Re: [css-d] Stylinzing drop lists

2005-09-22 Thread Christian Heilmann
Using CSS, I have stylized my droplist to with a red/green color scheme at http://webmarksonline.com/temp/styledroplist.html The problem is that I am unable to stylize the actively selected option. Right now the active option as well as the option as the user mouse over them is the default

[css-d] hr and background image without border in IE

2005-09-22 Thread Martin Petrov
I guess my question's been asked many times. I'm wondering if anybody knows how to remove the border that Internet Explorer shows when using a background image with the hr element. Thanks __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[css-d] tables VS divs

2005-09-22 Thread shlomi asaf
HI Guys I'm facing now the dilemma between working with tables or div's im trying to figure what is the golden path Sometimes div's seems to be overkilling achievement when I'm working with a layout of 3 standing columns and one should relate to his brother height Even though div's are so

Re: [css-d] tables VS divs

2005-09-22 Thread Kristina Floyd
shlomi asaf wrote: I'm facing now the dilemma between working with tables or div's im trying to figure what is the golden path Hi IMHO it shouldn't be a tables Vs divs argument - because both have their place when correctly marked up. It should be a tables for formatting Vs CSS argument.

Re: [css-d] tables VS divs

2005-09-22 Thread shlomi asaf
*hey guys* thanks so much for your replies *cristina*, have u found your css fails? mine never fall down. ill read more in details your email, later on- promise :) *dwain, **cristina, *look at this example, plz enlighten my eyes if im doing something wrong.

Re: [css-d] How big is too big?

2005-09-22 Thread Bob Easton
Tim Zappe wrote: How big is too big? - What is a good rule of thumb for a CSS file size? - How big should all of the images used by your stylesheet be? -- Total - What is a good size for a typical web page? -- I remember hearing 60-80k, but that seems like we should be able to go

[css-d] automated response

2005-09-22 Thread Chris McCreery
I will be away on vacation September 22nd and returning October 3rd. If you require assistance please contact Amanda Street-Bishop - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you, Chris McCreery __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [css-d] Site Check Please - Voices of CSM

2005-09-22 Thread Felix Miata
Juanita wrote: If anyone has a moment and can check out my site (this is my first all CSS site) - it seems to be okay in IE6, FF, Opera NN7, but I'm not sure about other browsers or Mac. I imported the stylesheet so as not to break in NN4, but haven't done a more basic stylesheet for it

Re: [css-d] tables VS divs

2005-09-22 Thread Christian Montoya
If web design was easy, companies wouldn't pay hundreds, even thousands of dollars for great web sites. CSS is about learning to do it right. I can assure you that once you learn the techniques of CSS, you'll find it's a lot faster than designing with tables. You just have to keep working on it.

[css-d] Re: Float in IE Mac expands design

2005-09-22 Thread Yazmin Media
Suggestions anyone? On 9/21/05, Yazmin Media [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have the following files: http://yazminmedia.com/playground/test.htm http://yazminmedia.com/playground/description.css http://yazminmedia.com/playground/metal2.css In the description.css file, if I float the .panel

Re: [css-d] Re: Float in IE Mac expands design

2005-09-22 Thread Yazmin Media
On 9/22/05, Christian Heilmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Move the files to another folder, this one keeps asking for login details. Therefore we cannot see your CSS and give you any advice. My guess is that you have set no width to the floated element.MSIE is picky with that. Sorry, I

[css-d] background image trouble

2005-09-22 Thread Tanya Renne
At this site: http://dev.ironworkers.org there is a big gap in the middle of the left sidebar - it is there because the nav2 div ends prematurely ... to remedy that I've added a background image to #sitecontainer - but i've done something wrong because the image isn't showing up. Any

Re: [css-d] hr and background image without border in IE

2005-09-22 Thread Steve Clay
Thursday, September 22, 2005, 3:32:28 AM, Martin Petrov wrote: knows how to remove the border that Internet Explorer shows when using a background image with the hr element. Styling HR is pretty much hopeless cross-browser. Put a DIV around it, position the HR offscreen (it may have use to

Re: [css-d] Designing without tables

2005-09-22 Thread John Guchemand
Hello all, It is a pleasure to be a newcomer to this group. It appears to be a great (live) resource for web designers/developers, and I am so glad that I found out about this. Well, nice to meet you. OK, on with my question. In IE6 the text on this page (http://www.csszengarden.com)

