date:19990709


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Yahoo! News Thursday July 08 08:30 PM EDT
On July 3, 1969, just one month after quitting his gig as guitarist for
the Rolling Stones, Brian Jones was found drowned in his pool. He was
27. Authorities labeled the death a "misadventure," saying Jones downed
a potent cocktail of drugs and booze before he went for his fatal swim.
Case closed.

Not quite Unsolved Mysteries fodder, right? Not so fast.

Thirty years after the musician's death, his onetime girlfriend has
broken her silence in a big way, claiming Jones was the victim not of
his own excesses but of foul play.

In a just-published tome called The Murder of Brian Jones, Anna Wholin
says her then-beau had quit his drug habit and cut back on his drinking
before he died. Instead of a chemical-induced misadventure, she alleges
Jones was offed by one Frank Thorogood in a fight over money.

Trouble is, Thorogood, who was doing handywork around Jones' English
farmhouse at the time of the Stone's death, isn't around to defend
himself--he died five years ago.

But before he passed away, it was widely reported that he recorded a
deathbed confession wherein he admitted murdering Jones. (Police were
unable to substantiate Thorogood's reputed crime, however, and Jones'
death is still officially classified as accidental.)

Wohlin, who discovered Jones' body in the pool, says she "repressed"
the circumstances surrounding his demise and kept the details of the
"murder" to herself for three decades. It was only after a recent
divorce that she says she finally was ready to tell the world.

"I felt that I wanted to tell what really happened, mainly for the sake
of his son and his closest friends who also believed that he died when
he was on drugs. That wasn't true. I knew what was going on," she tells
a newspaper in her native Sweden.

About 300 people held a grave-side vigil last weekend to commemorate
the 30th anniversary of Jones' passing.
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[CTRL] Unabomber was CIA mind-control experiment!


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 We're Reaping Tragic Legacy From Drugs

 Culture:
 From government LSD experiments to overuse of drugs
 like Ritalin, the consequences are overwhelming.

 By ALEXANDER COCKBURN
 Los Angeles Times
 Tuesday, July 6, 1999

 It turns out that Theodore Kaczynski, a.k.a. the Unabomber,
 was a volunteer in mind-control experiments sponsored by the
 CIA at Harvard in the late 1950s and early 1960s.

 Michael Mello, author of the recently published book, "The
 United States of America vs. Theodore John Kaczynski," notes
 that at some point in his Harvard years -- 1958 to 1962 --
 Kaczynski agreed to be the subject of "a psychological
 experiment."  Mello identifies the chief researcher for these
 only as a lieutenant colonel in World War II, working for
 the CIA's predecessor organization, the Office of Strategic
 Services.  In fact, the man experimenting on the young
 Kaczynski was Dr. Henry Murray, who died in 1988.

 Murray became preoccupied by psychoanalysis in the 1920s,
 drawn to it through a fascination with Herman Melville's
 "Moby Dick," which he gave to Sigmund Freud, who duly made
 the excited diagnosis that the whale was a father figure.
 After spending the 1930s developing personality theory,
 Murray was recruited to the OSS at the start of the war,
 applying his theories to the selection of agents and also
 presumably to interrogation.

 As chairman of the Department of Social Relations at Harvard,
 Murray zealously prosecuted the CIA's efforts to carry
 forward experiments in mind control conducted by Nazi doctors
 in the concentration camps.  The overall program was under
 the control of the late Sidney Gottlieb, head of the CIA's
 technical services division.  Just as Harvard students were
 fed doses of LSD, psilocybin and other potions, so too were
 prisoners and many unwitting guinea pigs.

 Sometimes the results were disastrous.  A dram of LSD fed by
 Gottlieb himself to an unwitting U.S. army officer, Frank
 Olson, plunged Olson into escalating psychotic episodes,
 which culminated in Olson's fatal descent from an upper
 window in the Statler-Hilton in New York.  Gottlieb was the
 object of a lawsuit not only by Olson's children but also by
 the sister of another man, Stanley Milton Glickman, whose
 life had disintegrated into psychosis after being unwittingly
 given a dose of LSD by Gottlieb.

 What did Murray give Kaczynski?  Did the experiment's
 long-term effects help tilt him into the Unabomber's
 homicidal rampages?  The CIA's mind experiment program was
 vast.  How many other human time bombs were thus primed?
 How many of them have exploded?

 There are other human time bombs, primed in haste, ignorance
 or indifference to long-term consequences.  Amid all the
 finger-pointing to causes prompting the recent wave of
 schoolyard killings, not nearly enough clamor has been raised
 about the fact that many of these teenagers suddenly
 exploding into mania were on a regimen of antidepressants.
 Eric Harris, one of the shooters at Columbine, was on Luvox.
 Kip Kinkel, who killed his parents and two students in
 Oregon, was on Prozac.

 There are a number of other instances.  Apropos possible
 linkage, Dr. Peter Breggin, author of books on Prozac and
 Ritalin, has said, "I have no doubt that Prozac can
 contribute to violence and suicide.  I've seen many cases.
 In the recent clinical trial, 6% of the children became
 psychotic on Prozac.  And manic psychosis can lead to
 violence."

 A 15-year-old girl attending a ritzy liberal arts school in
 the Northeast told me that 80% of the kids in her class were
 on Prozac, Ritalin or Dexedrine.  The pretext used by the
 school authorities is attention deficit disorder or attention
 deficit hyperactivity disorder, or ADHD, with a diagnosis
 made on the basis of questions such as: "Do you find yourself
 daydreaming or looking out the window?"

 Ritalin is being given to about 2 million American
 schoolchildren.  A 1986 article by Richard Scarnati in the
 International Journal of the Addictions lists more than a
 hundred adverse reactions to Ritalin, including paranoid
 delusions, paranoid psychosis, amphetamine-like psychosis
 and terror.

 Meanwhile, uncertainty reigns on the precise nature of the
 complaint that Ritalin is supposed to be treating.  One panel
 reviewing the proceedings at a conference on ADHD last year
 even doubted whether the disorder is a "valid" diagnosis of a
 broad range of children's behavior, and said there was little
 evidence Ritalin did any good.  In 1996, the Drug Enforcement
 Administration denounced the use of Ritalin and concluded
 that "the dramatic increase in the use of [Ritalin] in the
 1990s should be viewed as a marker or warning to society."

 Indeed.  Land mines now litter the terrain of our society,
 waiting to explode.


 - - -

 Alexander Cockburn Writes for the Nation
 and Other Publications

 Copyright 1999 Los Angeles Times.
 All Rights Reserved


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Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative

1999-07-09 Thread YnrChyldzWyld


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On Fri, 9 Jul 1999, day wrote:

   Homosexuality is an abomination and Jesus stated that this is one of the
  three sins that he despises.
 
  Where exactly did Jesus say this?

 Don't expect a response.


This response should do it!  Let's see what God has to say about it

Quote a passage where Jesus Himself says ANYTHING directly regarding
homosexuality...

You can't, because He didn't

When it comes to meeting our Maker, God will deal more kindly with
homosexuals for their sin, than with the likes of you for spewing hate,
and hiding behind His Word to justify your evil...


is Sodomite. (The feminine Hebrew form of this word is harlot [cf.
Genesis 38:21,22; Deuteronomy 23:17; Hosea 4:14]). Referring

So what the Bible is REALLY condemning is harlotry by either sex, and not
a committed relationship between individuals of the same sex...

Do you wear clothes with mixed fibers?  Then you are violating God's
Word...(read Leviticus BEYOND the passages regarding homosexuality...)


What a vivid picture we have of the depravity of those committing these acts. Though 
the world today calls it acceptable, a choice,
even a God given lifestyle, the Bible declares homosexuality is not a disease nor 
is it a genetic condition. It is sin. And just
like liars, backbiters, murderers (sinners),

Then why aren't you trolling the internet spewing hate against liars,
'backbiters' (my Bible doesn't have that term in it), and murders, like
you do against gays?



Someone once said,

Not Jesus.  He ministered to sinners, remember...


Homosexuality cannot exist where people love Go

You are so evil.

One could say the same thing about robbery, rape, incest, genocide...


Rejection of God is the root; homosexuality is the fruit.

But adult males who sexually molest little girls are better to you than
two adult males who 'marry' each other, and who are not promiscuous?

I've worked with gays, none of whom was promiscuous.  I've also worked
with straights, many of whom went out to bars many times a week, gladly
having sex with any stranger they found there who was willing...

I'd much rather have a non-promiscuous gay couple as a neighbor or even
as a coworker, than those promiscous straights...and when it comes to
giving blood, I'd feel much safer recieving blood from the
non-promiscuous gays than from the promiscous straights...

Same thing with eating food they'd prepared...
 

Let us all determine to stand firm on these biblical truths.

Biblical superstition.


In conclusion, homosexuality is not a choice when it comes to matters of 
righteousness. When confronting those who are continuing
in this sin, we should not approach it with a holier than thou attitud

You should follow your own advice.


June

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And as you ask I'll set you free
But as you fly
You'll touch the sky
And touch the heart
Within me

  Fly away.


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[CTRL] What does the OT say re: homosexuality (fwd)

1999-07-09 Thread YnrChyldzWyld


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1) All scriptural references to the practice of homosexuality in both
Old and New Testaments declare it to be abhorrent, unnatural and
contrary to the purposes of God

Seems it's time to resend the following article, originally published in
the magazine BIBLE REVIEW in December, 1993...

Pay particular attention to the next-to-the-last paragraph, which
summarizes Milgrom's conclusions...

(I wonder if 'day' purifies himself after each emission of semen, if
indeed he is capable of an emission, since Leviticus declares each man
'impure' after such emissions)  ;-)


-- Forwarded message --


Bible Review, December 1993, p. 11

DOES THE BIBLE PROHIBIT HOMOSEXUALITY?
Jacob Milgrom


The biblical prohibition is addressed only to Israel.  It is incorrect to
apply it on a universal scale.


This past Yom Kippur, September 25, 1993, my synagogue invited me to
explain the afternoon scriptural reading, the list of forbidden sexual
liasons in Leviticus 18.  I chose to focus on what is today one of the
most frequently quoted passages in the entire Bible, "Do not lie with a
male as one lies with a woman, it is an abomination" (Leviticus 18:22).

What I said may be both good news and bad news to my Christian friends,
depending on their position on gay and lesbian rights.  This biblical
prohibition is addressed only to the Jews.  Non-Jews are affected only if
they reside in the Holy Land, but not elsewhere (see the closing
exhortation in Leviticus 18, verses 24-30).  Thus, it is incorrect to
apply this prohibition on a universal scale.

But I spoke to my fellow Jews, who are required to observe this
prohibition.  What is the rationale for this prohibition?  In a previous
column, I noted that the Bible's impurity rules are part of a symbol
system representing the forces of life and death.  Israel is required to
avoid these impurities and adhere to the laws commanded by God, who
promotes the forces of life.  Thus in the same chapter we read, "You
shall heed my statutues and my rules, by doing them one shall live"
(Leviticus 18:5).  A man who discharges semen, whether intentionally or
otherwise, is declared impure and must purify himself by bathing (a sort
of re-baptism) before he is permitted to enter the Temple or touch sacred
(sacrificial) food (Leviticus 15:16-18).  Why?  Because semen stands for
life, and the loss of semen symbolizes the loss of life.

Note also that in the entire list of forbidden sexual unions, THERE IS NO
PROHIBITION AGAINST LESBIANISM.  Can it be that lesbianism did not exist
in ancient times or that Scripture was unaware of its existence?
Lesbians existed and flourished, as attested in an old (pre-Israelite)
Babylonian text and in the work of the lesbian poet Sappho (born c. 612
B.C.E., during the time of the First Temple), who came from the island of
Lesbos (hence lesbianism).  But there is a fundamental difference between
the homosexual acts of men and women.  IN LESBIANISM THERE IS NO SPILLING
OF SEED.  Thus life is not symbolically lost, and therefore lesbianism is
not prohibited in the Bible.

My argument ostensibly can be countered by a more comprehensive biblical
injunction.  The very first commandment, given to Adam and repeated to
Noah, is "Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth" (Genesis 1:28 and
Genesis 9:1,7).  The descendents of Noah--the entire human race--are
duty-bound to fulfill this commandment.  But the truth is that we have
not only filled the earth, we have over-filled it.  This does not mean,
however, that the commandment should be thought of as no longer in
force--especially among Jews, who have lost a third of their members in
our lifetime.  I recall an incident during a premarital interview from
the early years of my rabbinate.  The starry-eyed bride declared her noble
intention to have twelve children to compensate for the tragic loss of six
million killed in the Holocaust.  I gasped, "Must you do it all by
yourself?"

I have since come to regret my flippant reply.  This couple regarded
their forth-coming marriage as a sacrament not just between themselves,
but with the Jewish people.  The problem has worsened for American Jews.
Because intermarriage is rife and the Jewish birth rate is low, American
Jewry, once at zero population growth, has dipped into the minus column.
Were it not for a steady stream of converts, the extinction of American
Jewry would be even more imminent.  For us the divine command, "Be
fruitful and multiply" is truly in force.

To Jewish homosexuals I offer an unoriginal solution.  As compensation
for your loss of seed, adopt children.  Although adoption was practiced
in the ancient world (as attested in Babylonian law), there is no
biblical procedure or institution of adoption.  As a result the
institution of adoption is

Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative

1999-07-09 Thread YnrChyldzWyld


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On Fri, 9 Jul 1999, day wrote:
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God?

Then you should fall down prostrate on the ground and beg God's
forgiveness, since YOU are one of the most wicked people I've seen.


June

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So many things you want to see
And as you ask I'll set you free
But as you fly
You'll touch the sky
And touch the heart
Within me

  Fly away.


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[CTRL] War on Poverty Yields Few Victories


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By DEB RIECHMANN
WASHINGTON (AP) - Ever since Lyndon Johnson declared war on poverty 35
years ago, the government has had little success elevating depressed
areas like those President Clinton toured this week. Nurturing economic
revival in poor pockets of Appalachia, inner cities and the rural South
has sometimes proven all but impossible, say some veterans of those
wars. More progress has been made among poor people than poor places.
"There was never a war on poverty," says Housing Secretary Andrew
Cuomo,
who went with Clinton on his poverty tour. "Maybe there was a skirmish
on poverty for a brief period of time. We have done the broad people-
based programs - Social Security, Medicaid, welfare. But we have never
done intensive geographically targeted work." Clinton says it's these
ignored areas of America that are the untapped markets of tomorrow. He
wants Congress to give tax incentives, tax credits and loan guarantees
to people who invest there. "I think it's a good thing that we
encourage people to invest in Africa, Latin America and the Caribbean,
but they ought to have the same incentive to invest in the Mississippi
Delta, Appalachia, in the native American reservations and the inner
cities," Clinton told people in Clarksdale, Miss. That's been tried,
counter the president's critics. "You know how many times we've saved
Appalachia?" says Robert Rector, analyst at the conservative Heritage
Foundation. "We have the Appalachian Regional Commission. We have the
Economic Development Administration. We have community development
block grants. We have done this over and over and over again." Doug
Besharov, scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, says government
money given to communities is sometimes spent unwisely. If it does
improve people's status, they often pack up and move out, he says. "I
would aim for a people strategy, not a place strategy," he says. James
Galbraith, a professor at the University of Texas' Lyndon Baines
Johnson School of Public Affairs, commends Clinton for raising
awareness about places untouched by the nation's economic boom, but
says what begets business activity is building better schools and roads
and raising the minimum wage. "If you throw business activity in a
region where that does not exist, then you have a sweatshop
phenomenon," Galbraith says. Poverty experts agree, however, that many
programs aimed at helping individuals have worked. When LBJ declared a
war on poverty in his 1964 State of the Union address, 19 percent of
the population was living in poverty. By 1997 - the most recent data
available - that number had fallen to 13.3
percent of the population. That's one of every seven Americans. Social
Security drastically reduced the poverty rate among the elderly. Still,
the poverty rate for children remains near 20 percent, a bare
improvement from Johnson's day. Johnson took his own poverty tour,
visiting tarpaper cabins and meeting with workers. In Inez, Ky., he
talked with Tom Fletcher, a jobless father of eight, who made $400 a
year scrounging for coal. So intent was their conversation that neither
noticed when a gust of wind tore off the door of an outhouse nearby. On
another celebrated poverty tour, in the spring of 1967, New York Sen.
Robert Kennedy was moved to tears by the squalor he saw in Mississippi.
Kennedy's brother-in-law, Sargent Shriver, was Johnson's "Mr. Poverty."
Many of the programs launched then remain today - Medicare, Medicaid,
Head Start and Job Corps. Their effort, however, stalled during the
Vietnam War. Skepticism about the government's ability to solve social
problems waned. By the time Ronald Reagan became president, many
Americans agreed with him that the government had gotten too big and
that solutions should come from the private sector. "President Reagan
said the war on poverty was a failure," Shriver said in an interview.
"It was not a great success, that's true, because we didn't have the
money. I told Lyndon Johnson myself that we needed two or three times
the money we had to overcome the problem." Life is better in Appalachia
and the Mississippi Delta - a little better. Sociologist Cynthia "Mil"
Duncan of the University of New Hampshire, who wrote a book about
Appalachia and rural Mississippi, says residents in their 30s and 40s
say the quality of their lives has improved. "When they were growing
up, they didn't have plumbing in their homes and they lived in really
deplorable conditions. Black children were pulled out of school to work
in the fields. That doesn't happen anymore," Ms. Duncan said. "People
now are living more often in trailers and homes with plumbing." But she
adds: "I did interview people in the 1990s in two-room shacks without
plumbing, so it's not that it's all fixed."
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Washington Times
Letters to the Editor
June 7 - Arlington, VA
During the past several months in the American press, the Democrats
have frequently denounced the Republicans as Nazis due to their
attempts to control runaway federal spending. How very ironic. I
remember the Nazis. Let me share a little about them and recall some of
their exploits. First of all, "Nazi" was gutter slang for the verb "to
nationalize". The Bider-Mienhoff gang gave themselves this moniker
during their early struggles. The official title of the Nazi Party was
"The National Socialist Workers Party of Germany". Hitler and the
Brownshirts advocated the nationalization of education, health care,
transportation, national resources, manufacturing, distribution and law
enforcement. Hitler came to power by turning the working class,
Unemployed, and academic elite against the conservative republic. After
Der Fuhrer's election ceased being a political conspiracy and was
transformed into a fashionable social phenomenon, party membership was
especially popular with educators, bureaucrats, and the press. Being a
Nazi was "politically correct". They called themselves "The Children of
the New Age of World Order" and looked down their noses at everyone
Else. As Hitler acquired more power, he referred to his critics as "The
Dark Forces of Anarchy and Hatred". Anyone who questioned Nazi
high-handedness in the German press was branded a "Conservative
Reactionary". Joseph Goebbels, minister of communications, proclaimed a
"New World Order". The Nazi reign of terror began with false news
Reports on the Jews, Bohemians and Gypses who were said to be arming
themselves to overthrow the "New World Order" and Hitler demanded that
all good people register their guns so that they wouldn't fall into the
hands of "terrorists and madmen". Right-wing fanatics of the "Old
Order"
who protested firearms registration were arrested by the S.S. and put
in
jail for "fomenting hatred against the Government of the German
people".
Then the Reichstag (government building) was blown up and Hitler
ram-rodded an "Emergency Anti-Terrorist Act" through Parliament that
Gave the Gestapo extraordinary powers. The leader then declared that
for the well-being of the German people, all private firearms were to
be confiscated by the Gestapo and the Wermotten (federal law
enforcement and military). German citizens who refused to surrender
their guns when the "jack-boots" (Gestapo) came calling, were murdered
in their homes. By the way, the Gestapo were the federal marshals'
service of the Third Reich. The S.W.A.T. team was invented and
perfected by the Gestapo to break into the homes of the enemies of the
German people. When the Policia Bewakken, or local police, refused to
take away guns from townsfolk, they themselves were disarmed and
dragged out into the street and shot to death by the S.A. and the S.S.
Those were Nazi versions of the B.A.T.F. and the F.B.I. When several
local ministers spoke out Against these atrocities, they were
imprisoned and never seen again. The Gestapo began to confiscate and
seize the homes, businesses, bank accounts, and personal belongings of
wealthy conservative citizens who had prospered in the old Republic.
Pamphleteers who urged revolt against the Nazis were shot on site by
national law enforcement and the Military. Gypsies and Jews were
detained and sent to labor camps. Mountain roads throughout central
Europe were closed to prevent the escape of fugitives into the
wilderness, and to prevent the movement and concealment of partisan
resistance fighters. Public schools rewrote history and Hitler youth
groups taught the children to report their parents to their teachers
for anti-Nazi remarks. Such parents Disappeared. Pagan animism became
the state religion of the Third Reich and Christians were widely
condemned as "right wing fanatics". Millions of books were burned first
and then people. Millions of them burned in huge ovens after they were
first gassed to death. Unmarried women were paid large sums of money to
have babies out of wedlock and then given
medals for it. Evil was declared as being good, and good was condemned
as being evil. World Order was coming and the German people were going
to be the "peacekeepers". Yes, indeed, I remember the Nazis and they
weren't Republicans, or "right wing", or "patriots" or "militias". They
were Socialist monsters. The Nazis were also "pro" gay. Read, The Pink
Swastika: Homosexuality In The Nazi Party, Third Edition.
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Re: [CTRL] War on Poverty Yields Few Victories

