[CTRL] Ste Diana of Bathos
-Caveat Lector- From Slate.CoM "" And since by the ironclad laws of yellow journalism the famous have to be famous for something, Diana became the universal symbol of individual suffering, the victim of unfeeling institutions everywhere. "" Diana, You Ignorant Slut By Judith Shulevitz Posted Thursday, September 2, 1999, at 2:52 p.m. PT PictureE-Mail This Article PictureSign Up for the Culture E-mail Auto-Delivery Culturebox's first thought on reading Diana: In Search of Herself, Sally Bedell Smith's deliriously mean-spirited (though boringly written) catalogue of all the ways the late fairy-tale princess turns out to have been troubled, trite, and exasperating, is that the British public didn't get its money's worth from the girl. During her marriage, according to The New York Times , Diana cost her subjects $3,287 a day ($1.2 million a year). Much of that paid for clothing, cosmetics, hair styling, physical and speech training, health care, beauty treatments, fancy vacations, and a private staff--all legitimate expenses for a state official whose job it is to be a professional celebrity. (Why the British would pay their royals to do such a job is another question.) If you go by Smith's account, the rest must have gone to: 1) a surprisingly large number of cell-phone calls--up to 20 a day per person--to a surprisingly large number of lovers; 2) alternative therapists--astrologists (three), spiritualists (including a clairvoyant who put her in touch with her grandmother), a tarot card reader, an energy healer, a hypnotherapist, an "anger-release" therapist, colonic irrigationists, osteopaths, chiropractors, reflexologists, aromatherapists, shiatsu and tai chi chuan experts, acupuncturists, and a "mind-body" therapist, the last a former tax accountant who gave her massages and diet advice; 3) more conventional forms of treatment for sleeplessness, eating disorders, paranoia, and self-mutilation, including an episode in which she slashed her arms and smeared the blood all over the walls of an airplane; 4) lunch at fancy restaurants to which she secretly invited tabloid reporters so she could drop by their tables and leak whatever she wanted to appear in their publications the next day. When you think about it, Item 4 probably is in the job description for an official celebrity, which brings us to Culturebox's second reaction to this book: that the British got everything they paid for and more. Smith's Diana was an ill-educated, impulsive woman who spent her adult life reeling from what Smith dubiously diagnoses as a borderline personality disorder. (Culturebox knows as little about psychiatry as Smith does, but she knows wild analysis when she sees it.) Whatever the cause, Diana was depressed, secretive, paranoid, dissembling, self-loathing, desperately needy, and unable to sustain close relationships. Yet she was also the century's most popular royal personage, a fact that now seems not at all unrelated. When you know how unstable Diana was, you grasp that it was her lack of self-control that fueled the media's obsession. She got our attention because she was cute, but she held it because she gave the paparazzi so much to work with--all those unchecked expressions of slyness or shyness or vulnerability or boredom, all that Sturm und Drang about needing her privacy. Tabloid editors put her on the cover day in and day out because eating disorders and fainting fits made good copy, not out of sympathy with her charities. And since by the ironclad laws of yellow journalism the famous have to be famous for something, Diana became the universal symbol of individual suffering, the victim of unfeeling institutions everywhere. Others might have found the attention devastating, but Diana must have been relieved to find in the public eye the unflagging concern, pity, and sense of drama Smith says the princess demanded, and failed to get, from Charles. Diana only ever had one loyal suitor--the public--and she quickly figured out how to win its favor, cultivating tabloid reporters while complaining about their impertinences, figuring out more often than not what to wear and say and how to upstage the other royals. It was strangely easy for her to outfox the palace. No rational being, no one concerned about shoring up a marriage or maintaining a position in society, could have predicted what move Diana would make next. She leaked stories that put her in a questionable light. She collaborated with a tabloid reporter, Andrew Morton, on a royals-bashing biography that made divorce Charles' only option. She defied everyone she knew, including her own press secretary, to go on television for a notorious 1995 interview in which she came off as wildly self-pitying and un-self-aware. She flaunted her relationship with Dodi, the no-good son of a corrupt and authoritarian father. But Diana never cared much about being a princess. She cared about being a
Re: [CTRL] OPEN POLLINATED Seed sources,
-Caveat Lector- To Dave Hartley: http://www.Asheville-Computer.com http://www.ioa.com/~davehart Thank you. What a great list you have compiled. I live in New Zealand. In this country we have a few of our own heritage seed sources, and I try to save some. The future is frightening, with the unknown-composition GE seeds and the ones you have to buy afresh each year. When there are no real jobs left, and a small rich class owns all the assets and resources, how do people plan to eat and feed their families? The prospect of no more free seeds is also a whole new tax system advancing on us. A tax on backyard gardens and farms. Which could, remember, mean most of us. This sort of list is very precious - it is a survival tool. I hope everybody saved it. Best wishes, Lyn OHJ Online, the Restoration Directory: D. Landreth Seed Co. Since 1784, America's oldest seed company. Extended 30-day credit to George Washington and sold to Thomas Jefferson, James Monroe, and other historical greats. Available coast to coast, wholesale and retail. Free price list. Catalog, $2 http://www.oldhousejournal.com/rdir/09510.asp Eastern Native Seed Conservancy, Heirloom seeds, seed catalogue Heirloom seeds from Eastern Native Seed Conservanc http://www.berkshire.net/ensc Seeds Trust High Altitude Gardens International Seed Saving Institute Seeds http://www.seedsave.org/ Star-Telegram.Com | News Online Service Provider of Dallas and Fort Worth and the Homepage of the Fort Worth Star-Telegra http://www.virtualtexan.com/news/doc/1047/1:HOME4/1:HOME4021999.html GO Network: Heirloom gardening Learn how to pick the perfect wine, design a garden, find a caterer. http://www.go.com/WebDir/Good_Life/Hobbies/Gardening/Heirloom_gardening Select Seeds -- Antique Flowers Fragrant, hardy, easy-to-grow heirloom flowers transform any garden into a colorful, sweet-scented paradise for you, butterflies, and bird http://www.selectseeds.com/ The M.V.H.S. Antique Heirloom Seed Project The M.V.H.S. Antique Seed Project. We save heirloom and distribute them to the public that will give them a good home http://shakespeare.mvhs.sad40.k12.me.us/ss GO Network: Heirloom gardening Learn how to pick the perfect wine, design a garden, find a caterer. http://games.go.com/WebDir/Good_Life/Hobbies/Gardening/Heirloom_gardening Seeds Blum Home Page Seeds Blum is a seed company with open pollinated and heirloom seeds for home gardeners. We aim to preserve genetic diversity in food plants. We work with small seed savers to offer gourmet vegetables, edible http://www.seedsblum.com/ The Virtual Gardener A home garden magazine for gardens and gardeners. Heirloom seeds garden books children's books. Helping you make the perfect choices for all your home gardening needs. Archived information on proper tree planting, pruning, potted plants and much m http://www.gardenmag.com/vegigard Re: Seeds - Many heirloom seeds - Free Seeds Re: Seeds - Many heirloom seeds - Free Seeds [ Follow Ups ] [ Post Followup ] [ EXOTIC_SEEDS Newsgroup ] Posted by marlene Bocash on October 06, 1998 at 09:44:45: In Reply to: Re: Seeds - Many heirloom seeds - Free Seeds posted by Donna E. Trainor. http://www.aitcom.com/newsgroups/EXOTIC_SEEDS/3455.htm Growing Heirloom Seeds Growing Heirloom Seed Heirloom seed is simply Non-Hybrid seed. That means that you can expect to plant these seeds, harvest the mature seed that the vegetables and fruit produce, and re-plant those seeds to get another plant that is going to be.. http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/9684/heirloom.html CuisineNet Digest: Heirloom Seeds Heirloom Seeds http://match.cuisinenet.com/digest/ingred/heirloom.shtml Hirt's Greenhouse Flowers : Home Page Burpee Seeds 25% off plus thousands of other gardening items including spring bulbs, fall bulbs, repellants, flower seeds, vegetable seeds, perennial seeds, herb seeds, and plants http://www.hirts.com/seeds MetroActive Menu | Heir Heads [ Menu Index | Metro Santa Cruz | MetroActive Central | Archives ] Growth Opportunities Your field of dreams is just a stamp or a page away By Christina Waters To begin collecting and growing your own heirloom seeds, contact the following companies http://metroactive.com/papers/cruz/09.05.96/produce2-9636.html Organic Open Pollinated Heirloom Seeds Tobacco Peppers Herbs Vegetables Houseplants Tropicals Pest Control from Eden Organic Seeds for Tobacco, Pepper, Medicinal, Vegetable, Herb, Vine Seed http://www.eonseed.com/ Heirloom Seeds for Organic Gardening http://www.seeddreams.com/ Matthew's Heirloom and Open-pollenated Vegetable Seeds Specializing in heirloom varietal vegetable seed stock http://seed.bioreagent.com/ Eastern Native Seed Conservancy, Heirloom seeds, seed catalogue Heirloom seeds from Eastern Native Seed Conservanc http://apocalypse.berkshire.net/ensc
Re: [CTRL] Earthquake In Illinois
-Caveat Lector- William Shannon wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/2/99 4:06:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Great. Another upstate, Chicagoland hoosier opinion. I wish Chicago would secede and get it's tax burden off our backs. -- Mark McHugh One Step Beyond! Hey friend, we agree! Take a 30 mile chunk of land from the lake out call US Illinois, and the rest of the crud can argue boundries...North Kentucky, East Iowa and West Indiana...BIG LOSS! Please just do it, and take you're backwards ways w/ ya'!!! We'll be A-OK with our healthy tax base and intelligencia! Keep your damn farm reports off OUR airwaves though...Jamming ALWAYS an option Bill. Thanks to YOU people we have a BUMPKIN as a Senator! You take him! Fitzgerald, a bumpkin? Possibly. He's a suburban, Republican Senator who could be in touch with his inner bumpkin. Unless you mean Durbin, who's one of those Georgetown-educated cityboy bumpkins. Or how about that old bumpkin Everett Dirksen. What a laugh. You Chicago people shouldn't throw stones when it comes to politicians. Us downstaters elect a bumpkin? Let's look at the numbers. Chicago, Cook County and the collar counties contain the majority of the state's population. Unless your people up there don't vote, where even the dead vote, I find it hard to see us electing anyone. Aren't businesses and industry leaving Chicagoland for scenic locals like Wisconsin and North Dakota? You've lost candy makers and meat processors and only God know what else since I don't keep up on northern business fortunes all that closely. Your intelligenTSia (from the Russian ÉÎÔÅÌÌÉÇÅÎÃÉÑ "intelligentsija")* haven't produced anything of note since imports like Fermi cracked the atom safely, unless you're including WGN, Oprah and that java joint on Broadway. I do make the infrequent pilgrimage to Chicago for the blues, but, then again, that's another product of imports, people Chicago didn't want up there in the first place (think back to that ugliness in Lincoln Park). Hell, I have St.Louis and Memphis for the blues. As for those farm reports, those are necessary intelligence updates for the men who feed the world. You can always move into your beloved city, stay off the AM dial or turn off your radio. The FCC doesn't take kindly to folks monkeying with the freqs. If Chicagoland seceded, my state income tax would drop and so would my property taxes. Ciao, Chi-town! -- Mark McHugh Illinois go bráth! *to see the pretty Russian word, use KOI8-R coding and the appropriate fonts DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Bill Clinton's Third Term (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- From: Koenig's International News [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 30, 1999 Subj: Bill Clinton's Third Term Note from Bill Koenig: I typically don't distribute news like this, but with the United States at such a critical point in many world events, and the fact this information is from the credible Newsmax.com news service, I decided to pass this on to you for your thought and prayer. http://216.46.238.34/showinsidecover.shtml?a=1999/8/29/171120 With Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff For the story behind the story... Sunday August 29, 6:03 PM Bill Clinton's "Third Term" Sean David Morton is a futurologist. He says he can predict the future. Morton, no doubt, has many friends in Hollywood that like such new age stuff. A NewsMax reader sent us a copy of Morton's "The Delphi Associates Newsletter." The following caught Inside Cover's eye: "I have now heard confirmation from three different sources who are very close to the Clintons that Bill has no intention of leaving the White House! At first I thought it was just right-wing paranoia. But a powerful woman friend of mine in entertainment (who must remain nameless!), who is a friend of Hillary's 'special friends,' was at the White House recently for a holiday. She said that Clinton spoke openly about finding a way to circumvent the Congress and the Constitution and find a way to stay on for another term, or stay president indefinitely. Incredulously, she asked how he was going to swing this feat of magic, and she said he got the most chilling, evil, demonic look in his eye that she had ever seen come from a human being, and he said, 'World War III.'" "This same story I heard from my lady friend, and another relation of the Clintons, was recently confirmed in an article by Ralph Forbes. It seems Clinton has been running this scheme past a number of his inner circle, and is actively seeking ways to implement his goal." Koenig's International News - Bill Koenig - http://watch.org/ Post Office Box 671127, Dallas, TX 75367 . DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Bomb that gave Clinton victory
-Caveat Lector- The Bomb that gave Clinton victory By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard London Telegraph. Nov. 10, 1996 Relaxing on Air Force One after the election, Bill Clinton told reporters it was the Oklahoma bombing that proved the turning-point in his political fortunes. It was the moment when the militias, the Christian Right and the Gingrich onslaught against government, all melded together in the public mind as one rampant movement of extremism. "It broke a spell in the country as the people began searching for our common ground again," said Clinton. I was struck by the observation, because I have long believed that the Oklahoma bombing was the spring-board for the remarkable come-back of Clinton. The truck bomb that blew up the Murrah Federal building on April 19, 1995, killing 168 people, was a traumatic event. Had it been carried out by foreign radicals, the information impact on the national psyche would have been far less. But this was a home-grown conspiracy. Americans were committing mass murder against other Americans. A class full of infants in a day-care center massacred in cold blood -- by Americans. Clinton seized the moment. He blamed Right-wing radio talk shows for sowing distrust of government institutions and for creating a climate of "hate" that fostered recourse to violence. He did not name the Republicans as co-conspirators; he did not have to. The US media made the connection for him. Tim McVeigh was the military expression of the Gingrich agenda, opined the commentators. Republicans had failed to understand that rhetoric has consequences, and now look what had happened. A few Republicans dared to reply that it was the deployment of tanks and CS gas by a militarized FBI against women and children in Waco that had set off the deadly spiral. But most of them were too intimidated, or horrified, to articulate a defense. It worked like magic for Clinton. With control over the Justice Department and the FBI -- which he has politicized to an extraordinary degree -- he has been able to shape perception of the bombing. But what if the government has suppressed the full truth? What if the most important investigation in modern history has been compromised to ensure the re-election of the President? These are not idle questions. A family that lost two children in the day-care center has accused the Justice Department of a cover-up. After conducting their own private investigation for the past 18 months Glenn and Cathy Wilburn have amassed evidence suggesting that the government had prior knowledge of the bombing -- and negligently failed to stop it... The Wilburns, and their daughter Eyde Smith, have now taken their case to the Oklahoma courts. In a civil lawsuit they have named two men -- Michael Brescia and a former German army officer, Andreas Strassmeir -- as alleged accomplices of McVeigh. They have accused the Justice Department of failing to pursue all the conspirators because one or more of them were federal informants who had penetrated the bombing ring. Fortunately for Clinton this story did not break in the mainstream media before the election. But it has been percolating gradually for several months. A number of newspapers in Oklahoma, Kansas, and Tennessee have reported the Wilburn allegations... The Justice Department has immense power, of course... . DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Clinton Plots World War III
-Caveat Lector- http://www.spotlight.org/Subscriptions/Forbes/forbes.html Clinton Plots World War III The president has been plotting the third world war since at least the summer of 1998. EXCLUSIVE TO THE SPOTLIGHT By Ralph Forbes Bill Clinton and I have known each other well enough to address each other by first names since 1974. There have been times during campaigns, legislative sessions, etc., when we crossed paths daily, often many times a day. In no wise do I consider myself to be part of his inner circles, but I have been very close to many of those closest to him. Even though I have generally opposed Bill's policies over the years I have retained some relationships with people who are quite close to him. One such "mutual acquaintance" was invited to Washington during the summer of 1998. During this visit he was present with Bill and Hillary and a small circle discussing the never-ending Monica scandals. Bill did not want to have his legacy dominated by L'affaire Lewinsky. In fact he did not want to leave the White House when his term expired in 2001. He wanted to have even a longer run in power than FDR's four terms. But to do that he would have to get around the Constitution which limited him to two terms. Any attempt to revoke the amendment to the Constitution or get the Supreme Court to declare it unconstitutional were almost certain to fail. But Bill never let anything stop him, so what could he do to take the spotlight off of the sensational sex scandals? What could he possibly do to perpetuate his presidential power? Bill smiled slyly: "World War III." My source would want to imagine that it was said in jest, but I know Bill and my blood ran cold as this incident was related to me. To protect my source I have had to truncate and redact the discourse of this event as it was told to me. However, in support of this story I am making a sworn affidavit to the fundamental facts: The source is someone who is a longtime Clinton friend, who was invited to stay with the Clintons in Washington. This source reveled in telling about his/her close and intimate association with President Clinton to his/her own circle of friends. In the course of these boastings he/she related many details of his/her visit. In particular, he (or she) was clear in describing the memorable evening in which President Clinton proffered his solution for killing two birds with one stone: Overshadowing the Lewinsky scandals in his historical legacy and perpetuating his political powers indefinitely, would be to start the third World War. 3) Because I know Clinton, I believe it to be true and credible that he would start a world war to procure his political ambitions. Also because I know Clinton I believe the statement that world war was what he needed to solve his problems and to consummate his goals was not said in jest. Lightheartedly tossing out an idea as a "solution," to see how it would fly within his own circle of friends, is typical modus operandi for Bill. Every word, every idea is calculated for effect, constructed with built-in escape clauses. The pattern would be to deliberately launch it as a trial balloon. When it flew, he used it as a talking point to contrive a working strategy. As corroborative evidence that the witness of the source is true and correct I submit these facts: President Clinton cynically launched terror bombing attacks against two sovereign, small nations timed to take the attention away from his own admissions of lying, perjury, obstruction of justice and scandalous behavior in the Oval Office, etc. Bill's excuse came up pretty lame when the destroyed "chemical lab" turned out to be the only source of medicine for the sick in Sudan. President Clinton cynically launched terror bombing attacks against Iraq in a transparent attempt to short circuit the impeachment proceedings against him. His excuse to justify the timing was that he was afraid he would cause an indignant uprising throughout Islam if he killed innocent women and children during the holy month of Ramadan. (This hypocritical "respect for religious sensibilities" was flagrantly absent when he cared not a whit if he killed innocent women and children in Yugoslavia by relentlessly bombing on Easter Sunday.) Clinton survived impeachment because of a gutless, corrupt Congress cowed by blackmail and extortion. Bill went into impeachment as a disgraced lame duck, but he emerged as a dangerous wounded beast. Only someone who was desperate and obsessed with his "legacy" would light a fuse in the Balkans powder keg. But Bill Clinton and his gang of sociopaths waged criminal aggressive war against the defenseless people of Yugoslavia. Hundreds of innocents are dead and maimed. Homes, hospitals, schools, factories, bridges, power plants, water sources, the embassies of neutral nations, even homes in
Re: [CTRL] (Fwd) More on Hillary for prez
-Caveat Lector- In light of Bill being the puppet president for the controlling elite- this posting deserves the chuckle of the day award!!! thanks for making me smile!! this is cute! Hilary the puppet of the puppet. No I think when Bill is out of there, they are kind of done with him. He is out to pasture... He is like the tissue president that he is. He is expendable. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John Szocik Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 12:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] (Fwd) More on Hillary for prez -Caveat Lector- God help this country if by some miraculous chain of events Hillary was elected President. she would be a "puppet" for the office while Bill continued on with running the country from behind the scenes. Who the hell do they think they are fooling?! Pay attention America; please do not let this become a reality!! JOHN DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Give back the church bells