RE: [css-d] CSS in Theory Practise

2005-09-22 Thread Pringle, Ron
Yet there also are the practical issue of browser defaults which pull in the opposite direction. One might make assumptions about how the browser will handle the page background-color, font-size line- height, or margin padding but there is certainly no guarantee that all browsers

Re: [css-d] CSS in Theory Practise

2005-09-22 Thread Christian Heilmann
Yet there also are the practical issue of browser defaults which pull in the opposite direction. One might make assumptions about how the browser will handle the page background-color, font-size line- height, or margin padding but there is certainly no guarantee that all browsers have the

Re: [css-d] CSS in Theory Practise

2005-09-22 Thread Alex Robinson
Practice good. Theory bad. On this list in any case. So, when you've figured out what direction you want to take, come back and fire away with practical questions. In the meantime, this article of Eric's should get you started:

Re: [css-d] Designing without tables

2005-09-22 Thread John Guchemand
Thank you all for your help. Next time, I will start a new thread. Cheers, John __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by

RE: [css-d] Designing without tables

2005-09-22 Thread CJ Larson
FireFox gives the user the ability to resize text regardless of what the designer specified as units in their CSS code. IE, on the other hand, doesn't resize the text if the CSS specifies the font in px/pt, which is what the default template for zengarden does: body { font: 9pt/17pt georgia; }

RE: [css-d] Designing without tables

2005-09-22 Thread Oliver Hodgson
-Original Message- From: Oliver Hodgson This is because Internet Explorer cannot resize text whose size is set in pixels, but can size text set in other measurement details. Huh? Read that as other units of measurement. I'm up to my eyeballs in decongestant, so thinking isn't my

Re: [css-d] Re: Float in IE Mac expands design

2005-09-22 Thread Ben Curtis
On 9/21/05, Yazmin Media [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have the following files: http://yazminmedia.com/playground/test.htm http://yazminmedia.com/playground/description.css http://yazminmedia.com/playground/metal2.css In the description.css file, if I float the .panel class, it forces

Re: [css-d] Which browsers do you support?

2005-09-22 Thread Michael Wilson
I support: * Internet Explorer 5.0+ * Firefox * Mozilla * Safari * Netscape 6.0+ * Opera 7+ (6+ if I can) For older and other browsers, I just try to make sure the site is usable and I don't concern myself much with the look and feel of things. -- Best regards, Michael Wilson

[ADMIN - OFF TOPIC - PLEASE READ] Re: [css-d] Which browsers do you support?

2005-09-22 Thread Alex Robinson
This question has probably been asked before, but it's still interesting if people's opinions change over time. [ this post was inspired by the CSS Theory Practice thread ;) ] OK, mea culpa. I thought I'd go easy and not get all stroppy about all the off-topicness on [css-d] today, but

Re: [css-d] Which browsers do you support?

2005-09-22 Thread Mark Mckee
I have to say I support:- *firefox windows and linux *mozilla windows and linux *opera windows and linux *Safari *Netscape if possible I definately no longer support:- *IE in all its forms --- i am sick and tired of having to change my designs to suit IE, tired of having to hack my code so it

Re: [css-d] Site Check Please - Voices of CSM

2005-09-22 Thread Juanita
David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Thursday, September 22, 2005 at 9:17 AM -0800 wrote: Felix Miata wrote: Juanita wrote: She's looking and working much, much better now, Juanita. Felix MiataIt's wonderful to see my text size preference there. :-) The problem is, your 699px wide #wrapper

Re: [css-d] hr and background image without border in IE

2005-09-22 Thread David Laakso
Martin Petrov wrote: I guess my question's been asked many times. I'm wondering if anybody knows how to remove the border that Internet Explorer shows when using a background image with the hr element. Martin, FWIW, I do not remember where I got this stuff. And have no idea if all this

Re: [css-d] Site check: simple stuff

2005-09-22 Thread Tom Livingston
On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:09:34 -0400, Guy K. Haas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could someone out there on a Mac let me know whether http://covinahigh68.com/testing.htm looks OK? Stretchable banner at top fades from white to red, with a red colt in the left end, a title in silver, and a

Re: [css-d] Re: Float in IE Mac expands design

2005-09-22 Thread Yazmin Media
On 9/22/05, Ben Curtis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's difficult to tell what's going on, since you have many items on the page (images?) behind some password protection, and a large number of javascript errors stemming from DOCTYPE tags in your JS files. In addition, the XHTML does not

[css-d] Re: Negative Margin FireFox Mac Issue

2005-09-22 Thread Yazmin Media
Well, this has turned out to still be an issue (on another site), so if anyone had any suggestions they would be appreciated! Thanks! On 9/21/05, Yazmin Media [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been playing with the following file: http://yazminmedia.com/playground/tabs.htm The problem I've

[css-d] Getting back into css...