1999-07-09 Thread Norse Knight


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The purpose of the "War on Poverty" wasn't to end poverty but to grow
the State. As it has been written "war is the health of the State". The
only thing necessary to end poverty is to get the State off Our backs.

Robert Paul

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Re: [CTRL] Amtrak Derailment

1999-07-09 Thread Cathy Laughlan


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Driving home from work yesterday evening I was listening to NPR.  They
briefly ran a story about an Amtrak derailment.  However, NPR mentioned that
the wife and children of a senator from Arizona were aboard the train, but
were unhurt.  The derailment occurred when a large truck was parked across
the track and the train hit it.

Following up on this in our local paper this morning, I found the following
article, but no mention of the senator's family:

NIAGARA GAZETTE
The National Today
July 9, 1999
5A

"Amtrak train derails in Texas; 18 injured

EAGLE LAKE, Texas -- An Amtrak train carrying 235 passengers struck a truck
Thursday, derailing nine cars and injuring 18 people.

The eastbound Sunset Limited was traveling from Los Angeles to Orlando,
Fla., when it hit the rig shortly before noon, Steven Taub, an Amtrak
spokesman, said.  Track was torn up and two engines and seven cars were off
to the side."

Unfortunately, I didn't catch the senator's name on the NPR broadcast.
Anybody out there able to fill this in?

An Amtrak train carrying

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[CTRL] Art Bell Fires a Warning Shot Across the Pigdog Bow?

1999-07-09 Thread El Snatcher

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Art Bell Fires a Warning Shot Across the Pigdog Bow?

Pigdog Journal (www.pigdog.org)

Jabber Streams

1999-07-09 03:04:56

By El Snatcher

Yesterday, while checking the Pigdog Journal feedback system, I was
surprised to see a letter from influential talk show host Art Bell,
asking if we would mind giving him a phone call. He wanted to talk
about our recent article, which is about his attempts to manage the
information coming out about his feud with the former guests of his
program, David John Oates and Robert A. M. Stephens.
-more-

http://www.pigdog.org/auto/jabber_streams_Art_Bell_Fires_a_Warning_Shot_Across_the_Pigdog_Bow_.html

Other Pigdog articles on the Talk Show Wars:

http://www.pigdog.org/categories/jabber_streams.html

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Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative

1999-07-09 Thread day


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 Then you should fall down prostrate on the ground and beg God's
 forgiveness, since YOU are one of the most wicked people I've seen.

 June



Sorry, Juney, that you feel quoting the word of God is wicked.
If you embrace homosexuals for their lifestyle without trying to
do God's will and change them from their evil doings, then you
are the wicked one.

Now, go fly a kite!

   Kite

 So many things you want to see
 And as you ask I'll set you free
 But as you fly
 You'll touch the sky
 And touch the heart
 Within me

   Fly away.


 -- Bob Childs
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Re: [CTRL] War on Poverty Yields Few Victories


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From: Norse Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 The purpose of the "War on Poverty" wasn't to end poverty but to grow
 the State. As it has been written "war is the health of the State". The
 only thing necessary to end poverty is to get the State off Our backs.

The greatest growth of the State occurred with the massive military
buildups of the Reagan-Bush years, with a concomitant increase in
poverty.  Ending poverty can be helped by ending military-industrial
welfare.

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Re: [CTRL] War on Poverty Yields Few Victories

1999-07-09 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn


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In a message dated 07/09/1999 8:11:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 The purpose of the "War on Poverty" wasn't to end poverty but to grow
 the State. As it has been written "war is the health of the State". The
 only thing necessary to end poverty is to get the State off Our backs. 

Whose poverty will that end?  Besides it's not the State on your back since a
couple of weeks ago.  It's just the States on your back.  Never fear.  Your
dream is coming true.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative


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From: YnrChyldzWyld [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Fri, 9 Jul 1999, day wrote:
 
Homosexuality is an abomination and Jesus stated that this
is one of the three sins that he despises.
  
   Where exactly did Jesus say this?
 
  Don't expect a response.
 
 This response should do it!  Let's see what God has to say about it...

 Quote a passage where Jesus Himself says ANYTHING directly regarding
 homosexuality...
 You can't, because He didn't

In fact, the Hebraic denunciations of various sexual activities
are all part of the laws canceled by Saul/Paul, the torturer and
death-squad leader who invented Xianity.  Saul/Paul declared, in
opposition to Yeshua's claim to fulfill rather than overthrow the
Law [Torah], that the only part of Torah that applied to Xians
were the Ten Commandments - just *which* ten, Saul/Paul didn't
say, so Jews  Catholics  Protestants all use different version
now.  But I digress.  If one adheres to Saul/Paul's particular
heresy, then ALL the OT rules except a Decalogue are overturned;
if one follows Yeshua's teachings, strict Torah adherence is
mandated; if one chooses not to bother with gods, a whole other
realm of possibilities is available.  Buy a ticket, take a ride...

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Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative


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Wcked is a wicked does.

Now, please, this is not a religious discussion list.  And I do not care what
people's personal religious beliefs are. UNLESS you are the talking bush,
plaese realize there is more in God's Worlds than we may understand.
Self-righteousness, as well as prejudice, can bind one to untrue beliefs.
Religious sophistry has no place on this list. Please desist.

Thanks
Om
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In a message dated 7/9/99 5:26:47 AM, you wrote:

 Then you should fall down prostrate on the ground and beg God's

 forgiveness, since YOU are one of the most wicked people I've seen.



 June







Sorry, Juney, that you feel quoting the word of God is wicked.

If you embrace homosexuals for their lifestyle without trying to

do God's will and change them from their evil doings, then you

are the wicked one.

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Aloha, He'Ping,
Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
Omnia Bona Bonis,
All My Relations.
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
Roads End
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[CTRL] OEN 7/9/99


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from:
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Today's Lesson From Skunk Works

by Ben R. Rich  Leo Janos

But that was inconsequential compared to another blue-suiter U-2 pilot,
Major Chuck Maultsby, who was flying out of Alaska on a routine sampling
mission right at the height of the 1962 Cuban missile crisis. His
mission took him over the North Pole in the middle of the night, and
when he turned to return to Alaska, he took the wrong south heading and
wound up flying deep into Soviet territory. The Russians picked him up
right away and thought SAC was coming in the back way to nuke them and
start World War III. We monitored them scrambling jets against Chuck. He
could see the contrails of dozens of fighters trying to reach his
altitude and shoot him down. Finally, President Kennedy got on the hot
line with Krushchev and told him we have a lost U-2 pilot over your
 country on a weather mission, and he is not--repeat, not--a hostile
aircraft. Maulsby had no direct radio communication, only a passive HF
receiver that allowed him to listen. Someone on the tanker that had
refueled him got on the horn and informed Chuck that it was sunrise over
Alaska and suggested he turn his airplane 90 degrees until he saw light,
and then fly in that direction. Chuck obeyed and headed for the western
tip of Alaska, where he was met by a couple of our F-106s that escorted
him to base. He had made the longest U-2 flight ever--about fifteen
straight hours and ran his fuel down to zero, flamed out, had to
deadstick in with his face mask all frosted over.
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Chinese Spying

Chung was Told to Protect Loral and Hughes

The best way to survive

A California businessman suspected by the FBI of trying to coerce
Democratic fund-raiser Johnny Chung's cooperation in a probe of campaign
finance abuses warned Chung against pulling two U.S. aerospace firms
helpful to China's missile program into the scandal.
Robert Luu, who met Chung 20 times during a four-month period in 1998,
told Chung that Chinese intelligence officers in Beijing regarded Loral
Space  Communications Ltd. and Hughes Electronics as "untouchables,"
and strongly suggested he not give up any information that would be
"disadvantageous" to the two firms.

Mr. Luu, under investigation on charges of witness tampering and making
false statements, told Chung that Chinese agents had been in contact
with the two firms and that any accusations of wrongdoing would not be
helpful.

"They are making contacts with these two major companies," Mr. Luu said
during a June 24, 1998, meeting with Chung at his Torrance, Calif.,
office. "They are working, helping you. They don't want to have any
conflicts with the other side. . . . They are talking long-term business
relations."

Loral and Hughes were named in a House report in May as having given key
missile-related expertise to China that proved damaging to U.S. national
security interests.

Chung also was warned not to discuss any possible connection between the
two companies and Liu Chao-ying, a lieutenant colonel in the People's
Liberation Army and a Chinese aerospace company executive with whom
Chung had a business relationship. Federal authorities and House
investigators have identified Miss Liu as a key player in illegal
campaign activities in the United States.

"Don't mention about these two companies and their relationship with
her," Mr. Luu said, using Miss Liu's nickname, "Guniang." "Don't do
something disadvantageous to Guniang, it wouldn't be good for you
either. As long as it would be helpful for getting you out of it, then
it is helpful. Then you protect Guniang. Isn't that the best way to
survive?"

Miss Liu's company, China Resources, has been described by U.S.
authorities as a front for top PLA officers who assumed key positions
with the firm to continue their efforts to influence U.S. policy. Of
particular concern is a connection between China Resources and Gen. Ji
Shengde, the PLA's chief military intelligence officer, who -- according
to Chung -- ordered that $300,000 be transferred to Chung for donations
to the Democratic Party.

The cash eventually was telegraphed to Chung's account at the Overseas
Trust Bank in Hong Kong, then transferred to a California bank. Miss
Liu, whose father is Gen. Liu Huaqing, a member of the Communist Party
leadership, had her picture taken with President Clinton at a
fund-raiser she attended with Chung.

Mr. Luu, when he first approached Chung, told him he had been in contact
with Gen. Ji and Miss Liu.

Chung and Mr. Luu spoke on 11 occasions by telephone and met nine other
times, all of which were secretly recorded or videotaped by the FBI.
Copies of transcripts of those sessions were obtained by The Washington
Times. Mr. Luu is suspected of warning Chung against cooperating in the
FBI's campaign finance probe and of promising

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From
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 Tragedy and Hope by Carroll Quigley
 Hardbound   $39.95  1348 pages


 As a highly respected professor at Georgetown, Quigley (Surprise!
 Bill Clinton was one of his students) in this important book
 (over 20 years in the writing) admits the existence of a powerful
 conspiracy to rule the world, and the establishment of a New
 World Order.

 "This is one of the most important works written by an academic
 in the last fifty years.  Quigley (1910-1977) had access to the
 critical information of the alliance of Insiders, both in Great
 Britain and the United States.  His revelations provided a
 tremendous breakthrough that people like Gary Allen and myself
 were able to utilize in our work as far back as 1971 during the
 publishing of None Dare Call It Conspiracy.  Quigley's book has
 to be a must on any reading list."    Larry Abraham


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[CTRL] Behind the Headlines


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 PicturePicturePicturePicturePicturePicturePictureP
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 July 9, 1999

 THE ELITES VERSUS THE INTERNET

 The elites hate the Internet, and with good reason. In the
 Information Age, the priesthood of "experts" is debunked and
 defunct. It used to be that all legitimate news and commentary
 was filtered through the lens of this self-elected priesthood. No
 more. Today, thanks to the computer revolution, Everyman is an
 expert  or can quickly become one. The decentralization of
 knowledge has done more to create "a level playing field" than
 all the egalitarian schemes in history. But not everyone is happy
 about it.



 GOODBYE, MR. KNOW-IT-ALL

 This revolutionary fact threatens the livelihoods and social
 status of journalists, academics, policy wonks, and resident
 know-it-alls the world over, and they are fighting back in the
 only way they can: with smears and sneers. If disdain were a
 deadly weapon, Matt Drudge would have long ago died a thousand
 deaths.

 SMEARING STRATFOR

 Dethroned by universal skepticism and rising technology, the
 former aristocrats of the Age of Gutenberg, who wax nostalgic
 over carbon paper, are determined to discredit these impudent
 usurpers with any kind of innuendo they can dig up. Writing in
 the Washington Post [July 5, 1999], William M. Arkin dredges up
 the same old charges that have been hurled at freelancers like
 Drudge: the Internet is nothing but a rumor-mill, and its
 resident experts and chief practitioners are charlatans all.
 Exhibit 'A' is a "widely-distributed fake essay," which was
 supposed to have been written by retired General John
 Shalikashvili, in which the former head of the Joint Chiefs
 criticized the Kosovo war. Arkin reveals that the fake letter was
 pieced together from an analysis by the Strategic Forecasting and
 Intellgience, known as STRATFOR, a private foreign policy
 thinktank that operates chiefly over the Internet. He then
 proceeds to link them to the fake letter, in spite of STRATFOR
 chairman George Friedman's disclaimer that "we don't need the
 publicity." "Well, sniffs Arkin, "at least STRATFOR doesn't need
 bad publicity"  and the smears follow fast and furious.

 THE SINS OF STRATFOR

 Arkin's fury is rooted not only in technophobia, and a patrician
 disdain of anything that comes off the Internet: he has a clear
 ideological agenda. Citing "a number of Pentagon reporters," he
 complains that the conservative STRATFOR has growing influence
 among the military. Seeking to mesmerize his audience with the
 pure evil of the STRATFOR "would-be pundits," Arkin quotes one
 anonymous journalist who calls their online analysis "the
 distilled essence of conventional wisdom from a conservative
 military point of view, all processed in the STRATFOR strategic
 Cuisinart: KLA bad, Clinton stupid, [General Wesley] Clark too
 comfortable with diplomats and reporters, Albright
 trigger-happy." Clinton stupid? KLA bad? How could anyone even
 entertain such farfetched ideas?

 DISGRUNTLED AND DISGRACED

 This anonymous reporter, says Arkin, views STRATFOR as a purveyor
 of "the simple, and simplistic explanations often popular with
 disgruntled Washington observers." In the world of the Washington
 insiders, to be "disgruntled" is akin to being called a crank.
 And of course there can be no simple explanations, everything is
 necessarily complex: far too complex for anyone but journalists 
 liberal journalists  to figure out.

 IN GOVERNMENT WE TRUST?

 Arkin cites Friedman's view that "governments  'ours and theirs'
  are not trustworthy" with evident distaste. In an era when the
 lines that used to separate government and journalism are
 blurred, with the latter frequently taking its marching order
 from the former  or, in Strobe Talbot's case, the latter
 becoming the former  such a view is seen as curiously archaic,
 like the Latin Mass or the Constitution.

