[css-d] Problems with site template

2007-09-14 Thread grovesdavid
Hello,

I have a few problems is completing site template:

http://www.linkhomes2000.co.uk/mortgage-repayment.php

1) I can't make min-width work in I.E. 6, probably not in any others either 
({can't check others} Works reasonably well in FF).

2) Need to make my menu more accessibility friendly, but not sure how to go 
about this. (not sure if this should be on this forum)

Kind Regards

DG)



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Re: [css-d] Problems with site template

2007-09-14 Thread Rick Lecoat
On 14/9/07 (12:28) [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

I can't make min-width work in I.E. 6, probably not in any others either 
({can't check others} Works reasonably well in FF).

DG;

IE5/6 doesn't understand min-width. However, it treats width the same
way as min-width, I believe, so you can add in an IE5/6-only width rule
and that should do the trick.

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[css-d] Easy way to replace table layout with css-layout?

2007-09-14 Thread Magnus Fahlström
Hi everybody.
I'm trying to find an easy way to replace a table layout with a css-layout.
There will be about 100 pages with a different number of rows on each 
page. These pages will be attached to a Dreamweaver template with 
navigation, logo and so on.
In a table layout I can add/remove a row in seconds. Is there a way to 
do this in a css layout?

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Re: [css-d] Problems with site template

2007-09-14 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Rick Lecoat wrote:
 On 14/9/07 (12:28) [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
 
 I can't make min-width work in I.E. 6, probably not in any others either 
 ({can't check others} Works reasonably well in FF).
 
 DG;
 
 IE5/6 doesn't understand min-width. However, it treats width the same
 way as min-width, I believe, so you can add in an IE5/6-only width rule
 and that should do the trick.

IE6 does *not* treat 'width' as proper 'min-width', so a CSS based 
workaround is a bit more complicated...

http://www.brunildo.org/test/min-widthS.html

...or an expression can be used...

http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/wd_additions_14.html

regards
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Re: [css-d] Problems with site template

2007-09-14 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh

On Sep 14, 2007, at 9:32 PM, Rick Lecoat wrote:

 I can't make min-width work in I.E. 6, probably not in any others  
 either
 ({can't check others} Works reasonably well in FF).

 DG;

 IE5/6 doesn't understand min-width. However, it treats width the same
 way as min-width, I believe, so you can add in an IE5/6-only width  
 rule
 and that should do the trick.

IE5/6 certainly _don't_ treat width as min-width. That meme should be  
put to rest once and for all.
In certain situations IE 5/6 will expand a container beyond the  
specified width (when faced with content that is larger than that  
width), but that doesn't make it (width) equal to min-width.


Philippe
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[css-d] Site check please

2007-09-14 Thread Cory Shubert
Hi all,  I am throwing our new design out there for critique and
suggestions.
 
http://www.nwaworldvacations.com
BLOCKED::http://www.nwaworldvacations.com 
 
We tried to do a better job of CSS and moved into a more Web 2.0 vibe,
at least that is what we were trying for.  I am sure many will lament
our use of tables still, but some habits die hard.  I am curious to
learn how we might have done a better job with our CSS, i.e. better use
of IDs or Classes, less nested, more nested...
 
We did add some Ajax/JavaScript functionality that we didn't have in our
previous designs, and are noticing slow page loads and would love to
learn or hear of how others handle this better.  The Las Vegas
destination page is a particularly slow one due to the backend loading
of all the hotels... then do a price find and it can take up to 22
seconds to return all the prices for each of them.  This is something we
are working on to fix/solve/adjust.
 
Our team is small and we based much of our work on the few classes or
seminars we have been able to attend as well as on Andy Budd's CSS
Mastery.
 
I am posting here to help us continue on that learning curve.
 
Thank you all and I look forward to the suggestions and comments.
 
Cheers,
 
Cory
MLT, Inc.
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[css-d] IE7 breaks nav and site check

2007-09-14 Thread Brian Funk
Good day all,

html at: http://www.lionbearkennels.com/
css at: http://www.lionbearkennels.com/lbk_style.css

Zoom up or down in IE7 and watch the main navigation. 

Otherwise, since I'm nearly done with it, whoever wouldn't mind having a look, 
please do.

