here.
Thank you, Erik Visser
Op 23-12-15 om 21:35 schreef Eric A. Meyer:
Hi, everyone,
So apparently the list software died back in October, and none of
us really noticed until this month. Or, if people noticed, nobody
mentioned it until this month. It took a while to get in touch
Georg schreef op 06-06-15 om 19:44:
Den 06.06.2015 14:01, skrev Erik Visser:
Any suggestions?
I use several techniques for controlling text alongside floats,
depending on case and size of image.
Thanks all!
I'am busy with accounting now (my favourite hobby).
So that's why it took some
Georg schreef op 04-06-15 om 12:43:
Only potential problem I can see, is that text alongside floating images
may break up in not so nice ways as space narrows...
Screenshot: http://www.gunlaug.com/contents/imagefolders/extra/scr-utr.png
Yes, that's what i saw too, and i did not know what to
Erik Visser schreef op 04-06-15 om 02:58:
So tests from iphone and windows phone users are extra welcome!
Or is this not the right type of question for this list..?
Have to go to webdesign-l maybe?
Or is something missing
Erik Visser schreef op 04-06-15 om 03:00:
This is what i remember too.
Excuses for bloating the list with a not quite helpful contribution.
It was 3 am. But that's not a very good excuse.
Luckily the real experts came in and helped you out.
erik
An existing site made mobile using the mobile last approach;
http://www.utrechtsyogacentrum.nl
http://www.utrechtsyogacentrum.nl/styles/
Mobile testing please.
I have an adroid (4.2.2) phone myself.
So tests from iphone and windows phone users are extra welcome!
Thanks, Erik
Roger Blanton schreef op 04-06-15 om 02:26:
Without knowing the height of the element or parent container I don't think it
is possible without using a flex layout with just CSS.
This is what i remember too.
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Hi all,
I've implemented a menu for smaller screens ( 584px and smaller ):
Works quite well. (any comments welcome)
But
Only thing is that i can't get the menu button looking the same on
Android (4.2.2). and my browsers (safari/firefox/chrome) on mac os x.
That is, using the same css,
Chad Lundgren schreef op 27-05-15 om 05:47:
I like CSS Tricks's method of dealing with this issue:
https://css-tricks.com/responsive-data-tables/
Looked into that and other presented soultions. But i can't figure out
how i can put that to work with the time table i'am using.
The original
Tom Livingston schreef op 25-05-15 om 18:21:
Looks good.
On Monday, May 25, 2015, Erik Visser wrote:
Tom Livingston schreef op 25-05-15 om 16:12:
Footer width is still not scaling. Even at 480.
footer is scaling too now
I think so too. From what i can see and test
Hi all,
On the site i'am reworking for smaller screens there is a time table:
http://www.utrechtsyogacentrum.nl/yoga_lesrooster.php
Off course there is room to shrink this table some more. But is this the
way to go?
What are your experiences / advice on how to present such a table on
Hi all,
Here is the site i am woring on to make it suitable for mobile/small
screens.
It should behave from big screen until 480px.
Below 480px additional work has to be done. Thats the next step.
http://beta.erikvisser.net
How does it behave at your (smaller) screens/browsers?
Any flaws?
MiB schreef op 25-05-15 om 15:36:
Wider displays makes Logomap to fall down, which may not be your focus right
now. If this isn’t replaced or something I’d place it with absolute
positioning. I guess it’s not supposed to move anywhere where it’s placed now?
It was intended but not very
Tom Livingston schreef op 25-05-15 om 16:12:
Footer width is still not scaling. Even at 480.
footer is scaling too now
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Philip Taylor schreef op 25-05-15 om 19:14:
I don't think that http://beta.erikvisser.net/images/header1.jpg should
scale anamorphically as the window changes width; it would be better
(IMHO) if the aspect ratio should remain constant and the viewport onto
it change.
Ok, good point.
This is
Erik Visser schreef op 25-05-15 om 23:42:
Chrome 4.3.0.2
should be 43.0.2
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Georg schreef op 21-05-15 om 17:46:
You do not have to make your page responsive on wide screens, in order
to make it fit narrow screens. I suggest you manipulate the original
design through a series of mediaqueries, to make it work on narrower
screens.