-Caveat Lector- Bob- I was considering dropping out of this listserve. But this one posting makes it worth staying on!! It makes the 18,000 messages worth it!! This is one damm good piece of information!! This posting deserves a sign saying READ ME!! It is shocking and sickening, but no surprise any more. The United States has been stolen right out from under our noses. We each passing generation, it goes further and further under. When will we see what is happening?! Crimes never go unnoticed, do they? The fact that they took the bells, ha! The sword is now turned inward, they set in motion their downfall. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bob Stokes Sent: Friday, September 03, 1999 11:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Give back the church bells -Caveat Lector- www.WorldNetDaily.com FRIDAY SEPTEMBER 03 1999 Give back the church bells Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr. As long as we're on the subject, let's talk about another U.S. government attack on a church. One hundred years ago, during its war on Spain, the U.S. invaded the Philippines, sprayed bullets far and wide, and put the entire country under martial law. The result was costly for the U.S. -- it created a habit of imperialist aggression that is still with us today. And it was also costly for the Philippines: an entire generation suffered from the violence associated with a brutal occupation, or the resulting disease and political turmoil. Now to the church. In Balangiga, the U.S. Army made slaves of the residents and turned the place into a work camp. With indefatigable spirit, the local residents decided not to take it anymore. Church bells of the local Catholic parish began to ring, signaling a revolt, and 45 U.S. soldiers died. In response, the American commander gave orders to murder "everyone in sight," which they promptly did. The result: as many as 50,000 dead Filipinos, among whom were women and children. A bit on the disproportionate side perhaps? Indeed, but like the FBI at Waco, the U.S. military in the Philippines had only one end in mind: total victory. Adding insult to massacre, the U.S. Army then stole the church bells and took them to Warren Air Force base in Cheyenne, Wyo., where they hang today. But now the parish in the Philippines wants them back, as a symbol that all this is just ancient history. They even rebuilt the belfry at the parish in anticipation of the bells' return. But as we've seen in the Waco case, the U.S. government is notoriously unwilling to admit error, particularly bloody, egregious error. Hence, so far, the bells are not forthcoming, despite the attempt on the part of many groups to intervene and put an end to the parading of religious objects as war loot. No, instead Congress has passed a resolution forbidding the return of war booty without its authorization. In case you think the Filipinos are making an unjust demand, consider the context. There was no justification for either the U.S. presence in the Philippines or the violence with which the U.S. carried it out. At stake was little more than a militarized trade dispute between Spain and the U.S., while Cuba, Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Philippines were caught in the crossfire. An American officer testified in a letter to the Philadelphia Ledger on Nov. 11, 1901: "Our men have been relentless, have killed to exterminate men, women, and children, prisoners and captives, active insurgents and suspected people, from lads of ten up, an idea prevailing that the Filipino was little better than a dog." And this gentlemen was writing in defense of the war! Or consider this letter written before the invasion by another officer: "There is no use in mincing words We exterminated the American Indians, and I guess most of us are proud of it, or, at least believe that the end justified the means; and we must have no scruples about exterminating this other race standing in the way of progress and enlightenment, if it is necessary." Neither was this merely the attitude of a few recalcitrant soldiers. Using religion as his cover, President William McKinley later justified his behavior in similar terms. As he told a delegation of Methodist clergymen: "I went down on my knees and prayed to Almighty God for light and guidance ... and one night late it came to me this way We could not leave (the Philippines) to themselves -- they were unfit for self-government -- and they would soon have anarchy and misrule over there worse than Spain's was. ... There was nothing left for us to do but take them all and educate the Filipinos, and uplift and Christianize them." Recall that the Philippines was largely Catholic, which the Protestant ruling elite in this country did not consider to be a Christian religion. And what better way to treat these supposed non-Christians than to starve and kill them? In a similar way, the Branch Davidians were considered to be a dangerous and
[CTRL] ATF attempts to block search for siege evidence
-Caveat Lector- http://www.dallasnews.com/specials/waco/0904waco1evidence.htm ATF attempts to block search for siege evidence Judge acts to let Rangers look for tear-gas shell 09/04/99 By Lee Hancock / The Dallas Morning News A federal judge was forced to intervene Friday after the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms tried to block Texas Rangers from searching a Waco storage facility for evidence that pyrotechnic devices were fired at the Branch Davidian complex. The brief skirmish came as FBI officials in Washington released the second of two newly discovered aerial videotapes that include conversations between FBI commanders about the use of combustible tear-gas canisters. On the tape, which runs from 7:57 a.m. to just before 9:30 a.m. on the final day of the siege, agents report that "military gas" fired at an underground bunker adjacent to the compound had failed to penetrate its target. In other developments Friday, law enforcement officials provided The Dallas Morning News more details of what the FBI had denied for six years until recently - that military-issue tear-gas canisters were used in the April 19, 1993, assault near Waco. For instance: * FBI officials said last week they discovered a Feb. 15, 1996, internal memo acknowledging the use of "two or three military gas rounds" during the siege among files of the agency's general counsel's office. A federal official who spoke on condition of anonymity said Friday that the memo stated that no military tear gas was fired directly at the compound because of "the potential for causing a fire." The FBI had prepared the memo in response to questions raised by U.S. Justice Department lawyers defending a wrongful-death lawsuit filed by Branch Davidians and their families. * A General Accounting Office report on military assistance at the siege found that FBI agents had obtained 50 40 mm "illumination rounds," or flares, and 250 40 mm "high explosive" rounds from the U.S. Army for use during the standoff. All of the rounds can be fired with the hand-held M-79 grenade launchers that FBI agents used to send tear-gas rounds into the compound, according to the report, which was released last week. Illumination rounds were used by FBI teams to burn down the cabin hideout of white supremacist Robert Matthews after he shot and wounded one FBI agent and engaged in a gunbattle with others in 1984. Reason for rounds When asked Friday about the need for such devices during the Branch Davidian siege, an FBI official said the illumination rounds were probably sought from the military because "we had people sneaking in [to the compound] at night, and we had people trying to sneak out. "But why they had the H-E [high explosive] rounds, I don't know," said the official, who spoke on the condition he would not be named. Cult leader David Koresh and about 80 followers died during a fire that broke out after noon on April 19, 1993, at the end of a 51-day standoff with the FBI. The siege began Feb. 28, 1993, with a deadly shootout as federal agents tried to arrest Mr. Koresh on weapons charges. The government's admission that pyrotechnic devices were used came only after a former FBI official told The News that two military CS tear-gas grenades had been fired at the bunker. The FBI has said the canisters did not cause the blaze. Attorney General Janet Reno told reporters Friday that she had expressly ordered the FBI not to use pyrotechnic devices of any kind when she approved their plan to assault the Branch Davidian compound with tanks and tear gas. "What I asked for were assurances - and I received assurances - that we would not use incendiary devices or pyrotechnic means of delivering
Re: [CTRL] WACO- THE BIG QUESTION
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/3/99 10:35:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: so you admit that our government has declared war upon the people it is sworn to protect? interesting. Uhh, no. Where do I admit this?? so you are willing to belive the party line without looking at it through the prism of logic? No, I believe that in this case Koresh and Co. have become a useful, though misguided, symbol for anti-government extremists to rally behind. I'm very openminded, but neither blind nor stupid. you seem to be so quick to condem, why is this are you afraid your government can not stand up to an open door investigation? Quick to condemn?? How many years has it been since the Waco barbecue?? Not quick to condemn here... I think the government ought to be scrutinized at every possible oppourtunity, but that doesn't make Waco a legitimate "conspiracy"... And what was Koresh's reason for not allowing an "open-door investigation"? Had he complied, and been so clean, he'd have been vindicated Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Film producer says flash-bangs may have started fire at Mount Carmel
-Caveat Lector- http://www.accesswaco.com/auto/feed/news/local/1999/09/03/936404068.21703.0065.0446.html Film producer says flash-bangs may have started fire at Mount Carmel By MARK ENGLAND Tribune-Herald staff writer A film producer claims an evidence log put together by the Texas Department of Public Safety shows that flash-bangs were found near three spots where the fires that destroyed Mount Carmel are thought to have originated. Flash-bangs are concussion devices meant to startle and contain a small amount of pyrotechnics. Mike McNulty apparently the only outsider to view the evidence stored for the upcoming civil lawsuit filed by surviving Davidians against the government thinks the public is paying too much attention to the furor over military tear gas, which is an incendiary device, being used on bunkers located away from the rambling wooden structure that housed David Koresh and his followers. "I'm telling you, those two projectiles didn't start the fire," said McNulty, one of the producers of "Waco: Rules of Engagement." "Other devices may have. We should be talking about those." Earlier this year, McNulty was given access to the Davidian evidence held in Austin by Assistant United States Attorney Bill Johnston of Waco. McNulty said the flash-bangs were mislabeled as silencers or suppressors. Anyone looking at an inventory of the evidence wouldn't know any flash-bangs had been found inside Mount Carmel, he said. "We found six of these in the evidence chain," McNulty said. "Two of those were found outside the building. Four were found inside the building three at the points of origin of the fire." His declaration is based on an evidence log put together by DPS detailing where each piece of evidence was found, McNulty said. Also, arson investigators chosen by the FBI determined that the fire that killed Koresh and 75 followers started simultaneously in three places. DPS officials declined to comment on McNulty's assertion since the evidence is now technically in the custody of U.S. District Judge Walter S. Smith Jr. of Waco. Smith ordered the U.S. Marshals Service to take custody of the evidence, although it has yet to be transferred. FBI spokesman Tron Brekke said no flash-bangs were used on the day of the Davidian fire, April 19, 1993. The Justice Department report on "the events at Waco" notes that flash-bangs were used periodically during the siege. Agents tossed flash-bangs toward Davidians who stepped outside Mount Camel on several occasions, according to the report. Brekke said he wouldn't be surprised to learn that flash-bangs were found inside Mount Carmel. "Fifty-something days before there had been an assault by the ATF, if you'll remember," Brekke said. "There are all kinds of possibilities ... I'm not surprised that they were found somewhere inside. No." Brekke said the FBI still believes the Davidians started the fire. Government bugs inside Mount Carmel picked up voices yelling, "Start the fire," and "The fire is lit," among other things. Surviving Davidians, though, claimed tanks rumbling into their residence knocked over lanterns. How flammable are flash-bangs? Tony Cooper, a University of Texas-Dallas professor and law enforcement consultant, said flash-bangs have the potential to start a fire. "They're called stun grenades," Cooper said. "They're designed to produce a shock wave, which is supposed to have an inhibiting effect against those it's used on. They're used to attack hijackers aboard aircrafts, for example. Anything of an explosive nature, if it comes in contact with materials with a propensity to go up in flames, can act as a kind of detonating agent."
[CTRL] ATF Agents Accused of Threatening Witness
-Caveat Lector- http://www.reagan.com/HotTopics.main/HotMike/document-8.6.1997.3.html ATF Agents Accused of Threatening Witness to Suppress Evidence of Davidians Legal Gun Business JUSTICE DEPARTMENT INVESTIGATING KORESH'S GUN DEALER'S CHARGES AGAINST ATF AGENTS From: Carol Moore - Waco Justice Committee After ATF's brutal February 28, 1993 attack on the Davidians, Henry McMahon, David Koresh's gun dealer, would have happily told the FBI and the press that the Davidians' large purchases were for legitimate business purposes and not part of some nefarious cultist gun plot. That is why on March 1, 1993 ATF agents spirited him and his girlfriend Karen Kilpatrick away from their new home in Florida, claiming Davidians were coming to kill them. Once ATF got them to McMahon's father's in Oregon, ATF agents threatened to destroy McMahon's gun business if he spoke out. McMahon recorded the calls. ATF brought them back to Texas a few weeks later and ATF agents Davy Aguilera and Dale Littleton threatened to have them prosecuted for conspiracy if they did not waive their rights and speak to agents. Littleton pushed Kilpatrick up against a wall. This is certainly worse than what the FBI did to Richard Jewell! McMahon and Kilpatrick originally spoke with the NRA, which later lost interest in their case, and they could not raise enough money to file a civil suit against ATF and its agents within the statute of limitations. They contacted Senator Spector who was going to call them for hearings last fall against ATF. He then canceled the hearings because ATF was doing such a "good job" investigating church burnings. However, Spector did support McMahon and Kilpatrick when they filed a complaint with the Department of Justice (through their local prosecutors) against the ATF agents. They recently were interviewed by the FBI and have been told by Justice Department attorneys they have a very prosecutable case against the ATF agents. In fact, the case may go before a grand jury. Unfortunately, the Washington and major press have not yet picked up on this story, something sure to make the always-reluctant Justice Department find some excuse for not bring this abuse of citizens' rights to a grand jury. So feel free to get this story out to whatever press you know. Have them contact me for the McMahon's phone number. They are happy to tell their story. (Note: McMahon and Kirkpatrick have a web page ( www.dmi.net/waco/) but no e-mail address. Also note: McMahon likes to correct the oft-made assertion he was a Class III gun dealer in the state of Texas, which he was not. He was previously a Class Dealer in another state.) -- --- NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml --- DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Waco Documentary Changes Views of the Disaters
-Caveat Lector- http://www.reagan.com/HotTopics.main/HotMike/document-9.23.1997.4.html THE REAGAN INFORMATION INTERCHANGE WACO: The Rules of Engagement - "No Doubt the Original Raid Was Publicity Stunt" Waco Documentary Changes Views of the Disaters September 19, 1997 A documentary directed and edited by William Gazecki. Running time: 135 minutes. No MPAA rating (scenes of violence and corpses; unsuitable for younger viewers). BY ROGER EBERT, Of Chicago Sun Times Like many news-drenched Americans, I paid only casual attention to the standoff at Waco, Texas, between the Branch Davidians and two agencies of the federal government. I came away with the vague impression that the "cult,'' as it was always styled, was a group of gun-toting crackpots, that they killed several U.S. agents, refused to negotiate and finally shot themselves and burned down their "compound'' after the feds tried to end the siege peacefully with tear gas. Watching William Gazecki's remarkable documentary "Waco: The Rules of Engagement,'' I am more inclined to use the words "religion'' than "cult,'' and "church center'' than "compound.'' Yes, the Branch Davidians had some strange beliefs, but no weirder than those held by many other religions. And it is pretty clear, on the basis of this film, that the original raid was staged as a publicity stunt, and the final raid was a government riot--a tragedy caused by uniformed boys with toys. Of course I am aware that "Waco'' argues its point of view, and that there is no doubt another case to be made. What is remarkable, watching the film, is to realize that the federal case has not been made. Evidence has been "lost,'' files and reports have "disappeared,'' tapes have been returned blank, participants have not testified and the "crime scene,'' as a Texas Ranger indignantly testifies, was not preserved for investigation, but razed to the ground by the FBI--presumably to destroy evidence. The film is persuasive because: 1. It presents testimony from both sides, and shies away from cheap shots. We feel we are seeing a fair attempt to deal with facts. 2. Those who attack the government are not simply lawyers for the Branch Davidians or muckraking authors (although they are represented) but also solid middle-American types like the county sheriff, the district Texas Rangers, the FBI photographer on the scene, and the man who developed and patented some of the equipment used by the FBI itself to film devastating footage that appears to show its agents firing into the buildings--even though the FBI insists it did not fire a single shot. 3. The eyes of the witnesses. We all have built-in truth detectors, and although it is certainly possible for us to be deceived, there is a human instinct that is hard to fool. Those who argue against the government in this film seem to be telling the truth, and their eyes seem to reflect inner visions of what they believe happened, or saw happen. Most of the government defenders, including an FBI spokesman and Attorney General Janet Reno, seem to be following rehearsed scripts and repeating cant phrases. Reno comes across particularly badly: Either she was misled by the FBI and her aides, or she was completely out of touch with what was happening. If the film is to be believed, the Branch Davidians were a harmless if controversial group of religious zealots, their beliefs stretching back many decades, who were singled out for attention by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms for offenses, real or contrived, involving the possession of firearms--which is far from illegal in Texas. The ATF hoped by raiding the group to repair its tarnished image. And when four of itsagents, and several Davidians, were killed in a misguided raid, they played cover-up and turned the case over to the FBI, which mishandled it even more spectacularly. What is clear, no matter which side you believe, is that during the final deadly FBI raid on the buildings, a toxic and flammable gas was pumped into the compound even though women and children were inside. "Tear gas'' sounds innocent, but this type of gas could undergo a chemical transformation intocyanide, and there is a pitiful shot of an 8-year-old child's body bent double, backward, by the muscular contractions caused by cyanide. What comes through strongly is the sense that the attackers were "boys with toys.'' The film
Re: [CTRL] Earthquake In Illinois
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/4/99 1:38:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Us downstaters elect a bumpkin? Let's look at the numbers. Chicago, Cook County and the collar counties contain the majority of the state's population. Unless your people up there don't vote, where even the dead vote, I find it hard to see us electing anyone. Well, I AM talking about Fitzgerald...he's a rich moron who certainly doesn't deserve his senate seat. Ya' see, CMB won Chicago, idiot Fitzgerald took everywhere else, in a way YOU folk elected him...thanks for nothing! Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] OPEN POLLINATED Seed sources,
-Caveat Lector- Lyn, could you please post info about NZ seed companies? I have a friend in NZ who would be interested. Thanks, Tenorlove __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] (Fwd) More on Hillary for prez
-Caveat Lector- --- lfaith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No I think when Bill is out of there, they are kind of done with him. He is out to pasture... He is like the tissue president that he is. He is expendable. Out to STUD? __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Marshals Acting on Reno's Orders Seize F.B.I. Tape
-Caveat Lector- Myron Marlin, a Justice Department spokesman, said tonight that the Justice Department did not learn of the tape's existence until today. "The F.B.I. informed the department that it had come across the material in Quantico, Va.," he said. "On learning of the discovery of the material, senior officials of the Justice Department immediately directed the marshals to take possession of and inventory the materials at the F.B.I.'sheadquarters." I am more than a little suspicious of anything that the FBI informs ANYONE of, ESPECIALLY regarding the Mt. Carmel massacre. Are we to believe that the FBI is handing over evidence that could damn them to hell? __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Waco Spin
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Follows From: William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] You want WACO SPIN??? How about Koresh was a pedophile, a Christian KOOK, and a fella' who REFUSED a lawful inquiry... let us not deify this douche-bag...he's not worthy! -- sounds personaleither you had a hands on role in the case, or you knew Koresh personally, or you are spewing cow puckey. which is it? __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] WACO- THE BIG QUESTION (Time For The Truth)