All criticisms and comments most certainly welcome and appreciated.

Credit and thanks to Francky and Georg for their help more than a year ago.[1]
Credit and thanks to Alex for the pedigree list.


[1]I am slow.. but not *that* slow. I had to put it down for a while. :-)

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[css-d] Help me about IE opacity for texts

2007-09-14 Thread Ethan
Hi,

I really want to know that if I can set some sentences transparent in an
article using IE filter opacity.

For example, aa link/a or spansentence/span.

I can do this using opacity in FireFox very easily. But this is not the case
for IE. I know I need to give a position to the block elements for filter
like float:left. But this will destroy the structure of the article. And
some of the words in those sentences will be difference sizes so I can't
just set the width for the elements.

Is there any method to use IE filter without positioning? Just like
FireFox does. I've been searching for the solutions for couple of days but
still no clues.
Can somebody help me? Or maybe this is one of the unsolvable problems of IE
family.

I'm using IE6.

Best Regards,

Ethan
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Re: [css-d] Easy way to replace table layout with css-layout?

2007-09-14 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Magnus Fahlström wrote:
 Hi everybody.
 I'm trying to find an easy way to replace a table layout with a css-layout.
 There will be about 100 pages with a different number of rows on each 
 page. These pages will be attached to a Dreamweaver template with 
 navigation, logo and so on.

Need more information.
Is it tables for layout you want to replace, or tables for what's 
considered to be tabular data? We rarely want to replace the latter.

 In a table layout I can add/remove a row in seconds. Is there a way to 
 do this in a css layout?

We don't use rows as such in CSS based layouts, but rather paragraphs 
and some form of section-grouping. Adding or removing paragraphs or 
sections is as easy as the authoring tool allows for.

regards
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Re: [css-d] switching text size

2007-09-14 Thread David Dorward
On 14/09/2007, Peggy Coats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yes, we know that, but unfortunately a lot of people don't --
 especially elderly folks who have vision issues and aren't as
 technology savvy ;-)

Perhaps some nice simple illustrated instructions for changing the
preference in a number of browsers (with the user-agent string being
used to pick a default set) would be more helpful then a custom
interface that only works on one specific site?

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Re: [css-d] Problems with site template

2007-09-14 Thread Rick Lecoat
On 14/9/07 (13:37) Gunlaug said:

IE6 does *not* treat 'width' as proper 'min-width', so a CSS based 
workaround is a bit more complicated...

Apologies to DG, then, for faulty info.
I'm certain that I read that somewhere, but clearly either I mis-read
it, mis-understood it, or the information I read was just plain wrong.

Thanks to Georg and Philippe for the heads up.

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Re: [css-d] switching text size

2007-09-14 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
David Dorward wrote:
 On 14/09/2007, Peggy Coats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yes, we know that, but unfortunately a lot of people don't --
 especially elderly folks who have vision issues and aren't as
 technology savvy ;-)
 
 Perhaps some nice simple illustrated instructions for changing the
 preference in a number of browsers (with the user-agent string being
 used to pick a default set) would be more helpful then a custom
 interface that only works on one specific site?

Or guide the visitor over to...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/accessibility/win/seeing/text/browser/sub_3.shtml
...where even the most non technology savvy end-user can get help to 
master their own browser a bit better.

regards
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Re: [css-d] font :wqx-height

2007-09-14 Thread Ray Leventhal
david wrote:
snip

 While in a perfect world I'd agree with David, it's not so much the
 'tender egos of folk involved in designing the site' it's usually,
 imnsho, the un- or refused-to-be-educated folk who actually pay for the
 site to look/feel a certain way.

 0.02 delivered :)
 
 Part of this business is education. It may take awhile. Reinforced with
 factual information demonstrating how customers unhappy with their
 mousetype are happily shopping at their competition's websites sometimes
 helps. ;-)
 
david:

Without at doubt, educating clients is truly the hardest part of my job.
  But nonetheless the one I do most often.  Sometimes they're agreeable
and open to suggestions for reasons of browser compatibility or
accessibility.  Other times they're um...less reasonable :)

Either way, I agree that getting people to 'see right' is the key...and
that often means defending the 'reasons that separation of content and
layout is a good idea'.  Thankfully, I am a true believer in that, now
(amazing since a year ago I'd have fought diligently for my ol'
tables!).  I generally preach standards adherence, but since reading
some really good things from this list about serving XHTML as XML, I've
worked towards getting clients to understand a bit more of the how and
why rather than the this is just good practice.