That is: a mobile last approach that may
Philip Taylor schreef op 22-05-15 om 10:28:
Given that the latter three add to exactly 100%, and ignoring rounding
issues, in what circumstances (if any) would you expect them to exploit
their floatability ?
I am not a native English speaker. (guess yoiu already noticesd)
So to be shure. If
Philip Taylor schreef op 22-05-15 om 10:59:
No. In simpler words, as the widths of the individual columns add to
exactly 100%, it is not at all clear to me when one or more of those
columns might appear /underneath/ another column rather than alongside
(ignoring rounding issues). Talking
Hi all,
Thanks so for help and tips on making a site responsive.
This is the site i have to make a responsive version for:
http://www.utrechtsyogacentrum.nl
Reading all information provided i thought making the existing site
completely fluid would be a good first step.
This is the result
Al Sparber schreef op 09-05-15 om 18:30:
On 5/9/2015 7:25 AM, Erik Visser wrote:
Bootstrap (getbootstrap.com) was brought to my attention.
Is this a good bas/general approach?
What are your thoughts on and experiences with bootstrap.
Or is there another / better / simpeler / leaner / cleaner
dear list members,
I'am looking into an approach for setting up a website that fits in
different viewport sizes.
I like the idea of an approach that is quite useable/suiteable as a
base/general approach (roadmap) for different websites.
Bootstrap (getbootstrap.com) was brought to my
Dear listmembers,
I am at the start of adapting a site ( http://www.utrechtsyogacentrum.nl
) for mobile devices.
As i understood media queries is the way to go.
I found a site desinged for different screen sizes. Is this site quite
well behaving / designed for mobile devices?
Dear list members,
I have to transform this traditional handwritten html website into a
mobile friendly website: http://www.utrechtsyogacentrum.nl
The google webmaster tools testing page has two complaints. The site is
too wide. And links are to close to each other.
Other google
Can you please view this website and give me your comments?
Especially from technical point of view.
Any quirks or strange behaviour or whatever?
I hope i will get an overview of how this site works/acts on different
browsers and platforms.
http://beta.sterrenhofje.nl
Thank you, Erik Visser
A client wants elliptical menu buttons with Comic Sans font,
Please give me your remarks.
And how this menu behaves in the different browsers and/or pplatforms
you use.
Thanks, Erik
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David Laakso schreef op 12/11/10 12:49 PM:
On 12/11/10 6:45 AM, Erik Visser wrote:
Please give me your remarks.
And how this menu behaves in the different browsers and/or pplatforms
you use.
Thanks, Erik
uri, Erik?
eeehhh..
http://beta.ottermeerhoeve.nl/index.php
David Laakso schreef op 6/21/10 11:45 PM:
Erik Visser wrote:
(tested on windows xp and mac os x snow leopard)
both opera 9.64 en 10.54 make this page very long:
http://beta.ottermeerhoeve.nl
This...
/div !-- wrapper_extra --
/div !-- container --
/div !-- minwidth --
div id=footer
David Laakso schreef op 6/22/10 6:56 PM:
http://beta.ottermeerhoeve.nl
Point to the pages that don't work.
these (amongst others) have still long pages:
http://www.ottermeerhoeve.nl/index.php
http://www.ottermeerhoeve.nl/biobloemen.php
http://www.ottermeerhoeve.nl/natuurkamperen.php
/script/shadowbox/shadowbox.css
any ideas on how correct this?
Thank you,
Erik Visser
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lines): http://www.ottermeerhoeve.nl
Any ideas on what is causing the beta version to show up with these
empty lines in ie 6 and ie7?
Thank you,
Erik Visser
PS1 css:
http://beta.ottermeerhoeve.nl/css/style.css
http://beta.ottermeerhoeve.nl/css/makeup.css
http://beta.ottermeerhoeve.nl/css
David Laakso wrote:
Tried it again. I still am not able to reproduce the behavior on
http://www.daploosdrechtseweg.nl
in IE 6 or 7.