 ADDING INSULT TO INJURY

 If this were not enough to completely discount STRATFOR and all
 its works, we are told that Friedman, adding insult to injury,
 "abhors Beltway gossip"  the Washington Post's stock-in-trade 
 and is skeptical of "expert information." Friedman, in short, is
 the exact opposite of what the late Murray N. Rothbard called the
 "court intellectual," who "spins the apologia for the new
 dispensation in return for wealth, power, and prestige at the
 hands of the state and it's allied Establishment." In
 understanding where Arkin and his ilk are coming from, the full
 citation from Rothbard's classic essay, "Harry Elmer Barnes as
 Revisionist of the Cold War," in Harry Elmer Barnes, Learned
 Crusader (Ralph Myles, 1968), is worth quoting:

 ROTHBARD ON THE COURT INTELLECTUALS

 "There have been, after all, but two mutually exclusive roles
 that the intellectual can play and has played through history:
 either independent truth-seeker, or kept favorite of the Court.
 Certainly, the historical norm of the old and dead civilization

[CTRL] [5] The Marcos Dynasty


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An excerpt from:
The Marcos Dynasty
Sterling Seagrave©1988
Harper  Row, Inc
ISBN 0-06-015815-8
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Four
YAMASHITA'S GOLD

IT WAS APPARENT to Tokyo by the summer of 1944 that an Allied invasion of the
Philippines or Formosa was imminent. At Hollandia in New Guinea, a great
fleet of American ships was assembling. To prepare for it, General Kuroda
Shigenori was relieved of his command in the Philippines and replaced by the
"Tiger of Malaya," General Yamashita Tomoyuki (pronounced Ya-MASH-ta). He was
a big man, heavyset, with a bull neck and a large, close-cropped head. A
product of the Prussian-oriented military tradition in Japan, his face was
kept expressionless and he appeared to be brutal and insensitive, but he was
actually a moderate who had resisted the explosive growth of the Imperial
Army, and the growing fanaticism of its officer corps. The son of a
mild-mannered country doctor, Yamashita had not chosen a military career; it
was his father's idea. "I was big and healthy," he said, 11 and my mother did
not seriously object because she believed that I would never pass the highly
competitive entrance examination." He proved to be a brilliant commander, but
his resistance to the ultranationalism of his fellow officers caused him
serious trouble. In 1929 he supported an unpopular plan to reduce the size of
the army by several divisions. As a consequence, he felt that his promotion
to lieutenant general had been delayed for years. Yamashita resented the
fanatical clique that had gathered around Tojo, and he was almost paranoid in
his suspicion of their motives. And rightly so. Tojo had given him the
difficult job of conquering the supposedly impregnable British bastion of
Singapore, and if that did not destroy him, planned to have him assassinated
as soon as Singapore surrendered. As it turned out, Singapore fell with
catastrophic suddenness, and Yamashita's lightning campaign and humiliation
of the British raj made him a national hero.

 Instead of having him murdered, Tojo put him on ice, dispatching him to
Manchuria to train troops. By calling out the Tiger of Malaya to defend the
Philippines, Tokyo gave Yamashita the burden of what many suspected would be
an exhaustive delaying action and ultimately a losing battle.
Yamashita arrived in the Philippines only on October 6, 1944, too late to
alter the equation significantly. At almost the same moment, the vast Allied
armada in New Guinea sailed for Leyte, manned by fifty thousand sailors.
MacArthur was still smarting from the way in which he had been surprised, cut
off at the knees, and unceremoniously booted out of the islands at the start
of the war. This time, he was taking no chances. He had a quarter of a
million soldiers and marines with him, many of them battle-hardened, while
most of the twenty thousand Japanese troops garrisoned on Leyte had never
before seen combat.

The Battle of Leyte Gulf, the biggest sea battle in history to that point,
resulted in disastrous Japanese naval losses. The outcome was decided not by
superior force or ingenuity but, as is often the case, by miscalculations and
luck. Both sides blundered ludicrously. Outnumbering the Japanese by nearly
ten to one, MacArthur was ultimately victorious ashore. As 1944 drew -to a
close, he prepared to invade Luzon.

It was impossible to defend Manila, Yamashita realized, so to spare it from
pointless destruction he declared it an open city and withdrew his command to
the mountains in the north, leaving only 3,750 security troops to maintain
order in the city. Without consulting or informing Yamashita, Rear Admiral
Iwabuchi Sanji, the commander of the Japanese naval district, then reoccupied
Manila with 16,000 marines and sailors. He had orders from Vice Admiral
Okochi Denshichi to destroy all port facilities and naval storehouses, but
Admiral Iwabuchi also had his own urgent and sinister reason for taking
matters into his own hands.

With the Japanese conquest of East and Southeast Asia had come loot beyond
dreams. Gold and gems were confiscated from private citizens, churches,
temples, monasteries, banks, corporations, and fallen governments-and from
the gangster syndicates and blackmoney economies of each nation. After Korea
and Manchuria, loot came from China, Indochina, Thailand, Burma, Malaya,
Borneo, Singapore, the Philippines, and the Dutch East Indies; a vast hoard
of jewelry, gems, gold Buddhas, bullion, public and personal treasure.
Speculation over the years on the total worth of this war loot ranged up to 3
billion 1940s dollars-the equivalent of over $100 billion today. According to
various postwar estimates, the amount of gold bullion alone was between 4,000
and 6,000 tons. These estimates were probably far too conservative, made at a
time in the late 1940s when little was known and much was being covered up.
We might arrive at a more accurate total if 6,000 tons was considered to be
only the amount stolen or seized from legitimate sources

Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative


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I've worked with gays, none of whom was promiscuous.  I've also worked
with straights, many of whom went out to bars many times a week, gladly
having sex with any stranger they found there who was willing...

I'd much rather have a non-promiscuous gay couple as a neighbor or even
as a coworker, than those promiscous straights...



Then you're a bigot, too. You just have different prejudices.

That's OK with me. You're entitled to any prejudice you like.  I don't
hate bigots; if I did, I'd be one.  The way I figure, some people like
ketchup, some people like mayonaisse. I like mustard. What's the big deal?

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[CTRL] (Fwd) Compassionate Conservatism?

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Subject:Compassionate Conservatism"?

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Friday, July 9, 1999

"COMPASSIONATE CONSERVATISM"?

LOUIS DUBOSE, [EMAIL PROTECTED],
http://www.texasobserver.org
Editor of the Texas Observer, Dubose said: "'Compassionate
conservatism'
is in fact the same old wine, badly soured, in a shiny New Texas
bottle.
We are dead last in per capita government spending, 49th in spending on
the environment -- while first in pollution."

EVA DeLUNA, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.cppp.org
Budget and policy analyst at the Center for Public Policy Priorities,
DeLuna said: "Texas has the fifth highest poverty rate -- 3.3 million
people, 1.4 million are children. On a per capita basis, Texas spends a
negligible amount on natural resources, welfare, libraries, the arts or
adult education. Things have changed recently, however -- spending on
prisons has increased dramatically in the last decade."

ROBERT BRYCE, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.auschron.com
In today's Austin Chronicle, reporter Bryce breaks new ground about Gov.
George W. Bush's involvement in an influence-buying scandal regarding the
world's largest funeral company. Bryce said today: "Bush got $35,000 in
contributions from Service Corporation International. It appears Bush then
helped them thwart an investigation by the Texas Funeral Service
Commission. The former director of the commission, Eliza May, was
pressured by Bush's chief of staff and campaign manager Joe Allbaugh. She
has filed a whistle-blower lawsuit."

BARBARA RENAUD GONZALEZ, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A columnist for the San Antonio Express-News and author of the forthcoming
"Mestiza," a personal and political look at the future of Latinos,
Gonzalez said: "Bush has used the magic of Spanish to seduce Latinos, but
his policies have hurt us. Bush has attended the most exclusive schools in
the country, but he doesn't want to pay for ours. Instead, he signed a $2
billion tax cut on property taxes. He betrays democracy by supporting
school vouchers which erode diversity and skim the best students. Bush is
an avid supporter of the death penalty but he has opposed the right of
indigent defendants to adequate legal counsel."

CRAIG McDONALD, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.tpj.org
Director of the campaign finance reform group Texans for Public Justice,
McDonald said: "Bush is clearly the all-time champion of raising money in
Texas politics: $16 million in the '94 race, $25 million in the '98
campaign. Much of his money has come from a handful of corporations that
have controlled Texas politics for many years: oil and gas, utilities,
corporate law firms, the petrochemical industry. Almost half of Bush's '98
war chest came from donations of $10,000 and up. Bush has been responsive
to his campaign backers. He got lots of money from the tort 'reform'
groups during his first race. As soon as he got into office, he declared
tort reform an emergency -- which greased the legislative process,
allowing the enactment of a draconian slate of laws that make it difficult
for consumers to hold corporations accountable."

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The Nazis were also "pro" gay.


Some were; some weren't.  Look, ten to fifteen percent of EVERY group is
gay; get used to it.

The NSDAP leaderhip, except for Ernst Rohm, was decidedly not "pro" gay.
To find out what the straight faction of Nazis did to the gay faction of
Nazis the minute they had state power and  no longer needed to cynically
use them, read Night of the Long Knives.

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[CTRL] Saddam: U.N. Waging Germ Warfare

1999-07-09 Thread Hilary A. Thomas


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JULY 09, 10:15 EDT
Saddam: U.N. Waging Germ Warfare
By LEON BARKHO
Associated Press Writer

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP)  President Saddam Hussein has accused the United
Nations of mounting a secret germ war against Iraq, citing his government's
accusation that a U.N. employee bred locust eggs to harm Iraqi crops.

In remarks carried by three state-run newspapers today, Saddam also charged
U.N. employees in Iraq of theft, mainly of archaeological treasures, for
sale abroad.

The United Nations did not immediately respond to the allegations, the
harshest and most serious ever made by Iraq. It was even more unusual that
the accusations came personally from the Iraqi leader who made no effort to
mince his words.

On Thursday, Ian Broughton, a New Zealander working on the United Nation's
mine-clearing operations in northern Iraq, left the country after he was
accused of breeding and planting eggs of locusts, insects that destroy
crops.

The United Nations withdrew Broughton after the government demanded his
expulsion. The government produced no evidence against Broughton, and a
U.N.
statement said Thursday that Broughton was not even in the area on April 8
when he is alleged to have buried the eggs near the border town of Khanaqin
in the northeast.
Addressing high-ranking officials of the ruling Baath Party on Thursday,
Saddam said Broughton was acting on behalf of intelligence services of
foreign states.

``This action is not personal. It is the work of states and intelligence
agencies belonging to them,'' he said without naming the countries.

``The aim of those burying locust eggs ... or transferring viruses and
germs to Iraq is to harm public health and lower quantities of food
available to Iraqis,'' Saddam was quoted as saying.

He did not substantiate his allegation about the transfer of germs and
viruses.
``The enemies were using the United Nations as a means to spread diseases
among the people of Iraq ... There is a germ which is breeding (here) under
the cover of the United Nations,'' he said.

Saddam said most of the U.N. staff in Iraq, whether involved in disarmament
activities or relief distribution, are spies and thieves.

``The Iraqi people are aware that the majority, but not all, of U.N.
employees have been engaged in stealing Iraqi antiquities. They are seen
spending the day in markets buying anything that will bring them a profit
abroad,'' Saddam said.

In the past such charges were only made against U.N. weapons inspectors who
left Iraq last year shortly before the United States and Britain launched
airstrikes to punish Iraq for allegedly failing to meet its disarmament
obligations.

Iraq has vowed not to let the inspectors set foot in the country again.

U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan has admitted that spies recruited by the
CIA had infiltrated the ranks of U.N. weapons inspectors in Iraq.

Since the inspectors left the country, the government has stepped up
attacks on U.N. relief workers who supervise and administer the
implementation of the oil-for-food deal in Iraq.

The United Nations denies that any of its nearly 400 relief workers has
ever been involved in spying.

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Re: [CTRL] The Church and Jewish Ideology -Sobran

1999-07-09 Thread Damian B. Cooper


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At 08:55 PM 7/8/99 -0700, Ric Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Read some history.  Then read some more history.



Gee.  I would love to.  But all the relevant stuff is suppressed or censored.

DBC

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[CTRL] Documents show French officials covered up tainted blood

1999-07-09 Thread Hilary A. Thomas


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Documents show French officials covered up tainted blood
Copyright © 1999 Nando Media
Copyright © 1999 Associated Press

PARIS (July 9, 1999 12:06 p.m. EDT http://www.nandotimes.com) - Fearing a
legal backlash, French health officials purposely failed to notify blood
transfusion recipients they may have contracted AIDS, according to an
official document published Friday.

In a memo dated Dec. 13, 1989, and published Friday by the Le Parisien
daily, then-top health ministry official Jean-Francois Girard urged caution
in tracking down and notifying transfusion recipients.

"Before taking action, consider the consequences," he wrote. "The major
risk is a media backlash favoring the demands of the blood recipients and
group legal action on their behalf."

Girard, elected president of the World Health Organization's executive
council, is widely regarded as one of Europe's most influential health
officials.

The incriminating document strengthens the case against former health
minister Claude Evin, recently charged with involuntary homicide for
failing to notify blood recipients that they may have contracted AIDS.

Evin is the fourth minister to be tried in the scandal that rocked the
French health system in the mid-1980s, when 4,000 people contracted the
AIDS virus from blood transfusions. Hundreds later died.

Charges were filed against Evin, health minister from 1988 and 1991, by the
family of Catherine Aloncle, who died of AIDS in 1991, and the French
Association of Transfused Patients.

Girard told France Inter radio that the two paragraphs published by Le
Parisien were "taken out of context" from a five-page memo outlining the
problems of testing blood recipients and providing compensation.

Le Parisien also published an interview with a French medical secretary who
said she had offered to help identify blood recipients in 1992 at a
hospital in the western French city of Nantes.

"I went to the personnel director and got a shock. I still remember his
response: 'It's out of the question,'" Annick Duperrin recalled. "I got the
distinct feeling that his answer wasn't only in regard to my request, but
more generally, to any research on such an explosive issue."

The newspaper said the hospital later published a small notice about the
possible blood contamination in a local paper.

Three trials already have been held to determine just who is responsible
for the health debacle, but their outcomes have left victims' families
angry and frustrated.

A special court acquitted former Prime Minister Laurent Fabius and Social
Affairs Minister Georgina Dufoix on charges of manslaughter in connection
with the scandal. Former Health Minister Edmond Herve, Evin's predecessor,
was convicted but not given a penalty.

http://www.nandotimes.com/healthscience/story/0,1080,68770-108815-772346-0,0
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Re: [CTRL] The Church and Jewish Ideology -Sobran


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all the relevant stuff is suppressed or censored.


If it's suppressed or censored you haven't read it. If you haven't read
it, how do you know it's relevant?

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[CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #1

1999-07-09 Thread ric carter


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SkeptiNews 990709a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
: Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning.
: No vivacious nymphomaniacs were harmed during production of this bulletin.
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# Jellyfish Gum Up Works At Nuclear Plant. TOKYO (Reuters)  A nuclear plant
  in Japan has been forced to slash its power generation after a swarm of
  jellyfish blocked off its pipes. Tokyo Electric Power Co Inc (TEPCO) cut
  power generation at its nuclear plant in central Japan after the inverte-
  brates clustered around an opening which takes in seawater to be used as
  coolant. http://news.excite.com/news/r/990708/07/odd-life-jellyfish

: If the US Navy uses dolphins for military purposes, can/should/will anti-
nuke campaigners recruit sealife to attack atomic facilities? What animals
do you regularly exploit for your doctrinaire purposes? Have animal-rights
activists found you out yet? Do you use mind-control on animals, activists?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Researchers' 'robo-fly' demystifies insect flight. (U-WIRE) BERKELEY, Ca.
  The mid-air stunts  acrobatics of the flying insect that have for decades
  baffled scientists are now close to being entirely explained - even repli-
  cated - thanks to a unique device built and designed by UC Berkeley res-
  earchers, who began discovering the intricacies of flying after making a
  robotic replica of a flying insect, a device called "robo-fly." "We uncov-
  ered how insects are able to fly." 3 mechanisms governing insect flight:
  "Delayed Stall," "Rotational Circulation" and "Wake Capture." Buzz on
  over to: http://news.excite.com/news/uw/990706/odd-67

: Will new human transport devices be based on insect flight? Is the Roswell
flying-saucer reverse-engineering system obsolete? Would you rather fly by
airplane, flying saucer, helicopter, robo-fly, ornithopter, balloon, angel?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# NASA unveils plans for comet. LOS ANGELES (AP) - A spacecraft named Deep
  Impact will fire a 1,100-pound copper bullet at the nucleus of a comet,
  blasting out a crater the size of a football field and as deep as a seven-
  story building. The radical US$240 mln NASA mission may sound more like
  fiction than science, but its primary purpose will be to study the makeup
  of comets. It's a coincidence that the project has the same name as last
  summer's disaster movie "Deep Impact," which was about a comet smacking
  Earth. http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560230671-8b6

# Also - Mission called Messenger will go to the neglected planet Mercury:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_389000/389076.stm

@ Links: MESSENGER: http://sd-www.jhuapl.edu/MESSENGER
@ Mercury: http://seds.lpl.arizona.edu/nineplanets/nineplanets/mercury.html
@ NASA Comet observations: http://encke.jpl.nasa.gov/

: Would you rather blast a comet or a planet? Is it moral to blast comets?
Will the comet gods blast Earth in revenge? Will the Zetans let us do this?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# NASA clears telescope for launch. CAPE CANAVERAL (AP) The largest and most
  powerful X-ray telescope ever to be launched will leave aboard the space
  shuttle Columbia July 20, the anniversary of man's first moon landing. The
  5-day shuttle mission will be led by Eileen Collins, NASA's first female
  commander. In development since the 1970s, the Chandra X-ray Observatory
  will look for faint sources of cosmic X-rays, such as quasars, exploded
  stars and possibly black holes. And Chandra's military twin can read your
  mail. http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560228654-a7c

: Can/should/will/do we use alien technologies to build ever-better observa-
tion devices? Will the Reptilioids allow us to get away with this? Why not?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Mystery of solar wind solved. WASHINGTON (AP) Particles streaming out from
  the sun catch a magnetic wave and surf across the solar system at almost
  two million miles an hour, twice the predicted speed, according to new
  satellite data. The high speed flow from the sun, called the solar wind,
  has been a mystery to scientists for decades because they expected the
  particles to poke along at a mere 1 mln MPH. New measurements by 2 science
  sats have solved the puzzle by showing that the solar wind's speed is
  boosted by magnetic waves that spiral out from the sun. Riding mag.surf -
  see http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560227595-58e
@ Images to support this story: FTP://PAO.GSFC.NASA.GOV/newsmedia/SWIND

: Do UFOs surf the magnetic waves? Does this support the old contention that
UFOs are magnetic craft? Can we build such magnetic craft? Have we already?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Controversy over sun health claim. (BBC) Experts have panned a study which
says the health advantages of exposure to the sun outweigh the risk of skin
cancer.

[CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #3

1999-07-09 Thread ric carter


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SkeptiNews 990709c - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
: Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning.
: No victorious revolutionaries were harmed to produce this bulletin. Ratz.
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# Seahenge gives up its secrets. (BBC) A circle of waterlogged wooden posts
  found on a remote beach in Norfolk, England, is transforming our knowledge
  of Bronze Age culture 4,000 years ago. 55 posts around an up-turned oak
  stump: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_388000/388988.stm

@ Links: Flag Fen: http://www.flagfen.freeserve.co.uk/
@ Council for British Archaeology: http://www.britarch.ac.uk/
@ English Heritage: http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/
@ Norfolk Archaeological Unit:
  http://norfolk.gov.uk/tourism/museums/arch_unt.htm
@ 'Woodhenge News', The Order of Druids:
  http://druidry.org/obod/text/news/woodhenge.html

: Do you prefer wood-post circles, stone-monolith circles, flat-stones-in-
the-desert circles, crop circles, traffic circles, donuts, Cheerios, me? Are
all circles sigils of ritual worship, alien artifacts, mind-control devices?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Religious sect's trip common. CARTAGENA (AP) Colombian cops say there's no
  reason to fear for the members of a religious sect whose mountain retreat
  has sparked wild media speculation about a possible mass suicide. "There's
  nothing... irregular or criminal," in the sect's trip to Colombia's Sierra
  Nevada mountains from the Caribbean port city of Cartagena, top cop Col.
  Armando Silva said. As a precaution, police were trying to determine the
  location of about 20 members of the Stella Maris Gnostic Church, who trav-
  eled over the weekend into the rugged northern range east of Cartagena.
  Other reports have placed the number of worshippers as high as 60. See
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560229121-5e5

: Should/can/do police track your cult? Is Stella Maris a typical doomsday
cult? Is yours? Do you track cults? Are they easily harvested by Reptoids?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Vatican in the black for 6th year. VATICAN CITY (AP) Crediting the genero-
  sity of believers worldwide as well as profits on investments and really,
  the Vatican reported its sixth straight profitable year. But the cushion
  was far from plump. The 1998 surplus, just over US$1.5 mln, was paltry
  compared to the nearly $11 million surplus recorded in 1997. The Vatican
  went through 23 money-losing years until 1993. In the last few years, the
  Holy See has explored new ways to make money, such as marketing papal CDs
  and merchandising ventures linked to its museums, post office and mint.
  See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560231102-0f6

: Does your belief system turn a profit? What part of your sect generates
the greatest revenues? Do you invest in other sects to diversify your port-
folio? Are your ties with organized crime profitable? How does a heaven/hell
doctrine differ from a "protection racket?" Does your theology have muscle?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

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  See our Special Report: http://www.cnet.com/Digdispatch/dispatch463.html

: Do you access/provide special/illegal/unethical material online? Where? Is
it fun? Can/should/will it be controlled? Does the Net route around censors?
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- Planetary alignment / doomsday predictions:
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@ Edmond Wollmann: http://www.astrology.net/guest/8002.html

# MRS. CLINTON: JERUSALEM IS ISRAEL'S 'ETERNAL, INDIVISIBLE' CAPITAL:
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# Hominid Ancestors Saw Nearby Supernova As Second Sun:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/low/english/sci/tech/newsid_388000/388291.stm
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# APOLLO 12 ASTRONAUT PETE CONRAD KILLED IN ACCIDENT - 3rd man to walk on
  moon:

Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative

1999-07-09 Thread Ynr Chyldz Wyld


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From: nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I'd much rather have a non-promiscuous gay couple as a neighbor or even
as a coworker, than those promiscous straights...



Then you're a bigot, too. You just have different prejudices.

Against promiscuity?  Guilty as charged...

But I don't discriminate depending on the TYPE of promiscuity...



June


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[CTRL] Organics, pesticides, GM foods

1999-07-09 Thread piper


This "seems" to be a VERY good page for those
intrested in Organics, pesticides, GM foods ...

http://www.rain.org/~sals/darkside.html
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Title: Why




  

  

Pesticide Action Network
North America  (PANNA) is a nonprofit citizen-based NGO that
  advocates adoption of ecologically sound practices in place of pesticide
  use. PANNA works with over 90 affiliated organizations in Canada, Mexico
  and the U.S., and more than 400 PAN partner groups around the world, to
  promote sustainable agriculture, food security and social justice, and
  demand that development agencies and governments redirect support from
  pesticides to safe alternatives. 

Worst
First. PDF format There is a raging national debate
  over whether farmers can survive without currently registered products.It
  is love of money against health again. It is about High-Risk Insecticide
  Uses,Childrens's Foods and Safer Alternatives. Don't panic buy organic.Industry
Influence Prevents Government From Protecting Public Health


  *Appendix I. California Certified Organic Farmers, Inc. Special Production
  in Response to the Request by the U.S. Dept. of agriculture for comments
  to the National Organic Program Proposed Rule, 1998.* California Certified
  Organic Farmers (CCOF). Reiterates CCOF's prohibition of the use of
  genetically engineered organisms and their products in any form or at any
  stage in organic production, processing or handling. Includes articles
  regarding ethical, moral, spiritual, scientific and regulatory reasons for
  prohibiting genetically engineered organisms in all organic production.
  156 pp. For ordering information, contact California Certified Organic
  Farmers, 1115 Mission St., Santa Cruz, CA 95060; phone (408) 423-2263; fax
  (408) 423-4528. 

Press here and go to CCOFThe
  Califorina Certified Organic Farmers Homepage . CCOF now certifies
  processors and handlers nationwide. 

Frontline-Fooling
with Nature/Many scientists believe that wildlife are like canaries
  in a coal mine: they are indicators of when a health threat is near.
  Manmade chemicals have caused serious damage in wildlife populations.
  Therefore the question is - could humans be next? 

NEWS OF FLORIDA LAWSUIT
CHARGING MEDIA COVERUP OF SUSPECTED DAIRY DANGERPress to hear
  4-part
series of reportsat the heart of this dipute (filed as
  Exhibit K in Wilson/Akre v New World Communications of Tampa
  Fox-TV.

Pest
sprays take gloss off fruit and veg 

The
Quality of Our Nation's WaterState Fact Sheets check out your state
  .

Use
Your Voice DEMAND a Choice homepage asking for labelling of all
  genetically modified foods Remember you do
  not have to panic you can still buy organic as the USDA saves
  the day please read
  FUNDAMENTAL
CHANGES IN REVISED PROPOSED RULE ON ORGANIC STANDARDS

our unwanted guest pesticides!!
  PESTICIDES,
ORGANIC  PEACOCK PAGE unwanted drifting of pesticides to
  non-targeted areas.This includes people wanting to be certified as organic
  and people wanting to be free of pesticides.

.:An
index of the day's issues: HOST: RICHARD HARRIS HOUR ONE: ORGANIC
  FOOD STANDARDS GUESTS: Tom O'Brien Associate Administrator, Agricultural
  Marketing Service U.S. Department of Agriculture Washington, DC
  Joan Gussow Member National Organic Standards Board
  Thank you Joan it is not going to be easy. Professor Emeritus,
  Nutrition and Education Teacher's College Columbia University New York,
  New York Christine Bruhn Director, Center for Consumer Research University
  of California Davis, California Earlier this month, in response to an
  unprecedented deluge of letters, faxes and e-mails, the Department of
  Agriculture announced that it would revise its proposed rules on what
  foods can be labelled organic. In this hour, we'll take a look at the
  science and politics behind organic foods.

USDA AMS
National Organic Program Proposed Rule Search for Posted CommentsI
  always check out what people have to say about the fees.What this new law
  is going to cost in fees. that is my question? Pay Pay Pay there will be
  so many paper pushers that this law forces growers to pay off beside the
  USDA that small growers like me are going to feel it. . . I don't know how
  long the sight will be up but it is good reading. while it lasts. .

A
Shopper's Guide to Pesticides in Produce

Welcome to The Save
Organic Foundation We want the USDA to rewrite its Proposed Rule to
  be truthful and consistent with

Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative

1999-07-09 Thread Ynr Chyldz Wyld


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From: day [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sorry, Juney, that you feel quoting the word of God is wicked.


The name is 'June', not 'Juney'; and you are not 'quoting' the word of God,
but taking it out of context.


If you embrace homosexuals for their lifestyle without trying to
do God's will and change them from their evil doings, then you
are the wicked one.

I see much more wickedness coming from straights, than I ever have from a
homosexual...

Why don't you spread your wicked venom towards all the other great evils
perpetuated by straights?

Seems to me you're a little to focused on gays, probably because you're a
closet one yourself.


Now, go fly a kite!

Thank you, I consider it a great past-time, an activity in which one can
truly touch the Spirit of God...



June


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Re: [CTRL] The Church and Jewish Ideology -Sobran


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From: nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 all the relevant stuff is suppressed or censored.

 If it's suppressed or censored you haven't read it.
 If you haven't read it, how do you know it's relevant?

The same ways that politicos, preachers and pundits know to
denounce films they haven't seen, books they haven't read,
games they haven't played, experiences they haven't had:
imagination; channeling; divine messages; mind-control rays.
Whenever anyone 'knows' such crypto-material, they've been
affected by such processes.  Ain't remote viewing wonderful?

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[CTRL] GLOBAL WORKING GROUPS, I

1999-07-09 Thread U.P. Secr


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WORKERS OF ALL COUNTRIES, UNITE !

In their class struggle for survival, the
workers not only have to fight against the
class enemy per se.

At least as dangerous as the capital power
itself are its agents within the working
class: The leaderships of the trade unions.

In particular in the North almost all trade
union leaders at top level are, at least
mentally, corrupt.

In particular they systematically use their
influence for sabotaging the only efficient
weapon of the workers:
the strike.

All progressive workers therefore should
unite to form a global movement with a
structure that discourages power-hungry
careerists from seeking power here.

Some of the main tasks could be:

1. Together with the other movements /
committees (e.g. consumers, farmers,
fisherfolk, outcasts, environmentalists,
human rights, culture, women, youth,
indigneous peoples, alternative economists)
to set up a strategy for the internationalization
of the corporations

2. Globally organizing and coordinating
solidarity actions in the daily class
struggles.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]  is hereby opened
as provisional contact point.

The organizers,
the formative world parliament of
the united peoples
http://www.unitedpeoples.net

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Re: [CTRL] The Church and Jewish Ideology -Sobran


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- Original Message -
From: Damian B. Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 At 08:55 PM 7/8/99 -0700, Ric Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Read some history.  Then read some more history.

 Gee.  I would love to.  But all the relevant stuff is suppressed
 or censored.

Of course.  It's all a Conspiracy.  And all the information that you
*think* you know about The Conspiracy is controlled by The Conspiracy,
was fed to you so that you'd think the way you do; thus you're a pawn
of The Conspiracy, the same as all the rest of us.  Whatever really
happened, is happening, will happen, is totally unknowable to us.
Everything you know is a lie.  Everything.  Accept that, and you'll
begin to understand your place in the Order Of Things.

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[CTRL] Fw: Phone Tapping Danger Signs Findout Inside

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Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 10:33 AM
Subject: Phone Tapping Danger Signs Findout Inside

Yours was a Great Posting.  Because you posted your
info I think you will be interested in the below information.
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Re: [CTRL] (Fwd) Release: egg warning 3-3

1999-07-09 Thread piper


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If you followed my train of thought from the last time
you need to also think about when the world has had legitamite
progress.

Are we to become complacinte and placide or too agressive?
Will we end up buying the equivalent to snake oil if we meet
an intergalactic culture?
Will we throw out all our history and try to replace it with theirs?
And then have them sell us our history and culture - right back?

Think of what has happened in America and coralate it with
what is happening between Scotland and England.

The Black American wants their historical figures
to be taught in history classes at the loss of teaching
all about Washington and others since it seems as if
some people do not think that White Americans  were
politically correct.  This leads to history classes NOT
always teaching about historical aprenticships and serfs
and debters prisons.
In other words that Black American thinks that they have
to re-invent the wheel.

America went for a time when there was very low crime
and now parents are having to teach their children not to
talk to stangers.  Didn't many fairy tale come about because
of this very same thing?  But many fairy tales are not politically
correct!

Canabolism and pedifilia are to of the worse areas there are
but did they ever leave?  In some countries Canabolism is still
alive - but teaching that as history is not correct either.
In some European countries this has happened and been in
the news in the last few years.  America had the "Son of Sam"
A major South American city has children that are called
"paranas"

So if Scotland is capable of getting rid of  the Lords and Ladies
and the "Culture (history) Inherite" in their titles, what will happen
to the UK then?  But they can keep it from happening?  Reference
what is happening to the Black American that thinks they have
 to re-invent the wheel.
If it was not for the Royal Houses and my wanting to find out the
historical reasons for them I would not have made the connections
that I have.  Even elected Presidents have the capability of becoming
dictators.  I think the UK seems to have a good system, and that
the American people are still here, that the idea of a Constitutional
Republic is still alive and well in America, but I also think that
both can work!

2)
If we go to space with plants what is to keep us from
becoming complacint?  No inventions or culture?
I say that the only way I can visualize it is if we are
multiligual and multicultural so that different ideas and
thought are carried on - NOT homozinized into one
language or culture.  Monoploy will kill us as a species.

I also want a fur coat!  If fur animals are not well kept they
have stress and they means that they can "blow coat" or have
a bad coat.  Many of those animals are better treated and fed
then parents KNOW to feed their children.
So why would people want to get rid of farm bred fur animals?
Because the breeders would see the effects of bad food items
a lot faster than farmers of domestic animals.  The fur breeders
just might blow the whistle!

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[CTRL] Don't Panic Eat Organic

1999-07-09 Thread piper


This is the main site.
http://www.rain.org/~sals/my.html

Would someone post the reason why
you should not drink pasterized milk,
I have lost it.
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The true test is to give a man power.
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Title: Don't Panic Eat Organic




  

  



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  Eat Organic Homepage was Last Updated July 7,1999 

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Artificial Perches for RaptorsPress
  if you want the plans and instructions to build perches 

SIGHTS  SOUNDS FROM THE RAPTOR CENTER where you will find pictures
  and calls of RaptorsThe
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Non-target
effects of Bt corn pollen on the Monarch butterfly (Lepidoptera:
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Giant
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The Prince of
Wales web sight

Mr. L. London has done a great job on this pageYou might want to try a
  web,Metalab and Permaculture online searchable database:PERMACULTURE
Discussion Forum -+- your port of entry to an expanding global network
of landtech pioneers -+- or a permaculture course etc. keep an eye
  on this one site

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market
for organic food has now reached critical mass

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food
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when needed to treat people. Don't Panic buy organic

the
agency FDA did not require special labeling of a food that contained an
irradiated ingredient but that had not itself been irradiated. Senator
  Harkin also suggests the use of alternative terms as ``cold
  pasteurization'' or ``electronic pasteurization'' in any irradiation
  disclosure statement. get ready for more double talk. AS for me. I Don't
  Panic I buy organic

Organic Consumers
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InterGarden The
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New
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Organic
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If you can't take the heat you don't want to go here.The
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This is a talk by Jan Dietrick Rincon-Vitova
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Information
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USDA
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The Organic Materials Review
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Notes from Farm

[CTRL] [13] Other Altars


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an excerpt from:
Other Altars - Roots and Realities of Cultic and Satanic Ritual Abuse and
Multiple Personality Disorder
Craig Lockwood©1993
CompCare Publishers
3850 Annapolis Lane, Suite 100
Minneapolis, MN 55441
612.559.4800/800.328.3330
ISBN 0-89638-363-6
255+pps  out-of-print/one edition.
-
A very interesting and excellent book.
Om
K
--[13]--

Chapter 13

Assembling The Adversary:
Constructing Satan

"From the very beginning the Devil has been a killer of men, nor has he ever
ceased to drive men bereft of piety to slaughter and murder."

-Demonolatria, 1595

Satan, meanwhile, was undergoing a transformation. After the first Council of
Nicea's codification of Christian belief in 325 A.D., and later in 787, Satan
moved from his Old Testament position as the reptilian "adversary" too a
being who possessed distinctly Mediterranean and northeastern European
qualities.

Gone were the scales, the lizard-like qualities of a desert deity, the old
Judaic tempter whom St. Augustine had railed against in his fifth-century
treatise The City of God. In his place emerged a leering, hooved,
shaggy-coated creature sporting a huge erect phallusa lecherous
GreekPriapic/Celtic-Druidic/Pan-like goat.

Nor did the pious fathers of Rome have to look far to find him. He, or
something very much like him, could be found in every nook, cranny, and
forest glade throughout the continent.

During the period following the second Nicean Council, witchcraft was still
treated ambiguously by Rome. Local prelates tolerated the Pagan traditions,
and occult practices of all kinds were known to exist within the body of the
church. Beyond that, Charlemagne's success in conquering the Saxons was
outstripping Rome's ability to convert them.

Conversion and baptism were reputed to be expeditiously simplified on
occasion. Charlemagne originated "Operation Instant Christian." Stationing a
bishop upstream to bless the river, thousands of peasants were assembled on
the banks and driven through two cordons of the emperor's troops.

Superficial conversions of this type could not be expected to exert any
lasting spiritual effect. Other kinds of force were needed to eradicate the
Pagan influences, which were proving far more difficult to do away with than
Rome had anticipated.

Perhaps the church wanted to identify all prior religious traditions as
unequivocally evil. Paganism's randy old goat-god seemed common to all, and
this may account for Satan's sudden emergence with horns and goat's legs and
a proclivity to licentiousness, not unlike those urges so readily decried by
Rome as bedeviling the still-Pagan masses.

Ample precedent existed. As Sally Hill and Jean Goodwin pointed out in the
Dissociation article "Satanism: Similarities Between Patient Accounts and
Pre-Inquisition Historical Sources," elements that would eventually become
identified with satanic ritual, and which appear throughout recorded history,
are reported by pre-Christian Romans and later in the early annals of the
church  Certain Gnostic Christian cults may have followed a number of ritual
practices similar to those reported in accounts of modern "satanic" worship.

