.
You are inviting expulsion.
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As for accessibility, the HTML structure is always more important than
the CSS. As long as all the navigation is in a list, either CSS
approach produces the same results in a screen reader.
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version of IE respects
min-width. So, once the window is squeezed too far, IE drops the column.
Comment out the min-width, and FF will drop the column too.
There are a few work arounds noted in the WIKI:
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=MinWidth
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. Some developers get around this by
using images instead, included via CSS list-style-image: url(...)
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I choose the
catch all !--[if IE] or a more specific version type ?
The general case will work, but may not be perfect in IE 5.0 (haven't
tested).
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, thanks!
The two small snips of code are not enough to recreate the problem.
Something else is part of the problem. We need to see more.
Can you post an example on the web?
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, and fewer yet browser
implementors. A better way to make sure your proposal is seen is to
post it on the W3C's *www-style* mail list. Find subscription
instructions here: http://www.w3.org/Mail/Request
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, and then
is followed by an implementation period that is also long and tedious.
If it does happen, it might be years before we see it actually
implemented in browsers.
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with the browser
window in the horizontal direction? I'd rather have real columns
than the faut layout using background colors.
The best answer is Alex Robinson's One True Layout.
http://www.positioniseverything.net/articles/onetruelayout/
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geocities does not allow me to upload the htc file.
This is normal behavior for form controls. They always rise to the
highest z-order. The best answer is to locate the control in a place
where it does not conflict with a menu.
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normal behavior for height. Containers expand in height
to hold their content.
Our WIKI has an article about making any column longest which describes
several ways to have all columns the same height.
See: http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=AnyColumnLongest
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By the way, use the text skip to MAIN content. Without the adjective,
some screen readers pronounce content the wrong way, as in contented,
satisfied.
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partial).
MS is also operating a discussion group about IE7b2 at:
http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/list/en-us/default.aspx?dg=microsoft.public.internetexplorer.generalcat=en_us_28cca3eb-7037-4d4f-bde1-d8efee1f1420lang=encr=us
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of an unknown
audience.
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Tyson Tate wrote:
...
If there exists none currently, I'll look into making a public Wiki
for everyone.
Echoing Christian Heilmann's advice: try supporting our own CSS Discuss
FAQ/WIKI ... the one mentioned at the bottom of every single posting.
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it is inside of?
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. I figure there's probably
got to be a fix for this in IE.
...
IE 5.5 and earlier doesn't know about margin:auto. IE 6 does. There's
a good page about centering block elements in our wiki.
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=CenteringBlockElement
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People with recommendations for Sam should answer off list so 6000
subscribers don't have to wade through it.
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. Help! My blog is here:
http://nielsolson.us/Haversian/
#zg_div {margin: 0 auto;} should do it. This says use 0 margin top and
bottom and auto width margins left and right.
There's more on centering in the WIKI at:
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We have wandered astray from the original question.
To avoid veering further astray, into the dreaded / endless font size
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a lot better. And it may not even been this group that I saw
it on as well.
People looking for OT information should review our OT page in the WIKI
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http://www.communitymx.com/content/article.cfm?cid=E0989953B6F20B41
Our WIKI, noted at the bottom of *every* post is also a good place to look
... for almost any CSS related question.
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in the operating system device driver. While some graphic editing
programs allow access to these margins, browsers don't have access to
them. The best you can do is ensure your print style sheet sets the
margins for the outermost container to zero.
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are having HTML
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WIKI for suggestions about where else to ask question.
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=OffTopic
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Aaron Roberson wrote:
I am looking for a list that is as good as this one but for usability
issues. Anyone know of such a list?
The question is off topic for this list. Please consult the list of OFF
Topic resources in the WIKI.
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=OffTopic
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http://www.alistapart.com
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the right
CSS selectors is much cleaner. (Again, class and ID info in the WIKI.)
(a) http://www.complexspiral.com/publications/containing-floats/
(b) http://www.positioniseverything.net/easyclearing.html
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either well defined margin or padding.
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jeremy wrote:
i have been looking for a really good way to make a random background
image happen. ...
Is there a pure CSS way to go about this?
CSS can't do it. It's scripting time.
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with low vision, who zoom
the magnification of pages. (2)
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(2) http://www.alistapart.com/articles/lowvision
(3) http://css-discuss.incutio.com/page?=DesignerDeveloperBlogs
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div.addresspanel {...
...
The problem is simple. IE supports hover only on anchors, not on any
other HTML element. The solution is more difficult. Wait for IE7 to
become pervasive, of find a different technique.
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the
centering. However, the first time someone increases text size,
kabloooey! Of course, you'd have that in a table based design too.
See our WIKI for more information on centering:
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.
Another scenario suggests having no explicit print style sheet, or one
that makes absolutely no font-size declarations.