However, I am able to reproduce the behavior on
http://beta.daploosdrechtseweg.nl but only in IE/7.0-- but not IE/6.0.
Wish I had a solution rather than
at http://www.daploosdrechtseweg.nl
and http://beta.daploosdrechtseweg.nl
IE6 and IE7:
- sometimes show no text at initial load.
- sometimes there is text at initial load. but when scrolling down, the
text disappears.
Anyone any idea why this happens?
thanks, Erik
Erik Visser wrote:
at http://www.daploosdrechtseweg.nl
and http://beta.daploosdrechtseweg.nl
IE6 and IE7:
- sometimes show no text at initial load.
- sometimes there is text at initial load. but when scrolling down, the
text disappears.
Anyone any idea why this happens?
could
Erik Visser wrote:
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
table.image_block td .smalltxt {width: 8em!important}
...will for example work fine on an unaltered markup (with those
inline-styles in place).
And i thought !important was a hack for some sort of IE correction.
Obviously never looked
Robert Lane wrote:
I have tried to submit a post about UL positioning and am not seeing it
show up. I apologize for this post, it is a test.
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My questions is about the logo on this site:
http://beta.daploosdrechtseweg.nl
logo css, in makeup.css:
img#logo {
margin-top:-7px;
}
Everything is ok here in FF3 and IE7
My question is:
how can i lower the logo (so it sits on the black bottom border of the
div#masthead) in a simple way.
Robert Lane wrote:
I have tried to submit a post about UL positioning and am not seeing it
show up. I apologize for this post, it is a test.
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It seems that i can reply to messages on the list.
But i can't post new threads/questions to the list.
Any idea why this is?
And what can i do to resolve it?
Thanks, Erik Visser
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Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
Erik Visser wrote:
but still i like to solve it. (if possible)
any suggestions?
Sure. Don't use pixel-sized elements inside em-sized containers - or the
other way round. Such mixes are bound to break.
Thanks again. And a sorry also. Because I set out this next
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
table.image_block td .smalltxt {width: 8em!important}
...will for example work fine on an unaltered markup (with those
inline-styles in place).
And i thought !important was a hack for some sort of IE correction.
Obviously never looked into it very well.
On
Hello,
Yesterday I made some (stupid) late night changes to the jalbum
photobook at:
http://beta.ottermeerhoeve.nl/fotoboek/fotoboek.php
Everything looked ok in firefox.
But IE6 now the photobook drops down from the layout.
And the button bar of the photobook is far too small (propably
Erik Visser wrote:
Hello,
Yesterday I made some (stupid) late night changes to the jalbum
photobook at:
http://beta.ottermeerhoeve.nl/fotoboek/fotoboek.php
Everything looked ok in firefox.
But IE6 now the photobook drops down from the layout.
And the button bar of the photobook
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
Only get a drop in IE6 when resizing to font size: smaller/smallest. Is
that the problem?
Gunlaug,
you hit the nail on the hat!
as ever.
but still i like to solve it. (if possible)
any suggestions?
Erik
PS
If it is of any interest:
- jalbum because the owner
Hello,
I have an interesting problem that is bothering me. Two pages using
quite the same css giving different results.
This css:
#col_middle, #col_left, #col_right {
padding-bottom: 32767px !important;
margin-bottom: -32767px !important;
}
Is causing this page in Opera to become
Erik Visser wrote:
Hello,
I have an interesting problem that is bothering me. Two pages using
quite the same css giving different results.
This css:
#col_middle, #col_left, #col_right {
padding-bottom: 32767px !important;
margin-bottom: -32767px !important;
}
Is causing
Thought i could figure it out myself. Checked out positioniseverything
for ie bugs. But can't find it.
In the header there are 2 images. IE7, Firefox and the others display
them ok. But with IE 6 there's a gap under the images. Tried all sorts
of adjustments. But the gap won't go.
This is the
Kevin Evans wrote:
Hey Erik,
The space is probably because CSS sometimes treats images as text
with the baseline below, acting as space. To get rid of it you either
have to add display: block; to the image or a float: left; to the
image
On Jul 2, 2007, at 12:31 PM, Erik Visser
goto: http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=FrontPage
then: resizing images
there are links to sites on:
- safes
- paris hilton
- etc.