-Caveat Lector- From: William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Koresh WAS a pedophile, no question about that, Actually, there's a very BIG question about that allegation...it was thoroughly investigated by the State of Texas before the feds got involved, and all the charges were deemed without basis... It was shortly after Texas made that decision that the feds decided to get involved but WHY didn't he and the rest of his "Branch DavIdiots" comply with the fed's??? Why should they? I suggest you read the Bill of Rights... Why barricade yourself inside a "compound" They weren't 'barricaded' until the feds decided to illegally invade... If any of us refused a lawful request WAS it lawful? If everything was so legit (not his offspring though) why not air these things in public??? Get a copy of the December 1993 issue of Bible Review...in it, the editors of the magazine have an article detailing their attempts to talk to Koresh, and hear what he had to say...at first, the feds welcomed their help, but after Clinton took office, the editors of BR found the feds less and less willing to listen to them, finally revealing that the feds completely ignored their recommendations to hold off, at least until after Passover and Easter...when Koresh was supposed to have his final treatise finished...for some reason the feds seemed intent on NOT having whatever Koresh wrote in that be let out to the public (Koresh was going to release it to the editors of BY for publication) The article is very critical of the feds, and the way they handled the situation... There has been a document that has circulated on the Internet purporting to be Koresh's last document, his interpretation of the Seventh Seal... but according to the editors of BR, the feds grabbed this diskette when it was attempted to be snuck out of the compound, and apparantly they've never let it go...so I suspect that the document that has circulated onthe Internet is either a forgery, or a 3rd party's guess as to what Koresh put in there... In a court where reporters would be there, maybe even CourtTV! Which wasn't in existence, or at least in a very limited market, in 1993. You believe everything you see on TV? Especially orchestrated televised courtroom melodramas, where every action and statement is later interpreted for us by the blowdried blowhards who know who butters their bread? June ;-) *===* If we listened to our intellect, we'd never have a love affair. We'd never have a friendship. We'd never go into business, because we'd be cynical. Well, that's nonsense. You've got to jump off cliffs all the time and build your wings on the way down. ---Ray Bradbury *===* *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: RITALIN NAZISM
-Caveat Lector- From: Ian Goddard [EMAIL PROTECTED] A question of ethics... ARGUMENTATION PURPORTING THAT THE LONG-TERM COMPULSORY USE OF RITALIN BY CHILDREN VIOLATES ANTI-NAZI LAW: The Nuremberg Code was written to protect All People from the types of crimes against humanity committed by the Nazi regime. The Nuremberg Code states that in medical experimentation "voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential." The Code also states that such consent must be obtained "without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, over- reaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion..." [1] Let's observe how the long-term use of Ritalin by children (given to millions of kids to make them more obedient in school) can violate the Nuremberg Code: LONG-TERM RITALIN SAFETY EFFICACY IN CHILDREN IS STILL EXPERIMENTAL The manufacturer of Ritalin (Novartis) states in their current package insert: "Sufficient data on safety and efficacy of long-term use of Ritalin in children are not yet available. ... Long-term effects of Ritalin in children have not been well established." (1998) This means that long-term use of Ritalin in children is still in the experimental stage and conforms to the definition of "medical experiment": a tentative medical procedure. Furthermore, data is gathered by the FDA on adverse effects of approved drugs in order to monitor for potential health hazards, which constitutes an ongoing drug experiment in which all drug-using patients are subjects, which is a major part of the long-term data. Long-term use in children is also ALWAYS a test, or experiment, per child to see if Ritalin continues to suppress or begins to cause other forms of harm to the child. (Research suggests that long-term Ritalin use could be associated with brain atrophy, psychiatric disorders, and stunted growth. It should also be noted that in medical research the phrase "long-term" can mean anywhere from three weeks to three years.) RITALIN USE BY KIDS IS INHERENTLY COERCIVE As Peter Breggin, MD, has established, [2] many-to-most children don't like and don't want to take Ritalin. This indicates that children are being coerced to take Ritalin. Even if a child offers no resistance, the conditions for obtaining consent stipulated in the Nuremberg Code can still be violated by the very nature of a child's powerless subordination to the rule of adults, which clearly constitutes an "element of force." (An aside: the Nuremberg Code also states that a subject must "have legal capacity to give consent," which no child has). ERGO: since long-term Ritalin use by children is experimental, and since it always will be experimental for each individual, if Ritalin use by a child is coerced, however subtle that coercion may be, this constitutes involuntary human experimentation that is a violation of the Nuremburg Code, and as such, it constitutes a crime against humanity. Millions of children in US schools are likely victims of such Nazism. _ [1] The Nuremberg Code (see requirement number 1): http://www.med.nus.edu.sg/phar/sgcpp/nuremburg.htm [2] "Talking Back To Ritalin," Peter Breggin, MD. See chapter 5 "'They Never Like The Medication'" http://www.breggin.com/prbbooks.html or library Side Effects of Ritalin Everyone Should Know: http://www.breggin.com/ritalinbkexcerpt.html This article on Ritalin will be posted here: http://www.erols.com/igoddard/nazi-rit.htm -- copyright 1999 Ian Williams Goddard -- GODDARD'S JOURNAL: http://www.erols.com/igoddard/journal.htm *** Lloyd Miller, Research Director for A-albionic Research (POB 20273, Ferndale, MI 48220), a ruling class/conspiracy research resource for the entire political-ideological spectrum. Quarterly journal, book sales, rare/out-of-print searches, New Paradigms Discussion List, Weekly Up-date Lists E-text Archive of research, intelligence, catalogs, resources. To Discuss Ideas: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://msen.com/~lloyd/ For Ordering Info Free Catalog: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://a-albionic.com/formaddress.html For Discussion List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] text in body: subscribe prj [EMAIL PROTECTED] **FREE RARE BOOK SEARCH: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Explore Our Archive: http://a-albionic.com/a-albionic.html Every Diet Has Failed! What Can I do? Click Below to "Ask Dr. Kathleen"! http://www.radiantdiet.com/cgi-bin/slim/deliver.cgi?ask-1364
Re: [CTRL] WACO Spin
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Follows From: William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] You want WACO SPIN??? How about Koresh was a pedophile, a Christian KOOK, and a fella' who REFUSED a lawful inquiry... let us not deify this douche-bag...he's not worthy! --I responded: sounds personaleither you had a hands on role in the case, or you knew Koresh personally, or you are spewing cow puckey. which is it? -- William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] said [in a personal email not sent to the list]: It's no more personal than those who choose to deify the guy. No role in the case, didn't know the kook...as for spewing "cow puckey", if giving educated opinion qualifies...I guess so...I wonder though, is it only "cow puckey" when YOU don't agree with the stated opinion? -- I say: I believe that questions remain unanswered. With the FBI's stance being constantly contradicted by the evidence, often forcing them to pubicly backtrack, something smells fishy. I have not made up my mind because so many questions remain unanswered. YOU, on the other hand, don't seem to need this multitude of questions answered in order to KNOW that everything the FBI has said on this case just HAS to be true. I do not purport to know what happened. YOU do. So unless you had a hands on role in the case [in which case I urge you to share what you know], you either knew Koresh and have something personal against him [in which case I urge you to share what you know] or you are spewing python poopoo. So which is it? __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Rebel Without a Cause: Dennis Hopper, now 63
-Caveat Lector- ISSUE 1562 Saturday 4 September 1999 Fit to be tamed Dennis Hopper has put behind him four wives and addictions to both alcohol and drugs. Now 63 and married to a woman half his age, he is taking care of business again, making three films a year, building up his art collection and planning a worldwide exhibition of his photographs. By Jessica de Rothschild DRIVING down the LA highway isn't quite what it used to be. For one thing, there is the infamous traffic, slowly snaking through the afternoon heat. For another, the aggressive urban sprawl has resulted in a surfeit of ugly shopping malls, fast-food diners and high-rise apartment blocks that appear incongruous in a town obsessed by appearances. Sandwiched between the freeway and the sea is Venice. Traditionally home to artists and artisans, it too has suffered the curse of gentrification. But although the small shops and quirky bars are increasingly under threat from the developers, it still has a reputation as a hotbed of creative talent and hippie ideals. Normally, movie stars prefer to live in Beverly Hills or Bel Air, in large mansions with Gone with the Wind-style staircases, but Dennis Hopper isn't a normal movie star and Venice, with all its diversity, suits him perfectly. Dennis Hopper with his wife Victoria Cane Duffy at the Cannes Film Festival in 1997 Hopper lives with his fifth wife, the actress Victoria Duffy Hopper, in a building that looks like a large silver church, a couple of blocks back from the beach. Flanked by a white picket-fence, the building seems to shoot out of the ground like a rocket, and apart from a large door set in the corrugated iron facade, there is nothing to suggest that anyone lives there. It is, in fact, a studio designed by Frank Gehry which, along with two other buildings, combines to make an extensive network of walkways and spaces that are crammed to the rafters with canvases. Hopper is in his office with one of his assistants, checking a seemingly endless list of paintings that have been catalogued for insurance purposes. Dressed in a baseball cap and golfing trousers, he wears a deep tan and is palpably relaxed. The famous gravelly voice which has made numerous audiences squirm is in reality soft and courteous. Nevertheless, that famous 'it' factor, the thing that propels you from waiting at tables to front row at the Oscars, is at full force. Andy Warhol painted the icons of his time. Dennis Hopper is one of the survivors. It is incredible to think that Hopper, now 63, has been involved in the film industry for more than 40 years. Not just because longevity is so rare in an industry which is notorious for its rapid turnover of 'talent', but because Hopper's well-documented addiction to drugs and alcohol kept him away from the Hollywood mainstream for nearly 15 years. Sober and drug-free since 1983, he now makes an average of three films a year, often in the independent sector. His staying-power means that the teenagers who first saw him in Rebel Without a Cause with James Dean and as the drugged-out anti-hero in the 1969 film Easy Rider are probably the parents of the whole new generation of fans who were won over by his roles in True Romance and Speed. Along the way he has garnered one Oscar nomination in 1986 for Hoosiers, as a former basketball star who is enlisted to coach the local team, and a reputation for playing some of the most terrifying criminals and madmen on film. But it is for Easy Rider that Hopper will be remembered, the film that along with Warren Beatty's Bonnie and Clyde changed the face of modern cinema. What is not as widely known about Dennis Hopper is that as well as actor and director, he is a photographer, painter and a major modern art collector with more than 200 works in his collection. You only have to look around the house to see the evidence. In one room, which houses a small screening theatre, there are hundreds of black and white photographs stacked against a wall, waiting to be catalogued for Hopper's retrospective exhibition, which will be shown around the world next year. In another room several partitions slide in and out of the wall, all hung with different works and displayed according to mood. Downstairs, even the strange indoor garage which opens on to the sitting-room is filled with portraits, and upstairs the man himself is the subject of a 1971 Warhol that hangs next to the fireplace. 'I've been married five times, so very often the collection stays with the last wife,' Hopper laughs, lighting a massive cigar, probably one of the few vices left that he is allowed to indulge in. 'But a lot of the paintings have ended up in museums or in various universities around the United States.' Hopper's first collection, which he started in 1961, went to his first wife, Brooke Hayward (the daughter of producer Leland Hayward), when their eight-year marriage fell apart. It had included Warhol's first Campbell's Soup tin painting - which he bought
[CTRL] hillary for prez
-Caveat Lector- Sorry, Friend! you got it backwards: HILLARY is the one running the country. Bill is merely her puppet/spokesman! -- Michael The Outlawlady The Joshua Files http://members.spree.com/education/2302410/ DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] ATF attempts to block search for [Waco] siege evidence
-Caveat Lector- ATF attempts to block search for siege evidence Judge acts to let Rangers look for tear-gas shell 09/04/99 http://www.dallasmorningnews.com/specials/waco/0904waco1evidence.htm By Lee Hancock / The Dallas Morning News A federal judge was forced to intervene Friday after the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms tried to block Texas Rangers from searching a Waco storage facility for evidence that pyrotechnic devices were fired at the Branch Davidian complex. The brief skirmish came as FBI officials in Washington released the second of two newly discovered aerial videotapes that include conversations between FBI commanders about the use of combustible tear-gas canisters. On the tape, which runs from 7:57 a.m. to just before 9:30 a.m. on the final day of the siege, agents report that "military gas" fired at an underground bunker adjacent to the compound had failed to penetrate its target. In other developments Friday, law enforcement officials provided The Dallas Morning News more details of what the FBI had denied for six years until recently - that military-issue tear-gas canisters were used in the April 19, 1993, assault near Waco. For instance: * FBI officials said last week they discovered a Feb. 15, 1996, internal memo acknowledging the use of "two or three military gas rounds" during the siege among files of the agency's general counsel's office. A federal official who spoke on condition of anonymity said Friday that the memo stated that no military tear gas was fired directly at the compound because of "the potential for causing a fire." The FBI had prepared the memo in response to questions raised by U.S. Justice Department lawyers defending a wrongful-death lawsuit filed by Branch Davidians and their families. * A General Accounting Office report on military assistance at the siege found that FBI agents had obtained 50 40 mm "illumination rounds," or flares, and 250 40 mm "high explosive" rounds from the U.S. Army for use during the standoff. All of the rounds can be fired with the hand-held M-79 grenade launchers that FBI agents used to send tear-gas rounds into the compound, according to the report, which was released last week. Illumination rounds were used by FBI teams to burn down the cabin hideout of white supremacist Robert Matthews after he shot and wounded one FBI agent and engaged in a gunbattle with others in 1984. Reason for rounds When asked Friday about the need for such devices during the Branch Davidian siege, an FBI official said the illumination rounds were probably sought from the military because "we had people sneaking in [to the compound] at night, and we had people trying to sneak out. "But why they had the H-E [high explosive] rounds, I don't know," said the official, who spoke on the condition he would not be named. Cult leader David Koresh and about 80 followers died during a fire that broke out after noon on April 19, 1993, at the end of a 51-day standoff with the FBI. The siege began Feb. 28, 1993, with a deadly shootout as federal agents tried to arrest Mr. Koresh on weapons charges. The government's admission that pyrotechnic devices were used came only after a former FBI official told The News that two military CS tear-gas grenades had been fired at the bunker. The FBI has said the canisters did not cause the blaze. Attorney General Janet Reno told reporters Friday that she had expressly ordered the FBI not to use pyrotechnic devices of any kind when she approved their plan to assault the Branch Davidian compound with tanks and tear gas. "What I asked for were assurances - and I received assurances - that we would not use incendiary devices or pyrotechnic means of delivering incendiary devices. And I made no distinction between any part of the compound," she said. Infrared tapes U.S. marshals dispatched by the Justice Department found aerial infrared videotapes spanning the first hours of the early-morning assault at the FBI offices in Quantico, Va. A tape released Thursday captured a radio transmission in which the FBI's Hostage Rescue Team commander, Richard M. Rogers, granted permission for an agent to fire military tear-gas rounds at the bunker. The tape released Friday includes transmissions of agents saying the military canisters fired from a Bradley fighting vehicle didn't get into the bunker. "The military gas did not penetrate that bunker. . . . It bounced off," a male voice says at 8:08 a.m. Texas Rangers began uncovering evidence that pyrotechnic tear-gas rounds were used by the FBI almost a month before the latest disclosures. The Rangers were brought in when the Branch Davidian standoff began, and they were asked by the Justice Department to keep all of the key evidence from the resulting criminal investigations and trials. This summer, the Rangers began an inquiry to try to resolve questions about unidentified shell casings and projectiles in their evidence lockers. They have identified one of the
[CTRL] Dallas Morning News Waco News Archive
-Caveat Lector- The Dallas Morning News has links to all recent and related Waco siege stories at the following URL: http://www.dallasmorningnews.com/specials/waco/ Cheers, Lucio http://memebers.tripod.com/gonzolinks Bringing you the best of the broadband apocalypse DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: The Week Online with DRCNet, Issue #106
The Week Online with DRCNet, Issue #106 -- September 3, 1999 A Publication of the Drug Reform Coordination Network PLEASE COPY AND DISTRIBUTE (To sign off this list, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] with the line "signoff drc-natl" in the body of the message, or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. To subscribe to this list, visit http://www.drcnet.org/signup.html.) This issue can be also be read on our web site at http://www.drcnet.org/wol/106.html. TABLE OF CONTENTS 1. California Governor Offers to Sign Revised Needle Exchange Bill http://www.drcnet.org/wol/106.html#ab518 2. CASA Study Finds Marijuana Easier for Teens to Get Than Beer http://www.drcnet.org/wol/106.html#casastudy 3. Doctor Sanctioned for Undertreating Patients' Pain http://www.drcnet.org/wol/106.html#painsanctions 4. Los Angeles Police Forcibly Enter Home, Kill Grandfather in Raid http://www.drcnet.org/wol/106.html#badraid 5. News in Brief http://www.drcnet.org/wol/106.html#newsbriefs 6. Swiss Government Promises Marijuana Decriminalization http://www.drcnet.org/wol/106.html#swissdecrim 7. ACLU Report Urges Businesses to Rethink Employee Drug Testing http://www.drcnet.org/wol/106.html#aclureport 8. Media Alert: Print and Screen http://www.drcnet.org/wol/106.html#printandscreen 1. California Governor Offers to Sign Revised Needle Exchange Bill After threatening to veto AB 518, a needle exchange bill passed by both houses of the California legislature, Gov. Gray Davis has offered to sign a compromise bill that allows communities to authorize needle exchange programs, but only by issuing emergency orders that must be renewed every two weeks. Davis' shift follows calls from elected officials of both parties, including Los Angeles Mayor Richard Riordan, a Republican, and 21 members of California's Congressional delegation, in an open letter organized by U.S. Rep. Nancy Pelosi. AB 518 was sponsored by Assemblymember Kerry Mazzoni, who represents Marin County, one of the jurisdictions that issues emergency orders to protect the local needle exchange. The original bill required local authorization of needle exchange programs, but did not require the biweekly emergency orders. In a statement issued on Wednesday, 9/1, Pat Christen, Executive Director of the San Francisco AIDS Foundation, said, "It is deeply discouraging that a compromise was necessary given the lives at stake, the overwhelming scientific evidence and the polling data in support of needle exchange. Nevertheless, the compromise is clearly a step in the right direction, consistent with our agency's harm reduction approach to HIV prevention." SFAF operates the HIV Prevention Point needle exchange, the largest such program in the country, which provides over 2.1 million syringes annually, to over 5,000 people. Many communities, however, have shied away from needle exchange programs, due to the legal ambiguity of local official support vs. state law that makes provision of syringes without a prescription a misdemeanor. SFAF Public Policy Director Regina Arag¢n said, "Our hope is that, once [AB 518 is] enacted, additional communities across the state will take advantage of these legal protections." Because the exact language of the compromise has not been finalized, it is not yet possible to assess the likely impact on communities that wish to offer needle exchange. (See http://www.drcnet.org/wol/105.html#nepsupport for results of the recent Field Institute survey and http://www.drcnet.org/wol/104.html#caldelegation for additional background information on AB 518. Visit Syringe Exchange Resources Online at http://www.projectsero.org for much more about the needle exchange issue.) 2. CASA Study Finds Marijuana Easier for Teens to Get Than Beer Joe Califano's Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse released results this week of a survey that asked 2,000 teens and 1,000 parents about attitudes and opinions on drugs and drug use. Among the least surprising, if most trumpeted results are findings that teens who have stable relationships with both parents are less likely to use drugs than those who describe their intra-familial relationships as antagonistic. Bonnie Ross, a high school prevention, resource and intervention counselor in Oregon, told The Week Online that the issue of kids' parental relationships as a risk factor for substance abuse was a no-brainer. "How much did they spend to do that survey?" she asked. "That conclusion would be a pretty obvious one for anyone who works with kids who use or abuse drugs. The money for that survey would have been better spent on resources for these kids. Stable connections, whether it be with parents, educators, coaches, any caring adult, really, serve as an anchor. Kids who feel disconnected and adrift in the world
