Hi David,
I just did a test copying and pasting your code verbatim into a doc. Worked
okay.
Can you post a link? There might be something else going on that's causing
it to crash-and-burn.
...Rob
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Tim,
Here is a sample that uses JavaScript to fix the background DIV in Firefox,
while leaving the background as is on IE6. It probably needs tweaking for
IE7 and it *definitely* needs to be tested on Mac browsers.
http://rob.emenecker.com/training/css/css-discuss/kelty-test.html
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???
Thanks,
Rob
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Hi all (again),
Okay, David and Jim provided some great info on table-less navbars. (David,
you really do above and beyond with the visuals! Don't stop!)
Now here's my next *newb* question... If I have a horizontal nav bar
comprised of LI elements, where the lines of text varies from one LI to
Thanks again David!
...Rob
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You may want to expand the font-family declaration to catch variations of
the name as well as the generic...
font-family: Comic Sans MS, Comic Sans, fantasy;
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Your closing /style tag is misplaced. Put it before the first conditional
MSIE statement.
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Ditto here. I don't see any visual presentation problems related to the
Flash SWF in Firefox 2.0.0.11 or IE 6 on Win XP Pro SP2. The float:right
appears to work as expected.
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PC), or in other browsers (using BrowserCam.com).
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Hi David,
I went back in and cleaned up the CSS, XHTML, and PHP, so that the page
passed both the XHTML and CSS validators at W3C. That did not fix the IE7
issue, but it ensured me that I was working on a clean slate.
The problem was IE7, and not so much IE6. Firefox (and other Mozilla)
From what I can see it appears to be the 6em width in your #nav li
selector...
#nav li {styles.css (line 119)
float:left;
padding:0.25em;
width:6em;
}
Change that width value to auto, or remove it entirely, and you may get the
results you want!
...Rob
So you're client is maximizing (or manually sizing) their browser window to
span multiple monitors.
First, your site is not the ONLY one that they are going to have this
complaint about.
Second, if the client is doing this, then they are already used to the
visual break from left-to-right on
Anyway, when you maximize IE on a Windows setup with dual monitors, it
only fills one screen, so I think they had to manually size and position
their browser to go across both screens.
I concur. I run dual 20 monitors at 1600x1200 for Windows XP Pro (SP2) and
Mac OS X. On Windows the
Hi all,
Can anyone point me to good sources of info and simply examples for uses of
the vertical-align property other than TD elements?
I've looked at the CCS 2.1 spec at
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/visudet.html#propdef-vertical-align, but don't
quite understand what is considered a
(or even falling back on top/bottom
paddings to achieve a similar result).
...Rob
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Hi all,
I have a web site that I'm working on where I'm getting a few niggling
inconsistencies between FF2
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There are no points-of-contact on ANY of pages linked to in the footers
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That's odd, I thought it used to be on the page referenced at the
Jennifer,
You may want to check out:
http://www.campaignmonitor.com/blog/archives/2007/04/a_guide_to_css_support_
in_emai_2.html
There is a handy charge you can download there, as well as good info as to
what CSS is/is not supported in mail clients.
As far as Dreamweaver, it is only a tool, it
Hi Alex and Dean,
Let me clarify. Several weeks back this was not happening. I don't post
frequently, however when I posted this week there was a significant lag.
Approximately 36 hours. That seemed like an unnecessarily long time for a
message because (a) I've posted in the past and posts showed
So, I guess I'll know where everything stands once I hit the SEND
button on this reply and see WHEN it shows up on the list.
Okie dokie. 3 minutes from send to receiving a copy back. This kid will
sleep tonight knowing that the world is once again a happy place!
Consider this thread done and
to
the viewport.
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(and JavaScript and server-side) coding
done by hand is typically much cleaner, leaner, and sticks in your braind.
Also, given the response from the prospective employer, would you really
want to work there anyway?
...Rob
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David,
The DOCTYPEs merely are the language specification for (X)HTML, they do
not pertain to rendering specifications. Rendering specifications are a
function of CSS and browsers. Prior to CSS, it was entirely on the browser.