Erik
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David Hucklesby wrote:
I didn't mean to be quite so dismissive. But you may like to consider
this technique for viewing coding results in several real browsers every
time you press save:
http://tinyurl.com/y98bx7
How wel is this supported accross browser land?
I think i remember that
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
http://24-10reading.nl/
Too many back and forth corrections between browsers for my taste, so
I leave the rest to others.
Georg,
what do you mean exactly with this?
Erik
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~davidLaakso wrote:
Erik Visser wrote:
A site check please for anoter site i recently finished:
http://24-10reading.nl/
Any remarks, also on the design are very welcome.
Thanks, Erik Visser
She did well on my end (xp) in ie/7., opera/9.1, and ff (version
whatever it is). In ie/6.0
Daniel Beardsmore wrote:
~davidLaakso wrote:
However, with both of your sites (and this is a personal opinion that is
not shared by all on this or any other list), I find sites that require
both horizontal and vertical scrolling when the fonts are scaled to be
bothersome.
Not just font
bill scheider wrote:
I really like the design of the site; it has a nice, open feel that I like.
That's exactly what my cliennt was after. But it takes a lot of space as
you noticed.
The same as David noted, in IE6 on xp on my machine, the left side logo
starts to disappear at text-size
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
Erik Visser wrote:
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
http://24-10reading.nl/
Too many back and forth corrections between browsers for my taste, so
I leave the rest to others.
what do you mean exactly with this?
Only that I personally found it hard to keep track of what
Daniel Beardsmore wrote:
Hm ... I am no expert, but the design seems simple enough to me that it
should reduce in width quite a bit more.
agreed
lots of whitespace everywhere to reduce
I don't know why it stops at ~850px.
me neither, but i should look into that later.
Personally I
sorry, this mail was meant to be sent offlist
Erik Visser wrote:
Daniel Beardsmore wrote:
Hm ... I am no expert, but the design seems simple enough to me that it
should reduce in width quite a bit more.
agreed
lots of whitespace everywhere to reduce
I don't know why it stops
of the Holy Grail [1]. I have used and like Georg
Sortun's spin off version
very much
[1] http://alistapart.com/articles/holygrail
Which makes me wonder: where can i find Georg's spin off version?
Thanks, Erik Visser
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Erik Visser wrote:
Hello dear members,
A site check please for anoter site i recently finished:
http://24-10reading.nl/
http://24-10reading.nl/css/style.css
http://24-10reading.nl/css/makeup.css
http://24-10reading.nl/css/menu.css
!--[if lt IE 7]
http://24-10reading.nl/css/ie.css
~davidLaakso wrote:
As of this writing, I no longer see that problem in ie/7.0 on any page.
i did not change anything
my ultimate dream (as a developer): self correcting code
and thus:
css Pro 2001.0
and XHTML 2000.0
compliant code
wow ;-)
thanks Erik
remarks, also on the design are very welcome.
Thanks, Erik Visser
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Erik Visser wrote:
http://www.ottermeerhoeve.nl
Nice job, Erik.
thanks
There is a minor issue (if you even want to call it that) with a
sidebar in place in viewing some pages with images in ie/7.0.
some?
not all pages with photos you viewed?
if so, strange
Zoe M. Gillenwater wrote:
By the way, Jukka, to start a new thread, do not reply to an existing
message. When you do this, your message gets threaded on to the old
thread
by the way:
- is there a thunderbird extension to easily split such a thread?
- or another way (messing with headers)
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
I can't easily read text smaller than that on my screens. I design
for 200% font-resizing, or 32px 'minimum font size', in case
someone needs even larger text. You should try that.
done! the whole thing is now a liquid layout. dropped all those
pixels and changed it
Paul Novitski wrote:
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Here's an example of one technique that I
produced using English Japanese text:
http://laurietobyedison.com/WOJwords.asp?lang=EN
Every bilingual page on the site contains both
languages, with only one of them displayed at a time.