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Should we trust the government?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/02/1999 7:02:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In the face of this unprecedented attack on American citizens by agents of their own government, a deadly assault that sparked the militia movement as well as the bombing of the Federal Building in Oklahoma City, an unprecedented silence befell the press. No one stepped forward to be the Davidians friend, writes Richard Shweder, author of Thinking Through Cultures, in the New York Times. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms spent months planning and rehearsing the largest law enforcement operation of its 200-year history. This turned out to be a major military operation, worthy of a police state, carried out against the domestic residence of an unpopular and readily stigmatized religious community. The ACLU does not like guns, and its very busy, so it didnt get involved. The religious leaders of our country do not like cults, and the womens movement does not like patriarchal living arrangements, so they didnt much care. And no one wanted to seem sympathetic to child abuse or unsympathetic to the FBI. I don't know anyone who "trusts" the Government. Trust is not important here. And will you people quit baying about IMPEACHMENT. Just what good does or would it do? I'm so tired of all this basically partisan nonsense. Janet Reno is not fully to blame for WACO or Ruby Ridge and neither is Clinton. Our nation's entire police and intelligence systems have evolved into a league of crazed gestapo-types, and you think impeachment would have an affect on that? We have problems in this town, which is barely a hundred thousand. Police officers are required who are not "too intelligent." God forbid that we place authority and arms in the hands of anyone who has a high IQ. The police in New York City and most other major cities are treating the citizens who pay their wages as a cross between preferred targets and marks (an old Carney term), and you want to impeach the president? There is a lot here that needs to be done. Why do our national agencies that are supposed to be protecting us and our interests behave like badly trained television swat teams? What happened to bravery and brains? What happeded to the low key and very effective presence that used to be law enforcement? Police were always present, but they didn't feel obligated to shoot or beat up every citizen who bumped into them. Why do they now? There's a lot that needs to be done here, and I suggest that citizens start finding a way that they can be saved from the police and federal agencies which now seem only to be looking for excuses to abuse them. It has nothing to do with Clinton or Reno. It didn't start with Clinton's administration, and it won't stop with a Republican in the White House either. Remember all that "LAW AND ORDER" you wanted? Well to carefully recruited, not too smart folks who are now serving as our nation's finest. That means, lock and load and go get em' Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] ::: The Marketing of Martian Memetics :::
-Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:549777"::: The Marketing of Martian Memetics :::/A - Subject: ::: The Marketing of Martian Memetics ::: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brother Blue) Date: Fri, 03 September 1999 01:43 PM EDT Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ::: The Marketing of Martian Memetics ::: [excerpts from _CIA's Role in the Study of UFOs_, 1947-90, by Gerald K. Haines] [...] "According to [then DCI Walter Bedell] Smith, it was CIA's responsibility by statute to coordinate the intelligence effort required to solve the problem. Smith also wanted to know what use could be made of the UFO phenomenon in connection with US *PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE* efforts." [...] "The Air Force rejected the theories that the sightings involved US or Soviet secret weapons development or that they involved 'men from Mars'; there was no evidence to support these concepts. The Air Force briefers sought to explain these UFO reports as the misinterpretation of known objects or little understood natural phenomena. Air Force and CIA officials agreed that outside knowledge of Agency interest in UFOs would make the problem more serious. This concealment of CIA interest contributed greatly to later charges of a CIA conspiracy and coverup." [...] "The CIA Study Group also searched the Soviet press for UFO reports, but found none, causing the group to conclude that the absence of reports had to have been the result of deliberate Soviet Government policy. The group also envisioned the USSR's possible use of UFOs as a *PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE* tool." [...] "At the same time, pressure was building for the release of the Robertson panel report on UFOs. In 1956, Edward Ruppelt, former head of the Air Force BLUE BOOK [i.e. B:.B:.] project, publicly revealed the existence of the panel. A best-selling book by UFOlogist Donald Keyhoe, a retired Marine Corps major, advocated release of all government information relating to UFOs. Civilian UFO groups such as the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena (NICAP) and the Aerial Phenomena Research Organization (APRO) immediately pushed for release of the Robertson panel report. Under pressure, the Air Force approached CIA for permission to declassify and release the report. Despite such pressure, Philip Strong, Deputy Assistant Director of OSI, refused to declassify the report and declined to disclose CIA sponsorship of the panel. As an alternative, the Agency prepared a sanitized version of the report which deleted any reference to CIA and avoided mention of any *PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE* potential in the UFO controversy." [...] "In the early 1960s, Keyhoe, Davidson, and other UFOlogists maintained their assault on the Agency for release of UFO information. Davidson now claimed that CIA 'was solely responsible for creating the Flying Saucer furor as a tool for cold war *PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE* since 1951.'" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [A recently declassified (FOIA) and highly relevant CIA document.] [dated 1952] Central Intelligence Agency, Washington 25, D.C. Office of the Director Memorandum to: Director, Psychological Strategy Board Subject: Flying Saucers I am today transmitting to the National Security Council a proposal (TAB A) in which it is concluded that the problems connected with unidentified flying objects appear to have implications for *PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE* as well as for intelligence and operations. The background for this view is presented in some detail in TAB B. I suggest that we discuss as an early board meeting the possible offensive or defensive utilization of these phenomena for *PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE* purposes. Walter B. Smith Director -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [commentary on the Pentacle Memorandum by the ineffable Dr. Vallee] 27 April 1993 Barry Greenwood JUST CAUSE Dear Barry: Thank you for sending me your thoughtful commentary about the Pentacle document. I do agree with you on one point: the significance of the memo comes, in part, from what it does not say. In particular, it makes no reference to any recovered UFO hardware, at Roswell or elsewhere, or to alien bodies. The greater significance of what it does say will slowly emerge in coming years as the overall implications come to light. Let me draw your attention to three specific points. Project Twinkle and other observational efforts by the military, which you mention in an effort to show that Pentacle was only dusting off an old idea, were purely passive projects. In sharp contrast the Pentacle proposal goes far beyond anything mentioned before. It daringly states that "many different types of aerial activity should be SECRETLY AND PURPOSEFULLY SCHEDULED WITHIN THE AREA (my emphasis)." It is difficult to be more clear. We are not talking simply about setting up observing stations and cameras. We are
[CTRL] 3rd World Disease In New York. Malathion To Be Sprayed.
-Caveat Lector- CITY ON ALERT AS PESTS SPREAD DEADLY VIRUS By DAVID SEIFMAN New York Post. -- -- The city launched an unprecedented war against mosquitoes in northern Queens yesterday after 24 people were stricken with bug-borne encephalitis - and two of them died. Mayor Giuliani urged New Yorkers not to panic, as officials identified the dead as an 80-year-old man and an 87-year-old woman. The Queens residents died Tuesday and Thursday, respectively, at Flushing Hospital. Officials said the man was the first confirmed death in New York City from St. Louis Encephalitis, a rare but potentially fatal disease of the central nervous system. The disease is believed to have killed the woman, too, but officials said they're awaiting lab results before saying so definitively. "Obviously, it's easy to say to people don't panic - they shouldn't," said Mayor Giuliani at a press conference with health and emergency personnel outside marshy Powell's Cove, believed to be an epicenter of the mosquito explosion. "We'll do everything we can to wipe out the mosquito population." Officials emphasized that the chances of being bitten by the Culex pipiens mosquito - the only one that carries the virus - were slim. And most of those who are bitten will develop no symptoms, said Dr. Neal Cohen, the city's health commissioner. The virus cannot be transmitted person to person. "Approximately one out of 300 mosquito bites of an infected mosquito - and the number of infected mosquitoes is likely to be very small relative to the overall mosquito population" - will result in transmittal of the disease, said Cohen. But Giuliani cautioned, "It can be very, very dangerous, particularly for people over 60." Taking no chances, officials mobilized for a type of health emergency more common to leafy suburbs and Southern swamps than the nation's largest city. Helicopters filled with Malathion, described as a "quite safe" insecticide, began spraying sections of College Point, Whitestone and Auburndale for two hours from 6:45 p.m. Wide-scale street spraying was planned for today. More than 250 workers fanned out across a 4-square-mile area, distributing leaflets about St. Louis Encephalitis and 17,000 cans of insect repellent. Consumer Affairs Commissioner Jules Polonetsky declared insect and mosquito repellent in short supply and invoked his emergency power to prohibit price-gouging on the remaining stock. "If you can, stay in," Giuliani urged residents in the affected neighborhoods. "If you have to go out, wear long-sleeve shirts, pants, socks. Don't wear shorts." After spraying himself, the mayor also recommended that residents obtain bug sprays that contain no more than 30 percent DEET, a powerful insecticide. Jerry Hauer, director of the mayor's Office of Emergency Management, called on homeowners to clear their properties of any standing water - breeding grounds for the biting bugs. "Even something as small as a flowerpot which has a little dish holding water," said Hauer. "Mosquitoes are known to breed in that as well." Giuliani said the city first became aware of a potential health problem about 10 days ago. But he said the Centers for Disease Control didn't confirm it as St. Louis Encephalitis until 2:30 p.m. yesterday. The mayor said the stricken include three residents of The Bronx, who live across from Powell's Cove, and a lower Manhattan man who works in Whitestone. Ironically, the outbreak occurred in a year of near-drought, when many traditionally mosquito-ridden areas have been reporting a bite-free summer. But people living near Powell's Cove say they've been driven batty by mosquitoes for years. Bob Dandrea, 41, an engineer who lives on 11th Avenue off 138th Street, said his family has to sleep under mosquito nets. "My dog, when she goes out of the house, she comes right back in," said Dandrea. "This is the first year I've had to brush [the mosquitoes off] my dog before she comes in." "They seem to cling to you more," said Richard Reilly, vice president of the Taxpayers Association of College Point. "As soon as the rain comes, they come out and they're very aggressive." Vickey Lanzellotto, who also lives across from Powell's Cove, said the city stopped spraying the wetlands about 10 years ago because the insecticide being used turned out to be poisonous. Dr. Annie Fine, an epidemiologist with the city Health Department, said that mosquitoes had never posed a health threat here before. "We have never had a serious outbreak like this as a mosquito-borne illness in New York City. So there's no health reason we needed to spray for mosquitoes," she said. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and
Re: [CTRL] (Fwd) Release: Congressional Criminals
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/02/1999 7:42:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: WASHINGTON, DC -- A new investigation reveals an astonishingly large number of wife-beaters, drunks, shoplifters, check-bouncers, business failures, and drug abusers in the U.S. House and Senate -- which ought to make Americans think carefully before turning to Washington, DC for moral leadership, Anybody ever know anyone who turned to Washington, DC for moral leadership? Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Honduran workers tear-gassed, beaten
Labor Alerts: a free service of Campaign for Labor Rights To subscribe or unsubscribe, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Web site: www.summersault.com/~agj/clr Phone: (541) 344-5410 Fax: (541) 431-0523 Membership/newsletter: Send $35.00 to Campaign for Labor Rights, 1247 "E" Street SE, Washington, DC 20003. Sample newsletter available on request. HONDURAS: WORKERS TEAR-GASSED, BEATEN posted September 1, 1999 [This alert was prepared by the U.S./Labor Education in the Americas Project (US/LEAP): (773) 262-6502, [EMAIL PROTECTED].] In this alert: Honduran sweatshop workers tear-gassed, beaten Background Action requests Contact information form Note from Campaign for Labor Rights: The action request in this alert is a HIGH PRIORITY. The crisis at Kimi underscores the importance of developing a variety of rapid-response mechanisms. If your local organization has not yet filled out our contact information form (at the end of this alert), please do so today. HONDURAN WORKERS TEAR-GASSED AND BEATEN WHILE SUPPORTING STRIKING KIMI WORKERS Workers from neighboring maquila (assembly-for-export) factories who refused to go to work in a stirring show of solidarity for striking workers at the Kimi factory in Continental Park in Honduras were tear-gassed and beaten Monday morning, August 30 by anti-riot police. Many workers were taken to local hospitals in nearby San Pedro Sula. As of Monday afternoon, the situation was calm and remained so on Tuesday, August 31. On Wednesday, at the urging of the Kimi workers, the other workers in the park returned to work. The confrontation took place following a weekend blockade of Continental Park gates by Kimi workers, who were protesting Kimi management's refusal to respect the collective bargaining negotiated by the Kimi union, SITRAKIMIH, earlier this year. It is the only collective bargaining agreement in the eight-factory Continental Park. Kimi is a long-time supplier for JC Penney. Other U.S. companies sourcing from Continental Park include The Gap, Phillips-Van Heusen, Kohl's, Dayton-Hudson, Salant, Gear for Sports and American Eagle. Kimi workers had shut the park down on Friday and Saturday, August 27/28, by blocking entrances. They dispersed later in the weekend. When they returned on Monday, riot police were lined up in front of the gates to allow workers to enter the industrial park. But in an act of widespread solidarity, most workers refused to enter the park, even though Kimi workers encouraged them to do so. A representative from a local radio station then arrived and reportedly used a megaphone to lead the workers in chants. Without provocation, police then attacked the workers with tear gas and clubs. Kimi management met with the union on Monday evening but demanded that the union's leadership be removed as a condition for negotiations. A second meeting on Tuesday, August 31 again produced no progress, with Kimi saying that other maquila operators in the park are threatening to close their plants if the Kimi union leadership returns. Removal of the union leadership would be tantamount to destroying the union, and the workers have rejected this demand. The negotiations have been convened by the Honduran Labor Ministry and are being observed by the Honduran Maquila Association. Earlier, on Saturday, August 28, owners of the other maquilas operating in the park published an ad in the newspaper owned by Continental Park owner and presidential candidate Jaime Rosenthal warning that the Kimi conflict was threatening the future of the park and blaming outside agitators and foreigners for a potential loss of jobs. The ad came in response to the park's shutdown the previous day and was a clear attempt to threaten park workers not to support the Kimi workers This attempt failed miserably when workers refused to enter the park Monday morning despite police escort. Workers at Continental Park are becoming increasingly militant in supporting efforts to improve conditions and wages by forming unions. On August 16, workers at a second factory in the park, Yoo Yang, filed an application for union recognition. Maquila operators in the park, most of whom are Korean, are no doubt nervous about the growing efforts by workers in the park to exercise their basic right to organize. The union at Kimi, SITRAKIMIH, is affiliated to the International Textile, Garment and Leather Workers Federation, an international trade secretariat of apparel unions which, along with UNITE, has been providing on-going support to the union. BACKGROUND Earlier this year the SITRAKIMIH union won the only collective bargaining agreement in Continental Park after a two-and-a-half year struggle. But a month later park owner Rosenthal refused to renew Kimi's lease, reportedly telling Honduran TV he would never allow a union in his industrial park. Kimi management then announced it would close the factory in the Park and relocate at a distance too far for most workers. [See CLR alert posted June
Re: [CTRL] WACO- THE BIG QUESTION
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/02/1999 11:08:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Koresh WAS a pedophile, no question about that, I don't know if there is any proof of that anywhere, although I heard it bruted about a good deal. Where is the proof published? Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Lined up for final approach-JFK Jr
-Caveat Lector- Sorry for the late response. What I believe happened was someone was monitoring his radio transmissions to the airport,after hearing the last call, they realized how close he was to the airport and the subsequent landing. So it was at that moment,(after the call) they needed to bring down the plane. If they waited just alittle longer, the plane would have been that much closer to land, which would have made the recovery so much easier.This also would have afforded the pubic access to the crash site, being so close to shore. This is something they just could not afford to happen. Too many people would have seen the remains of the wreckage if not the bodies. This would make it impossible for them to put their "spin" on the sequence of events, as well as the aftermath. JOHN DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Because it works!!! Carville in Mexico.
-Caveat Lector- Exporting the American method of political control. PR- Real mind control. It worked in Russia, and installed Yeltsin. It worked in Israel, and got rid of Netanyahu. Now it's Mexico's turn to get an American puppet government installed by popular election. Only idiots vote for an elite which takes their money and screws them over, and over. They don't need the threat of violence to keep the reins of power. They just need morons to rubber stamp pre-chosen candidates again and again. It works so well in the USA, that the elites of other countries are importing America's mind control experts to manipulate their " democratic process." Joshua2 == Wednesday September 1 1:17 AM ET High-Paid U.S. Political Gurus Enliven Mexico Race By Michael Christie - MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - Mexican politicians are turning to expensive U.S. political consultants as they battle for the 2000 presidential nomination of the world's longest-ruling party. Tabasco state Gov. Roberto Madrazo is being helped by high-powered advisers Penn, Schoen Burland, while former interior minister Francisco Labastida has approached heavyweight James Carville ahead of the Institutional Revolutionary Party's (PRI's) first primary in November. ``The (Madrazo) campaign is Mexican, but we have experience and expertise that we can bring to it, Doug Schoen of Penn, Schoen Burland told Reuters by telephone Tuesday. Charging at least $10,000 a day, or retainers of $50,000 a month, according to industry sources, U.S. political advisers have gone global. Penn, Schoen Burland has taken part in campaigning in up to 50 countries in the past 20 years, Schoen said. Carville -- the man who came up with ``Its the economy, stupid, for the Clinton campaign in the 1992 U.S. presidential race -- helped new Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak to victory in May, having done the same for British Prime Minister Tony Blair in 1997. Carville was unavailable for comment, his office said. Jennifer Laszlo, a Washington-based political consultant not involved in the Mexican elections, said U.S. advisers had been in demand for several years. ``But its started to explode, she said. ``We are so far ahead of everybody else were at the cutting edge because we spend so much money and never stop having elections. The U.S. influence is coming across loud and clear in Mexico's PRI primary campaign, which marks the first time in the party's 70 years in power that it has put its choice of presidential candidate to a democratic vote. Madrazo's campaign has broken all the rules, replacing the usually staid television spots of traditional Mexican politics with witty and provocative criticism of his main rival. Labastida personally has not yet hit back. But observers note that a vehement personal attack on Madrazo by Labastida's campaign coordinator, Esteban Moctezuma, who compared the controversial governor to Adolf Hitler, coincided with a visit to Mexico City by Carville. Schoen, working in partnership with consultant Zev Furst, was careful not to take credit for Madrazo's campaign, which has catapulted him from upstart to serious contender. He said the successful spots were the product of the ''creative genius'' of Mexican publicist Carlos Alazraki, who knew how to strike a chord with the Mexican people. ``My sense is that the Mexican people deeply want change, Schoen said. Help from the north is not to everybody's liking, especially when it brings with it the big money and adversarial politics of U.S. electioneering. ``What weve seen is the hard-hitting, no-holds-barred political use of the media. Thats entirely unusual for Mexican politics, said Mexican consultant Andres Rozental, adding: ``I think Mexico is probably worse off for it, especially when it involves an enormous reliance on money. But the influence of U.S. advisers in Latin America may be doing more than just spicing up campaign spots. It may also be encouraging a profound cultural transformation, some say. Laszlo said Latin American politics had traditionally been decided ``by an oligarchy, a bunch of affluent men, who set policies from the top down. U.S. advisers may be persuading their clients to listen to what the people want. ``This completely changes everything. The message replaces the party as the most important element, she said. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read.