Regards,
~R

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Re: [css-d] Site check please

2007-09-14 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Cory Shubert wrote:

 http://www.nwaworldvacations.com

 We tried to do a better job of CSS and moved into a more Web 2.0 
 vibe, at least that is what we were trying for.  I am sure many will 
 lament our use of tables still, but some habits die hard.  I am 
 curious to learn how we might have done a better job with our CSS, 
 i.e. better use of IDs or Classes, less nested, more nested...

Those pages don't work well with resized fonts in any browser, and
absolute font-sizes don't make it better since one has to 'ignore font
size in page' in IE/win in order to resize.

The table layout don't work too well if one wants a printout either, so
different styles for different media - and a lot of testing, seems
necessary.

Pages have quite a large file-size when one looks at the amount of
content it carries, and attempts to slim down the source code should be
made.

The use of paragraphs with non-breaking spaces as layout-spacers
equals the use of old spacer-gifs, and should be avoided. Use margins
and/or paddings instead.

The verisign at the bottom doesn't seem to work as intended outside
IE/win.

The use of inline styles should be discontinued once you've added a
stylesheet, as inline styles tend to make debugging and general
maintenance harder and more time-consuming. If page-specific styles are
needed, it is usually better to group those in a style-element in the
page-head.


The usability of such a site may be evaluated to a high degree by
running it through a text-only browser like Lynx...

http://www.delorie.com/web/lynxview.html
http://lynx.isc.org/

That's the basic level a well-built site should be able to work at no
matter what, so testing your site in Lynx will give you a good sense of
what works and what doesn't.


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Georg
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[css-d] Making legends behave like normal boxes

2007-09-14 Thread Barney Carroll
Hi all!

I'm building a site strongly based on established style guides, in which 
all header elements have dotted bottom-borders that stretch (as you 
would expect) accross the available vertical space.

And I want legends to act like headers. But after applying a very solid 
reset (Eric's – trying this out for the first time) and applying 
display:block, legends still can't completely escape their very weird 
and specific niched-into-that-small-space-in-the-top-right.

A huge right padding and overflow:hidden on the forms is almost good 
enough, but this eats into the right padding of the form (which is ugly) 
and causes Safari to create returns wherever possible in the legend's 
white-space in order to respect as much of the padding as possible. I 
thought I'd have a look at what mysterious in-house css Mozilla was 
applying to legends to differentiate them from other block elements, but 
to my surprise, there's nothing there. According to the DOM inspector's 
CSS concatenator it's just a normal element.

Any wisdom out there?


Regards,
Barney
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Re: [css-d] Problems with site template

2007-09-14 Thread Elli Vizcaino

--- Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 IE6 does *not* treat 'width' as proper 'min-width',
 so a CSS based 
 workaround is a bit more complicated...
 
 http://www.brunildo.org/test/min-widthS.html
 
 ...or an expression can be used...
 

http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/wd_additions_14.html
 
 regards
   Georg
 -- 
 http://www.gunlaug.no


Since this is the case, then I must be using
unnecessary code in a website I'm working on. I have
my site set up as divs that are laid out like rows as
opposed to columns. Each div being a wrapper for the
content contained within. I wrapped the floated
content within these divs in another div called
container, which I set to a specific width while the
wrapper divs are set to 100%. I also gave each of the
wrapper divs and the container div a min-width of the
specific width I wanted: 1006px to keep it from
stretching because I wanted the flowers (graphic) that
are floating right of the content to stop at that
location in the browser window. The page is working
across all the browsers I test for including IE 6 but
I guess for reasons other than the min-width specified
in the CSS? Can someone explain why it's working and
basically if I just need to scrap the min-width
properties I have in the CSS as it seems to me based
on this discussion that it's unnecessary? My guess is
that the reason it's working is because the container
I have my content in is set to a specified width?