Ingo Chao wrote:
Mark Baber wrote:
As for IE7 ... last I heard, one can't run IE and IE6 on the same
machine, and so I won't be able to test on IE6 if I upgrade.
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2006/11/30/ie6-and-ie7-running-on-a-single-machine.aspx
- Virtual PC 2004
- Virtual machine
I'am working on this site:
http://beta.24-10reading.nl/
It's got a horizontal menu with submenus (using a .htc file for
whatwever hover), all work like intended. Except...
Then there's also a wordpress installation on this site. I altered the
wordpress template (mainly the header) so it uses
Ingo Chao wrote:
sorry. did not read the post. it does not work on the blog. is the path
to the htc correct? And the conditional comment?
Tried all sorts of paths to the htc file.
And the conditional comment is working in the non blog part of the site.
But thats why i keep thinking i'am
Ingo Chao wrote:
sorry. did not read the post. it does not work on the blog. is the path
to the htc correct? And the conditional comment?
addition to the paths i tested.
i did this by trial and error
changed it from /htc/csshover.htc (which works for the rest of the site)
to:
Ingo Chao wrote:
But the conditional comment: I cannot see it on the blog part.
I only see 1 (the first) conditional comment when i do view source.
This is what i added to the header.php
!--[if lt IE 8]
style type=text/css media=screen
img#img2410 { top: 2.45em; }
/style
Erik Visser wrote:
Ingo Chao wrote:
But the conditional comment: I cannot see it on the blog part.
I only see 1 (the first) conditional comment when i do view source.
forget about this. did not look good
sorry
they are there all three now
ie.css is found (thats why backgorund is purple
the site below looks good in IE6
in IE7 it gets very long pages:
http://bartbleijerveld.nl
someone an idea why?
thanks, Erik
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for these menus, or is there a better one?
I have to build a menu bar with a submenu level into this site i'am
building:
http://beta.erikvisser.net/24-10/
Thanks, Erik visser
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francky wrote:
So I made an update to repair FF1.07 (adding things to maintain IE6) [1]:
*
http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/css-discuss/test-erikvisserbeta-vs2-a.html
with right column longest.
*
Erik Visser wrote:
I am developing a site:
http://beta.erikvisser.net/24-10/index.shtml
http://beta.erikvisser.net/24-10/css/makeup.css
and 4 pairs of .css files because of style switching during development:
http://beta.erikvisser.net/css/style.css; title='nav_bright'
http
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
Erik Visser wrote:
Then a question on my menu. It looks quite good. Hoovering is ok. But
when clicked the border of #header disappears...
I think this was brought up earlier on the list. Something to do with
dotted line when selected. But is this correct
Thanks, especially Gunlaug and Franky, for the thorough testing.
Now i put up further developed version of the site.
(Franky, your latest addition/change is not yet included)
I have 2 specififc questions.
-- 1. -- Padding or margin?
To lower the text in the middle column (#col_middle) i used:
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
The addition of...
#header {background: blue; height: auto;}
.hnav {background: #fff;}
#nav {overflow: hidden; background: #fff;}
...will make it look as you describe - blue on left side and white on
right side.
Well, keeping left and right apart is always hard for
francky wrote:
Erik Visser wrote:
The the colored horizontal menu's left and right zone are white. But the
left
and right?
No, right should be blue, left should be white. Gunlaug brought up the
solution.
Thanks Franky, Erik
I made a mock up (i thik this means: rough setup. correct?) for a site
i am developing:
http://beta.erikvisser.net/24-10/index.shtml
http://beta.erikvisser.net/24-10/css/style.css
http://beta.erikvisser.net/24-10/css/makeup.css
I want the vertical text (actually an image): 24-10 READING
to stay
Christian Heilmann wrote:
I like @import, as it allows for modularization of CSS much more than LINKs
do.
Can you explain a little more on modularization?
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Phil Turner wrote:
I need to find a shopping cart that can work out postage/shipping
costs, paypal only allows one currency does anyone know a good one we
only have one product to sell but need to include all the various
postage costs.
Take a look here:
http://www.zencart.com/
Felix Miata wrote:
It's now easy to test for yourself using IE on Linux.