[CTRL] Fw: [apfn] Waco's Little Rock connection + Clinton's Waco Connection
-Caveat Lector- POSTED APFN MESSAGE BOARD: [apfn] Waco's Little Rock connection + Clinton's Waco Connection http://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb77532 Waco's Little Rock connection By Joseph Farah World Net Daily. Sept 3 1999 http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_btl/19990903_xcbtl_wacos_litt.shtml Finally, there's some finger-pointing going on in the executive branch of the federal government over the exterminations of more than 70 men, women and children at the Branch Davidian church in Waco in 1993. It's about time. This is progress. But we won't be any closer to holding the guilty accountable until the White House connections are fully explored. There's ample reason to believe Bill Clinton was working behind the scenes on engineering the initial Waco raid even before he became president. One of the original witnesses against the Branch Davidians was Bill Buford, the agent in charge of the Little Rock, Ark., branch of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. Buford was, also, according to Arkansas sources, a friend of Bill. The Waco case was apparently very important to Buford as an affidavit states he was working on New Year's Day calling former Branch Davidians seeking to find evidence of sexual abuse. My friend and colleague, Andy Beal, who first explored the Little Rock connection to Waco, asks a good question: What was the resident agent in charge of the Little Rock office of the BATF doing investigating a sex abuse case in Texas? Is ex abuse BATF's jurisdiction? Is Texas under the jurisdiction of the BATF's Arkansas office? Documents show Buford is noted as one of two "senior raid planners." He was also one of the BATF agents wounded during the Feb. 28 assault, but he is perhaps the only BATF agent to be visited in the hospital by none other than top Treasury Department official Roger Altman. Altman was the long-time "Friend of Bill" appointed to be deputy secretary of the Treasury and chief executive officer of the Resolution Trust Corporation. He resigned in August 1994 due to his interference in the Whitewater investigation. At the time of the Waco raid, Roger Altman was the second highest-ranking official at the Department of the Treasury. The BATF is a bureau within the Treasury Department. Is it not possible -- is it not likely, knowing what we know about the character of the Clinton administration today -- that the Clinton transition team was involved in the planning of the initial raid on Waco even before taking power? Remember, Vincent Foster's wife claimed he blamed himself for the deaths in Waco. Webster Hubbell, who became the point man between the Justice Department and White House during the siege, was also instrumental in that transition to power. Then there's Altman and Buford. Foster, Hubbell, Altman and Buford were all in Little Rock leading up to the inauguration. Clinton takes power Jan. 20, 1993. One month later, the BATF stages the largest and most dramatic raid in its history -- videotaped in living color in anticipation of its success in subduing religious non-conformists in possession of illegal guns. The injustice and illegality of the initial raid has still never been fully examined. Today the focus is on how and why the remaining occupants of the church building were exterminated in a fire. Yet, the equally puzzling question of why a dynamic and violent entry was necessary to serve a search warrant on David Koresh shortly after he went target shooting with officers of the BATF. The local sheriff offered to serve the warrant at the general store to avoid any confrontation. There was simply no need for all the deadly theatrics of the initial raid. The only reasonable explanation seems to be the one proffered by the documentary, "Waco: Rules of Engagement," which postulates that the raid was intended as a public relations effort by the BATF and a commercial for stricter gun control enforcement. There are many unanswered questions when it comes to Waco. But maybe now it's time to start asking some of the unasked questions. What was the involvement in Waco planning of key Clinton White House officials even before they took power? Was the Waco raid, in fact, cooked up as a publicity and political stunt by an incoming administration itching for drama and action? Is it possible that Clinton and his cronies bear even more responsibility than any of us imagine for this deadly escapade? A daily radio broadcast adaptation of Joseph Farah's commentaries can be heard at http://www.ktkz.com/ _ "THE CLINTON CONNECTION" Justice Department investigation should target UT campus http://net.cs.utexas.edu/users/boyer/fp/texan-970317.html Clayton Vernon TEXAN COLUMNIST According to The New York Times, former UT System Regents Chairman Bernard Rapoport hired Webster Hubbell for a joint venture with the Riady
[CTRL] No News is no news.
-Caveat Lector- "The News That Didn't Make the News", Original Sources, Sep 01 Sorting Out Facts From a Barrage of Government Distortion and Half-truths By: Mary Mostert -- Yesterday I received an e-mail entitled "Untold Stories of U.S./NATO's War and U.S. Media Complacency" by Peter Phillips, director of "Project Censored" at Sonoma State University in California, which said in part: "The mainstream media in the United States were aware that the Pentagon and NATO were releasing biased and false information regarding the war in Kosovo yet they continued to pass on the information to the American public as if it were gospel," the report began. " '...the media were once more asked to sort out a few kernels of facts from a barrage of distortions and half-truths from government information manipulators...baloney-ladened military briefings in Brussels...cryptic shows at the Pentagon,' reports Senior correspondent for Newsday's Washington Bureau, Patrick Sloyan. Writing in June's American Journalism Review, Sloyan went on to describe how the elite of U.S. media complained to President Clinton, but failed to use their power to challenge the government. "That the U.S. Military and NATO kept the American public propagandized and ignorant about the our most recent war is a well known fact among mainstream correspondents. Foremost in the undercovered or ignored categories, but widely covered in Europe, were: extensive civilian deaths (2,000+); massive damage to non-military civilian facilities in Serbia; the use of illegal cluster bombs and depleted uranium munitions; Devastating environmental pollution was created by the bombing and burning of refineries and chemical plants. "The deliberate destruction of public utilities left many Serbians without power, water and heating. Yet the Pentagon persisted in saying they were attacking only legitimate military targets. How could all of this massive civilian destruction just be collateral damage? Why was a public television station considered a legitimate military target? "According to the London Daily Telegraph of July 22, 1999, 'NATO's bombing campaign against Yugoslavia had almost no military effect on the regime of President Milosevic.'" It did, however, bring diplomatic ties among NATO partners to the near breaking point." Of course, if you had been reading my columns during the past seven months you WOULD have read all those stories while they were actually news. So, " If news suppression were common in the United States, one might expect that efforts to identify and publicize the most important overlooked stories would receive scant attention from major news outlets." Will this report and recently published book, "Censored 1999: The News That Didn't Make the News" receive any publicity from the media it scolds? Of course not. The story of WHY the media is doing such a poor job, although often a topic of conversation on talk shows and among reporters, will not be the subject of a serious analysis at the TV networks or the large corporate entities which have a big investment in trying to corner the "news" markets. Phillips observed: "A review of the top 25 censored stories of last year suggests that foreign affairs and corporate misdeeds were the most consistent areas of neglect. In part, this may be explained by corporate takeovers of the three main television networks by outside industries beginning in the 1980s, with resultant newsroom layoffs, closing of foreign news bureaus and potential conflicts of interest." Actually, I have a different explanation. I think the problem is more basic. It appears to me that the majority of those reporting and writing "news" simply do not understand what news is and how to find it. As I pointed out during the bombing, some of the top "reporters" in the industry were assigned to NATO headquarters in Brussels to "report" the story of NATO bombing Yugoslavia by waiting for Jamie Shea's daily press conference and press releases. He was obviously simply pulling figures out the air at times and regurgitating propaganda from the KLA about what was supposedly happening to the Yugoslav army - destruction of its airforce, 10,000 killed, most of his tanks destroyed, etc. At one point he said to the gathered top reporters that Albanian women in refugee camps had "given birth to 100,000 babies" - obviously the fault of the indicted "war criminal" in Belgrade - Slobadan Milosevic. The figures was reported worldwide without question - and not a soul (except me) questioned how 200,000-300,000 women who fled Kosovo could have possibly given birth to 100,000 babies in a little more than 2 months. Shea and the White House talked on CNN daily about "100,000" missing and killed "Albanians" and "mass graves" containing "hundreds" of tortured and murdered Albanians. Yet, there were almost NO reporters on the ground in Yugoslavia and the ones that WERE there were reporting no signs of thousands of
[CTRL] Natural Capitalism in action.
-Caveat Lector- /** labr.global: 360.0 **/ ** Topic: Creating 'natural' capitalism In Russia ** ** Written 3:03 PM Sep 2, 1999 by [EMAIL PROTECTED] in cdp:labr.global ** Creating 'natural' capitalism By William Pfaff THOSE who doubt the power of ideas will learn something from a report on the former Soviet Union and Eastern Europe issued by the UN Development Programme, the world's largest agency for multilateral development cooperation. The report, possibly the harshest ever issued by a UN authority, says that the Western-led effort to transform the former Soviet bloc's economies by wholesale privatization has plunged more than 100 million people into dire poverty and stripped millions more of any form of economic security. This was done on the advice of the Western community of professional economists in universities, international agencies and governments. True, there were arguments among he professionals for or against "big bang" privatization - doing it all at once and leaving the survivors to sink or swim. But few, if any, among the economists argued that the Soviet-style state and its industry should be carefully dismantled in stages, with empirical attention to the consequences, above all the consequences for the public. The Western economics profession was at the time, and largely remains, committed to its own version of the romantic fallacy, which is at least five centuries old and concerns the "natural" perfection of man, whom society allegedly corrupts. They believed that humans are natural capitalists. By destroying socialist obstacles to capitalism in Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union as rapidly as possible, they believed that people would spontaneously respond by creating capitalist prosperity. Alan Greenspan himself has admitted that he (or "we," as he says) assumed that communism's collapse "would automatically establish a free market entrepreneurial system." He assumed that capitalism was "human nature." It turned out, he says, to be "not nature at all, but culture." Culture is not the economists' department. What was created was a disaster, the equivalent for that region, as The Times of London has said, of the Great Depression. Anton Kruiderink, the UNDP's regional director for Europe and the former Soviet Union, quotes World Bank figures in his foreword to the report. In 1989, 14 million people in the former Soviet block lived on less than the equivalent of $4 per day. During the first five years after communism's collapse, that population figure rose to around 147 million. There are exceptions to the traumatic destabilization of society that followed in Russia. Poland and Slovenia are in good shape today, but they were advanced societies before World War II. So were the Czech Republic, Hungary and the Baltic states, which the UNDP says have made noticeable progress. As for the rest of the region, life expectancy has fallen by four years or more. Tuberculosis and diseases linked to malnutrition are back on a large scale, as is suicide. Social structures - including educational systems, which in Soviet times were among the few real assets of the region - have been devastated. Education is essential to any hope people have of climbing out of this pit. The transfer of state assets to robber capitalists, generating a black economy, has devastated tax collection and the ability of governments to reconstruct what has been destroyed. The findings of the UNDP report can surprise no one who has read the newspapers during the last decade or followed the Western debate over policy for Russia and the former Soviet bloc states. Yet the sheer scale of the disaster must shake even those who criticized the policy from the start. The West has been implicated in another way than simply by giving bad advice. There were more reports last week of suspected Russian criminal money-laundering through Western financial institutions, this time through what had been considered the eminently respectable Bank of New York. The sums cited in the investigation are $10 billion since early last year, $4.2 billion alone through a single account from last October to March 1999. Ten billion is half the total that the International Monetary Fund has loaned Russia over the entire period since 1992. The power of ideas is great, above all when they are bad ideas. Yet there is very little that can be done about intellectual fashion, or to loosen the grip of politically favoured ideologies. The one principle that can and should be defended in making public policy is to do as little harm as possible. One cannot govern with entirely clean hands. (That, as France's Charles Peguy observed many years ago, would mean with no hands.) But governments should not recklessly press on beleaguered foreign societies "reform" programmes that clearly will do much harm in the short term, when the justification for those programmes is the contested and unproved theory that miracles will take place in
Re: [CTRL] Toward the Total State
-Caveat Lector- What about the ultimate Hegellian depravity of the likes of the Bush Crime Family? Looks like someones wearing blinders... Bill Richer wrote: -Caveat Lector- Toward the Total State by William Norman Grigg Has the left won Americaâs culture war? Some observers, including political organizer Paul Weyrich (who c DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Should we trust the government?
-Caveat Lector- On 4 Sep 99, at 11:19, Prudence L. Kuhn wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/02/1999 7:02:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually, I was forwarding an article written and published elsewhere. In the face of this unprecedented attack on American citizens by agents of their own government, a deadly assault that sparked the militia movement as well as the bombing of the Federal Building in Oklahoma City, an unprecedented silence befell the press. No one stepped forward to be the Davidians friend, writes Richard Shweder, author of Thinking Through Cultures, in the New York Times. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms spent months planning and rehearsing the largest law enforcement operation of its 200-year history. This turned out to be a major military operation, worthy of a police state, carried out against the domestic residence of an unpopular and readily stigmatized religious community. The ACLU does not like guns, and its very busy, so it didnt get involved. The religious leaders of our country do not like cults, and the womens movement does not like patriarchal living arrangements, so they didnt much care. And no one wanted to seem sympathetic to child abuse or unsympathetic to the FBI. snip Trust is not important here. And will you people quit baying about IMPEACHMENT. Likely not, at least as long as the first amendment remains intact. Just what good does or would it do? Hmmm. Well, it might put a kink in rumored plans of Emperor William to remain in the White House after 2000. Kathleen "A large section of the intelligentsia seems wholly devoid of intelligence." -- G. K. Chesterton "A paranoid is a man who knows a little of what's going on." -- William Burroughs "Dictators ride to and fro upon tigers which they dare not dismount. And the tigers are getting hungry." -- Winston Churchill DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [Fwd: [freedomfight] Citizens Against UFO Secrecy - Press Release]
-Caveat Lector- Cliff Hume wrote: The April-May issue of NEXUS magazine published an article, The WingMakers, which goes into great detail about aliens living amongst us. Much more is covered on the internet at www.wingmakers.com Popular Mechanics, another of the many Council on Foreign Relations publications with the CFR bias, has a female alien on the cover of their July, 1999 issue, and informs us that the universe may be teeming with exotic life-forms. This month of September, 1999, the The Readers Digest with the same CFR socialist, one world government bias is sporting an article on aliens. Time, Life and other CFR publications usually lead the pack, so it is possible that they have already covered this ground. All of the CFR publications have been prepped to frighten us into their New World Order, and the alien thing was set up by a think-tank traced back to a study released in 1966 called Report from Iron Mountain. The study was commissioned three years previously by the Department of Defense under Defense Secretary, Robert S. McNamara (CFR). The former Canadian, CFR member, John Kenneth Galbraith inadvertently let the cat out of the bag and the Insiders have been trying to cover that boo-boo ever since. G. Edward Griffin's 608 page, The Creature from Jekyll Island at www.realityzone.com will tell you all that you need to know about money, banking, collusion, and many other extremely important things you should know before the year 2000 is hustled in. It might have a lot to do with saving your freedom or even saving your life. Report From Iron Mountain is covered on pages 516, 518, 521, 523-5, 533, 556, 558 and 560. Y2K was designed as a helper situation to create the chaos and confusion necessary to separate the uninformed and misinformed American people from what little freedom they once enjoyed. The sports, soaps, movie and other spaced out fans, if still in slumber land over the next four months are going to be in for a very rude awakening. Their criminal government has some very big plans in store for them - if they can pull it off. They intend to because they have spent hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars for their scheming, planning and conniving, and they don't want all of those bad people on the internet throwing their game. Yours truly, Cliff Hume At 01:42 PM 9/1/99 -0700, you wrote: http://caus.org/ca090199.htm --TD WIDTH="85%" VALIGN="TOP" P BFOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE /B P BCITIZENS GROUP HAS UNDENIABLE EVIDENCE OF "ET" INVASION AND SUES FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND ARIZONA FOR PROTECTION /B P SEPTEMBER 1, 1999 P PHOENIX -- In a continuing effort to end government secrecy surrounding UFOs and contact with a non-human intelligence, Arizona attorney Peter A. Gersten filed papers today in U.S. District Court requiring the Federal government to protect the residents of Arizona from a "clandestine invasion." P Gersten, the Executive Director of the Phoenix-based Citizens Against UFO Secrecy, Inc. (CAUS), had filed an earlier lawsuit under the Freedom of Information Act on January 22, 1999 against the Department of Defense (DOD). P Today's precedent-setting legal initiative comes under Article IV, Section 4 of the U.S. Constitution, which requires the federal government to protect each of the fifty states against invasion. P CAUS is an Arizona activist organization dedicated to ending the secrecy surrounding Earth's contact with an "extraterrestrial intelligence." The organization, Gersten said, sent letters to the country's 50 Governors as well as Secretary of Defense William Cohen and Attorney General Janet Reno requesting they take immediate action to protect United States citizens against these intruders. Only three governors have replied. P "It's outrageous that this threat is continually ignored," Gersten stated. "I can prove in a court of law, and beyond a reasonable doubt, that we are in contact with another form of intelligence. More importantly, one aspect of this contact poses a threat to our safety." P "Arizona will be a test case," Gersten said. He cites the reported crash of an "unusual" craft in Paradise Valley in 1947, the Travis Walton disappearance in Snowflake in 1975, the infamous "Phoenix lights" seen throughout the state in 1997 and countless other reports during the past 52 years. "Arizona is definitely a targeted area for the clandestine intruders," Gersten believes. P The CAUS legal papers contend that the intruders are conducting nonconsensual physical acts including abductions, sexual abuse, assaults and unlawful imprisonment upon the citizens of the United States. P CAUS is asking the federal court in Phoenix to compel both the Federal government and the State of Arizona to initiate an immediate study and investigation, and "to proceed to protect the citizens from the intruders" which,
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Saturday #1
ll them, rent them, lease them? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ SkeptiLinks: @ Waco-Rama: http://www.dallasmorningnews.com/specials/waco/ @ We may have to think the unthinkable about HIV and AIDS: http://www.newscientist.com/ns/19990904/editorial.html # Visions of China: http://www.cnn.com/china # Crystalball: China's political future: http://cnn.com/SPECIALS/1999/china.50/50.beyond/political.overview/ # Chinese Art Today: http://cnn.com/SPECIALS/1999/china.50/inside.china/art.overview/ @ Lyghtforce Homoeopathy email list: http://www.lyghtforce.com/homeo.html @ Homeo-list's e-zine: http://www.lyghtforce.com/HomeopathyOnLine/index.html @ Hahnemannian Homoeopathy Cyberspace Academy: http://www.simillimum.com # COST OVERRUNS PROMPT OVERHAUL OF LASER PROGRAM - hundreds of millions over budget: http://cnn.com/US/9909/04/laser.costs.ap/index.html @ WACO: The Rules of Engagement - "The Original Raid Was Publicity Stunt" http://www.reagan.com/HotTopics.main/HotMike/document-9.23.1997.4.html _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "I am the person who pulled the toy gun on David Horowitz in Burbank, California, on the LIVE set of KNBC TV and forced him to read a state- ment about how the CIA and ALIENS had replaced my family and friends with clones. It is the ABSOLUTE TRUTH, and I have the evidence to back it up in a court of law!" --Gary Stollman * http://skepticon.da.ru (updated) * ICQ# 19633976 * FAX: 603-415-3736 * email INFO or SUBSCRIBE SKEPTICHAT to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * (sorry, I can't answer all email - but thanks for your feedback) * SkeptiChat/SkeptiNews archives: http://skeptifiles.da.ru (belated) * Fringe * Science * Faith * Sex/Drugs * UFO/PSI/Y2K * Conspiracy * DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] When GPS meets cell phones