2005-09-22 Thread BEAUCHAMP, MICHAEL J.
Hi, I have a decent level of understanding of how style sheets work, but I would like to get to the point where I can design something along the lines of css zen garden. By that I mean that I would like to have a deep enough understanding of both xhtml and css so that I could design a web page

Re: [css-d] Which browsers do you support?

2005-09-22 Thread Alan Stevens
Mark Mckee wrote: I have to say I support:- *firefox windows and linux *mozilla windows and linux *opera windows and linux *Safari *Netscape if possible I definately no longer support:- *IE in all its forms --- i am sick and tired of having to change my designs to suit IE, tired of having to

RE: [css-d] Getting back into css...

2005-09-22 Thread Ian Skinner
Not to be too snarky, but how about the Zen Garden book. the Zen of CSS design by Dave Shea and Molly Holzschlag published by New Riders. I have my copy, but have yet had the chance to read it, so I can only comment that it exists and had decent review on Amazon. -- Ian Skinner

Re: [css-d] ADMIN: Which browsers do you support?

2005-09-22 Thread Eric A. Meyer
Hello, Maybe Alex wasn't quite clear enough earlier. Allow me to reiterate what he said, only with fewer words and all in capitals: THIS THREAD IS OVER. Thank you. (Why? See the Holy Wars section of http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=PostingGuidelines -- something to which

RE: [css-d] Getting back into css...

2005-09-22 Thread BEAUCHAMP, MICHAEL J.
I don't know what snarky means, but thanks for the tip. :) Michael Beauchamp IT Developer 1 Amica Mutual Insurance Company 25 Amica Way Lincoln, RI 02865-1155 1-800-992-6422 ext. 23224 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday,

Re: [css-d] Getting back into css...

2005-09-22 Thread Alan Stevens
BEAUCHAMP, MICHAEL J. wrote: Hi, I have a decent level of understanding of how style sheets work, but I would like to get to the point where I can design something along the lines of css zen garden. By that I mean that I would like to have a deep enough understanding of both xhtml and css

Re: [css-d] Re: Negative Margin FireFox Mac Issue

2005-09-22 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater
Yazmin Media wrote: Well, this has turned out to still be an issue (on another site), so if anyone had any suggestions they would be appreciated! Thanks! On 9/21/05, Yazmin Media [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been playing with the following file:

Re: [css-d] Getting back into css...

2005-09-22 Thread Christian Heilmann
I have a decent level of understanding of how style sheets work, but I would like to get to the point where I can design something along the lines of css zen garden. By that I mean that I would like to have a deep enough understanding of both xhtml and css so that I could design a web page

[css-d] Re: Forms

2005-09-22 Thread Alan Gutierrez
* Alan Gutierrez [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-09-22 16:36]: A newbie question on styling forms. In the olden days, I would have put them in a table, labels on the left, elements on the right. These days I want to do it the CSS way. A structure question... What

RE: [css-d] Forms

2005-09-22 Thread Rowan @ Jetboy
No list tags; they'd be used for styling lists. ;) Try fieldset, which can be nested; legend, but use a span inside it and style that instead; and label. I get better styling mileage using label for ... before or after the form control than wrapping it around the control. Floats are definitely

Re: [css-d] Re: Negative Margin FireFox Mac Issue

2005-09-22 Thread Yazmin Media
On 9/22/05, Zoe M. Gillenwater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yazmin, It's probably a rounding error. Can you send the URL of the page that has a similar problem? Zoe Sure. Here it is: http://yazminmedia.com/playground/tabs.htm Thanks! -- Yazmin Wickham Contractor - Internet Development

Re: [css-d] Forms

2005-09-22 Thread Christian Heilmann
No list tags; they'd be used for styling lists. ;) Try fieldset, which can be nested; legend, but use a span inside it and style that instead; and label. I get better styling mileage using label for ... before or after the form control than wrapping it around the control. Floats are

[css-d] lists with p in Safari

2005-09-22 Thread Steve Lockwood
Most of my html lists need to have a blank line between line items. DreamWeaver (v6 through 8) shows the html as lip.../p/li, and BBEdit's syntax checker (v6 through 8) passes this as correct for html 4.01 Transitional and xhtml 1.0 Transitional. In fact this code works in all browsers I've