DOCTYPEs define the ELEMENTS, ATTRIBUTES, ENTITIES, CDATA, and
,
Rob
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Thanks Nick and Gunlaug,
That clarifies things. I never use absolute or relative keywords for
font-sizing. I only use measurements, and then try to stick with ems, with a
100% as a base declaration on the HTML element. I just wasn't sure what was
considered keywords. Thanks for the link to the
If you are starting out using a Strict doctype, then there really is no
issue with regards to CSS and rendering. On the other hand, if you are
migrating from Transitional to Strict, and altering pages so that they
validate, watch out for an attribute selectors in your CSS that might be
orphaned.
Yes, I've encountered this before with PHP. You have to get into the source
code and fix it. It's not about what the developer adds. It's about
tweaking the ASP (or PHP or JSP or ColdFusion or PERL) code so that it spits
out valid XHTML.
Your id=sales div has five of them stacked in/around the UL lists. The
first one appears under the text. The remaining four are partially obscured
by the photos in the sales div, and just show partially into the right-hand
column.
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; }
... and then in the print CSS...
div#logotype { display: none; }
div#logotypePrint { display: block;}
Thoughts? Comments? Suggestions?
...Rob
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David,
That is a great suggestion... re: if styles are disabled. Thanks!
...Rob
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Thanks for any suggestions!
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at this point.
Thanks Matt!
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immediate thing I can say is that without any content in them -- unless
they have specified widths and heights -- the DIVs will collapse down to
nothing.
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(and sites) from DW 8 to DW CS3. As I mentioned, this
happened to me once before. However, I have moved several sites from 8 to
CS3, and I have no idea what it was that I did different on the site whose
templates became broken.
...Rob
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I'd like to know your thoughts on including separate stylesheets for
individual pages.
Personally I do prefer what you are suggesting Rick.
I have a few large sites that have subdomains, where the subdomains have
individual differences from the main site's styles, but that must maintain
some
and
right margins set to auto. These are effectively centering your content in
the browser window. IE7's Zoom tool is simply staying true to this and is
horizontally *centering* the page when a user zooms with it.
...Rob
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Hi Davoud,
I don't think it centers by default, it simply responds based on the page
(or containing DIVs) margins. So if my content is centered by setting left
and margin rights to AUTO, then the zoom will center. If the page sits in
the upper-left corner of the viewport, then that it how the
So is there anyway to not display content using CSS based on
not just user-agent, but on the setting of the user-agent?
as a CSS-only solution, NO.
However, this could be achieved using a server-side scripting lanuage (PHP,
etc.) to dynamically write out a user-agent-specific style sheet LINK
Davoud,
Yes, you are correct.
I was simply responding to Ren's question about writing out styles specific
to http user-agents. Granted, there are the IE conditional comments, and the
myriad CSS hacks that allow you to target specific browsers. I don't view
the CSS hacks specifically as
this, it is
much more accurate if you provide ONLY the set of letters that you have
available to identify it with.
...Rob
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Gill Sans
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Hi,
Does anyone know the font name that is used in this picture ?
Rebecca,
Try removing the [float:left;] from your [div.colmask]. My *guess* is that
the float is causing it to overlap. Again, I'm guessing, but removing the
float does not seem to have a detrimental effect.
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No, it is not correct at all. There is no such requirement anywhere.
Being correct does not mean there must exist a requirement, as your
argument implies. If there is no requirement one way or the other, then
having a FONT tag is as correct as not having a FONT tag. There's no
requirement for me
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Rob,
You answered your question in your question. You need to have col and rows
attributes in your textarea element for the page to validate. Modern
browsers will use the width/height you specify in your CSS. Some older
browsers will not, so you will want to make use of the rows and col
elements to set the width
and height of the elements. This way, a newer browser renders them
specifically to the dimensions we want, and it deprecates on older browsers
to using the attribute values specified in the elements.
...Rob
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on multiple browsers
and platforms in a side-to-side comparison with an input type=button /
that is in a bare XHTML page.