Beginning in the second century A.D., Roman documents describe rituals that
included infanticide, cannibalism, and incest as practiced by certain
Christian sects. Usually religiously tolerant, the Romans felt this behavior
went too far and outlawed these cults.

Historians disagree as to the authenticity of these claims. Rumors such as
these had been heard years before against Jews in Alexandria. Norman Cohn in
Europe's Inner Demons attributed these accounts to an active Roman propaganda
campaign leveled at Christians because they showed little regard for Roman
institutions and were thus potentially dangerous.

Gnoshing with the Gnostics

St. Clement of Alexandria, writing in the third century, attempted to
distinguish traditional Christian doctrine and practices from those he
attributed to the Gnostics-heretical Christians whose rituals the Roman
government found intolerably offensive.

Gnosticism, from the Greek gnosis, "to know," had emerged during
Christianity's formative years. A dualistic system with roots in Persian
Zoroastrianism, Gnostics tended to view the world and matter as evil, while
focusing their ritual techniques on attaining illumination through the world
of the spirit.[1]

Gnostics believed in a hidden spiritual knowledge composed of esoteric truths
that underpinned traditional Christian doctrine. By undergoing certain
initiations and practicing certain rituals, which represented an initiatory
pathway, the initiate could receive wisdom and illumination.

Gnostic sects differed greatly in what they believed and practiced, but the
central theme of gnosticism was a reliance on knowledge rather than faith

Theological documentation from the Nag Hammadi Library, a collection of
Gnostic writings discovered in an ancient cemetery near Cairo in 1945, was
translated and

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Secretary Lawrence Summers. I know people have called Robert Rubin the best 
Treasury Secretary since Alexander Hamilton so I know you have some big 
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development plan envisioned by the Clinton administration to stabilize the 
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ROBERT FISK, INDEPENDENT, LONDON: [A CNN reporter] "astounded one of his 
English colleagues after NATO had bombed a narrow road bridge in the 
Yugoslav village of Varvarin, killing dozens of civilians, many of whom fell 
to their death in the River Morava. That'll teach them not to stand on 
bridges,' he roared" This was not the kind of language he used on air, of 
course, where CNN's report on the bridge killings was accompanied by the 
remark that there had been civilian casualties according to the Serb 
authorities'all this when CNN's own crew had been there and filmed the 
decapitated corpse of the local priest  Two days before NATO bombed the 
Serb Television headquarters in Belgrade, CNN received a tip from its 
Atlanta headquarters that the building was to be destroyed. They were told 
to remove their facilities from the premises at once, which they did. A day 
later, Serbian Information Minister Aleksander Vucic received a faxed 
invitation from the Larry King Live show in the US to appear on CNN. They 
wanted him on air at 2:30 in the morning of 23 April and asked him to arrive 
at Serb Television half an hour early for make-up. Vucic was latewhich was 
just as well for him since NATO missiles slammed into the building at six 
minutes past two. The first one exploded in the make-up room where [a] young 
Serb assistant was burned to death. CNN calls this all a coincidence, saying 
that the Larry King show, put out by the entertainment division, did not 
know of the news department's instruction to its men to leave the Belgrade 
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2. Study: Hepatitis C Has Reached Epidemic Proportions Among
   Intravenous Drug Users
   http://www.drcnet.org/wol/098.html#hepc

3. New Mexico Alliance Formed in Response to Governor's Call
   for Decriminalization Debate
   http://www.drcnet.org/wol/098.html#nmalliance

4. Berkeley City Council Wants Marijuana Decriminalized
   Further
   http://www.drcnet.org/wol/098.html#berkeleydecrim

5. DEA Reschedules Marinol
   http://www.drcnet.org/wol/098.html#marinol

6. Summer Brown Bag Lunch Video and Lecture Series,
   Washington, DC
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7. EDITORIAL:  The Heat Is On
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2. Study: Hepatitis C Has Reached Epidemic Proportions Among
   Intravenous Drug Users

Taylor West, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

A study recently released by the Johns Hopkins University
School of Public Health sheds light on the epidemic of the
liver disease Hepatitis C that has quietly torn through the
nation's injection drug-using populations.  The study found
that in Baltimore, a city known both for its serious drug
problems and its progressive approach to solving them, over
90% of intravenous drug users are infected with the
Hepatitis C virus, or HCV.

HCV is a disease that attacks the liver, and currently it is
the number one reason for liver transplants in the United
States.  The virus may reside in the body for long periods
of time without any noticeable effects, and in fact may
never lead to liver disease in many of those it infects.
However, those that it attacks may suffer liver failure or
cancer of the liver 10 or 15 years down the road.
Furthermore, the attack of HCV is highly exacerbated if the
infected person also has HIV, and activities that strain the
liver, such as alcohol consumption, can greatly increase its
negative effects.

HCV, like HIV, is transmitted from person to person by the
contact of bodily fluids, accounting for its prevalence
among injection drug users who share needles and other
equipment.  However, HCV is much more easily transmitted due
to the high density of its particles in infected blood.

Joey Tranchina, Executive Director of the AIDS/Hepatitis
Prevention ACTION Network, illustrated the importance of
this phenomenon with a simple mental image.  Imagine an
eyedropper of blood placing a single drop in the palm of
your hand, he explained.  If that blood is HIV positive,
there are perhaps five particles of HIV present in that
drop.  "If that same drop is infected with HCV," he said,
"the Hep C particle count is at least 100,000."

The ease with which HCV can be transmitted, combined with
the relatively small amount of attention the disease has
garnered to date, has created an explosion of the virus
among

[CTRL] Clinton Uses IRS To Punish Critics (fwd)


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July 1999


Clinton Uses IRS To Punish Critics

by Larry Klayman Judicial Watch

Imagine you founded an organization
dedicated to the preservation of basic
principles upon which this country has
thrived. Issues like individual freedom,
personal responsibility, and ethics in
journalism. Not horrible terms, and not
even so much because you wanted to
antagonize those who didnt share your
view; rather, because you firmly believed
in these principles as a means by which an
orderly society should function.

Imagine then if you lived under a
government which didnt share your
principles, and because they didnt, they
decided -- as arbitrarily as you would
choose a movie -- that they would send an
investigatory body like the IRS into your
offices to interrogate you without cause.
Try to envision a group of these detached
individuals camped in your office, rifling
through your personal papers, admitting to
you that it was a political inquiry, and then
making claims to be compiled into formal
charges against you. What youve just
heard is what the Western Journalism
Center went through with its own
government -- the Clinton Administration.

Perhaps one of the most startling and
disturbing accounts of the Nixon
Presidency, beyond Water-gate itself, was
Nixon, on tape, discussing with chilling
detachment, plans to use the IRS to
threaten political opponents. In 1974, this
was a landmark and most egregious breach
of the public trust. Today, despite the
Clintons systematic testing of Americans
threshold of tolerance, the song does, and
must, remain the same.

The story of the Western Journalism center
started with a simple, if bulky, White
House document and ended in a $10
million lawsuit filed by Judicial Watch
against the IRS for abuse of power. Like
any good story, it takes the requisite twists
and turns, often leaving the viewer or
reader befuddled as to how people placed
in a position of trust can bring themselves
to act as they do.

The Communication Stream of Conspiracy
Commerce, a 331-page manifesto and
brainchild of Associate White House
Counsel Jane Sherburne and the DNC,
was circulated to select reporters in a
tortured effort to describe how the right
wing conveyed fringe stories into
mainstream American media. In essence,
this document was an effort to alert
friendly journalists that such a
conspiracy was being promulgated by
certain groups dissatisfied with the moral
lapses of the Clinton White House. In
short, it was an enemies list.

Joseph Farah, an award-winning journalist
and former editor of The Sacramento
Union, founded the Western Journalism
Center in 1991. A credentialed publisher of
numerous periodicals that specialize in
investigative reporting, WJCs efforts have
been the focus of articles in The Wall
Street Journal, The Washington Post,
Investors Business Daily, and dozens of
other publications.

Armed with its breadth of prior success,
WJC began investigating the
circumstances surrounding Vince Fosters
death -- circumstances widely reported to
be, at minimum, slightly unusual. Taking
out ads in The Washington Times, New
York Times, Washington Post and Los
Angeles Times, WJC raised major
questions and inconsistencies about
Fosters death -- echoing the sentiments of
journalist Christopher Ruddy,

[CTRL] The White House had no role in the Flynt investigation (fwd)


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Source:

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3785c9f55935.htm

Moldea: "The White House had no role in the Flynt investigation"

News/Current Events News
Source: moldea.com
Published: July 9, 1999 Author: Dan E. Moldea
Posted on 07/09/1999 03:07:49 PDT by moldea

On March 3, Representative Bob Barr (R-Georgia) sent a letter to
the U.S. Department of Justice, which stated: This request for
an investigation focuses on attacks, and threats of attacks on
members of Congress before and during the [Senate impeachment]
trial; specifically the House Managers. These attacks came from
Larry Flynt, James Carville, Dan Moldea, and other individuals,
and represent what appeared to be a deliberate and concentrated
effort to impede the House of Representatives from fulfilling its
duties under the United States Constitution to conduct matters
relating to the impeachment of the President, first in the House
of Representatives and then in the Senate.

Barrs letter followed similar complaints and requests to the
Justice Departments Criminal Division from the Landmark Legal
Foundation, the Republican National Committee, and a variety of
private citizens. They charged Flynt and me with blackmail, jury
tampering, and obstructing the Senate trial, among other
allegations.

Of course, no formal charges were, or could reasonably be,
pressed against us.

On June 25, apparently because we werent indicted,
Representative Barr filed suit against the Executive Office of
the President (EOP) and the U.S. Department of Justice in the
U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. In this civil
litigation, Barr, represented by Judicial Watch, alleged, among
other things: Defendant EOPs willful and intentional release of
records and information concerning Plaintiff to persons such as
Flynt, Carville, Moldea and/or others, without prior written
consent or knowledge of Plaintiff, or any lawful justification
violates . . . relevant provisions of the Privacy Act.

I wish to state for the record--before the Barr case is dismissed
and the other charges by Landmark and the RNC are long
forgotten--that all of these allegations against Larry Flynt and
me are false and misleading.

Also, I state the following:

* From the outset of my participation in the Flynt project, I
recognized that--sooner or later, if I did a good job--I might be
called to testify, somewhere or someplace. Consequently, I was
extremely careful about whom I did and did not contact. Neither
Flynt nor I even considered any communication with anyone at the
White House. And the White House never attempted to contact us.

* Contrary to the wild claims by the anti-Clinton media--The
Washington Times, The New York Post, The Wall Street Journals
editorial page, and Fox-TV--as well as a variety of conservative
congressmen and senators, televangelist Jerry Falwell, and
beneficiaries of Richard Scaifes money (like Landmark and
Judicial Watch), I had no contact or communication with anyone at
the White House or any of their outside operatives before,
during, or after my participation in the Flynt investigation. My
widely discussed--and grossly misrepresented--meeting with one of
the Presidents attorneys on June 26, 1998, is fully discussed in
my sworn affidavit to Judge Norma Holloway Johnson about OIC
leaks, which is posted on my web site.

* I have never met or spoken to James Carville, for whom I have
great respect, even though he wrote favorably about me in his
book, And the Horse He Rode In On (pp. 104-105). For that matter,
I do not know and have never had a private conversation with
either Terry Lenzner or Sidney Blumenthal, both of whom I also
greatly respect. (Prior to the Flynt project, I met each of them
once at separate book parties for other authors.) However, I do
regret that--in order to provide cover for me while I continued
my work in the midst of the firestorm after Representative Bob
Livingston announced his resignation on December 19--Flynt was
forced to remain coy about whether he had hired Lenzner. In fact,
he had not. To be clear: Carville, Lenzner, and Blumenthal had no
role in, or connection with, our investigation.

* If there were any other investigators involved in our project,
other than me, I am unaware of them. And, even if there were,
where is their work? I began and completed the investigations of
Representative Livingston and Representative Barr, and those were
the only two Flynt made public.

* I made no mistakes in my reporting during this project; no
factual errors have been alleged by anyone. Also, to my
knowledge, only one source received any money from Flynt. Many
still believe that someone had sold out Representative Livingston
for a financial reward. This is not true. My source on Livingston
never asked me for anything and never received anything.

* The purpose of our project was to expose hypocrisy, knowing
that it was in abundant supply among the Presidents critics. We
believed that a public official is entitled

[CTRL] OT: Study: Search engines lagging behind expansion of Internet (fwd)


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http://cnn.com/TECH/computing/9907/08/search.engines.ap/

Study: Search engines lagging behind expansion of Internet

July 8, 1999
Web posted at: 2:23 a.m. EDT (0623 GMT)

PRINCETON, New Jersey (AP) -- Internet search engines aren't keep
pace with the explosive growth of the Web, researchers reported
today in the journal Nature.

Their study found that search engines -- which enable a computer
user to find information by typing in a word or combination of
words -- cover a diminishing fraction of Web pages and take a
long time to list new sites.

The most comprehensive engine, Northern Light, covers only about
one-sixth of the Internet pages that search engines can reach,
the study found. That is down from one-third for the best engine
18 months ago.

Statistics: Internet search engines and the percentage of the
searchable Web that they cover, according to computer scientists
Steve Lawrence and C. Lee Giles at NEC Research Institute in
Princeton, New Jersey.

Northern Light: 16.0
Snap: 15.5
Altavista: 15.5
HotBot: 11.3
Microsoft: 8.5
Infoseek: 8.0
Google: 7.8
Yahoo: 7.4
Excite: 5.6
Lycos: 2.5
Euroseek: 2.2

Northern Light is closely followed by Snap and Altavista. Hotbot,
which led with 34 percent coverage in the previous study, was
down to 11 percent.

The study also found that it takes more than six months on
average for a new Web page to make it into a search engine's
listings.

The study of 11 search engines was conducted by computer
scientists Steve Lawrence and C. Lee Giles at the NEC Research
Institute in Princeton, New Jersey.

Lawrence and Giles estimated that as of February, the searchable
Web consisted of 800 million pages containing more than 6
trillion characters. Their December 1997 survey put the number of
pages at about 320 million. By comparison, the 532 miles of
shelves in the Library of Congress contain an estimated 20
trillion characters.

Search engines use computers called "spiders" that continuously
surf the Web. They save each page they visit, then follow the
links on the page to find other pages. When a user types in a
word, the engine looks in its index to see which pages contain
it. A page that's not listed in the index will not be found.

The spiders are more likely to find pages that have more links
going to them from other pages. Lawrence said that may make it
hard for new sites to make it into search engine listings.

Lawrence also said search engines may be lagging because their
databases become more expensive as they grow, without necessarily
creating more advertising profits.

Marc Krellenstein, chief technical officer at Northern Light,
said he believes the fraction covered by the search engines is
actually larger, because he considers the study's estimate of the
size of the Web a bit high.

Krellenstein also questioned whether search engines need to
concern themselves with every new site. He said they focus on
good sites that are of more interest to users.

"The fact that the Web is growing so fast doesn't mean the
quality part is growing as fast," he said.

Copyright 1999 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.


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[CTRL] (Fwd) Pinochet, Democratization


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*** THE PINOCHET CASE: AN END TO IMPUNITY? ***
by Sarah Anderson

*** U.S. DEMOCRATIZATION ASSISTANCE ***
by Elizabeth Cohn


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*** THE VANITY AND LAZINESS OF REPORTERS ***

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*** THE PINOCHET CASE: AN END TO IMPUNITY? ***
by Sarah Anderson

On October 16, 1998, the world was stunned to learn of the arrest in
London of Augusto Pinochet, the former Chilean dictator who had become an
international symbol of ironclad impunity. After numerous failed legal
battles, Pinochet remained in British custody as of June 1999, facing
possible extradition to Spain, where a judge has indicted him for "crimes
against humanity." Even if the Spanish authorities fail to put Pinochet on
trial, their efforts must be appreciated as a historic struggle, not only
against Pinochet, but in the broader fight for international human rights.
Here are a few of the most important implications of the case:

1. Globalization of Human Rights

This is the first case in which a national government is charging a former
head of state with crimes against humanity. A 1985 Spanish law enables
foreigners to be tried in Spain for "crimes against humanity" even though
the crimes were committed outside the country. Under this type of
"universal jurisdiction" perpetrators of crimes against humanity,
including genocide, terrorism, and torture, are considered "enemies of
all." One stipulation in the Spanish law is that the case must not have
been prosecuted in any other country. The Pinochet case meets this
condition because the former dictator granted himself immunity from
prosecution in Chile.

2. Broader Definition of Genocide

The Spanish judges in charge of the case against Pinochet are attempting
to broaden the definition of "genocide" by arguing that Pinochet is guilty
of this crime for slaughtering more than 3,000 people--not because of
their race or ethnicity but because of their politics. All of the victims
were labeled "subversives."

3. Bad Dreams for Dictators

The case has unleashed numerous attempts to hold other dictators
accountable for their crimes. For example, in France, the courts are
considering "Pinocheting" former Haitian ruler Jean Claude Duvalier.
Laurent Kabila from the Congo sent an advance team to Brussels to get it
in writing that he would not be "Pinocheted" upon his arrival in that
country. Only time will tell if Pinochet's fate will make future leaders
think twice before committing these types of atrocities.

4. Revealing the Need for U.S. Truth and Reconciliation

The U.S. government has failed to take a strong position on the Pinochet
case. Although Spanish authorities requested in 1997 that the U.S.
government submit materials from its files related to Pinochet, it wasn't
until June 30 (just last week) that the U.S. government released the first
installment of newly declassified documents related to human rights abuses
in Chile from 1973-1978. The release was in response to a February 1, 1999
"tasker" from the National Security Council requesting review and
declassification of relevant documents from the CIA, National Archives,
and the Departments of Defense, State, and Justice.

The release consists of over 5,800 documents, including approximately
5,000 from the Department of State, 490 from the CIA, 200 from the
National Archives, 100 from the FBI, and 60 from the Department of
Defense.

