Re: [css-d] Grid System

On 10/20/14, 2:16 AM, MiB wrote: okt 20 2014 11:08 MiB : Grids are not hocus locus. I’m giving this response a "Like" :) -- Cordially, David __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/

Re: [css-d] Grid System

On Monday, October 20, 2014, David Hucklesby wrote: > On 10/20/14, 2:16 AM, MiB wrote: > >> >> okt 20 2014 11:08 MiB : >> >> Grids are not hocus locus. >>> >> >> > I’m giving this response a "Like" :) Magic plague ;-) -- Tom Livingston | Senior Front-End Developer | Media Logic | ph: 518

Re: [css-d] Grid System

okt 20 2014 12:57 MiB : > If it’s 978 px, the element width will be based on that and if it’s 500px or > 1200px it will be base on those numbers. I should have used plural ”widths” here, as the width property is of course only a part of the width an element will take up. _

Re: [css-d] Grid System

okt 20 2014 13:02 Tom Livingston : > Even given that, mixing units is going to cause issues, especially for those > just learning. I recommend using percentage for all, as in David L's example. That’s a good start, but percentage values does have to be controlled to not yield silly results in

Re: [css-d] Grid System

On Monday, October 20, 2014, Tom Livingston wrote: > > > On Monday, October 20, 2014, MiB > wrote: > >> >> >> okt 20 2014 12:20 Philip Taylor : >> >> > On the contrary, I want to challenge your assertion that "you can >> translate from px sizing to percentages" for all but the most trivial of >>

Re: [css-d] Grid System

okt 20 2014 12:56 Philip Taylor : > Make context explicit as a part of your assertions, don't rely on others > inferring it. Study the pragmatics of discourse. Yes Philip, I’ll assume you don’t read all relevant posts in the thread you’re posting in, in the future. ___

Re: [css-d] Grid System

okt 20 2014 12:32 Tom Livingston : > I have to agree with Philip here. If you don't know context you can use the > formula you referenced. That, I believe, is his point. Viewport width is not > something you will know. Agree on the obvious, you mean? In the given example, the context was know

Re: [css-d] Grid System

MiB wrote: Consider context, not only when translating pixel-expressed designs, but also when reading this list. Make context explicit as a part of your assertions, don't rely on others inferring it. Study the pragmatics of discourse. Philip Taylor __

Re: [css-d] Grid System

On Monday, October 20, 2014, MiB wrote: > > > okt 20 2014 12:20 Philip Taylor >: > > > On the contrary, I want to challenge your assertion that "you can > translate from px sizing to percentages" for all but the most trivial of > cases. If /everything/ was originally expressed in pixels, then of

Re: [css-d] Grid System

On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 6:39 AM, David Laakso wrote: > On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 6:28 PM, Crest Christopher > wrote: > >> I have a css grid question..[trimmed] >> Thanks >> Christopher > > Christopher, > > This does not answer your specific questions. It is simply a coded > example of a three colu

Re: [css-d] Grid System

On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 6:28 PM, Crest Christopher wrote: > I have a css grid question..[trimmed] > Thanks > Christopher Christopher, This does not answer your specific questions. It is simply a coded example of a three column responsive grid layout. Variations of column widths and their respe

Re: [css-d] Grid System

Sorry, that should read "If you don't know context you CAN'T use the formula..." Another victim of auto correct... On Monday, October 20, 2014, Tom Livingston wrote: > I have to agree with Philip here. If you don't know context you can use > the formula you referenced. That, I believe, is his p

Re: [css-d] Grid System

I have to agree with Philip here. If you don't know context you can use the formula you referenced. That, I believe, is his point. Viewport width is not something you will know. If, for example, you know your content will be a max-width of 960px, then you can work off of that in the formula. Also

Re: [css-d] Grid System

okt 20 2014 12:20 Philip Taylor : > On the contrary, I want to challenge your assertion that "you can translate > from px sizing to percentages" for all but the most trivial of cases. If > /everything/ was originally expressed in pixels, then of course you can > translate from px sizing to p

Re: [css-d] Grid System

MiB wrote: You clearly [...] want to waste my time and the readers of this email discussion list. On the contrary, I want to challenge your assertion that "you can translate from px sizing to percentages" for all but the most trivial of cases. If /everything/ was originally expressed in p

Re: [css-d] Grid System

okt 20 2014 11:25 Philip Taylor : > > MiB wrote: > >> What part of ”will explain it all” did you not like? > > The part where you consistently avoid my question. So you admit being a troll? You’re not here to learn and share knowledge, like the a majority of the other members? I answered

Re: [css-d] Grid System

MiB wrote: What part of ”will explain it all” did you not like? The part where you consistently avoid my question. Philip Taylor __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d

Re: [css-d] Grid System

okt 20 2014 11:17 Philip Taylor : > But when your context is 100% and your target is 16px (or any other number of > px), what then ? I refuse to answer any more questions like this one form you until you have read the article I linked to. What part of ”will explain it all” did you not like?