...Rob
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recall version). On the lower end
stuff, we just run in through browsershots.org and/or browsercam.com for
legible deprecation (not layout) on these older ones.
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Alex,
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE8
Is this a comprehensive IE8 page? Or, is it meant only for IE8 Beta? Please
clarify these things on that page.
Just to pick a nit... you ought to make any heading reference of IE8 to
clearly state that we're dealing with the IE8 beta. You know
And remember this about logs: If you design a site that
doesn't work in browser X, after awhile, you won't have
anyone using browser X visit your site *because your site
doesn't work.* Then you'll pat yourselves on the back
and say, See - no one uses browser X. ;-)
... says the
I agree with everything your saying David.
I was simply having one of those crap-tacular days and was trying to inject
some witty sarcasm into the thread.
It wasn't meant as a 'poo poo, why do you worry about that old text
browser?' comment. The exact opposite is true, we should worry about it
I'm at validating the css stylesheet and there are two strange
error messages which i can't get rid of.
What are you using to edit your CSS file? The file appears to have
non-printing characters that do not appear to be standard CR, LF, or CR/LF
line endings.
What if you copy/paste your CSS
but harking back to my days of letterpress printing
And you've got the lead burn scars to prove it, right?
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The width of a word space will vary depending upon the font you are working
with. In most cases it falls somewhere between a thin (1/3 em) and an en
(1/2 em) space. For web page treatments I usually just use 0.4em or 0.5em
for a standard width word space.
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Using a negative text indent to hide the button label, is not what I would
label as a best practice -- IMO. Are the button values dynamically
changing? If not, why even have text for the value attribute? There's no
reason -- scripting-wise that it makes sense to do it.
Why? Simple. In most all
Maybe this will help...
http://www.alohatechsupport.net/webdesignmaui/maui-web-design-articles/layer
_flash_under_html.html
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If you're willing to modify the PNG graphics, the following might provide a
solution to your issue...
http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/09/18/png8-the-clear-winner/
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Jeff,
it only prints one page, cutting the rest of the text off
Printing works fine for me in both IE7 and FF2 on Win XP Pro SP2. On screen
display, however
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Matt,
One of the CSS gurus can provide a detailed explanation as to WHY, but my
off-the-cuff explanation is that your IMG is contained within that first P,
as such IE binds them together as a block element for layout purposes.
(One of the folks here can provide a real explanation and correct
This is really a CMS issue.
Even if you *COULD* do this, then you'd have to *UNDO* it once client want's
the link clickable. From a professional perspective, I'd just tell the
client they're suffering from a concussion! And, do you want someone else to
look at your code and say, Cutting edge,
to break as new browsers hit the street.
Just my two-cents worth!
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Should fonts declared with a size in Pixels fail a WCAG 1.0 test?
No they should not fail.
Though browsers do provide mechanisms for adjusting default font sizes,
users may adjust the default font resolution on their system.
For example, I have a laptop that has a 14 screen with a native
One other question. Why will my HTML not validate when I
have target=blank in HTML 1.0 Strict? (If this is too far
off topic please ignore. I really want to know about the
above question.)
Assuming you mean XHTML 1.0 Strict, there is not target attribute to the
A element in Strict
Hi all,
The following site is working fine in IE7 and Firefox 2, but breaks down in
IE6. Specifically the page sections containing the navigation bar and the
content, are not filling down the page and stopping at the footer, along
with scroll bars not appearing per the overflow: auto property on
Okay... it's definitely one of those days... here is the URL that was
missing from my previous missive...
www.areteam.com
...Rob
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Hi Chris,
Thanks for the info.
The general layout of the site, and the use of the AP divs, is to accomplish
two very simple -- or what is simple with IE7 and FF2 -- things.
First, the header and the footer regions get glued to the top and bottom
of the viewport. This is working in IE6 okay as
nested in a
conditional IE comment. Not what I want to do, but it would be a solution --
of sorts.
...Rob
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-- the use
of the AP divs.
