On 2009/03/15 10:27 (GMT-0400) Tim Climis composed:
It seems that this whole font sizing mess boils down to the fact that pixel
is not a standardized unit of measure. one pixel on my monitor is a
different
size from one pixel on your monitor.
Exactly the reason it's best to size nothing
On 2009/03/16 14:41 (GMT+0900) Philippe Wittenbergh composed:
Felix Miata wrote:
I haven't figured out where Vrinda came from, other than it's a M$ font
NAICT originally from mid-2004.
Vrinda is part of a default install of Windows XP (I wouldn't know how it
got installed on my VM's
2009/3/13 Michael Stevens bigm...@bigmikes.org:
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From: Jukka K. Korpela [mailto:jkorp...@cs.tut.fi]
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 12:23 PM
To: CSS discuss
Subject: Re: [css-d] Font size dilemma
Leave aside the font-size, as a CSS property, or as a propery of a font
2009/3/15 Michael Adams linux_m...@paradise.net.nz:
On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:42:06 -1000
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Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
Michael Stevens wrote:
Calibri I have but do not have installed all the time and use it
maybe a couple times a month. And
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From: Felix Miata
why not just set the font size to 10pt?
4-IE's text sizer has no effect on pt (or px) sized text.
Having used a very high resolution to physical size Windows tablet PC for
years I know that if you use points on a Windows computer IE will size any
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 02:19:42 -0400
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On 2009/03/16 14:41 (GMT+0900) Philippe Wittenbergh composed:
Felix Miata wrote:
I haven't figured out where Vrinda came from, other than it's a M$
font NAICT originally from mid-2004.
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009, Cheryl D Wise wrote
However, Firefox does
not recognize the 120dpi or whatever other settings you choose in your OS
and will continue to display it as the browser's default point size.
Firefox's default font size is in pixels, not points, so conversion from
points to
On 2009/03/17 11:19 (GMT+1300) Richard Mason composed:
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009, Cheryl D Wise wrote
However, Firefox does
not recognize the 120dpi or whatever other settings you choose in your OS
and will continue to display it as the browser's default point size.
Firefox's default font size is
On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:42:06 -1000
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Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
Michael Stevens wrote:
Calibri I have but do not have installed all the time and use it
maybe a couple times a month. And I've never heard of Vrinda.
I picked up Vrinda
Michael Adams wrote:
On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:42:06 -1000
Came this utterance formulated by david to my mailbox:
Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
Michael Stevens wrote:
Calibri I have but do not have installed all the time and use it
maybe a couple times a month. And I've never heard of Vrinda.
I
david wrote:
I don't expect Office 2007 use to establish itself, but that's just
my opinion.
May well be right. For instance: OpenOffice is officially recommended as
alternative to / upgrade-replacement for MS Office(s) and other
proprietary office software in my country.
The bottom line
I would imagine setting a browser minimum font size to bring (say)
cnn.com back to 100% font size equivalent would have no effect on a
site set to 100% font size; very little effect on one set to say 85%;
but running the browser in some zoom mode to get cnn to 100% equiv
would blow our
Tim Climis wrote:
I have a related question, because when I first took up CSS in my
designs in 2002 or so, I used to size my fonts in points. That was
what word processing programs did it in, so that was how I did it.
I gradually learned through online reading that that was not the
At 11:01 + on 03/13/2009, Bobby Jack wrote about Re: [css-d] Font
size dilemma:
Having said all that, I don't think we need to be too dogmatic about
it. Web pages are NOT the same as books - I believe there should be
more of a visual identity to a site than just a logo and a couple
At 21:26 -0400 on 03/14/2009, Felix Miata wrote about Re: [css-d]
Font size dilemma:
It's also possible for fonts to show up at the preferred size, regardless how
large or small that happens to be. It's also possible that the difficulties
resulting from common too small fonts will be reduced
At 16:59 +0100 on 03/15/2009, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gunlaug_S=F8rtun?= wrote
about Re: [css-d] Font size dilemma:
6: if a printed work has too small text, the end-user can either use a
magnifying glass or throw the entire work into the fireplace.
Or just buy the book (or get it from your local public
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009, Tim Climis wrote
I gradually learned through online reading that that was not the right way to
do it, and stopped, but I've never been able to figure out why it's wrong in
the first place.