Here are the links: 

http://e7flux.com/index3.html
http://e7flux.com/css/e7flux.css

TIA,
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Re: [css-d] Help me about IE opacity for texts

2007-09-14 Thread David Hucklesby
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:42:53 +0800, Ethan wrote:
 Hi,

 I really want to know that if I can set some sentences transparent in an 
 article using
 IE filter opacity.

 For example, aa link/a or spansentence/span.

 I can do this using opacity in FireFox very easily. But this is not the case 
 for IE. I
 know I need to give a position to the block elements for filter like 
 float:left. [...]

Odd. I did an experiment with experiment that seems to work in IE6.
I *did* use positioning, but not for the element with opacity. In order
to layer some text over the semi-opaque element I used relative
positioning to prevent the opacity setting affecting the text itself.
The element carrying opacity is positioned statically.

All CSS in the HEAD section:

 http://webwiz.robinshosting.com/temp/opacity/

Cordially,
David
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Re: [css-d] Problems with site template

2007-09-14 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Elli Vizcaino wrote:

 http://e7flux.com/index3.html

 http://e7flux.com/css/e7flux.css

 Can someone explain why it's working and basically if I just need to 
 scrap the min-width properties I have in the CSS as it seems to me 
 based on this discussion that it's unnecessary? My guess is that the 
 reason it's working is because the container I have my content in is 
 set to a specified width?

Exactly. Declaring a width _there_ using an absolute-sized unit - px,
turns it into a fixed-width layout.

Once you declare a fixed 'width' on a container, elements inside it will
have a fixed width - fixed relatively to that container-width or on
their own. Declaring 'min-width' anywhere doesn't have any effect in any
browser in such a scenario, since the width itself doesn't change no
matter what.

A 'min-width' on an element will override 'width' only if 'width' is
smaller than 'min-width' for that element. That happens only if the
'width' is flexible - one way or another, or a too small 'width' is
declared.

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Re: [css-d] Problems with site template

2007-09-14 Thread Elli Vizcaino

--- Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Elli Vizcaino wrote:
 
  http://e7flux.com/index3.html
 
  http://e7flux.com/css/e7flux.css
 
  Can someone explain why it's working and basically
 if I just need to 
  scrap the min-width properties I have in the CSS
 as it seems to me 
  based on this discussion that it's unnecessary? My
 guess is that the 
  reason it's working is because the container I
 have my content in is 
  set to a specified width?
 
 Exactly. Declaring a width _there_ using an
 absolute-sized unit - px,
 turns it into a fixed-width layout.
 
 Once you declare a fixed 'width' on a container,
 elements inside it will
 have a fixed width - fixed relatively to that
 container-width or on
 their own. Declaring 'min-width' anywhere doesn't
 have any effect in any
 browser in such a scenario, since the width itself
 doesn't change no
 matter what.
 
 A 'min-width' on an element will override 'width'
 only if 'width' is
 smaller than 'min-width' for that element. That
 happens only if the
 'width' is flexible - one way or another, or a too
 small 'width' is
 declared.
 
 regards
   Georg
 -- 
 http://www.gunlaug.no
 

Thanks for the clarification! 

Elli 



   

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Re: [css-d] Making legends behave like normal boxes

2007-09-14 Thread Rafael
A link is really useful in these cases. If you can, strip down your 
HTML  CSS to simply things.

Barney Carroll wrote:
 Hi all!

 I'm building a site strongly based on established style guides, in which 
 all header elements have dotted bottom-borders that stretch (as you 
 would expect) accross the available vertical space.

 And I want legends to act like headers. But after applying a very solid 
 reset (Eric's – trying this out for the first time) and applying 
 display:block, legends still can't completely escape their very weird 
 and specific niched-into-that-small-space-in-the-top-right.

 A huge right padding and overflow:hidden on the forms is almost good 
 enough, but this eats into the right padding of the form (which is ugly) 
 and causes Safari to create returns wherever possible in the legend's 
 white-space in order to respect as much of the padding as possible. I 
 thought I'd have a look at what mysterious in-house css Mozilla was 
 applying to legends to differentiate them from other block elements, but 
 to my surprise, there's nothing there. According to the DOM inspector's 
 CSS concatenator it's just a normal element.

 Any wisdom out there?