Thanks again for helping me get my bearings on that.
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Tedd,
For my edification, what is the purpose of the #tlc and #trc hasLayout
triggers contained in the browser hack at the top of the CSS?
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How can I link and entire td in a table? I can only seem
to get it to
work if I set an explicit height, which in this case, I do not know
ahead of time
As you suggest / fear, I don't think this is possible.
Setting height: 100% to the 'a' will only have an effect if
its containing
Paragraphs still have default margins, so it's a collapsing
margins[1] case.
I still don't understand. And, to be honest, sometimes when I read the
specification, I feel like I need a doctorate degree in technical writing.
Intuitively, I would expect the margin-bottom of that last nested p
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Nancy,
Duncan, The script works perfectly, but I still don't
understand why it won't work in IE without the script since
the hover is for the a tag.
The CSS is actually targeting the SPAN element inside of the A element, not
the A element itself.
...Rob
With UTF-8 a byte-order mark is not necessary. However, Dreamweaver CS3
allows you to include one in your files. Check your PREFERENCES - NEW
DOCUMENT settings and DESELECT the Include Unicode Signature (BOM) option.
It is only required with UTF-16 and UTF-32.
Now, as far as the files you have
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elements not closed.
Before you can worry about the layout, you've got to get your PHP outputting
clean HTML.
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Excellent reference. Thanks Ingo!
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Why was that not a problem for FF? problem in both IE 6 7.
Different browser's use different methods to try and intuit what the
author/programmer means when it's fed invalid code. In this case Firefox
guessed correctly while IE did not.
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run-in heads (though they are
not tagged as h3).
There is one display issue that I did see. While you did fix the centering
with respect to the radio buttons, when printed, the heading is no longer
centered.
...Rob
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-- would seem to require some
amount of nested DIVs.
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the background color. There may be other ways to achieve
this, but IMO a nested element seems the easiest.
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about achieving this effect? (I'm trying to avoid
falling back on overlapping AP divs, if possible.)
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Hi all,
Thank you for your insightful comments.
At the moment I'm leaning towards using small background PNG32s in the DIVs
for the transparency effect, with a conditional style sheet for IE6 that
uses alternate background images.
Best,
Rob
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Hi Bill (and Al),
Whenever you expose IE7 to a filter you kill
font-smoothing.
This is a great approach, but the font-smoothing will be an issue.
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graphic format. (Since the PNG32s are
specified as background-images in the CSS, the usual IE6 filter trick won't
do.)
Here's what it looks like right now...
http://winningsportsclub.com/preview/concept2a.html
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one copy of responses to
other new topics by other people. Different, interesting.
The list is set up such that REPLY goes to the person that submitted the
message. REPLY-ALL will go to BOTH the poster and the list.
...Rob
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trying to figure out what is collapsing and
causing the bottom border to NOT appear.
Here is the link:
http://www.hairydogdigital.com/HairyDog02/
Any suggestions/thoughts?
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Rob
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with that understanding.
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Just for clarification, if anyone else is as confused by this
thread as I am.
I am glad I was able to confuse. It means the coffee is being consumed at
too great an intake level.
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: dotted 1px #FFF;
}
Thanks for the info and helping me get my bearings on this. (I'm having a
sense of deja vu, so it's likely that I asked this a while back too. Doh!)
...Rob
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lower into the content.
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*:first-child (margin-top: 0;}
I realize bets are off with IE6, however, with standards-compliant sites, I
basically take a horseshoes and hand grenades approach with IE6. So the
margin-top value in the case of IE6 will be acceptable.
...Rob
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of the implementation on one of the popular CSS
sites (can't remember which one now). When I saw Tim's message and then
looked at the specification
(http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/selector.html#first-child), I realized my error.
Thanks!
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wonky. If that is what it takes
fine, but I'm wondering if there is something about the structure and css
that I am overlooking that is causing this issue on IE7.
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to resolve the
issue.
Granted, this is all WITHOUT IE6, which I usually patch back to together via
an MS conditional comment CSS sheet load.
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