Re: [css-d] Grid System

okt 20 2014 01:14 Crest Christopher : > You can use pixels instead of percentages for a fluid layout ? You can use pixels for the parts of the grid you want to be inflexible, like gutters. This will break relative relationships so must be handled with care. ___

Re: [css-d] Grid System

MiB wrote: Unfortunately I must do work now, but the (classic) basic context-aware formula is target ÷ context = result. But when your context is 100% and your target is 16px (or any other number of px), what then ? Philip Taylor __

Re: [css-d] Grid System

okt 20 2014 11:08 MiB : > Grids are not hocus locus. Grids are not hocus pocus either. OS X’s canning ability to invisibly (erroneously) correct me is very irritating. Probably solveable, but no time. :P __ css-discuss [css-

Re: [css-d] Grid System

okt 20 2014 10:49 Philip Taylor : > MiB wrote: > >> you can translate from px sizing to percentages >> I’ll answer specific questions, not your erroneous assumptions. > > Fine, here's a specific question : "How would you translate from 16px to a > percentage” ? Unfortunately I must do work n

Re: [css-d] Grid System

okt 20 2014 10:49 Philip Taylor : > MiB wrote: > >> you can translate from px sizing to percentages >> I’ll answer specific questions, not your erroneous assumptions. > > Fine, here's a specific question : "How would you translate from 16px to a > percentage” ? Give the context. Percentages

Re: [css-d] Grid System

MiB wrote: you can translate from px sizing to percentages I’ll answer specific questions, not your erroneous assumptions. Fine, here's a specific question : "How would you translate from 16px to a percentage" ? Philip Taylor __

Re: [css-d] Grid System

okt 20 2014 09:12 Philip Taylor : > MiB wrote: > >> That’s not what I said. Try again. > > You said "you can translate from px sizing to percentages." > I pointed out that, in general, you cannot. I am still waiting > for you to demonstrate how you can. And I won’t since what I referred to is

Re: [css-d] Grid System

MiB wrote: That’s not what I said. Try again. You said "you can translate from px sizing to percentages." I pointed out that, in general, you cannot. I am still waiting for you to demonstrate how you can. Philip Taylor __

Re: [css-d] Grid System

Karl DeSaulniers wrote: By calculating what size your website is naturally without responsiveness? 100% of window width. But since you cannot know what the window width is, you are no closer to being able to map from the number of px to a percentage, are you ? Philip Taylor

Re: [css-d] Grid System

okt 19 2014 23:38 Philip Taylor : > MiB wrote: > >> That’s irrelevant as you can translate from px sizing to percentages. > > How ? How can you know (for example) what percentage of a full-width element > 16px represents ? Since you have no way of knowing the width of the browser > window i

Re: [css-d] Grid System

On Oct 19, 2014, at 4:38 PM, Philip Taylor wrote: > > > MiB wrote: > >> That’s irrelevant as you can translate from px sizing to percentages. > > How ? How can you know (for example) what percentage of a full-width element > 16px represents ? Since you have no way of knowing the width of

Re: [css-d] Grid System

Howdy Crest, ~~~ Sunday, October 19, 2014, 7:14:07 PM (USA 'Somewhere on-the-road time-zone'), you wrote the message that appears below. My reply appears here and/or interspersed within your message. ~~~ > Gutters are there to maintain consistency and a visual flow to a page, > correct ? Gutter

Re: [css-d] Grid System

Gutters are there to maintain consistency and a visual flow to a page, correct ? You can use pixels instead of percentages for a fluid layout ? GJim Sunday, October 19, 2014 11:19 AM Howdy Crest, ~~~ Saturday, October 18, 2014, 6:28:42 PM (USA 'Somewhere on-the-r

Re: [css-d] Grid System

MiB wrote: That’s irrelevant as you can translate from px sizing to percentages. How ? How can you know (for example) what percentage of a full-width element 16px represents ? Since you have no way of knowing the width of the browser window in pure CSS, you also have no way of knowing wh

Re: [css-d] Grid System

okt 19 2014 17:40 GJim : > I should have mentioned that I don't use px for column layouts - instead, I > use > percentages. That’s irrelevant as you can translate from px sizing to percentages. You can keep gutters in px or ems, depending on content and within what media query they exist. __

Re: [css-d] Grid System

Howdy Crest, ~~~ Saturday, October 18, 2014, 6:28:42 PM (USA 'Somewhere on-the-road time-zone'), you wrote the message that appears below. My reply appears here and/or interspersed within your message. ~~~ > In the example image, there are 54px columns and 30px gutters, if > everything I've men

Re: [css-d] Grid System

Howdy Crest, ~~~ Saturday, October 18, 2014, 6:28:42 PM (USA 'Somewhere on-the-road time-zone'), you wrote the message that appears below. My reply appears here and/or interspersed within your message. ~~~ > In the example image, there are 54px columns and 30px gutters, if > everything I've men

Re: [css-d] Grid System

You mean gutters are there to give aesthetic spacing to elements on the page ? Tom Livingston Saturday, October 18, 2014 6:32 PM Gutters are there to space out items that are in adjacent columns. Two vertical columns of text for example. You wouldn't want those to co

Re: [css-d] Grid System

Gutters are there to space out items that are in adjacent columns. Two vertical columns of text for example. You wouldn't want those to columns to touch each other. On Saturday, October 18, 2014, Crest Christopher wrote: > I have a css grid question, using this image

[css-d] Grid System

I have a css grid question, using this image as an example. The 12 columns, including the gutters is a row correct ? I understand that you can span your content, or images, which must never have a width, XX number of col