 Regards,
 Barney
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[css-d] IE 6 menu problem

2007-09-14 Thread JGardner
Hello,

I am working on a drop down navigation - it looks/works correctly in IE7 and 
Firefox, but not IE 6.  I would appreciate any guidance to fixing this.  You 
can see the page here - http://www.jgardnerdesigns.com/web-design-services.htm

Thanks,
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Re: [css-d] IE 6 menu problem

2007-09-14 Thread Ingo Chao
JGardner wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I am working on a drop down navigation - it looks/works correctly in
 IE7 and Firefox, but not IE 6.  I would appreciate any guidance to
 fixing this.  You can see the page here -
 http://www.jgardnerdesigns.com/web-design-services.htm
 
 Thanks, Jennifer
 

you have

!--[if lt IE 7]
style type=text/css media=screen
...
body{behavior:url(css/csshover.htc); font-size:110%;}
...
/style
![endif]--

but no

http://www.jgardnerdesigns.com/css/csshover.htc


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Re: [css-d] IE7 breaks nav and site check

2007-09-14 Thread Bruno Fassino
Brian Funk wrote:

 html at: http://www.lionbearkennels.com/
 css at: http://www.lionbearkennels.com/lbk_style.css

 Zoom up or down in IE7 and watch the main navigation.


In IE7, inline elements with padding, background, border (like your 'li' and
'a') have problems when 'zoomed' [1].
Try applying hasLayout to your inline 'li' (and or to the 'a'), for example
with:
  #navwrap ul li, #navwrap2 ul li { zoom: 1 }

I hope this helps a little,

Bruno

[1] http://www.brunildo.org//test/ie7_badzoom.html
[2] http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/onhavinglayout.html

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Re: [css-d] Site check please

2007-09-14 Thread David Laakso
Cory Shubert wrote:
 Hi all,  I am throwing our new design out there for critique and
 suggestions.
  
 http://www.nwaworldvacations.com
 BLOCKED::http://www.nwaworldvacations.com 
  
 We tried to do a better job of CSS and moved into a more Web 2.0 vibe, 
 ...{trimmed}

 I am posting here to help us continue on that learning curve.

  
 Cory

   


Cory,

If you mean what you wrote about transitioning to CSS then you may want 
to /continue to employ tables for the tabular data/. But as of now, it 
seems to me, you're running a predominately table oriented site with a 
doctype.
The way some of us handle Ajax/JavaScript functionality is to use same 
with the qualifier the page will work, as well (if not better), without 
either or both. Your slow page loads may be more part and parcel of the 
Web 2,.0 vibe than
a practical CSS issue. Fast load from the CSS perspective, in my 
opinion, has more to do with lean, mean coding practice. Eliminating 
inline styles and other table like practices, calling js from an 
external file, and reducing white space in the source document /may/ 
help speed things up to a lessor extent.

Testing at +1 and +2 font-scaling in compliant browsers is a good idea; 
and, providing text for IE users without the need for them to jump 
through hoops to scale it is always advantageous.

Best,

~dL





















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Re: [css-d] Help me about IE opacity for texts

2007-09-14 Thread Bruno Fassino
Ethan wrote:

 I really want to know that if I can set some sentences
 transparent in an article using IE filter opacity.

 For example, aa link/a or spansentence/span.

 I can do this using opacity in FireFox very easily. But this
 is not the case for IE. I know I need to give a position
 to the block elements for filter like float:left. But this
 will destroy the structure of the article.


In order for IE filters to work the element they are applied to must have
hasLayout [1].
Try to find an hasLayout trigger with no (or acceptable) side effects for
your case:
You mentioned that you cannot use float or assign a width, then try  zoom:1

Hth,
Bruno

[2] http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/onhavinglayout.html#filter


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[css-d] Any tips on image loading?

2007-09-14 Thread Allison Kelly
Hi all,

You all have been great so far with helping me out on my first CSS site,
whether I emailed or checked the archives, I found everything I needed, so
thanks!

I finally have finished the homepage, but I noticed that my images are
loading slowly.

What am I missing here?

www.skeetrbeatronline.com http:www.skeatrbeatronline.com

Help is much appreciated, and happy Friday!