(1) http://www.alistapart.com/articles/lowvision
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could try other methods:
- run all the LIs together on one continuous line
- line break the LI in an unusual manner, such as:
limiscellaneous stuff
/lilimore stuff
/lilietc/li
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each li is the width of the window and stacked below each
other:
http://tmp.askask.com/2005/09/pool-msie.png
Give those floats an explicit width. Standards compliant browsers do a
good job of calculating the implied widths. IE doesn't.
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time someone resizes
text in their browser, overlaps are very likely.
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and discussions about CSS. Cubecart is a
shopping cart system which should be discussed elsewhere. Please see
our off-topic page for suggestions on where else you might ask.
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Then, check the paragraph with id=theme which runs a script found
inside scripts.js. For more detail about stylesheet switching, wee the
original articlce which describes the technique on A List Apart.
http://www.alistapart.com/stories/alternate/
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wide enough to hold the
left sidebar and its gutter. Next float the right sidebar (float left
against content). Lastly, AP the left sidebar in the margin of content.
The thing to be careful of is that content needs to be vertically
longer than left sidebar.
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) code the image into the html (yes I know, you want to avoid this)
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background-repeat: repeat-y;
/*padding: 0 60px 0 20px;*/
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do it! The explanation is real easy and is in the declaration for LI.
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. That will force it to clear the floats above
it and sit beneath them.
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rashantha de silva wrote:
hello
does anyone know why this does not work in ie
http://www.cssplay.co.uk/menu/gallery.html
Works OK on IE 6.0 and IE 5.5 on Win XP Pro.
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. Your solution needs to
expand beyond the viewport for certain pages, doesn't it?
What happens if you comment out that one line?
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weaknesses.
(1)
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something
obvious. The page is at http://www.mikewiggin.com/resume.html and the
css is at http://www.mikewiggin.com/bubbles.css
How does it break? Looks the same in IE 5.5 as in IE6 and FF on WIN XP Pro.
PS: I new to this.
Hmmm? The resume claims HTML 6 yrs, CSS 4 yrs.
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how to divide a
space into even 50% portions when the space is an odd number of pixels
wide. Change one of those values to 49% and it will be solved.
The second *might* be the guilloitne bug. See:
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and
margins), and no further. To fill a space, you need to put something of
that height inside the div, or set the div to that explicit height. If
you don't know the height, find a JavaScript script to do it for you.
Our WIKI has examples:
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lock. It says .ock. The leading l is missing.
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to be within the box.
Looks like the classic failure to contain floats. Two remedies are common:
http://www.complexspiral.com/publications/containing-floats/
http://www.positioniseverything.net/easyclearing.html
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http://jeffhowden.com/code/css/forms/
Cameron Adams has a very good article about forms which are not only
well styled, but have good accessibility characteristics. Be sure to
study the companion layout templates.
http://www.themaninblue.com/writing/perspective/2004/03/24/?styles=
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CSS, it tells me that I should only do this as
a last resort, So my questions are: 'what is the first resort' these
days? What is the standards way? What do you guys do?
Follow your instincts. Specify as many fonts as you think are needed to
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you have a pixel ruler?), one can only surmise
that IE is using that 570px as the relative left edge for the absolute
position.
Try adding clear:both to the style. Better yet, move it above main-body
in the source.
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. The way to
gain control is strip all the defaults and set your own. Like this:
http://leftjustified.net/journal/2004/10/19/global-ws-reset/
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Address:
Yes, the spec says text-indent applies to block level elements.
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/text.html#propdef-text-indent
Your example looks like a data table, and therefore best implemented
using a table, not CSS.
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table margin:0;
BTW, put all the style in the head of the document, not in the body.
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BTW, please don't include source code when you've already included a
URL. The list is about 6000 people and that's a lot of bloated messages
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web pages with 740px of print width. 740px = 7.7 inches which
centers nicely on 8.5 inches. Now, layout the page for 960px by 740px
and it will fit neatly on 11 x 8.5
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probably work much better is everything was
floated left. On large screens, the myODS box can float a long distance
away from the center column, leaving an ugly gap.
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) and the archives (2).
Please use those resources, and let's avoid yet another flame war.
(1) http://css-discuss.incutio.com/
(2) http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=SearchCssDiscussList
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of more extensive
testing on my accessibility blog (3).
(1)
http://www.access-matters.com/2005/04/03/quiz-241-on-being-heard-but-not-seen/
(2) http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=ScreenreaderVisibility
(3) http://access-matters.com
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terribly
obvious.
Clearing floats correctly is important in all browsers. Here are two
helpful articles:
http://www.complexspiral.com/publications/containing-floats/
http://www.positioniseverything.net/easyclearing.html
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