One reason is that points are inches and some people who write about
these topics
On 2009/03/15 17:14 (GMT-0400) Bob Rosenberg composed:
There is also the problem that the character height on a site
designed on a Windows Machine makes the characters look smaller on a
Macintosh Computer (to get the same image size on the Mac you must
bump the size up one notch). This has
Tim Climis wrote:
Most graphic arts programs have the ability to guess the size of a pixel on
your monitor, presumably from your drivers or some setting in your OS or
something, so it seems that web browsers must be able to do that same thing.
So it stands to reason that if you want your
On 2009/03/14 18:42 (GMT-1000) david composed:
Well, in my 20+ years of using computers, including desktop publishing,
graphic and web design work - I've never used a computer that had either
Calibri or Vrinda on it. And I used to be a real font junky! (That spans
every version of Windows,
On Mar 16, 2009, at 2:14 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
Well, in my 20+ years of using computers, including desktop
publishing,
graphic and web design work - I've never used a computer that had
either
Calibri or Vrinda on it. And I used to be a real font junky! (That
spans
every version of
Michael Stevens wrote:
Calibri I have but do not have installed all the time and use it maybe a
couple times a month. And I've never heard of Vrinda.
I picked up Vrinda after considering the material at
http://www.codestyle.org/css/font-family/sampler-WindowsResults.shtml
and noticing that
On 13/03/2009, at 9:12 PM, david wrote:
And who says that CNN or any other particular site is doing it
right?
I'm not saying they are doing it right, personally I think it's too
small.
What I *am* saying is:
1. that is what Joe Average user is used to seeing;
2. those who have difficulty
On 2009/03/15 11:55 (GMT+1100) Kathy Wheeler composed:
What I *am* saying is:
1. that is what Joe Average user is used to seeing;
Not related to liking.
2. those who have difficulty with those sizes will have already
compensated for it in some way or another;
Compensation methods
On 2009/03/14 21:55 (GMT+0200) Jukka K. Korpela composed:
But what's the point of suggesting generic font families only?
Allowing a user to actually see his preferred font family used on a web page
not of his own making?
Well, maybe
it makes popular browsers use Arial instead of Times New
Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
Michael Stevens wrote:
Calibri I have but do not have installed all the time and use it maybe a
couple times a month. And I've never heard of Vrinda.
I picked up Vrinda after considering the material at
Kathy Wheeler wrote:
I know the mantra: let the user decide, set font-size to 100% but ...
Looking at major general news sites, popular public blogging etc
sites, they ALL seem to have fonts set much smaller. This being the
case surely the visually impaired surfer, being otherwise
--- On Fri, 3/13/09, Kathy Wheeler kat...@home.albury.net.au wrote:
Looking at major general news sites, popular public
blogging etc
sites, they ALL seem to have fonts set much smaller. This
being the
case surely the visually impaired surfer, being otherwise
perfectly
normal
Kathy Wheeler wrote:
Rather than blindly (bad term, I know) accepting the 100% font size,
wouldn't a better approach be to settle on a font-size that doesn't
make a client's site look like a kindergarten reader
I'm not sure why one's page should not be better than the crowd in
legibility.
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From: Jukka K. Korpela [mailto:jkorp...@cs.tut.fi]
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 12:23 PM
To: CSS discuss
Subject: Re: [css-d] Font size dilemma
Leave aside the font-size, as a CSS property, or as a propery of a font, for
a moment. What those people want is not small
Kathy Wheeler wrote:
Rather than blindly (bad term, I know) accepting the 100% font size,
wouldn't a better approach be to settle on a font-size that doesn't
make a client's site look like a kindergarten reader (compared to
major news sites for eg) and just make sure it doesn't break under
Kathy Wheeler wrote:
I know the mantra: let the user decide, set font-size to 100% but ...
KathyW.
I guess there is a CSS question, rather than a difference of opinion,
buried in your post. What is it?
--
A thin red line and a salmon-color ampersand forthcoming.
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From: Kathy Wheeler kat...@home.albury.net.au
To: CSS discuss css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:05 PM
Subject: [css-d] Font size dilemma
I know the mantra: let the user decide, set font-size to 100% but ...
Stet
Looking at major
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