Although the Clinton Administration is to be applauded for taking action,
there are strong reasons for concern about CIA compliance. As noted, only
500 documents in this installment were from the CIA. Based on what is
already known about relations between the CIA and the Pinochet regime,
there are sure to be thousands more in the Agency's files. Unfortunately,
the NSC tasker contains language that gives the Agency a loophole by
requesting the review of only those documents that are subject to
disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act. This allows the CIA to
exempt many of its "operational files" from even being searched.

At the request of the Justice Department (DOJ), the government withheld
key documents related to the 1976 murders by Pinochet's agents of
Institute for Policy Studies (IPS) colleagues Orlando Letelier and Ronni
Karpen

[CTRL] Saddam Claims U.N. Waging Germ Warfare (fwd)

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Source:

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/ap/ap_headlines/story.html?s=v/ap/19990709/ts/iraq_germ_warfare_2.html

Friday July 9 10:15 AM ET

Saddam: U.N. Waging Germ Warfare

By LEON BARKHO
Associated Press Writer

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - President Saddam Hussein has accused the
United Nations of mounting a secret germ war against Iraq, citing
his government's accusation that a U.N. employee bred locust eggs
to harm Iraqi crops.

In remarks carried by three state-run newspapers today, Saddam
also charged U.N. employees in Iraq of theft, mainly of
archaeological treasures, for sale abroad.

The United Nations did not immediately respond to the
allegations, the harshest and most serious ever made by Iraq. It
was even more unusual that the accusations came personally from
the Iraqi leader who made no effort to mince his words.

On Thursday, Ian Broughton, a New Zealander working on the United
Nation's mine-clearing operations in northern Iraq, left the
country after he was accused of breeding and planting eggs of
locusts, insects that destroy crops.

The United Nations withdrew Broughton after the government
demanded his expulsion. The government produced no evidence
against Broughton, and a U.N. statement said Thursday that
Broughton was not even in the area on April 8 when he is alleged
to have buried the eggs near the border town of Khanaqin in the
northeast.

Addressing high-ranking officials of the ruling Baath Party on
Thursday, Saddam said Broughton was acting on behalf of
intelligence services of foreign states.

``This action is not personal. It is the work of states and
intelligence agencies belonging to them,'' he said without naming
the countries.

``The aim of those burying locust eggs ... or transferring
viruses and germs to Iraq is to harm public health and lower
quantities of food available to Iraqis,'' Saddam was quoted as
saying.

He did not substantiate his allegation about the transfer of
germs and viruses.

``The enemies were using the United Nations as a means to spread
diseases among the people of Iraq ... There is a germ which is
breeding (here) under the cover of the United Nations,'' he said.

Saddam said most of the U.N. staff in Iraq, whether involved in
disarmament activities or relief distribution, are spies and
thieves.

``The Iraqi people are aware that the majority, but not all, of
U.N. employees have been engaged in stealing Iraqi antiquities.
They are seen spending the day in markets buying anything that
will bring them a profit abroad,'' Saddam said.

In the past such charges were only made against U.N. weapons
inspectors who left Iraq last year shortly before the United
States and Britain launched airstrikes to punish Iraq for
allegedly failing to meet its disarmament obligations.

Iraq has vowed not to let the inspectors set foot in the country
again.

U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan has admitted that spies
recruited by the CIA had infiltrated the ranks of U.N. weapons
inspectors in Iraq.

Since the inspectors left the country, the government has stepped
up attacks on U.N. relief workers who supervise and administer
the implementation of the oil-for-food deal in Iraq.

The United Nations denies that any of its nearly 400 relief
workers has ever been involved in spying.

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[CTRL] Back Orifice - it's baaak!


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 Mike Elgan's Win Letter 45 - Friday, July 2, 1999
 http://www.winmag.com/people/melgan/winletter/45.htm

 excerpt:

 Back Orifice (B.O.) - it's baaak!

 I announced in Win Letter 17 that a malicious Trojan-horse
 virus called Back Orifice was on the loose.  Back Orifice
 (B.O.) gives hackers unauthorized access to the desktops of
 victims' Win95 and Win98 PCs that are connected to the
 Internet.  Well, don't look now, but it's baaak!  The "Cult
 of the Dead Cow," which makes B.O., says it will release its
 new Back Orifice 2000 on July 9.  The new, improved version
 of the virus enables hackers to write plug-ins.  And, unlike
 its predecessor, B.O. 2000 works on Windows NT in addition
 to Windows.  To protect yourself, make sure you're running
 a good anti-virus program and updating it regularly.  You're
 going to hear a lot about this new virus, but remember: You
 heard it here first.  Eventually, it's likely that Microsoft
 will post a security bulletin on this site.  When they do,
 they'll post it here:

 http://www.microsoft.com/security/bulletins/current.asp



 Cool Trivia Answer

 A Russian hacker recently cracked a U.S. government computer
 system and rerouted a print job to Russia before re-rerouting
 it back to the printer.  Last week's question was "Which
 government agency was hacked"?

 Answer:  The U.S. Space and Naval Systems Warfare Center
 (Spa War) in San Diego, Calif.  The print-job hijack was
 discovered by Ron Broersma, a Spa War network operations
 engineer.  Broersma noticed that a print job took too long,
 so he used monitoring tools to make the discovery.  No one
 knows how many print jobs were read or what people or
 agencies in Russia received them.





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[CTRL] Columbia, The Gem of?


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 Published Friday, July 9, 1999, in the Miami Herald



 In Colombia, everyday `awful things' stranger than fiction

 By JUAN O. TAMAYO
 Herald Staff Writer

 BOGOTA, Colombia -- One wonders what Colombian novelist Gabriel
 Garcia Marquez, creator of the magical world of Macondo, would
 have made of this recent story in the newspaper El Tiempo:

 Iran's ambassador in Bogota had pledged $2 million to build a
 slaughterhouse in a remote Colombian town ruled by leftist
 guerrillas. The beef will be butchered according to Koranic law,
 and exported to Tehran.

 Or this one:

 In a country with a murder rate eight times higher than the
 United States, the army's 4th Mechanized Group in the
 northwestern department of Antioquia raffled off a 9mm pistol to
 raise funds for social activities.

 Or this: Government officials recently issued two-way radios to
 two jailed guerrilla chiefs so they could negotiate the recent
 release of some 80 hostages, including 51 kidnapped by rebels
 from a church in the midst of Mass.

 As odd as those stories may appear, none were deemed unusual
 enough here to appear on the front pages.

 After half a century of some of the worst political and criminal
 bloodshed in Latin America, Colombians appear to have grown
 almost inured to stunning levels of violence, warfare and drug
 scandals.

 Thursday, for example, the Colombian army reported intense
 fighting with guerrillas in a town just 32 miles south of Bogota,
 but few in the capital showed any sign of knowing or caring.

 ``Many Colombians consider that this country has always lived in
 crisis, and that violence is a constant in our history as a
 nation with which we must coexist,'' wrote El Tiempo columnist
 Carlos Caballero Argaez.

 A car bomb with 440 pounds of explosives found and disarmed in
 Bogota last month got a one-day run on front pages. The
 radio-controlled bomb appeared to have been aimed at the Bogota
 chief of police.

 ``We are so immersed in violence that we are accustomed to it,''
 lawyer and kidnap mediator Tomas Moore said. ``Terrible things
 are commonplace. Awful things are the norm. And every day things
 get worse.''



 Outrageous mayhem

 In his novel One Hundred Years of Solitude, Garcia Marquez
 reflected some of Colombia's outrageous mayhem -- the war between
 Liberal and Conservative party bands in the 1930s and '40s is
 known as La Violencia, The Violence.

 ``We have had to ask but little of imagination, for our crucial
 problem has been a lack of conventional means to render our lives
 believable,'' he said in his Nobel prize acceptance speech in
 1984.

 But even Garcia Marquez might cock a disbelieving eyebrow at some
 of the strange things that have occurred in Colombia in more
 recent times.

 Some unusual types of assaults and kidnappings have become so
 common that Colombians have given them nicknames that belie their
 seriousness.

 Gunmen who kidnap their victims, usually as they emerge from
 luxury shops, and drive them around to several ATM machines to
 drain their accounts are said to be taking their prey on ``the
 millionaire's walk.''

 Roadblocks set up by guerrillas and common criminals along rural
 roads in hopes of kidnapping a passing driver worthy of a good
 ransom have become known as pescas milagrosas, roughly translated
 as fishing for miracles.

 A jesting survey in the news weekly Semana to establish whether
 readers fit the profile for kidnapping targets asked: ``Do you go
 to Mass on Sundays?'' and ``Are you Colombian?''



 Government licenses

 Kidnap negotiators are legally required to obtain government
 licenses and forbidden from accepting any payment, controls
 designed to stop shady mediators from acting in cahoots with the
 abductors to drive up the ransoms.

 And a U.S. State Department warning to Americans traveling to
 Colombia noted that local thieves have been walking up to
 foreigners and blowing little packets of a drug into their faces.

 The drug, scopolamine, briefly disorients the victims and allows
 the crooks to escape with their wallets or purses, according to
 the Nov. 20 Consular Information Sheet.

 Colombia's narcotics industry has provided its share of peculiar
 stories.

 One leader of the National Liberation Army, a guerrilla group
 heavy on Marxist ideology, was revealed to have been betrayed to
 police by a lover who suffered an emotional crisis after a
 dayslong cocaine binge.

 The rebel, Francisco Galan, one of the radio-toting prisoners who
 negotiated the hostage releases with his brethren in the
 mountains, was convicted of subversion, murder and possession of
 narcotics.

 The U.S. government last month put Cali's America soccer team on
 a no-visa list because of its alleged ownership by front men for
 the Cali Cartel's leaders, brothers Miguel and Gilberto Rodriguez
 Orejuela.



 On soccer team board

 And Colombian drug prosecutors today sit on the board of a Bogota
 soccer team, Millonarios, after seizing

[CTRL] In The News: 7/9/99


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 ROTHSCHILD AUCTION BECOMES LARGEST EVER IN EUROPE

Seeking to acquire their own "taste of Rothschild," bidders
competed Thursday for a famous collection of paintings, furniture
and ornaments stolen by the Nazis in World War II and only
recently returned to their rightful owners. The treasures of the
Rothschild family fetched more than double their expected prices,
with the Christie's sale earning $90.7 million, the biggest
auction ever held in Europe. "There was exceptional interest,"
said Alexander Hope, project manager of the auction.

Prayer book sells for $4.04 million
 http://cnn.com/WORLD/europe/9907/08/rothschild/index.html



 CHILD-FRIENDLY, RACIST INDOCTRINATION ON INTERNET

Some extremist groups are reaching out to teenagers through Web
sites designed to be child friendly. Experts call the sites a
clear example of the sophistication and growth of a new marketing
tool for those who peddle hate -- the Internet. "It used to be,
in order (for a hate group) to attract a kid, somebody would have
to mail stuff to them or go to their neighborhood," said Gail
Gans, director of the Civil Rights Information Center at the
Anti-Defamation League in New York.

Justice Department treading cautiously
 http://cnn.com/US/9907/08/hate.crimes/index.html



 CLINTON ENDS POVERTY TOUR WITH L.A. STOP

President Bill Clinton wraps up his four-day cross-country tour
of America's underdeveloped "new markets" Thursday with a focus
on training and hiring young people from poor neighborhoods for
high-skilled jobs. Clinton has stressed the need to invest in the
nation's poorest geographic areas. But in Los Angeles, on
economically deprived turf that is still trying to recover from
deadly race riots, he'll argue for investing in the poorest
people themselves.

Clinton visited Watts section of L.A.
 http://cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/07/08/clinton.tour/index.html



 MRS. CLINTON: JERUSALEM IS ISRAEL'S 'ETERNAL, INDIVISIBLE' CAPITAL

Hillary Rodham Clinton, in pursuit of a U.S. Senate seat from New
York, is assuring Jewish leaders she considers Jerusalem "the
eternal and indivisible capital" of Israel. She also says she
will actively advocate locating the U.S. Embassy there.

'...timing...must be sensitive'

http://cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/07/08/senate.2000/hrc.israel.ap/index.ht
ml



 FUTURE OF VETERANS AFFAIRS SECRETARY IS CONFUSED

Secretary of Veterans Affairs Togo West insists he is not
planning to quit his post, even though senior administration
officials told CNN earlier Thursday that he will resign soon. A
Veterans Affairs Spokesman Terry Jemison says: "Secretary West's
position is that he is not planning to leave." However, senior
administration officials say there is dissatisfaction within the
Clinton Administration regarding West's performance.

Gore may have had a hand in West's departure
 http://cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/07/08/west/index.html



 AMD'S K7: BETTER THAN INTEL'S BEST PROCESSOR?

You've probably never bought a PC with an AMD CPU. You may not be
considering one now. All the same, you owe AMD your thanks. If
you've bought a PC in the last two or three years, the number two
chipmaker has saved you a lot of money.

Competition has forced Intel to cut prices
 http://cnn.com/TECH/computing/9907/08/amdk7.idg/index.html



 CEREAL MAKERS TO ADVERTISE HEALTH BENEFITS

Manufacturers of cereals and breads rich in whole grains can
start advertising Thursday that those foods help fight heart
disease and cancer. Cereal maker General Mills asked the
government to allow Cheerios, Total, Wheaties and other
qualifying foods to advertise on the food's package that eating a
diet high in whole-grain foods -- that also is low in fat -- may
reduce the risk of heart disease and certain cancers.

Fiber already is touted as disease fighter
 http://cnn.com/FOOD/news/9907/08/cereal.health.ap/index.html


 Copyright 1998 Cable News Network Inc. 


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[CTRL] Civil Rights in Kentucky (fwd)

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999
 Subj: "Civil Rights" in Kentucky

 LETTER

 "Civil Rights" in Kentucky

 Last night, after seeing on the news about Clinton's dog-
 and-pony show in Hazard, Kent. yesterday, I sent an e-mail
 to a friend who lives in Hyden, Kent. (about 20 miles from
 Hazard) jokingly asking if Hyden had been overrun with
 unmarked cars containing men wearing dark sunglasses and
 business suits.

 This morning I got his answer (below) and I was NOT joking.
 I got my friend's permission to distribute his letter on the
 condition that I strip all personal identifications and the
 call letters of the TV and radio stations referred to.

 [My friend is a public employee and he does NOT want to lose
 his job.)

  Marvin Gardner
  Sons of Liberty
  Georgia
 --

 My phone, -'s phone, was tapped for the last
 eight days. Don't know about the e-mail.   This morning I
 checked again and the taps were off.  A good friend in the
 security business suggested I place some of his equipment on
 our lines and it has paid off.

 Slick was less than 20 miles away, but I would not walk
 across the street to see him.   The liberal paper says that
 30,000 people came to see him.  I can say for a fact that
 only 4,000 were there.  The crowd looks big because the town
 is so small. Only 5,400 live in Hazard. You could not put
 30,000 people in all of this city.

 Yes, their cars and vans were everywhere, and this was on
 Saturday.  Every downtown business had an agent at the door.
 You were watched every minute and the business owners were
 very mad at these people for driving business away.

 On Monday I am told that if you went into a business you
 were not allowed to leave it.  You had to stay inside, just
 in case you hid a weapon there over the weekend.  Metal
 Detectors were everywhere and have a counter on them.  This
 is how I got the 4,000 person figure.

 There were three to five uniformed police per block, untold
 plain clothes state police and the secret service were
 everywhere.   Helicopters circled the city non stop, one
 mile to five miles from the area he was to be in.  It made a
 great circus.

 The only comments that were allowed on TV were the positive
 ones.  I have a friend that works for W--- TV News in
 Hazard, the edited film of the negative comments was "picked
 up".  W---, a patriot radio station was not allowed to set
 up and record the events of the day.

 Plenty was said about it on the station yesterday, and it
 was broadcast this morning that W--- has got a call from the
 FCC already this morning making an appointment to "review"
 the station license.  I am a big supporter of W--- and will
 help those boys any way I can.  This crap the government has
 spread all over America has come close to home, and it is
 getting deeper all the time.  The stink of this visit will
 not soon go away.

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[CTRL] Check This!


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I wonder if ANY of this can be confirmed?

Thie below URL has A LOT of wild stuff...worth a look.

Source:

http://www.colinstevenson.free-online.co.uk/ufoets.htm

200,000 Year Old Female Baby found in MOON Rocks!

In 1969 Apollo 11 astronauts brought back what appeared to be an
aborted baby in a rock that was found during their historic
expedition. For 24 years, NASA kept the baby's discovery from the
public. The story finally came to light when South African
geologist Dr. Richard Call showed newsmen the baby's preserved
remains. Dr. Call told the reporters the shriveled fetus had been
smuggled to him by a concerned NASA lab technician. Dr. Call took
the fetus to his laboratory in Durban, South Africa, and has
spent the last six years studying it. 'Based on our studies of
this baby, we've been able to draw some stunning conclusions
about the moon, about the earth and - most importantly - about
human evolution';

# The fetus is human, female, six inches tall and approximately
200,000 years old.

# Scans of the fetus' brain and her cranium size indicate that
it's intelligence was even higher than that of modern man.

Therefore this is proof that ET's can travel backwards and
forewards in time and space and have visited the Moon at least
200,000 years ago and have also proberbly been visiting Earth
also for at least this length of time. It is also proof of their
human cross-breeding and abduction programme. I wonder what other
secrets NASA and the Governments of the World might be keeping
from us?


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[CTRL] Children of Illegal Aliens

1999-07-09 Thread Das GOAT


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 Like a football game -- run across the border in the late stages of
pregnancy, drop
a pup across the goal line, HOME FREE.


Canada Mulls Kids in Deportation Cases

OTTAWA (AP) - Immigration officials must take into account the hardship
imposed on Canadian-born children before ordering their foreign-born parents
deported, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled Friday.

In a unanimous verdict, the high court gave Mavis Baker, a native of Jamaica
with four children born in Canada, a second chance at avoiding deportation.
The ruling doesn't mean she will automatically qualify for permanent
residence.

Immigration and children's aid groups say hundreds of women with
Canadian-born children are in the same situation, either living in fear of
deportation or mired in the court system fighting deportation orders.