Allison
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Re: [css-d] Problems with site template

2007-09-14 Thread David Laakso
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello,

 I have a few problems is completing site template:

 http://www.linkhomes2000.co.uk/mortgage-repayment.php

 1) I can't make min-width work in I.E. 6, probably not in any others either 
 ({can't check others} Works reasonably well in FF).

 2) Need to make my menu more accessibility friendly, but not sure how to go 
 about this. (not sure if this should be on this forum)

 Kind Regards

 DG)



   


With regard to the menu: that is complicated and difficult menu to 
pull-off cross-browser. You may be better off with unobtrusive 
javascript. Or a site map.

If your definition of accessibility includes readability of the content 
text for those fortunate enough to be sighted, or partially sighted, 
these additions and deletions may be the first step toward that:

body {
font-size:100%;
font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
color:#00;
background-color: #fff.
/*
letter-spacing:0.0125em;
word-spacing:0.0225em;
line-height:1.25em;
font-weight:bold;
text-decoration:none;*/
}

#content p, #leftbar p {
/*font-size:100%;
font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
color:#324040;
text-decoration:none;
line-height:1em;
font-variant:small-caps;*/
margin:0;
padding:0;
}


Best,

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Re: [css-d] IE 6 menu problem - 1/2 solved

2007-09-14 Thread JGardner
With great embarrassment, I thank you - I forgot to upload it. That part works 
now.



The menu is still not positioned correctly and the hover background color is 
not working on the drop down.  Any ideas anyone?



Thanks,

Jennifer


- Original Message 
From: Ingo Chao [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: JGardner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: CSS List css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 2:13:40 PM
Subject: Re: [css-d] IE 6 menu problem

JGardner wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I am working on a drop down navigation - it looks/works correctly in
 IE7 and Firefox, but not IE 6.  I would appreciate any guidance to
 fixing this.  You can see the page here -
 http://www.jgardnerdesigns.com/web-design-services.htm
 
 Thanks, Jennifer
 

you have

!--[if lt IE 7]
style type=text/css media=screen
...
body{behavior:url(css/csshover.htc); font-size:110%;}
...
/style
![endif]--

but no

http://www.jgardnerdesigns.com/css/csshover.htc


Ingo

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that gives answers, not web links. 
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Re: [css-d] Site check please

2007-09-14 Thread Walt F. Schaefer
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cory Shubert
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 5:44 AM
To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
Subject: [css-d] Site check please

Hi all,  I am throwing our new design out there for critique and
suggestions.
 
http://www.nwaworldvacations.com
BLOCKED::http://www.nwaworldvacations.com 
 
We tried to do a better job of CSS and moved into a more Web 2.0 vibe, at
least that is what we were trying for.  I am sure many will lament our use
of tables still, but some habits die hard.  I am curious to learn how we
might have done a better job with our CSS, i.e. better use of IDs or
Classes, less nested, more nested...
 
We did add some Ajax/JavaScript functionality that we didn't have in our
previous designs, and are noticing slow page loads and would love to learn
or hear of how others handle this better.  The Las Vegas destination page is
a particularly slow one due to the backend loading of all the hotels... then
do a price find and it can take up to 22 seconds to return all the prices
for each of them.  This is something we are working on to fix/solve/adjust.
 
Our team is small and we based much of our work on the few classes or
seminars we have been able to attend as well as on Andy Budd's CSS
Mastery.
 
###

Start here:
http://www.websiteoptimization.com/services/analyze/wso.php?url=http://www.n
waworldvacations.com/

A good target size for a page is about 70k.

Walt 


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[css-d] bg image pops up in IE7

2007-09-14 Thread =fatgraffix=
hmm anybody know why this happens on IE 7?

- http://www.fatgraffix.com/clients/fatgraffix/fgx_v2a_dev10/logos_01.html

other pages on this site w/ bgs seem to work fine.

thx all for any assistance...

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Re: [css-d] Any tips on image loading?

2007-09-14 Thread Kenny Graham
 I finally have finished the homepage, but I noticed that my images are
 loading slowly.

 What am I missing here?

Loads in less than a second here.  But the two header images are
pretty big.  One way to optimize it would be to make the green grid a
small repeating image in your #header span rule, and then put the
header's text as a smaller transparent image of only the text.
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