Screenshot: http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/SS/kde-IE6.gif
gives a 404
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David Laakso wrote:
Erik Visser wrote:
http://beta.bartbleijerveld.nl/8/site/
xp :: ie/opera/ff/moz
Crazy about all that white space.
too much you mean?
Might be nice to relieve some of the starkness, though, with a touch of color
here and there.
what is starkness?
the simple / clean
http://beta.bartbleijerveld.nl/8/site/
thanks, Erik
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Zoe M. Gillenwater wrote:
Erik Visser wrote:
so i'am looking for a place with good explaination of the technique(s) of:
columns streching to the bottom of the viewport, regardless of the
content length of any of the columns
I don't know of a comprehensive article, but we have a wiki page
so i'am looking for a place with good explaination of the technique(s) of:
columns streching to the bottom of the viewport, regardless of the
content length of any of the columns
through google i found in some forums tips for specific user questions,
but not a good article that (thorrow) explains
Erik Visser wrote:
The only thing it does not yet do is:
both columns stretching down to the bottom of the viewport even if they
each only have a few lines of text
you can see this the best when you zoom-out quite a bit
before fixing this short coming i like your opinions
ok, the page
What i'am trying to achieve is:
- a 2 columns layout with vertical borders
where the 2 columns stretch to the bottom of the viewport
(even when both columns only have one or 2 lines of text)
- combined with a footer that sticks to the bottom of the viewport
i started almost a half year ago
and
David Hucklesby wrote:
Erik Visser wrote:
it is fixed
Would you like to share with us how you fixed it?
this:
http://archivist.incutio.com/viewlist/css-discuss/59082
brought me to this:
http://www.456bereastreet.com/lab/float_negative_margins/
that did it in my case
Erik
Michael Hulse wrote:
On Dec 12, 2005, at 4:48 AM, Erik Visser wrote:
in this the links in the left column are not clickable in safari:
http://www.bartbleijerveld.nl/
http://www.bartbleijerveld.nl/css/skidoo_too.css
anybody any idea how to solve this?
They are clickable in the version
I'am makinjg a lay-out:
http://beta.bartbleijerveld.nl/2t5050/
http://beta.bartbleijerveld.nl/2t5050/css/skidoo_too.css
What i'am trying to accomplisg
Is that the columns stretch down to the bottom of the page. Regardles if
there's content or not.
I tried all sorts of combinations with height
Schalk wrote:
Have a look here:
http://www.themaninblue.com/writing/perspective/2005/08/29/
I aready did. And it seems thast the columns stretch down but they
don't, Look here:
http://beta.bartbleijerveld.nl/t5050/
The red and the blue are the columns. I need them to stretch down
because
Schalk wrote:
Erik Visser wrote:
Schalk wrote:
Have a look here:
http://www.themaninblue.com/writing/perspective/2005/08/29/
I aready did. And it seems thast the columns stretch down but they
don't, Look here:
http://beta.bartbleijerveld.nl/t5050/
Basically this is what i
Erik Visser wrote:
Schalk wrote:
Erik Visser wrote:
Schalk wrote:
Have a look here:
http://www.themaninblue.com/writing/perspective/2005/08/29/
I aready did. And it seems thast the columns stretch down but they
don't, Look here:
http://beta.bartbleijerveld.nl/t5050/
Basically
in this the links in the left column are not clickable in safari:
http://www.bartbleijerveld.nl/
http://www.bartbleijerveld.nl/css/skidoo_too.css
anybody any idea how to solve this?
thanks, Erik
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on this site the left column is not showing in IE6 WinXP
http://www.bartbleijerveld.nl/
http://www.bartbleijerveld.nl/css/skidoo_too.css
anybody any idea how to solve this?
thanks, Erik
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Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
Ingo Chao wrote:
Erik Visser wrote:
http://www.bartbleijerveld.nl/
http://www.bartbleijerveld.nl/css/skidoo_too.css
Your footer script or whatever crashes IE when the window is
diagonally resized to 25%.
That tendency to crash will be solved if the correct wrapper get
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