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/03/1999 11:08:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: useless: The police had no idea where Wilson was calling from, and neither did she. They spent the better part of the next 24 hours searching in vain, combing the town block by block while precious time ticked away. A new technology which would have told police precisely where Wilson was hadnt arrived in time to help. Several years ago, Dean Koontz wrote a novel where the hero is tracked by GPS by through the deserts of the SW by the evil gummint that wants to stop him. "Dark Rivers of the Heart"? Yes, and I'll bet the police will spend a lot more time on the kind of thing Koontz was describing than on searching for kidnap victims. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Should we trust the government?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/04/1999 12:46:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hmmm. Well, it might put a kink in rumored plans of Emperor William to remain in the White House after 2000. And that will take care of the people slaughtered the next time our federal agencies decide to "control a situation." Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: WACO: Joyce Riley on Art Bell 9/2/99
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Follows From: Jon Roland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: Fw: WACO: Joyce Riley on Art Bell 9/2/99 Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 00:26:01 -0500 (CDT) - Begin forwarded message -- To listen to the discussion of Waco by Joyce Riley on Art Bell, download the program. Click to listen: http://ww2.broadcast.com/artbell/abell/9909/ab0902.ram Pertinent parts begin at approximately 2 hours, six minutes (2:06) into the program. To fastforward to this point in the program, just move the clip position indicator with your mouse until the time indicator reads somewhere close to 2:06:00.0 Rough transcript beginning at above time (not proofread or spell-checked): ART BELL: All kinds of information breaking about Waco, just all kinds. I know you have new, as yet unheard by anybody information about Waco. What can you tell us? JOYCE RILEY: Well, let me preface this by saying the purpose for this person coming forward with the information was that he is a sick Gulf War veteran, and we had a long discussion about the secrets of the Gulf War illness and the cover-up involved there, and I said, "Just like Waco, there needs to be the exposure of the truth about Waco." And he said, "I know about Waco." And I said, "How do you know about Waco?" And he said, "I know more than I wish I knew. I was stationed at Fort Hood and we were the unit that provided the Apache attack helicopters." You can imagine how startled I was to hear that there were Apache attack helicopters, because an Apache is not even armed in the United States. It's never armed because it is nothing but a helicopter for war. It's -- ART: An Apache, actually, was probably the most efficient killing machine in the Gulf War, so efficient that the images were hidden from the American people. The Apache is an incredible war machine. People have no idea how devastating the fire power from that helicopter can be. JOYCE: Oh, it is. It looks like a preying mantis. It is the helicopter that has the wheels on it. And if you were to ever see one, it is just -- it's very formidable. And in talking with this Gulf War veteran, and part of the reason I'm saying this today is because of his -- for his protection, because Texas Rangers have become involved in this since I talked with you, Art, so I'm not at liberty to identify some of the things that I was going to say. But I did get a phone call from Dick DeGuerin today, which the attorney for the Branch Dividians, and I can assure you that this information that he gave coincides with what he already knew and speculated. But let me just say that this Gulf War veteran, after we talked about this, I said, "You know you have a responsibility to come forward, because if we want people to tell the truth about Gulf War illness, if we want the people to come out of the Pentagon and out of the corners in the back alleys and admit to what has gone on there, we're going to have to tell what we know." So he has come forward. He is a destitute, if you will, Gulf War veteran who has no purpose in doing this other than the world needs to know the truth, and it is time that we quit harboring these secrets under the name of military adventure or military action. What he told me is that while he was stationed at Fort Hood at the F227 Aviation Apache Attack Squadron, that they armed the Apache helicopters to go in to Waco. ART: They armed them. JOYCE: They armed them. Now understanding that if what we say is true here today, this is the most devastating information to come across, because this puts the liability and the accountability all the way up to the president, for arming a helicopter for a war situation within the United States, basically violating the Posse Commitatus Act. ART: Absolutely. JOYCE: So, when he described this operation, I asked him what they armed the helicopters with. ART: Good. And what did he say? JOYCE: He said they armed them -- there were 20 helicopters that took turns going back and forth between Ft. Hood and Waco, which is a 5-minute flight or a 20-minute drive -- 30-minute drive. They were supported by the 3rd Armored Division. They armed these helicopters with eight Hellfire missiles, which to the person that may not know a Hellfire, it can go through an M-1 tank and it explodes into a fireball. There was a belly gun with an M-60 armor-piercing 20-millimeter cannon. The round pod(?) contained, 50 on each side, air-to-ground 122-millimeter rockets. There were also air-to-ground two Devor(?) Sidewinder missiles loaded on each helicopter. Those are the -- the Sidewinder missiles are the ones that are on the wings of the F-16. There were two Apaches at all times at Waco. There were eight -- there were Blackhawk helicopters, 2 to 4 of those, with eight per -- eight individuals per Blackhawk, and there were Humvees that were there. He also said there were Delta Forces. He does not want to say the unit
[CTRL] Joyce Riley on Art Bell 9/2/99
-Caveat Lector- HERE IT IS AGAIN .. 'there was no legal search warrant" We have been asking around for 5/6 years "..where is the search warrant" ? Any attorneys out there want to comment ? This was an illegal armed assault by the military and law enforcement on American citizens. ANTONY C SUTTON DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: WTO (Seattle) and the CIA
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Follows From: MichaelP [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: WTO (Seattle) and the CIA Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 00:18:56 -0500 (CDT) Again I'm playing catch-up - I posted the report about the CIA's National Intelligence Council "rehearsing" for the WTO meeting in Seattle. I still haven't seen a copy of the original Financial Times' report but the following implies that the CIA has more than just "law-and-order" interest in that event. And again it's worth noting that the agenda at Seattle is about world trade, subjects like the environment, health, education, sustainability and human rights are peripheral. Cheers MichaelP World Socialist Web Site http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/aug1999/wto-a18_prn.shtml As WTO prepares for "Millennium Round" World trade conflicts intensify By Nick Beams 18 August 1999 An article published in the Financial Times last Saturday on some recent activities of the US Central Intelligence Agency has cast a revealing light on the tensions between the major capitalist powers as they prepare for the ministerial meeting of the World Trade Organisation to be held in Seattle in November to set the agenda for global trade negotiations in the so-called Millennium Round. Entitled "CIA rehearses for sleepless night in Seattle", it reported that earlier this month the National Intelligence Council, which reports to CIA director George Tenet on potential threats to US national security, had held a mock WTO conference in Washington in order to prepare for the November meeting. A CIA spokesman said the exercise had been undertaken to "prepare policymakers" for the meeting and that the agency "routinely" held such conferences "in order to help sharpen the level of debate about important issues." According to the report: "Delegates to the mini conference included a wide range of intelligence officers, former senior trade officials, academics and others. Many are understood to have played the parts of representatives of other countries - in particular of traditional trade rivals such as the EU and Japan - to try and simulate what kinds of debate and disagreements might be heard in November." It noted that while the CIA was widely rumoured to have stolen the position papers of the French delegation towards the conclusion of the so-called Uruguay Round of global trade negotiations in 1993, "the decision to give such prominence to the forthcoming ministerial meeting appears to mark a new departure for US intelligence." Preparations for the WTO meeting have been underway for several months amid growing reports of deep divisions between the major economic blocs. Last Monday, for example, the Australian Financial Review reported that the tabling of policy positions by WTO members had "exposed a startling absence of consensus on the content of the negotiating round". While there was agreement of the need to include agriculture and services, there was "little common ground", particularly among the major countries on the rest of the agenda. The EU and Japan are believed to be in favour of the development of global rules on investment and competition policy. But the US is opposed to such a wide agenda fearing that it could take years to reach such broad agreement, thereby holding up the adoption of specific policies to open up markets in services, agriculture and industrial products. Even before the talks get underway, this year has already seen the eruption of a bitter conflict between the US and the EU over agricultural policies with the US imposing punitive duties under WTO rules in retaliation for the refusal of the EU to abide by rulings on the imports of banana and hormone-treated beef. But the beef and banana wars may well turn out to be just the preliminary skirmishes for a even bigger conflict over the issue of genetically modified foods, for which the EU decided to suspend authorisation in June until a new system of safety standards could be agreed upon. Issuing his first major policy statement since taking up the post of US ambassador to the EU in July, Richard Morningstar warned that Europe and America are heading for a $1 billion trade war if the EU persisted in its opposition. In a biannual Letter from Brussels, Morningstar, who previously held the position of Special Adviser to the President on Caspian Basin energy, said that "politics and demagoguery have completely taken over the regulatory process" in regard to EU policy on genetically modified foods. "Particularly in the UK, the media has learnt to love a good food safety scare, and the public debate all too often is dominated by scare stories and nightmare scenarios without any scientific basis. Until the EU can credibly separate science-based risk assessment and regulations from the political process the outlook for resolution of this issue is bleak." There was a danger that the EU was over-reacting to the Belgian dioxin food scare and was moving to
[CTRL] NSA Embedded in Software? .
-Caveat Lector- New York Time's Article September 4, 1999 A Mysterious Component Roils Microsoft By JOHN MARKOFF AN FRANCISCO -- A cryptographer for a Canadian software firm, dissecting a piece of Microsoft security software, made an unexpected find: an element in the Windows operating system labeled "NSAKey." When his discovery was made known on his company's Web site Friday, it set off a firestorm of Orwellian visions in Internet discussion groups. -- -- Sidebar For Programmers, a Link to Spy Agency Seemed Likely (September 4, 1999) -- -- Was the buried software component, as the cryptographer surmised, a Trojan horse that gave the National Security Agency a hidden back door into the world's computers? Or was it merely a Microsoft programmer's remarkably bad choice of language in a software system designed to protect electronic communications and commerce? Microsoft executives insisted that there was no Big Brother feature in the software. "The big answer is that these charges are completely false," said Scott Culp, a security product manager at Microsoft. And the National Security Agency, which gathers electronic signal intelligence worldwide and is responsible for the security of the Government's computers, issued a terse three-sentence news release distancing itself from the controversy, saying, "Questions about specific products should be addressed to the company." Microsoft officials acknowledged that the episode was in any case a black eye for the world's largest software publisher. "We're going to pay and pay and pay for this," said one of the company's security experts, who spoke on the grounds that he not be identified. In recent months Microsoft has become a lightning rod for criticism of its products' security and has had to deal with several gaffes, including the discovery last week of a security flaw that exposed the e-mail of users of its Hotmail service. -- -- Rumors of a door for U.S. access to the world's computers. -- -- The latest uproar was set off by Andrew Fernandes, a mathematician in Research Triangle Park, N.C., who is chief scientist of the Cryptonym Corporation, a small Canadian software firm that is developing computer security products. Fernandes first presented his findings at a technical meeting last month in Southern California, but word did not spread more broadly until today, when a news release was posted on the Cryptonym Web site. In a telephone interview, Fernandes said he had made his discovery while exploring and trying to replicate the security software in Microsoft's Windows and Windows NT operating systems. The operating systems make use of a key -- a large number -- to authenticate software components, providing confidence that a component is correctly identified and has not been tampered with. For example, when new encryption functions are added for security, the key verifies that they comply with Government regulations. Cryptographers had previously noted the existence of a second key whose use they could not account for. What Fernandes found in the program was an identifying tag, disguised in earlier versions. And the label was "NSAKey." The discovery shocked him, Fernandes said, adding, "It doesn't make any sense why they would put in a second key." He concluded that the key represented a serious security flaw that would leave Microsoft's operating system vulnerable to intrusion. "The result is that it is tremendously easier for the N.S.A. to load unauthorized security services on all copies of Microsoft Windows, and once these security services are loaded, they can effectively compromise your entire operating system," his news release asserted. But at Microsoft, Culp said the key labeled NSAKey was a backup permitting Microsoft to authenticate encryption components if the first key was damaged. And he said the name was simply unfortunate. -- -- Related Articles Microsoft Discloses Flaws in Office 2000 Software (August 20, 1999) Software Makers Scramble to Address Security Flaw (August 3, 1999) Microsoft and Compaq Admit Vulnerability to Security Flaws (July 31, 1999) Security Flaw Is Discovered in Several Unix Programs (July 26, 1999) Companies That Ignore Online Security Are Risking Customers (May 3, 1999) -- -- Because the key insures compliance with Federal export laws, and the National Security Agency is the authority responsible for reviewing software and hardware products intended for foreign use, the component has been referred to colloquially at Microsoft as
[CTRL] What DID happen to Itavia Flight 870?
-Caveat Lector- Italy indicts 10 over '80 jetliner crash Old suspicions of missile attack, cover-up revived By Tom Hundley Tribune Foreign Correspondent September 4, 1999 ROME -- Itavia Airline's Flight 870 from Bologna to Palermo was already two hours late when it took off at 6:08 on a balmy June evening in 1980. Less than an hour into the flight, the jetliner, a DC-9 with 81 passengers and crew aboard, disappeared from radar screens. Its last message from the pilot to ground control was a routine, "We're about to start our descent." The next day, rescue teams found the wreckage scattered over a wide area of the Tyrrhenian Sea near the island of Ustica, about 50 miles off the northern coast of Sicily. There were no survivors. For 19 years, the cause of the crash has remained unresolved, shrouded in conspiracy theories and cover-ups. Now a new chapter in the mystery of Flight 870 is being written. The Italian government this week indicted four retired Italian air force generals and six senior military intelligence officers for treason, charging them with conspiring to keep silent and destroying evidence of the true cause of the tragedy. It appears that the most likely and long-suspected explanation--that the plane was caught in a crossfire between NATO warplanes, possibly American-piloted, and Libyan aircraft--will finally have its day in court. The wide area over which the crash debris and the bodies were spread led investigators to conclude almost immediately that there had been some kind of explosion. A bomb was one possibility, but no group or person came forward to claim responsibility. Perhaps some mechanical malfunction had caused the explosion. Investigators pursued that theory for a while but came up empty. Within a few months, a new theory emerged: The plane had been shot down by a missile, possibly two missiles. The Italian military and NATO denied any involvement. Bolstering that theory was the discovery, three weeks after the incident, of a Libyan MiG-21 that had crashed into a remote Calabrian mountainside about 200 miles from where the DC-9 went down. The initial autopsy report indicated the Libyan pilot had died several weeks before. But that report was overruled by a military investigation, which concluded that the pilot had died of heart attack the day he was found and that this was the cause of the crash. The body was quickly shipped back to Libya. On the night of the Ustica crash, the alarm for the missing airliner was first sounded by an Italian air defense radar station in Sicily, but when investigators sought the radar tracking tape they found that the crucial segment recording the last eight minutes of the ill-fated flight had been "unfortunately" erased. Italy's military secrecy act blocked further investigation. There were other signs of a cover-up. The Italian government made no serious effort to recover the wreckage from the sea floor until 1986, six years after the crash, when about 90 percent of the aircraft was brought up. By that time, parts of the wreckage recovered immediately after the crash had disappeared. Meanwhile, Itavia, a privately owned domestic carrier, went bankrupt. Pressured by relatives of the victims, one special commission after another looked into the matter, only to run into a stone wall of official obfuscation. The most persuasive evidence came from the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board and Britain's Royal Armament Research and Development Establishment. Based on a study of the wreckage and radar data obtained from civil air authorities, both agencies concluded that the DC-9 had been blown out of the sky by a missile. The agencies ruled out the possibility of a bomb on the plane. Those findings were published in 1986 and they triggered a new panel of experts to look into the Ustica crash. Three years later, the panel concluded that, indeed, the DC-9 had been hit by a missile. A few months later, two of the panel's five experts changed their minds and said it was a bomb. That's when Rome magistrate Rosario Priore took over the case. Ten years later, with the help of another panel of experts, he has produced a 3,000-page report concluding that the DC-9 was caught "in a warlike scenario" as NATO and Libyan jets skirmished over the Mediterranean. For Daria Bonfietti, an Italian parliamentarian who lost a brother in the crash, the findings represented a measure of vindication after a long struggle. "In our country 81 innocent people lost their lives and little by little this event was forgotten. Today this long chapter can be closed," said Bonfietti, who heads the Ustica Victims Association. She said that Italy's NATO allies had withheld critical information and that getting to the truth was "above all a matter of national dignity." The most likely scenario, according to the report, is that a plane from one side or the other tried to use the civilian jet as a shield to hide from enemy radar. Several warplanes from each
Re: [CTRL] When GPS meets cell phones
-Caveat Lector- They will also track with high altitude planes and satellite by sensors a mark has EATEN...meaning they can and do feed people stuff by which they can be tracked, and they will take sometimes as much as $10,000.00 of your tax dollars AN HOUR to do it...most times they are simply trying to cover something up that can get them in trouble personally, due their despotic outlook, and so all this surveillance is just a case of people purchasing their own chains...tax revolt is all that will get it I think...big time. "Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/03/1999 11:08:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: useless: The police had no idea where Wilson was calling from, and neither did she. They spent the better part of the next 24 hours searching in vain, combing the town block by block while precious time ticked away. A new technology which would have told police precisely where Wilson was hadnt arrived in time to help. Several years ago, Dean Koontz wrote a novel where the hero is tracked by GPS by through the deserts of the SW by the evil gummint that wants to stop him. "Dark Rivers of the Heart"? Yes, and I'll bet the police will spend a lot more time on the kind of thing Koontz was describing than on searching for kidnap victims. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Suppressed technology
Dear Mr. Millegan, I enjoyed reading your interview of Anthony Sutton. Of particular note was the following passage: KM - Do you believe that there has been suppression of technology? Has it been major or minor? AS - Yes there has been suppression but its going to be impossible to suppress the new emerging paradigm. With respect to the above, I will be forwarding you documentation which you may find of interest. In the opinion of one Congressman: "This is the greatest conspiracy against any human being in the history of the world." The AE Network featured a special report about the injustices against this individual in a program entitled "Conspiracies". Sincerely, Evan Soule' Director of Information THE ENERGY MACHINE OF JOSEPH NEWMAN 11445 East Via Linda, No. 416 Scottsdale, Arizona 85259 (480) 657-3722 www.josephnewman.com Nikola Tesla once wrote: "The day when we shall know exactly what electricity is, will chronicle an event probably greater than any other recorded in the human race." * IMAGINE a civilization with an access to virtually unlimited energy . . . * IMAGINE an energy source that is abundant, inexpensive, and environmentally-friendly . . . * IMAGINE a stable and durable alternative to oil, gas, coal, and nuclear . . . * IMAGINE an electromagnetic Motor which runs "cool" and harnesses the elemental forces of the universe in complete accord with the 1st Law of Thermodynamics . . . * IMAGINE such a Motor powering the world --- every automobile, appliance, home, farm, factory, ship, and plane, at a FRACTION of the present cost of energy . . . * IMAGINE such a Motor enabling us to someday reach the stars - safely and inexpensively . . . Such a technology now exists.