Re: [css-d] lists with p in Safari

2005-09-22 Thread Christian Heilmann
Most of my html lists need to have a blank line between line items. DreamWeaver (v6 through 8) shows the html as lip.../p/li, and BBEdit's syntax checker (v6 through 8) passes this as correct for html 4.01 Transitional and xhtml 1.0 Transitional. In fact this code works in all browsers

Re: [css-d] lists with p in Safari

2005-09-22 Thread Paul Novitski
At 03:03 PM 9/22/2005, Steve Lockwood wrote: Most of my html lists need to have a blank line between line items. DreamWeaver (v6 through 8) shows the html as lip.../p/li, and BBEdit's syntax checker (v6 through 8) passes this as correct for html 4.01 Transitional and xhtml 1.0 Transitional. In

RE: [css-d] Forms

2005-09-22 Thread Rowan @ Jetboy
snip - Title attributes are a tricky thing, and definitely NOT a valid accessibility fallback. Titles explain more than meets the eye (or the ear) on the first encounter - but not all users have title reading enabled or have the patience/aptitude to see the rendered tooltip a title attribute

[css-d] Why don't my images appear on site?

2005-09-22 Thread Nancy Smith
I am doing my first CSS site and it is a killer. First, it doesn't look right in Foxfire or Monzilla, but only IE on the PC and Mac. Very frustrating. Second, none of my jpegs show up on the site. http://www.wminc.biz Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Re: [css-d] Why don't my images appear on site?

2005-09-22 Thread Rimantas Liubertas
2005/9/23, Nancy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I am doing my first CSS site and it is a killer. First, it doesn't look right in Foxfire or Monzilla, Hi, some interesting browsers you have got ;) but only IE on the PC and Mac. Very frustrating. Second, none of my jpegs show up on the site. As

RE: [css-d] Why don't my images appear on site?

2005-09-22 Thread Peter Williams
From: Nancy Smith Second, none of my jpegs show up on the site. http://www.wminc.biz Nancy, img src=images/faucet.jpg When I looked in http://www.wminc.biz/images/ I saw no such image. Looks to me like you forgot to upload them. -- Peter Williams

Re: [css-d] Re: Float in IE Mac expands design

2005-09-22 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
I have the following files: http://yazminmedia.com/playground/test.htm http://yazminmedia.com/playground/description.css http://yazminmedia.com/playground/metal2.css In the description.css file, if I float the .panel class, it forces IE/Mac users to have to scroll horizontally to view the

Re: [css-d] Why don't my images appear on site?

2005-09-22 Thread Keith Sader
Could you post a pice of the problematic CSS for the list? thanks On 9/22/05, Nancy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am doing my first CSS site and it is a killer. First, it doesn't look right in Foxfire or Monzilla, but only IE on the PC and Mac. Very frustrating. Second, none of my jpegs

Re: [css-d] Why don't my images appear on site?

2005-09-22 Thread Steve Clason
On 9/22/2005 7:26 PM Nancy Smith wrote: I am doing my first CSS site and it is a killer. First, it doesn't look right in Foxfire or Monzilla, but only IE on the PC and Mac. Very frustrating. Second, none of my jpegs show up on the site. http://www.wminc.biz Hi Nancy, This isn't a CSS

Re: [css-d] Why don't my images appear on site?

2005-09-22 Thread James Wanless
Clean up your stylesheet for formatting and validation. Not that I 'tested' it, but HTML at the very top of the file is probably preventing Mozilla based browsers from interpretting it. As a bit of another tip, you can optimize the size of your stylesheet by putting all the padding attributes,

Re: [css-d] Forms

2005-09-22 Thread Rob Cochrane
Alan Gutierrez wrote: A newbie question on styling forms. A structure question... What elements do I use to markup structure? DL/DT/DD? UL/LI? For me label is a pretty logical way of marking up forms along with fieldset all are designed to work in a form. IE has some

Re: [css-d] Why don't my images appear on site?

2005-09-22 Thread David Laakso
Nancy Smith wrote: I am doing my first CSS site and it is a killer. First, it doesn't look right in Foxfire or Monzilla, but only IE on the PC and Mac. Code for FF. Hack IE. Very frustrating. Second, none of my jpegs show up on the site. Images that do not appear in FF seldom have to