Children born in Canada automatically receive citizenship. But it has been
left to immigration hearing officers to decide whether to consider the best
interests of the children in deporting the parents.

Friday's judgment laid down guidelines and said immigration officers must
consider children's interests ``an important factor, give them substantial
weight, and be alert, alive and sensitive to them.''

Officers must take account of humanitarian concerns, family connections and
``the hardship that a negative decision would impose.''

The court cautioned that the interests of the children won't always outweigh
other considerations and prevent deportation.

But in Baker's case, said the judges, the children's welfare was not
adequately assessed.

Baker came to Canada in 1981 as a visitor, but stayed and worked to support
herself for 11 years. She was ordered deported in 1992, and her appeal to
remain on humanitarian grounds was turned down.

Her lawyers argued that her deportation would contravene the United Nations
Convention on the Rights of the Child, which states that children should stay
with their parents unless it isn't in their best interest.

Critics contended, during court hearings last winter, that allowing Baker to
stay would give illegal aliens an easy way to jump the immigration waiting
list.

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[CTRL] R-E-S-P-E-C-T

1999-07-09 Thread Das GOAT


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 Next, probably, a law that makes SMILING mandatory.
 Alright, move along, little lambs, single file, in a quiet and orderly
manner.
 Imagine what kind of adult citizens we'll be seeing in another 30 years,
in these United States of Orwellica.

 Obey, and do not question, "authority."  ANY authority.  ALL authority.


School Respect Bill Now a Law

By GUY COATES
.c The Associated Press

BATON ROUGE, La. (AP) - Manners are going back to school next term.

Gov. Mike Foster signed a bill Tuesday that requires Louisiana public
students to address their teachers and other school employees with courtesy
titles.

``The lack of respect in and out of school is a national problem and no one
has an answer,'' said Sen. Don Cravens, a Lafayette Democrat who co-sponsored
the legislation.

When classes begin this fall, Louisiana students must refer to teachers and
administrators as ``ma'am'' or ``sir'' or use the appropriate title of Mr.,
Miss, Ms. or Mrs.

The law, which was passed earlier this year by the state Legislature, is
believed to be the first in the nation requiring respectful conversation.

``This is certainly not a cure-all for all the ills of our society, of one
parent homes where there may not be enough guidance or in homes were there is
none,'' Cravens said during legislative debate.

The law will first apply to those in kindergarten through fifth grade. Higher
grades will be phased in over the next few years, one grade per year. All
grades will be included by the 2006-2007 school year.

No punishment is included in the current law. Each of the state's 66 public
school systems will decide how to discipline students refusing to respond
politely. However, no student can be expelled or suspended.

``Nothing we've done in four years of this administration has caused so much
stir,'' said Foster, who had to seek out sponsors for the legislation. ``I
don't know what that says about the state.''

Around the country, some school systems require parents or students to sign
codes of discipline. Some states, notably Arkansas and Georgia, require
``character education,'' teaching honesty, fairness and respect for others.

But Jeanne Allen, president of the Center for Education Reform in Washington,
said she knows of no other such attempt to require respectful conversation
through state law.

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[CTRL] Fwd WW: klinton uses IRS to punish critics




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07-09-99 07:04 PM
God save the Republic and the Constitution of the united States of America!
===
BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE:
   Clinton Uses IRS To Punish Critics
by Larry Klayman Judicial Watch

Imagine you founded an organization dedicated to the preservation of basic
principles upon which this country has thrived. Issues like individual
freedom, personal responsibility, and ethics in journalism. Not horrible
terms, and not even so much because you wanted to antagonize those who didn
t share your view; rather, because you firmly believed in these principles
as a means by which an orderly society should function.

Imagine then if you lived under a government which didnt share your
principles, and because they didnt, they decided -- as arbitrarily as you
would choose a movie -- that they would send an investigatory body like the
IRS into your offices to interrogate you without cause. Try to envision a
group of these detached individuals camped in your office, rifling through
your personal papers, admitting to you that it was a political inquiry, and
then making claims to be compiled into formal charges against you. What you
ve just heard is what the Western Journalism Center went through with its
own government -- the Clinton Administration.

Perhaps one of the most startling and disturbing accounts of the Nixon
Presidency, beyond Water-gate itself, was Nixon, on tape, discussing with
chilling detachment, plans to use the IRS to threaten political opponents.
In 1974, this was a landmark and most egregious breach of the public trust.
Today, despite the Clintons systematic testing of Americans threshold of
tolerance, the song does, and must, remain the same.

The story of the Western Journalism center started with a simple, if bulky,
White House document and ended in a $10 million lawsuit filed by Judicial
Watch against the IRS for abuse of power. Like any good story, it takes the
requisite twists and turns, often leaving the viewer or reader befuddled as
to how people placed in a position of trust can bring themselves to act as
they do.

The Communication Stream of Conspiracy Commerce, a 331-page manifesto and
brainchild of Associate White House Counsel Jane Sherburne and the DNC, was
circulated to select reporters in a tortured effort to describe how the
right wing conveyed fringe stories into mainstream American media. In
essence, this document was an effort to alert friendly journalists that
such a conspiracy was being promulgated by certain groups dissatisfied
with the moral lapses of the Clinton White House. In short, it was an
enemies list.

Joseph Farah, an award-winning journalist and former editor of The
Sacramento Union, founded the Western Journalism Center in 1991. A
credentialed publisher of numerous periodicals that specialize in
investigative reporting, WJCs efforts have been the focus of articles in
The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Post, Investors Business Daily, and
dozens of other publications.

Armed with its breadth of prior success, WJC began investigating the
circumstances surrounding Vince Fosters death -- circumstances widely
reported to be, at minimum, slightly unusual. Taking out ads in The
Washington Times, New York Times, Washington Post and Los Angeles Times, WJC
raised major questions and inconsistencies about Fosters death -- echoing
the sentiments of journalist Christopher Ruddy, whose services WJC retained
in furtherance of their investigation.

These ads met with considerable success and attention -- and set off what
has inexcusably become old saw to the Clinton Administration -- paranoia
followed by brutal, systematic effort to silence its critics through
intimidation.
In December 1994, Associate White House Counsel Sherburne prepared a
memorandum that outlined strategies to use against individuals and
organizations perceived to be adversaries of the Clinton Administration. The
memo also assigned staff members to carry out these strategies -- and specif
ically identified the Western Journalism Center for having investigated
Fosters death. WJC was the only news organization targeted for action.
In July 1996, after absorbing months of swirling rumors of a pending audit,
Joe Farah answered a knock on his door at the Western Journalism Center.
Thomas Cedarquist, an IRS official and one of his chief defendants in
Judicial Watchs lawsuit on behalf of WJC, strode in and announced that,
having seen the WJCs work on 60 Minutes, he had arbitrarily decided (as
this Administration does) that WJC was a political (not a non-profit)
organization. Cedarquist confirmed he and others in Washington were going to

[CTRL] Fwd WW: Socialist Scum of Year awards/Special Commendations-SaraBrady J.Reno




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07-09-99 07:06 PM
God save the Republic and the Constitution of the united States of America!
===
DK:  A special thank you to my good friend who forwarded this to me.  I lost 
the infamous Sara Brady quote made to the former US Senator from Ohio, Howard 
Metzenbaum.  

One creepy spy who crept into our former Lake County Christian Coalition 
meetings claimed that I couldn't document what I was saying and chose that 
particular Sara Brady quote as not being substantiated.  

By the way, my name, still remains on his web site calling me, a 
Reconstructionist a crazy Pentecostal.  That's like calling a potato chip a 
pretzel...naw...Bad comparison!  This is closer.  It's like calling a Puritan 
Storm a marshmello.  DK
===
BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE:
 Check these quotes out.  Vote for your favorite socialist.  A special
 award goes to the socialist with the most votes.  I'd like to give a
 special commendations to Sara Brady, and Janet  Reno.  I hope someday
 they have an intruder in their homes when they are home alone.  
 The final quotes in the list show how the marxist dictator in the white
 house has absolutely no concerns for our civil rights, the Bill of
 Rights, or the brave men and women who spilled their blood to guarantee
 the rights of Americans.  He should be caned.   cindy k.
 
 "We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the
 'RIGHT MAJOR CRISES' and the nations will accept the New World Order."
 David Rockefeller.
 
 "NAFTA is a major stepping stone to the New World Order." Henry
 Kissinger, while campaigning for the passage of NAFTA.
 
 "Further global progress is now possible only through a quest for
 universal consensus in the movement towards a New World Order." Mikhail
 Gorbachev, addressing the U.N. in 1988.
 
 "Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who
 would resist us have been totally disarmed." Sara Brady, Chairman,
 Handgun Control, to Sen. Howard Metzenbaum in The National Educator,
 January, 1994.
 
 "Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The
 prohibition of private firearms is the goal." Janet Reno, U.S. Attorney
 General.
 
 "And so a lot of people say there's too much personal freedom. When
 personal freedom's being abused, you have to move to limit it. That's
 what we did in the announcement I made last weekend on the public housing
 projects, about how we're going to have weapon sweeps and more things
 like that to try to make people safer in their communities." President
 Bill Clinton, March 22, 1994, MTV.
 
 "We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary
 Americans." President Bill Clinton, March 11, 1993, USA Today.
 "It is the sacred principles enshrined in the United Nations charter to
 which the American people will henceforth pledge their allegiance."
 President George Bush addressing the General Assembly of the U.N.,
 February 1, 1992.
 
 "By the end of this decade (2000 AO), we will live under the first One
 World Government that has ever existed in the society of nations... a
 government with absolute authority to decide the basic issues of human
 survival. One world government is inevitable." Pope John Paul U, from the
 book, The Keys of This Blood.
 

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[CTRL] Clinton says Bush is a copy of him [which one do we believe?] =PJB=

1999-07-09 Thread Bard


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http://www.washtimes.com/news/news2.html

Published in Washington, D.C. 5am -- July 9, 1999  www.washtimes.com
Clinton says Bush is a copy of him


By Andrew Cain
THE WASHINGTON TIMES



ANAHEIM, Calif.
resident Clinton accused Texas Gov. George W. Bush Thursday of lifting his
trademark "compassionate conservatism" from the president's New Democrat
philosophy.
 "The rhetoric of compassionate conservatism -- half those speeches
sound like I gave them in '92," Mr. Clinton said in an interview with the
Los Angeles Times.
 Levying his harshest criticism of Mr. Bush to date, Mr. Clinton called
the Republican front-runner's message "very flattering in a way" because it
"replicates the rhetoric" of Clinton themes.
 The president's remarks recall similar charges made by Republicans that
Mr. Clinton stole their ideas and repackaged them as his own.
 "Al Gore and Bill Clinton have consistently wrapped liberal
philosophies with conservative rhetoric," said Michael Collins, spokesman
for the Republican National Committee. "But talk is cheap."
 The policies, he said, are what is really at stake.
 "In Al Gore's case, policies that would tell us what kind of job we can
have, what kind of house we can live in, how big our back yard can be, what
kind of car we can have in the garage and how many miles we

-- Continued from Front Page --
can drive it."
 He said: "Under Al Gore, some things are mandatory, but everything else
will be illegal. That's what being a New Democrat is all about. That's
neither compassionate, nor conservative, nor smart."
 Mr. Clinton said the Texas governor "seems to have discarded some of
the harsher aspects of the Republican revolution of the last five years,"
particularly on immigration. He said Mr. Bush appears to be blurring his
positions on affirmative action and abortion. Mr. Clinton called the
governor's opposition to hate-crimes legislation, the patients' bill of
rights and new gun control "downright hostile" to the centrist, "Third Way"
position.
 Mr. Clinton said the key question is whether Mr. Bush's "compassionate
conservatism" is an umbrella under which Republicans in Congress, "the
architects of the revolution in 1995, the Contract on America, the heirs of
Newt Gingrich" can be "protected from the rainstorm of public opinion until
they get to where they can do what they want."
 The president's remarks set off a round of bipartisan credit-claiming,
with both the president's men and Bush backers arguing that their man was
compassionate and conservative first. At stake is California, crucial to
Democratic hopes next year.
 Bush backers note the vice president's recent speaking in Spanish to
address Hispanic voters, which Mr. Bush had done first.
 They said Mr. Gore's call for public funding of church initiatives to
help the poor was a response to Mr. Bush's proposal to ease government
restrictions on faith-based groups aimed at the poor.
 Mr. Bush's spokesman David Beckwith rejected the president's suggestion
that the Texas governor is recycling centrist positions espoused by Mr.
Clinton.
 "Governor Bush's approach is new, both in terms of leadership and
philosophy," Mr. Beckwith said. "He's spoken of a fresh start for the
country after a season of cynicism. There's a fundamental difference in
philosophy between Mr. Bush and the administration. Clinton-Gore believes in
a large bureaucracy that dictates solutions from Washington. Governor Bush
believes in people and solutions that are found in local communities."
 The Texas governor capped a recent fund-raising swing through
California with the announcement that he had raised a record-shattering $36
million through the first two quarters of the year --nearly double Mr.
Gore's total.
 Mr. Bush said the previous two Republican presidential nominees -- his
father in 1992 and Bob Dole in 1996 -- essentially wrote off California but
he expects to win the state. California, with 54 electoral votes, has
brought Mr. Gore to California more than 50 times during Mr. Clinton's
presidency.
 Mr. Clinton, noting that Vice President George Bush initially lagged in
national polls in 1988, said Mr. Gore's poll numbers will improve.
 "I think there's a constant desire for change," Mr. Clinton said. "But
I think what you'll see by next year is that the vice president will be the
candidate of change."
 Earlier this summer, Mr. Clinton angered the vice president by
remarking that he was concerned about the stumbling start of Mr. Gore's
campaign.
 The vice president then pointedly distanced himself from the president,
announcing his candidacy for president June 16 with a vow to bring "my own
values of faith and family to the presidency."
 Mr. Clinton Thursday wrapped up a four-day tour of some

Re: [CTRL] War on Poverty Yields Few Victories

1999-07-09 Thread Norse Knight


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Ric wrote:

"Ending poverty can be helped by ending military-industrial welfare."

I agree, Ric, both kinds of welfare add to poverty but will the
socialists want to end their sham programs or the nationalists their's?
Both have much in common, leftist statism is no different in substance
than rightist statism. One uses guilt the other fear. One pretends to
help the poor the other the national interest...I say to hell with the
both of them.

Robert Paul

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Re: [CTRL] War on Poverty Yields Few Victories

1999-07-09 Thread Norse Knight


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Prudy wrote:

"Whose poverty will that end?"

Most are poor because of illegitimate government actions...those are the
ones.

"Besides it's not the State on your back since a couple of weeks ago."

I'm not sure what you mean.

"It's just the States on your back."

They are ALL on Our back. I don't care which criminal group has a gun in
my face, any time the "government" steps out side of their authority
they are no different than any other organized crime group except for
the sanction their victims give them.

"Never fear. Your dream is coming true."

OK. How so?

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Re: [CTRL] War on Poverty Yields Few Victories

1999-07-09 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn


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In a message dated 07/09/1999 9:18:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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 OK. How so? 

Just give the latest Rehnquist Court decisions a few months to get around,
and you will see.  Prudy

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I say to hell with the both of them.

Absolutely. But let's think long, hard, and above all realistically about
how we dismantle them. If we rip the safety net out from under even a
comparitively rich a society like America, where one of five people still
has trouble paying the family bills, without first making a safety net
unnecessary, there will be social unrest the likes of which the world has
never seen.  To rip what meager safety net there is from the rest of the
world is, for the moment at least,  genocide. To shut of corporate welfare
to the military industrial complex without first retooling for peace will
crash the economy and throw more people into the street than ripping off
the safety net. Talk about social unrest! Phew! And speaking of safety,
let's keep in mind that on a world in as sorry a state as ours is in it is
not possible to disarm unless all forces do it together. Anything else
will bring war. America in particular must take care because the preditory
transnational capitalists based here have made a lot of enemies around the
world, not all of which are politically sophisticated enough not to blame
the American people for  the crimes of our ruling class,  some of which we
too suffer from. There are no national solutions to global problems, least
of all making the world into a single nation state. The nation state must
die in the mind of humanity before we can all live in peace and plenty,
but the corporation must die with it or we're out of the frying pan into
the fire.

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Re: [CTRL] What does the OT say re: homosexuality (fwd)

1999-07-09 Thread TenebrousT


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In a message dated 7/9/99 6:49:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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 (I wonder if 'day' purifies himself after each emission of semen, if
  indeed he is capable of an emission, since Leviticus declares each man
  'impure' after such emissions)  ;-)


This is a personal affront and has no place on this list.

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Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative

1999-07-09 Thread TenebrousT


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PLEASE, let us refrain from the personal attacks and vitriol that follows
here.  Preserve your passion for your position NOT the other person.
Remember questions of a religious nature are always controversial and likely
to cause passionate response.  Please temper your responses.





In a message dated 7/9/99 6:39:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Fri, 9 Jul 1999, day wrote:
  
 Homosexuality is an abomination and Jesus stated that this is one
of
 the
three sins that he despises.
   
Where exactly did Jesus say this?
  
   Don't expect a response.
  
  
  This response should do it!  Let's see what God has to say about
it

  Quote a passage where Jesus Himself says ANYTHING directly regarding
  homosexuality...

  You can't, because He didn't

  When it comes to meeting our Maker, God will deal more kindly with
  homosexuals for their sin, than with the likes of you for spewing hate,
  and hiding behind His Word to justify your evil...


  is Sodomite. (The feminine Hebrew form of this word is harlot [cf.
  Genesis 38:21,22; Deuteronomy 23:17; Hosea 4:14]). Referring

  So what the Bible is REALLY condemning is harlotry by either sex, and not
  a committed relationship between individuals of the same sex...

  Do you wear clothes with mixed fibers?  Then you are violating God's
  Word...(read Leviticus BEYOND the passages regarding homosexuality...)


  What a vivid picture we have of the depravity of those committing these
 acts. Though the world today calls it acceptable, a choice,
  even a God given lifestyle, the Bible declares homosexuality is not a
 disease nor is it a genetic condition. It is sin. And just
  like liars, backbiters, murderers (sinners),

  Then why aren't you trolling the internet spewing hate against liars,
  'backbiters' (my Bible doesn't have that term in it), and murders, like
  you do against gays?