[CTRL] Fwd: FACTS CONCERNING THE TECHNOLOGY OF JOSEPH NEWMAN
FACTS CONCERNING THE TECHNOLOGY OF JOSEPH NEWMAN 1) Over 30 experts -- physicists, nuclear engineers, electrical engineers/technicians -- have tested Joseph Newman's energy machine (also known as the Newman Motor/Generator) and have signed Affidavits that it performs as indicated. 2) Dr. Roger Hastings (Principal Physicist with Unisys) has conducted hundreds of hours of testing on Joseph Newman's Motor/Generator and has signed Affidavits attesting to the operability of the Newman Motor/Generator. Dr. Hastings states: "The future of the human race may be dramatically uplifted by the large scale commercial development of this invention." In addition, Robert J. Matherne, a physicist from Entergy Corp, (and who was instrumental in the development of the nuclear power plant at Taft, Louisiana), has also attested to the significance of this new technology. 3) Joseph Newman has constructed many operational prototypes of his technology over the years, ranging in size from 4 pounds to 15,000 pounds. 4) The energy machine will totally decentralize our access to energy and will have a profound socio-economic impact upon our civilization. The energy generated by this machine is harmless, non-polluting, and will replace ALL present forms of energy generation. With the energy machine, every consumer could make a one-time purchase of a unit that could be installed in one's backyard and virtually unplug themselves from local utility companies. The energy machine could also be utilized to power all air, land, and sea vehicles and would elminiate the polluting effects caused by the internal combustion engine. 5) Joseph Newman has published a book entitled THE ENERGY MACHINE OF JOSEPH NEWMAN in which he discloses all of his theories and the technical processes relating to the construction of his energy machine. It is important to Joseph Newman that this knowledge be preserved and disseminated. 6) Joseph Newman has been working on his concepts for over 30 years. He submitted his Technical Process to the U.S. Patent Office several years before he constructed the first operational prototype of his energy machine. 7) The energy machine is a physical embodiment of Joseph Newman's Technical Process. Joseph Newman hopes that someone with the requisite ability will use his MECHANICAL innovations to formulate a MATHEMATICAL extrapolation. Such an accomplishment would be similiar to the manner in which Michael Faraday's MECHANICAL work led to mathematical theories developed by James Clerk Maxwell. [Although Michael Faraday was mathematically illiterate (his own words), he was a MECHANICAL genius.] 8) The theories of Joseph Newman also represent a precise, mechanical explanation of the phenomena of magnetism (not otherwise currently understood) and the principle of "action at a distance." When one understands the nature of the energy discovered by Joseph Newman, then one can understand how it would be possible to build a technical application capable of harnessing such mechanical motion (energy). As Maxwell explicitly stated: "The energy in electromagnetic phenomena is MECHANICAL ENERGY" and consists of "matter in motion." Joseph Newman describes the fundamental mechanical essence of a magnetic field as a massergy having a "gyroscopic spin." This gyroscopic action is fundamental to understanding the mechanical nature of electromagnetism. 9) Technically-speaking, what Joseph Newman teaches is that one's goal in the construction of one of his operational Motor/Generators is "to have the LEAST amount of current input to create the GREATEST amount of atomic domain alignment within the material of the conductor, thereby causing the GREATEST magnetic field to be created." 10) The energy machine of Joseph Newman is far more efficient than conventional nuclear energy and does not release any harmful radiation or emission. This invention can be used to power the home, industry, or to produce electrical energy for flight at a small fraction of today's cost. As Joseph Newman states: "The finished prototype of what I teach will drastically change the world for the good of humanity, more so than any invention before this time." 11) Joseph Newman has developed a precise and fundamental mechanical explanation for both magnetic attraction and repulsion as well as Fleming's Rule. An understanding of this explanation is what originally led him over thirty years ago to began to truly understand the mechanical essence of (electro)magnetic fields and enabled him to create an innovative technology capable of harnessing the energy contained within these fields. For additional information: Joseph Newman Publishing Company 11445 East Via Linda, No. 416 Scottsdale, Arizona 85259 (480) 657-3722 THE ENERGY MACHINE OF JOSEPH NEWMAN [EMAIL PROTECTED] Websites: http://www.josephnewman.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/6087 http://www.angelfire.com/biz/Newman/index.html
[CTRL] Fwd: Kosovo Conspiracy Theory/USS Gonzalez Status
The following website has alternative theory about Kosovo: http://www.truthinmedia.org/Kosovo/Peace/ps38.html === Per the Internet rumors of early June 1999 that the USS Gonzalez was hit and perhaps even sunk during the Yugoslavian War: The USS Gonzalez website has been down from May 1999 until sometime over the past week. It is now working again. The dates on the website pages are Pre- and early Yugoslovian war, circa March 1999. When I went to the website, for the first time, I recieved a defense department warning page before entering the site. The title page for the site shows a rather eery ghosted view of the ship in an unseemly and unnatural picture. The title for the page is "BEYOND THE CALL" which implies men who went beyond the call of duty. This is odd for a brand new ship that merely fires tomahawk missiles at onshore targets, as very few abnormal and 'beyond the call' duties are required. Unless the crew was exposed to harm in some way. This would be the type of Website one would put up for 'signaling' without saying what really happened. My premise is that if this ship was truly hit during the Yugoslavian War, and if there were heavy casualties, then this is further proof that a ship's crew can be silenced. We have heard over and over again from Pro-Navy pundits that if the Navy were involved in the cause of TWA 800, that one could not silence a whole ship's crew. Furthermore, if the USS Gonzalez DDG 66 were hit, it also may provide evidence that the Navy needs to overhaul and rethink their strategy for using Aegis Missile Destroyers in littoral warfare environments.They are dangerously vulnerable for a technology that was designed during the darkness of the Cold War. Further cover-up of this vulnerability for political and financial reasons may mean that our men and women who serve in harms way may be very vulnerable to attack during the next conflict. For further detailed information regarding the USS Gonzalez, do an LSoft Flight 800 search of my postings on this matter several months ago. Best Regards, Marshall Houston Dallas, Texas http://www.spear.navy.mil/ships/ddg66/ USS GONZALEZ (DDG66) "BEYOND THE CALL" USS GONZALEZ (DDG 66) Mailing Address: USS GONZALEZ (DDG 66) FPO AE 09570-1284 24-Hour Careline: 1-800-890-0548 E-MAIL Addresses: Commanding Officer: CDR Joseph W. Murphy Executive Officer:LCDR Yvette C. BrownWahler Command Master Chief: EMCM(SW) Mark D. Groomes Approved by CDR J. W. MurphyLast Updated: 02/03/99 == USS Gonzalez News Release Directory URL: http://www.spear.navy.mil/ships/ddg66/press_release.htm News Release Directory News Releases 2/17/99 A Day in the Life 1/21/99 After A Relaxing Stay In Gibraltar, Gonzalez Sailors Set Sail 1/14/99 USS GONZALEZ (DDG 66) Trans-Atlantic Crossing 1/20/99 USS GONZALEZ (DDG 66) Visits Gibraltar, United Kingdom USS GONZALEZ (DDG 66) URL: http://www.spear.navy.mil/ships/ddg66/ Revised: March 11, 1999. == The USS Gonzalez was launched on February 18, 1995 and commissioned after TWA 800 in October 1996: === http://www.usosouthtexas.com/gonzalez.htm The Medal of Honor Posthumously to Sgt. Alfredo Gonzalez Silver Medallion History was made during October, 1996 at Naval Station Ingleside, Texas when the United States Navy commissioned the USS Gonzalez (DDG 66), and Arleigh Burke Class, guided missile destroyer. Equipped with AEGIS weapons system and the most technologically advance weaponry, the DDG is one of the Navy's most effective ships. Launched at Bath Iron Works on 18 February 1995, USS Gonzalez is named in honor of Sergeant Alfredo Gonzalez, USMC, a native of Edinburg, TX.
[CTRL] Fwd: THE SPECIAL REPORT (Part B)
THE SPECIAL REPORT (Part B) I submit the following from a Letter to the Editor of the Mobile Press Register: "Never having met, talked with, nor had financial dealings with Joseph Newman, I read his book, The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman. After 30 years in the electrical profession I felt eminently qualified to debunk his claim to a device that generated more energy than it consumes. In the second chapter, I sat up in bed and shouted, 'He's got it!'" --- Patrick McLain, EE, Mobile, Alabama I don't wish to dampen Mr. McLain's enthusiasm for this technology and, although his comments are well-intentioned, Mr. McLain is laboring under the superficial conclusion that Joseph Newman's motor "generates more energy than it consumes." This is simply not the case. In fact, the motor does generate greater external energy output than external energy input [EEOEEI]. This technology does not violate the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy. On the contrary -- this technology further corroborates the Laws of Thermodynamics, i.e., the only way one will achieve the internal production of energy within the system is by supplying the system with high voltage (and low current) to align the copper atoms in the coil. Joseph Newman supplies an external electrical stimulus to his coil (and special commutator system) that generates the magnetic field containing the gyroscopic particles (matter in motion). This external electrical stimulus takes the form of high voltage -- and the higher the better until maximum atom alignment of the coil is achieved. At the same time the current is kept as low as possible to minimize resistance; thereby the Newman motor always runs "cool." The externally applied high voltage is not "consumed" by the system -- it operates in the same manner as the hydraulic system in an automobile. The reservoir of brake fluid is not "used up" but supplies a continual hydraulic pressure to the automobile's brake system. In a similar fashion the high input voltage (and low current) acts as an electrical 'hydraulic' pressure to continually realign the atoms within the motor's copper coil. The continual collapse and expansion of the copper coil's magnetic field creates the mechanical torque of the motor. (The special commutator system achieves this continual collapse and expansion of the magnetic field.) The net increase of external electrical energy from the system directly comes from the energy produced internally within the copper coil. This net energy is greater than the small amount of current originally inputed into the system along with the high voltage. In the final analysis where is the excess energy coming from? Answer: from the atoms of the copper coil within the motor/generator. Dr. Roger Hastings, a physicist who has worked extensively with Joseph Newman over a number of years, has calculated that this system is so conversion efficient that it may take decades (or far longer) to be able to measure any appreciable mass loss in the coil. This brings me to a discussion of efficiency. If Joseph Newman's motor/generator system is viewed as a whole -- considering both external energy and internal energy -- then the total energy output for the system is EQUAL to the total external and internal energy input combined. Such a process is fully in accordance with the First Law of Thermodynamics! When the system is viewed as a whole, it is imprecise to say that the Newman motor/generator simply "produces more than it consumes." However, it is correct to say that "the external energy output is greater than the external energy input" -- an external energy input considered independently of the large internal energy produced by the Newman motor/generator. In other words, the revolutionary nature of this system is the fact that Joseph Newman has discovered a new electromagnetic principle of nature and has innovated a technology capable of converting matter (copper coil) into energy (in accordance with E=mc^2) via a highly efficient electromagnetic reaction rather than an inefficient fission reaction. Those who state that "one can never build a device which exceeds 100% efficiency" do not understand the nature of the phenomenal efficiencies (in excess of 800%) produced by the Newman motor/generator. Such a statement demonstrates an inability to distinguish between CONVERSION efficiency and PRODUCTION efficiency. To state that Joseph Newman's motor/generator is 8.2 production efficient, i.e., that it produces over eight times as much external energy output as external energy input, is different from stating that the invention approaches 100% conversion efficiency, i.e., that it converts the internal mass of the copper coil into energy in accordance with E=mc^2. The former process involves production efficiency and the latter process involves conversion efficiency. These two
[CTRL] Fwd: A NEW PARADIGM, Part I of II.
A NEW PARADIGM, Part I of II. As a young man, Joseph Newman _did_ question "certain things (that) have unequivocally been observed to be so" --- after all, this is one of the principal ways in which new scientific understandings of the universe can occur, by questioning "the accepted explanations" of a given paradigm. I will pose the following three questions: 1) Why is it that one can move a conductor in one hand physically through the magnetic field of Faraday's Generator, and the (electro)magnetic field 'propagates along the conductor' somewhat faster than the original movement of the conductor (held in your hand) through the magnetic field? 2) How would you mechanically and fundamentally explain Fleming's Rule? 3) How would you mechanically and fundamentally explain Magnetic Attraction and Repulsion? Question No. 1: Joseph Newman was raised as a "hard-nosed country boy" (to employ the colloquialism) --- as such, he did _NOT_ believe in getting "something for nothing" . sometimes referred to as "perpetual motion." His mind instinctively rebelled against such a notion. Yet, when he observed that one's motion (slow) of one's hand holding a conductor wire and moving it through a magnetic field (in a particular orientation) produces an electric field (very fast) along the same conductor, this superficially appeared to him to be a case of one obtaining "something (very fast) for nothing (slow)." He refused to believe this could be the case since he did not believe in "perpetual motion." He chose to investigate further. Through his studies it became obvious that "something" was ALREADY moving (very fast) in that (electro)magnetic field, and this (very fast) "something" was simply being DEFLECTED onto the conductor as it moved (slowly) through the magnetic field. This conclusion answered his first question. If he has the attitude of some conventionally-educated scientists he would just leave it at that and be satisfied. He opted to question further. What was the precise nature of this "something"? Also, this question: does this "something" have a MECHANICAL nature? Well two of the greatest minds of the last 200 years believed that it DID. Their names: Michael Faraday (the mechanical genius) and James Clerk Maxwell (the mathematical genius) I believe I can say that Joseph Newman would prefer to "stand on the shoulders" of these two great men rather than operationally accept the status quo and "lounge on the postulations of some conventionally-educated, present-day scientists." [I should add that there are certainly those in the teaching profession who are indeed exceptions to the above -- such teachers who are truly curious, rational, and intellectually honest.] And what did these two men state?: Well, Michael Faraday wrote: "I cannot conceive curved lines of force without the conditions of a PHYSICAL existence in that intermediate space." --- MICHAEL FARADAY and "How few understand the PHYSICAL lines of force! They will not see them, yet all the researches on the subject tend to confirm the views I put forth many years since. Thompson of Glasgow seems almost the only one who acknowledges them. He is perhaps the nearest to understanding what I meant. I am content to wait convinced as I am of the truth of my views." --- MICHAEL FARADAY And what does James Clerk Maxwell have to say on this subject: "In speaking of the Energy of the field, however, I wish to be understood LITERALLY. All energy is the same as MECHANICAL ENERGY, whether it exists in the form of motion or in that of elasticity, or in any other form. The energy in electromagnetic phenomena is _MECHANICAL_ energy." --- JAMES CLERK MAXWELL That's a pretty strong, rather unequivocal statement on the part of James Clerk Maxwell. And just so, no one might later misinterpret his remarks, he added, with _EMPHASIS_: "I WISH TO BE UNDERSTOOD _LITERALLY_" Literally. Well, literally in my book means _LITERALLY_. And what is James Clerk Maxwell _literally_ saying about the nature of the energy of the field: that ALL --- ALL --- ENERGY is the __SAME__ as *MECHANICAL ENERGY*...that all such energy in ELECTROMAGNETIC PHENOMENA is *MECHANICAL* ENERGY. As physicist Dr. Roger Hastings wrote regarding Maxwell's emphasis on the *MECHANICAL* nature of energy: "This is stated in no uncertain terms in Maxwell's book "A Dynamical Theory of the Electromagnetic Field." In fact, Maxwell used a dynamical model to derive his famous equations. This fact has all but been lost in current books on electromagnetic theory. The quantity which Maxwell called "electromagnetic momentum" is now referred to as the "vector potential." And in a reference to the work of Richard Feyman, physicist Robert Matherne wrote: "While reading my Commemorative Issue of The Feynman Lectures on Physics by Feynman, Leighton, and Sands, published by the
[CTRL] Fwd: A NEW PARADIGM, Part II of II.