  Someone once said,

  Not Jesus.  He ministered to sinners, remember...


  Homosexuality cannot exist where people love Go

  You are so evil.

  One could say the same thing about robbery, rape, incest, genocide...


  Rejection of God is the root; homosexuality is the fruit.

  But adult males who sexually molest little girls are better to you than
  two adult males who 'marry' each other, and who are not promiscuous?

  I've worked with gays, none of whom was promiscuous.  I've also worked
  with straights, many of whom went out to bars many times a week, gladly
  having sex with any stranger they found there who was willing...

  I'd much rather have a non-promiscuous gay couple as a neighbor or even
  as a coworker, than those promiscous straights...and when it comes to
  giving blood, I'd feel much safer recieving blood from the
  non-promiscuous gays than from the promiscous straights...

  Same thing with eating food they'd prepared...
   

  Let us all determine to stand firm on these biblical truths.

  Biblical superstition.


  In conclusion, homosexuality is not a choice when it comes to matters of
 righteousness. When confronting those who are continuing
  in this sin, we should not approach it with a holier than thou attitud

  You should follow your own advice.


  June

  *===*
Kite

  So many things you want to see
  And as you ask I'll set you free
  But as you fly
  You'll touch the sky
  And touch the heart
  Within me

Fly away.



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[CTRL] Archives: New Paradigms Discussion Group

1999-07-09 Thread Lloyd Miller


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the New Paradigms Discussion Group [prj] by
folks desperate to reference old posts.

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Re: [CTRL] War on Poverty Yields Few Victories

1999-07-09 Thread Robert Paul


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Nessie wrote:

"Absolutely. But let's think long, hard, and above all realistically
about how we dismantle them."

Yes, it won't be easy; I don't think that dismantling the
welfare-warfare State can be done collectively.There are things that one
can do individually, we need to encourage each other in that direction.

"let's keep in mind that on a world in as sorry a state as ours is in
it is not possible to disarm unless all forces do it together."

That'll never happen, the Plutocrats that orchestrate these "forces"
won't stop until They take the World or until We stop financing them.

"America in particular must take care because the predatory
transnational capitalists based here"

Yes, this is true. The Ugly American is the mask the Plutocrats wear to
rape the World.

"There are no national solutions to global problems,"

There are some national solutions...if we wait for the World nothing
will happen.

"least of all making the world into a single nation state."

This is true, if we ever get a World State it will mean universal
slavery.

"The nation state must die in the mind of humanity before we can all
live in peace and plenty,"

Yes, statism must die in ALL it's forms before that can happen (even
one's favorite version).

"but the corporation must die with it or we're out of the frying pan
into the fire."

I agree, the corporation is the State's most evil creation. These
fictitious "persons" plunder with the privilege of limited liability. A
Frankenstein's Monster that feeds on greed and death. Whose fault is
that but our own...we all seek our State granted privileges. The
government should not have the ability to grant any privilege but that's
one way they maintain their authority...

Robert Paul

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Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative

1999-07-09 Thread TenebrousT


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In a message dated 7/9/99 9:26:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

  Then you should fall down prostrate on the ground and beg God's
   forgiveness, since YOU are one of the most wicked people I've seen.
  
   June
  


  Sorry, Juney, that you feel quoting the word of God is wicked.
  If you embrace homosexuals for their lifestyle without trying to
  do God's will and change them from their evil doings, then you
  are the wicked one.

  Now, go fly a kite!


Day, please refrain from lengthy Bible quotes.  In your first response you
identified many passages that were not responsive to the question asked.  The
question was, where does Jesus say that homosexuality is wrong?  You quoted
many passages, OT and NT, some questionable IMO but none that address what
Jesus said on the matter.  A small point perhaps, but it is often helpful to
keep your eye on the question at hand and not get off track.  The question
was asked, of course, to illustrate that Jesus says nothing about
homosexuality in the Bible, contrary to your assertion.  It is highly likely
that the original querant knew this and possibly was not surprised by your
response, and may have even hoped for it.  When people fall into traps like
this and respond stereotypically it only makes that person look like a knee
jerk reactor who is easily led.  I'm not saying that is the case, but it
makes it look that way.  Please take it easy in this department, all of you.
Religion is a touchy subject at best.  Remember to stay focused on the facts,
and to refrain from attacking others' faith and belief, whether pro, or con.
Thank you.

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[CTRL] HILARY DECLARES JERUSALEM THE ETERNAL CAPITAL OF ISRAEL

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 From: "John K. Whitley" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999
 Subj: Secret Palestinian Parliament Being Built In Jerusalem!

 A NEW WORLD ORDER INTELLIGENCE
 UPDATE ADVISORY:
 http://www.inforamp.net/~jwhitley/index.htm

 [To join the NWO/Y2K low-volume mailing list,
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 HILARY DECLARES JERUSALEM "THE ETERNAL
 CAPITAL OF ISRAEL" - WHILE A NEW PALESTINIAN
 PARLIAMENT IS BEING SECRETLY CONSTRUCTED
 THERE!

 Hilary Clinton, eagerly courting New York's politically-
 important bloc of influential Jewish voters, recently
 stunned observers by declaring forthrightly that
 Jerusalem is "the eternal capital of Israel."

 Her husband, who acts as President of the United
 States on behalf of the powerful and secretive
 Bilderberg Group, openly favours a Palestinian state.

 Just prior to this year's recent secret meeting of
 the Bilderbergers in Sintra, Portugal, the NEW WORLD
 ORDER INTELLIGENCE UPDATE warned that one of
 the items on the agenda was a Mid-East "peace treaty."

 Our confidential informant alerted us to the fact that
 "the deal on Jerusalem has already been done" and that
 the future for Israel did not look good.

 Israeli Prime Minister Barak was elected with the
 assiduous help of Bilderbergers Tony Blair and Bill
 Clinton, apparently to advance the Bilderberger "peace
 agenda" - which will ultmately lead to war.

 Since his election, he has thrown himself wholeheartedly
 into this work, mending fences with Syria's Assad,
 gaining the support of Egypt's Mubarak, and eagerly
 preparing Israelis for the inevitable return of the
 strategically-vital Golan Heights to Syria.

 Now the actual details of this "Jerusalem deal" are
 beginning to emerge, and first and foremost among
 them are the construction of a Palestinian
 Parliament in the "Israeli capital" of Jerusalem - which
 would logically make it the "Palestinian capital", too!

 Thus, both Bill and Hilary's wishes and dreams, though
 at first sight contradictory,  are enabled to paradoxically
 come true!

 For apparent and cosmetic convenience, the official
 line is that the capital of any future Palestinian state
 will be Jericho, but the presence of the Parliament and
 President's Office in East Jerusalem will inevitably
 reduce Jericho to the status of an administrative centre
 while East Jerusalem becomes the increasingly
 influential centre of Palestinian power.

 An "understanding", reached three years ago between
 Mahmoud Abbas [Palestinian deputy leader] and Yessi
 Beilin [Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister], and since publicly
 denied, gave the Palestinians a free hand to construct a
 Parliament and capital offices in Abu Dis, on the outskirts
 of East Jerusalem. In fine balance, the site is partly in
 East Jerusalem and partly outside it; and the Palestinian
 government which will function from there is to have
 authority over all Palestinians in East Jerusalem but
 no sovereignty over any of the city's physical territory.

 It will be "in Jerusalem without being in Jerusalem",
 and "rule from Jerusalem without owning any land there."

 Construction on the five-storey Parliament building is
 now well-advanced, conducted under conditions of
 absolute secrecy, and completely ignored by the present
 Israeli administration - which is only too well aware of
 the true nature of the building beginning to rise
 there.

 In a nice touch, the Office of the President is so positioned
 in the complex that Yassar Arafat will actually be located
 in East Jerusalem itself, a symbolic fact not likely to be
 lost on any visitors he receives there officially.

 Equally significantly, the US$14 million building is a virtual
 mirror-image in layout of the Israel Knesset across the city,
 and both buildings are positioned exactly the same distance
 from the most holy site in Jerusalem, the Temple Mount.

 When Palestinian statehood comes, Jerusalem will then be
 openly declared to be the Palestinian capital, one "shared"
 [in diplomatic, and - in light of the Bilderberger's long-term
 plans for the Middle East, now coming to fruition - "temporary"
 terms] with Israel.

 But the plot does not end there. Plans exist for the
 construction of a magnificent and stately residence for a
 personage of immense and international religious importance,
 who is expected to take up residence as the "overseer" and
 "guarantor" of the city within the foreseeable future. Before
 that second phase can occur, however, Phase One - the
 successful introduction of two national parliaments and
 administrations into Jerusalem - must be successfully
 orchestrated.

 That first phase is now one giant step closer to completion.

 Then will come Phase Two.

 And finally, Phase Three - war and destruction!

   (c) copyright, 1999
 NEW WORLD ORDER INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
  http://www.inforamp.net/~jwhitley/index.htm
 __

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Re: [CTRL] Turning the corner on liberal education policies

1999-07-09 Thread Smart News


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Dear List,

Here's some data showing why long term bilingual education is the best thing
for second language students.

Sincerely,  Neil Brick

PS. also check http://www.ncbe.gwu.edu/ncbepubs/resource/effectiveness for a
96 page document that backs this up.

Research has shown that the longer students are in two-way developmental
bilingual education programs, the higher the students score on standardized
tests in English. The second most effective program for second language
learners is Late-Exit Bilingual Education plus content ESL. "...The
elementary school program with the most success in language minority
students' long term academic achievement, as measured by standardized test
across all subject areas, is two-way developmental bilingual education. As a
group, students in this program...reach the 50th percentile or NCE (National
Curve Equivalent) in their second language generally after 4-5 years of
schooling in both languagesStudents in well-taught bilingual classes
that continue through at least sixth grade (late-exit or maintenance
bilingual programs) with substantial cognitive and academic development
through both first and second languages, are also able to reach the 50th
percentile or NCE within 4-7 years and maintain their academic performance at
secondary  level in academic classes taught all in English." (From data
aggregated from a series of 3-6 year longitudinal studies from
well-implemented, mature programs in five school districts and from the
Ramirez 1991 dataset, c Thomas and Collier, 1995)

Basic interpersonal communication skills (BICS) refer to context embedded
speech (like visual cues and experiential activities), which differ from
cognitive academic language proficiency (CALP) which takes place in a context
reduced environment (manipulating concepts and solving problems). (Cummins,
1984). Some people have made the mistake that once a student can converse in
English (BICS), they will naturally perform well academically (CALP) in
English. It has been postulated that BICS and CALP are two different sets of
skills.  "a) language proficiency includes proficiency in academic tasks as
well as basic conversation, b) cognitive academic language proficiency may
take 5 to 7 years to achieve, and c) skills learned in the first language
automatically transfer to the second language." (Language Minority Students
in the Mainstream Classroom, Carrasquillo and Rodriguez, Multilingual Matters
Ltd., c 1996 p. 26-27) Collier's research (1987) supports the theory that LEP
(Limited English Proficiency) students may need 5 to 7 years to perform well
(like native learners) on academic tasks.

Willig (1985) "concluded that bilingual education programs that supported the
minority language were consistently superior...(and) produce higher
performance in tests of  achievement throughout the curriculum. Small to
moderate advantages were found...in reading, language skills, mathematics and
overall achievement (in second language tests in English)." A conclusion
found in the Ramirez (Ramirez, Yuen and Ramey, 1991) study cited above is,
"Spanish speaking students can be provided with substantial amounts of
primary  language instruction without impeding their acquisition of English
language and reading skillsThe data suggest that by Grade 6, students
provided with English-only instruction may actually fall further behind their
English speaking peers. Data also document that learning a second language
will take six or more years'."  (Foundations of Bilingual Education and
Bilingualism, 2nd Ed., Colin Baker, Multilingual Matters Ltd., c 1996
p.213-215)

The studies and theory above show that for students to achieve the highest
test scores, they need to be in at least late-exit bilingual education
programs.


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Re: [CTRL] Immigration: The Doom of the White Race


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- Original Message -
From: Bard [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 The Doom of the White Race

This wouldn't be funny, even if the concept of "white race" had any
merit - which it doesn't.  There are no biological indicators that
reliably differentiate the allegedly distinct "races" of humanity,
no genetic factors that consistently distinguish "racial" groups -
"race" is about politics, not about biology.  In all "races" - red,
yellow, black, white, brown - peoples' skin color ranges from light
to dark, intelligence [only 30% inheritable] ranges from low to high,
resistance/susceptibility to diseases vary similarly - and we can
[and DO] all interbreed.  We're all the same race.  Except maybe
for the Reptilioid hybrids dominating conservative politics...

Popular imagery in the US from the latter half of the 19 century
onward depicted the "Irish Race" as sub-human, as ape-people, only
slightly better/higher than blacks or orientals, similarly pictured.
Japanese culture depicts Koreans as subhuman, even though Japanese
culture largely derived from Korea a millennium ago.  The dominant
Mestizo power elites in Latin America depict the Indian masses as
subhuman.  When justifying your power relationships, it's useful to
depict those you've subjugated as being of "inferior races" - such
dehuanization makes it OK to kill/exploit/exclude them.

 Immigration: The Perpetual Controversy

And if Native Americans had had stricter immigration controls when
European plunderers arrived, America would be a better place, eh?

  Ric "if name calling of Jews is jew-baiting, and name calling
  of Reds [communists] is red-baiting, then is name calling of
  Aryans [the master race] master-baiting?" Carter, curious...

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[CTRL] Compound Cleansers


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From SF Chronicle


 NATO Bombing Left Serbian City in Toxic Nightmare
 Refinery, fertilizer plant and petrochemical complex destroyed
 Mark Fineman, Los Angeles Times Tuesday, July 6, 1999 ©1999 San
 Francisco Chronicle

 URL: http://www.commondreams.org/kosovo/kosovo.htm



 They call it ``The Night of the Witches,'' those horrible hours
 that began at precisely 1 a.m. April 18, when NATO bombs and
 missiles rained in force on Pancevo.

 Within seconds, the attack demolished a refinery, a fertilizer
 plant and an American-built petrochemical complex that released a
 toxic cloud so dense and potentially lethal that its effects can
 be felt here even today -- and will be, perhaps, for decades to
 come.

 A thick, grayish-white fog containing concentrations of
 carcinogenic vinyl chloride monomer that were 10,600 times above
 human- safety limits had settled over the city at dawn and
 finally cleared only at nightfall on a day of horror the
 townsfolk have named for the Serbian equivalent of Halloween.

 Nearly three months after NATO's devastating air strike here --
 and almost a month after it dropped the last bomb of its air war
 on Yugoslavia -- here's a glimpse of the enduring environmental
 nightmare in and around the targets the alliance left behind:

 -- Physicians in this city just 10 miles northeast of Belgrade
 have privately recommended that all women in town that night
 avoid pregnancy for at least the next two years. Women who were
 less than nine weeks' pregnant in mid-April were advised to
 obtain abortions; doctors say most have complied.

 -- The canal leading from Pancevo's South Zone Industrial Complex
 is still awash with vinyl chloride, even after much of the 100
 tons of cancer-causing chemical that were released from the Petro
 Hemija factory that night already have mixed into the waters, the
 riverbed and most likely the food chain of the mighty Danube
 River.

 -- The ground in and around Pancevo is saturated with ammonia,
 mercury, naphtha, acids, dioxins and other toxins that leaked and
 burned out of the factories that night, raising yet-unanswered
 questions about their long-term impact on a city now struggling
 with day-to-day survival.

 ``Only in the next two years or 20 can I tell you what the full
 consequences of that night will be,'' Pancevo's pro-democracy
 Mayor Srdjan Mikovic said yesterday. ``I'm afraid you will find a
 lot of our people in the oncology ward fighting cancer, or
 perhaps in the hematology department or centers for respiratory
 diseases, or perhaps in the morgue. But for today, it's enough to
 worry just how to get through the summer and the cold winter that
 lies ahead.''

 Although perhaps the most dramatic, Pancevo is hardly alone among
 the many environmental disasters that are legacies of NATO's war
 on Yugoslavia -- 78 days of aerial assaults on power plants,
 factories, fuel refineries and storage tanks. The alliance said
 these attacks were intended to ``degrade'' Yugoslav President
 Slobodan Milosevic's nation and war machine.

 The phones still are ringing wildly in Dr. Slobodan Tosovic's
 office at Belgrade's Public Institute of Health, where the chief
 ecotoxicologist fields questions and complaints from throughout
 the nation.

 Municipal officials in the opposition-ruled town of Kragujevac in
 the south, for example, are begging for permission to flush out a
 lagoon poisoned by PCBs, which were released from a power plant
 that NATO bombed.

 ``It's enough to make me believe the Americans and NATO were
 making a biochemical experiment with us,'' said Tosovic.

 But he downplays the short-term toxic impact of the war. ``The
 fact is, we were quite lucky,'' Tosovic said. ``We have the
 capacity to clean up the channel in Pancevo, and already we've
 cleaned up the worst-hit areas of the Danube and other rivers.
 There are no lasting air-pollution problems. And last week, we
 lifted the fishing ban on the Danube.''

 Initial tests of crops and farm animals, he said, have shown only
 marginal levels of toxicity, although he cautioned that ongoing
 DNA testing of embryos and seeds to determine the longer-term
 genetic impact of dioxins and other pollutants on the food chain
 will not be completed until the fall.

 The Serbian Health Ministry, which include Tosovic's department,
 also has issued an urgent advisory to physicians, urging them to
 stop recommending abortions and birth control -- an issue with
 broad political and sociological implications in a nation where
 10 years of war-induced poverty among delicately balanced ethnic
 groups already have sent Serbian birthrates plunging.



 ©1999 San Francisco Chronicle  Page A8



From Chicago Tribune


 SERBS ALLEGE NATO RAIDS CAUSED TOXIC CATASTROPHE
 BOMBED REFINERIES, PLANTS SPEWED STEW OF POISONS, THEY SAY


 By Uli Schmetzer
 Tribune Foreign Correspondent
 July 08, 1999

 PANCEVO, Yugoslavia Dragomir Djuric says he has been fishing the
 Tamis River for 48

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