A NEW PARADIGM, Part II of II. Now, what does Fleming's Rule state? Fleming's Rule states: "If the fingers of the right hand are placed around a current-carrying wire so that the thumb points in the direction of the conventional current, the fingers will point in the direction of the magnetic field." Great. This is a convenient "rule." It is a corroborable-by-observation "rule." Great. Electrical engineers are aware (presumably) of this Rule. But accepting the limited paradigm of the Rule does not answer the more fundamental question: What *MECHANICALLY* causes the Rule to be true? This is the more fundamental question that occupied Joseph Newman's mind during the 1960s. He sought an honest answer to this more fundamental question as to what is the *MECHANICAL* cause of Fleming's Rule. He could not find an answer to this question in any of the books that he read on electromagnetics and electrical engineering. Yet he believed it was absolutely essential to answer this question, if he was to progress in a deeper understanding of the fundamental *MECHANICAL* nature of (electro)magnetic fields [per Faraday's and Maxwell's statements above]. It was about this time in his studies that he began studying the GYROSCOPE. He had heard that the "gyroscope" was a stabilizer, but did not know much more about its nature. As a hobby, he began mechanically working with gyroscopes and children's bicycles (he converted the bicycle of a neighbor's son to a clutch system to better enable it to perform "wheelies") --- so he began to acquire a first-hand understanding of the behavior of GYROSCOPES. At one point in this process, he _instantly_ had an answer to the question that had "boggled his mind" for so long: he _instantly_ knew that those "somethings" in that magnetic field surrounding Faraday's Generator individually behaved as miniature "GYROSCOPES." Many related concepts then began to "click" in him mind. It was then that his real insights into the _mechanical_ nature of (electro)magnetic fields began to generate a new paradigm concerning such fields. As he explains in detail in Chapter Two of his book: [Note: I will endeavor to describe only in words what is graphically and with words depicted step-by-step in the book.] 1-A) If one has North and South ends of magnets facing one another with a gap between them (as in Faraday's Generator), if one moves a conductor DOWN at a right angle to the magnetic field, the CURRENT FLOW MOVES LEFT. (Figure 11-A) 1-B) If one applies a downward force to the axis of a spinning gyroscope, it will pivot at a right angle to the force (in this case of Figure 11-A1) it will PIVOT LEFT. Now imagine that this gyroscope has a forward motion at the speed of light as well as spins at the speed of light. 2-A) If one has North and South ends of magnets facing one another with a gap between them (as in Faraday's Generator), if one moves a conductor UP at a right angle to the magnetic field, the CURRENT FLOW MOVES RIGHT. (Figure 11-B) 2-B) If one applies a upward force to the axis of a spinning gyroscope, it will pivot at a right angle to the force (in this case of Figure 11-B1) it will PIVOT RIGHT and opposite to the case of 1-B above. Now imagine that this gyroscope has a forward motion at the speed of light as well as spins at the speed of light. 3-A) Now flip the above-described magnets over 180 degrees: If one has a South and North magnet facing one another with a gap between them (as in Faraday's Generator), if one moves a conductor DOWN at a right angle to the magnetic field, the CURRENT FLOW MOVES RIGHT and opposite to that of case 1-A even though the force direction is the same. (Figure 11-C) 3-B) Now flip the above-described gyroscope over 180 degrees: If one applies a downward force to the axis of a spinning gyroscope, it will pivot at a right angle to the force (in this case of Figure 11-C1) it will PIVOT RIGHT and opposite to the case of 1-B above even though the force direction is the same. Now imagine that this gyroscope has a forward motion at the speed of light as well as spins at the speed of light. 4-A) With the magnets in the same position as 3-A, If one has a South and North magnet facing one another with a gap between them (as in Faraday's Generator), if one moves a conductor UP at a right angle to the magnetic field, the CURRENT FLOW MOVES LEFT and opposite to that of case 2-A even though the force directon is the same. (Figure 11-D) 4-B) With the gyroscope in the same position as 3-B, If one applies a upward force to the axis of a spinning gyroscope, it will pivot at a right angle to the force (in this case of Figure 11-D1) it will PIVOT LEFT and opposite to the case of 2-B above even though the force direction is the same. Now imagine that this gyroscope has a forward motion at the speed of light as well as spins at the speed of light. 5-A) With the magnets in the same position as 3-A, Move the conductor vigorously "up" and "down"
[CTRL] Fwd: CORROBORATIVE INFO FROM THE JOURNAL OF APPLIED PHYSICS
CORROBORATIVE INFO FROM THE JOURNAL OF APPLIED PHYSICS IT HAS COME TO OUR ATTENTION THAT A RESEARCH REPORT PUBLISHED IN THE JOURNAL OF APPLIED PHYSICS (Volume 77, Issue 11, June 1, 1995, pages 6015-6020) PUBLISHED BY THE AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF PHYSICS, FURTHER VALIDATES THE PIONEERING WORK OF INVENTOR JOSPEPH NEWMAN. TITLE: Increased Voltage Phenomenon in a Resonance Circuit of Unconventional Magnetic Configuration PREFACE: The behavior of an ICR (inductance-capacitance-resistance) circuit with a moveable ferromagnetic core is discussed. The core is attracted by a magnetic field generated by an electric current resulting from the discharge of a capacitor in the closed ICR circuit. An unusual increase in recharge voltage, which was dependent on the magnetic configuration of the coil, was observed. This voltage increase does not conform to the mathematical simulation of the system. The possibility that a positive electromotive force was involved in this effect is discussed. -- The following is a particularly interesting statement from this article: -- "Generally speaking, it is expected that the total recharge voltage will decrease because this system produces mechanical output as the core moves. However, through a series of experiments, it was discovered that results depend on the magnetic configuration of the coils used in the circuit. In other words, for a certain kind of magnetic field, the opposite result could occur --- an increase in the average current and recharge voltage. To confirm the above observations, an experiment was conducted, which is described in this article." -- The following was one of the final conclusions presented in this article: -- "It can be postulated that the complex movement of magnetic flux generates a positive EMF, but the cause of the voltage increase is not clear." -- Through his research over the past 30 years and as demonstrated in his numerous experiments and working prototypes, Joseph Newman has presented a comprehensive explanation for the cause of the "voltage increase" described in the above article. I urge the reader to locate a copy of this research article from the Journal of Applied Physics, published by the American Institute of Physics, and review it for yourself. THE ENERGY MACHINE OF JOSEPH NEWMAN 11445 East Via Linda, No. 416 Scottsdale, Arizona 85259 (480) 657-3722 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] "I cannot conceive curved lines of force without the conditions of a physical existence in that intermediate space." --- MICHAEL FARADAY
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Waco's Little Rock Connection
-Caveat Lector- If an alien in a duck suit doesn't bite your ass is it still real? Ric Carter wrote: -Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Theodor Parada, MD [EMAIL PROTECTED] When it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck!! Or it's an alien in a duck suit. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Waco Spin
-Caveat Lector- What is a lawful inquiry? Does it have anything to do with this? All the State Codes are exactly what their titles indicate them to be: codes. They are written by and for those of the ruling system, in the system's language, with loaded meanings, for self-serving and fraudulent purposes. All federal and state courts are private commercial bankruptcy tribunals collecting from the citizens (assets) to pay on the Chapter 11 reorganization brought about by bankrupting the US through the paper-money banking-swindle. Codes are the private "law" used in the bankruptcy tribunals. As codes, they must be deciphered, which is the function of special decoders called "attorneys." who write the codes (all of which, in the US, are copyrighted private law owned by foreign corporations, mostly British, such as Lord Thompson of the Thompson Group, Montreal) and are the only persons authorized to cross the bar and "practice" the private commercial maze of deliberate deceit falsely called "law." ... Sean McDougal wrote: -Caveat Lector- Original Message Follows From: William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] You want WACO SPIN??? How about Koresh was a pedophile, a Christian KOOK, and a fella' who REFUSED a lawful inquiry... let us not deify this douche-bag...he's not worthy! -- sounds personaleither you had a hands on role in the case, or you knew Koresh personally, or you are spewing cow puckey. which is it? __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] NOW: WACO HEARINGS ON C-SPAN (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Channel 350 (CSP-1) on DSS is airing the congressional hearing on WAKO from 7/26/95 from 10:00 to 3:45 California time today (9/4/99). Talking are the FBI ATF. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] GI Cop/Paramilitary/MC
-Caveat Lector- This article on paramilitary elements in police departments interested me a great deal -- I wish the author had published it in a credible news source like a known newspaper. And I would like to know more about her sources. As I ran into -- without initially knowledge about -- a Canadian (Toronto-London-Detroit) paramilitary unit back in 1992 -- in New England. This group and its "Arian" members (strange group of men I will say and other creatures possibly) had "police" and U.S. Washington DC connections throughout the entire eastern seaboard. And they traveled frequently from city to city in the U.S. staging stalking wars with new weapons on individuals who were targeted. They wound up targeting me -- as well as at least one other pretty woman from Manhattan. Their crime turf was Long Island, Manhattan, NJ, upper NY state, some of PA and DC. They also traveled, in a pack via cars, throughout the SW into Mexico and Central America -- ostensibly going after "drug" lord people. They took JOBS, like hit jobs on people -- usually individuals -- I understood later -- and they acted like middle men -- between connections to get people. This way the trail was harder to prosecute and target them. Plus, the police everywhere, appeared to bow to their presence. These men would laugh about police and how they covered their tracks. People so targeted with mind control tactics, implants and surveillance strategies need to consider that an element which may be actually staging the assaults is probably paramilitary. These groups are not a joke. They are extremely violent. And they are probably the main arm of the U.S. govt in using people in black projects. And they know how to make money on people who are targeted by other groups too. I have accused one of the leaders of this paramilitary group in court of staging the stalking violence on me. But, these men have carte blanche in the U.S. as far as setting these scenarios up on people -- realize. They accept gifts for payments often not money. They can't be easily prosecuted outside of the U.S. -- so the U.S. citizenry are their prey. And easy prey at that. Last, what the paramilitary guys are actually DOING is another question with the black projects. Because it isn't just hit jobs on individuals that they get away with. They are tied into some very bizarre projects with the CIA and probably with pimps - and it is NOT your garden variety situation of drug selling. Some very bizarre new technologies, possibly new means of travel, transportation, and transformation of species may be involved in this thing. I am convinced that they are using wind tunnel, vortexes -- for transport or somethin' -- or that the govt is and that mind control victim's residences are probably part of this scheme. Judith In a message dated 9/1/99 8:15:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subj: [CTRL] GI Cop Date:9/1/99 8:15:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alamaine Ratliff) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Conspiracy Theory Research List) Reply-to:A HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A (Conspiracy Theory Research List) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Caveat Lector- From cato.or/pubs/briefs/bp-050es.html get it Briefing Paper No. 50August 26, 1999 Picture Warrior Cops The Ominous Growth of Paramilitarism in American Police Departments by Diane Cecilia Weber Diane Cecilia Weber is a Virginia writer on law enforcement and criminal justice. Executive Summary Over the past 20 years Congress has encouraged the U.S. military to supply intelligence, equipment, and training to civilian police. That encouragement has spawned a culture of paramilitarism in American law enforcement. The 1980s and 1990s have seen marked changes in the number of state and local paramilitary units, in their mission and deployment, and in their tactical armament. According to a recent academic survey, nearly 90 percent of the police departments surveyed in cities with populations over 50,000 had paramilitary units, as did 70 percent of the departments surveyed in communities with populations under 50,000. The Pentagon has been equipping those units with M-16s, armored personnel carriers, and grenade launchers. The police paramilitary units also conduct training exercises with active duty Army Rangers and Navy SEALs. State and local police departments are increasingly accepting the military as a model for their behavior and outlook. The sharing of training and technology is producing a shared mindset. The problem is that the mindset of the soldier is simply not appropriate for the civilian police officer. Police officers confront not an enemy but individuals who are protected by the Bill of Rights. Confusing the police function with the military function can lead to dangerous
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Should we trust the government?
-Caveat Lector- It all makes perfect sense, expressed in dollars and cents, pounds shillings and pence... Moslem or Christian, Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: Give any one species too much rope and they'll f*** it UP? Roger Waters Amused to Death What God WantsGod Gets. God help us all. B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- The short answer to this is; "Fuck no." Having said that, a bigger question begs to be asked. How can anyone even ask the question in the first place? How many times do you have to be lied to, beaten, have your rights violated, be taxed to death, be consigned to prison for using your constitutional rights, be set up, have your door busted in at 2:00 AM to take your "drugs", have pyrotechnic grenades thrown at you and your family and friends, be denied the exercise of your religious rights, be stopped and searched just 'cause your black, be subject to police beatings, and etc., before you finally have to say enough is enough, point made? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Waco's Little Rock Connection
-Caveat Lector- Yeah they were 3 of the 50 or so mysterious deaths surrounding Clintons immediate administration...he is a remoreseless killer as they all are...when people become assets of the world banking industry through a paper money swindle/debtors society, then overpopulation is encouraged as a means to profit...this includes drastic depopulation through wars and all that. Your point is well taken here. Thanks...B "Theodor Parada, MD" wrote: -Caveat Lector- Does anyone recall that 3 of the 4 ATF agents that were assigned to Billie Boy Clinton during his presidential campaign in 92, died in the waco raid!!! what a coincidence! When it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck!! Waco's Little Rock connection September 3, 1999 Joseph Farah Finally, there's some finger-pointing going on in the executive branch of the federal government over the exterminations of more than 70 men, women and children at the Branch Davidian church in Waco in 1993. It's about time. This is progress. But we won't be any closer to holding the guilty accountable until the White House connections are fully explored. There's ample reason to believe Bill Clinton was working behind the scenes on engineering the initial Waco raid even before he became president. One of the original witnesses against the Branch Davidians was Bill Buford, the agent in charge of the Little Rock, Ark., branch of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. Buford was, also, according to Arkansas sources, a friend of Bill. The Waco case was apparently very important to Buford as an affidavit states he was working on New Year's Day calling former Branch Davidians seeking to find evidence of sexual abuse. My friend and colleague, Andy Beal, who first explored the Little Rock connection to Waco, asks a good question: What was the resident agent in charge of the Little Rock office of the BATF doing investigating a sex abuse case in Texas? Is sex abuse BATF's jurisdiction? Is Texas under the jurisdiction of the BATF's Arkansas office? Documents show Buford is noted as one of two "senior raid planners." He was also one of the BATF agents wounded during the Feb. 28 assault, but he is perhaps the only BATF agent to be visited in the hospital by none other than top Treasury Department official Roger Altman. Altman was the long-time "Friend of Bill" appointed to be deputy secretary of the Treasury and chief executive officer of the Resolution Trust Corporation. He resigned in August 1994 due to his interference in the Whitewater investigation. At the time of the Waco raid, Roger Altman was the second highest-ranking official at the Department of the Treasury. The BATF is a bureau within the Treasury Department. Is it not possible -- is it not likely, knowing what we know about the character of the Clinton administration today -- that the Clinton transition team was involved in the planning of the initial raid on Waco even before taking power? Remember, Vincent Foster's wife claimed he blamed himself for the deaths in Waco. Webster Hubbell, who became the point man between the Justice Department and White House during the siege, was also instrumental in that transition to power. Then there's Altman and Buford. Foster, Hubbell, Altman and Buford were all in Little Rock leading up to the inauguration. Clinton takes power Jan. 20, 1993. One month later, the BATF stages the largest and most dramatic raid in its history -- videotaped in living color in anticipation of its success in subduing religious non-conformists in possession of illegal guns. The injustice and illegality of the initial raid has still never been fully examined. Today the focus is on how and why the remaining occupants of the church building were exterminated in a fire. Yet, the equally puzzling question of why a dynamic and violent entry was necessary to serve a search warrant on David Koresh shortly after he went target shooting with officers of the BATF. The local sheriff offered to serve the warrant at the general store to avoid any confrontation. There was simply no need for all the deadly theatrics of the initial raid. The only reasonable explanation seems to be the one proffered by the documentary, "Waco: Rules of Engagement," which postulates that the raid was intended as a public relations effort by the BATF and a commercial for stricter gun control enforcement. There are many unanswered questions when it comes to Waco. But maybe now it's time to start asking some of the unasked questions. What was the involvement in Waco planning of key Clinton White House officials even before they took power? Was the Waco raid, in fact, cooked up as a publicity and political stunt by an incoming administration itching for drama and action? Is it possible
[CTRL] Fwd: UNDERNEWS Sep 4
UNDERNEWS Sam Smith September 4, 1999 The Progressive Review 1739 Conn. Ave. NW Washington DC 20009 202-232-5544 Fax: 202-234-6222 E-MAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INDEX: http://prorev.com RECENT UNDERNEWS: http://prorev.com/indexa.htm TODAY'S HEADLINE NEWS: http://prorev.com/altnews.htm THE REVIEW FORUM: http://prorev.com/letters.com DONATIONS AND ORDER FORM: http://prorev.com/order3.htm UNSUBSCRIBE: Reply with 'unsubscribe' in the subject line. For a free subscription to our e-mail updates send your postal address with zip code. Copyright 1999, The Progressive Review. Matter not independently copyrighted may be reprinted provided TPR is paid your normal reprint fees, if any, and is given proper credit. Because of its quantity, TPR's mail is not always answered, but it is always read. The editor is cheered or remorseful as appropriate and posts some of the more interesting messages at http://prorev.com/letters.htm -- EDITOR RETURNS TO SCENE OF CRIME Your editor is now back in town after an interesting ride aboard the Bridgeport-Port Jefferson ferry during which he, his wife, and a crew member were trapped for 40 minutes inside a hot, unventilated, 5x8 steel box parading as an elevator. We were eventually freed by a force of a large crow bar. Long Island has never looked so good. BRITISH COCAINE USE SOARS OBSERVER, LONDON: Cocaine has become Britain's fastest growing "recreational" drug among 20-years-olds, according to results published by the British Crime Survey. For the first time, the survey, which is based on interviews with 10,000 people, shows that a majority of the population - 52 % - says they have experimented with illegal drugs at least once. The number of 20-24 year olds who admit using cocaine in the last year has more than doubled The Home Office survey also reveals that smoking cannabis continues to prove extremely popular with the young, with an increase from 25% to 29% between 1996 and 1998 of those under 30 who say they have used it in the last year The official survey confirms that drug abuse is relatively uncommon among adults and is generally confined to a short period of experimentation in the mid to late-teens. PROZAC DANGER GUARDIAN, LONDON: Prozac, the anti-depressant taken by millions, was known by its manufacturers as a possible cause of agitation leading to suicidal tendencies as long ago as 1978, according to documents released in the US civil courts The Eli Lilly papers, which chronicle the company's concerns over the restless state of mind of some patients during clinical trials, were produced during a case in Hawaii, the first of some 200 in the US alleging links between Prozac, violence and suicide, to have come to a verdict. The case concerned a couple who retired to Hawaii from California in 1989. Finding it hard to adjust to the changes in his life, Bill Forsyth saw a doctor and was prescribed Prozac for a mixed depressive anxiety disorder. At first Mr. Forsyth said he felt marvelous, but within two days he was imploring his son and wife to get him into a psychiatric hospital. Soon after he returned home, he stabbed his wife June to death and impaled himself on a kitchen knife The family's lawyers argued in court that Eli Lilly had known for years that patients on Prozac, which was launched in 1988, could suddenly become akathisic - a strange, restless and agitated state of mind in which they can get compulsions to commit violence on other people and themselves [The lawyers] cited internal minutes from the Prozac development team in August 1978 which ran: "There have been a fairly large number of reports of adverse reactions... Another depressed patient developed psychosis... Akathisia and restlessness were reported in some patients." The authorities in Germany, considering Eli Lilly's application for a license in 1984, were concerned. "During the treatment with the preparation [Prozac], 16 suicide attempts were made, two of these with success. As patients with a risk of suicide were excluded from the studies, it is probable this high proportion can be attributed to an action of the preparation." Prozac now carries a warning in Germany of a risk of suicide. MORE STORIES FROM THE GUARDIAN AND OBSERVER http://www.prorev.com/altnews.htm WACO MASSACRE THE OKLAHOMAN: It was April 1994, a year after the Branch Davidian standoff ended in disaster, when Bob Ricks had his chance to quiz Attorney General Janet Reno. He had finished his job as chief FBI spokesman during the 51-day siege outside Waco, Texas, but it still bothered him that the Justice Department later ordered agents, he said, not to speak about the operation. Reno was in Oklahoma City to promote a congressional crime bill and met with employees of the local FBI office. "I said, 'You probably don't realize it, but in the Midwest, Waco is still extremely a big deal out here, and it's the subject of much conversation. As you
[CTRL] NEWMAN SUPPRESSED TECHNOLOGY.
-Caveat Lector- The world has been waiting for decades for NEWMAN to allow independent verification of his technology The key is INDEPENDENT VERIFICATION.. We have recommended for years in FTIR that Newman take his technologydown to the University of Arizona Engineering Department for evaluation.. Until this is done the Newman technology cannot be described as "suppressed" and there is NO conspiracy, except in Joseph Newmans mind/ In fact the National Institute of Standards did run tests. The results were negative.. ANTONY C SUTTON FUTURE TECHNOLOGY INTELLIGENCE REPORT DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Saturday #2
denmeanings.com/hidden.html#KINGDOM : Does Uranus upset you, shake you up, turn you upside down? Are you ready for the Kingdom of Uranus? Do you worship Uranus? Does Uranus worship you? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ SkeptiBriefs: # Dinosaur Find In Canada's North. Researchers say they have found dinosaur footprints believed to be over 65 million years old in Canada's north. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/19990904/sc/canada_dinosaurs_1.html # Latest Ozone Hole Weaker Than '98. The "ozone hole" over the Antarctic is expected to grow this year to around twice the size of Europe, but it is weaker than last year because polar winds have eased. Have a nice tan. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/19990901/sc/un_ozone_layer_1.html # US Space Shuttle Fleet Grounded. NASA's fleet of space shuttles, grounded as inspectors inch their way thru trouble-plagued wiring on each orbiter, will not carry out further missions until mid-October at the earliest. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/19990904/sc/space_shuttle_1.html # Experts Search for Water in Space. Having found water in a 4.5 billion- year-old meteorite, NASA scientists are searching for more that may have been overlooked in other space rocks. Perrier is bidding on the franchise. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/19990827/sc/meteorite_water_1.html # Also: Scientists Examine Meteorite Water http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/19990827/sc/space_water_2.html _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "We're all on the road to Eternity Stuck in the breakdown lane to Eternity Just a little ways more to Eternity-eee..." http://www.sonic.net/~ric/music/mysongs4.htm#eter * http://skepticon.da.ru (updated) * ICQ# 19633976 * FAX: 603-415-3736 * email INFO or SUBSCRIBE SKEPTICHAT to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * SkeptiChat/SkeptiNews archives: http://skeptifiles.da.ru (belated) * Fringe * Science * Faith * Sex/Drugs * UFO/PSI/Y2K * Conspiracy * DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] five cases link
-Caveat Lector- Sorry, I sent the wrong link yesterday. This is the correct link for the THE LAW and MIND CONTROL - A LOOK AT THE LAW AND GOVERMENT MIND CONTROL THROUGH FIVE CASES Sincerely, Neil Brick http://members.aol.com/smartnews/fivecases.htm DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Saturday #3
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990904c - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. : No inconsistencies were expunged during the production of this bulletin. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Deadly, Insect-Borne Virus Hits New York. An unprecedented outbreak of mosquito-borne encephalitis has hit New York City, claiming at least one life and making more than 30 other people sick. Run for your life! Flee! Flee! http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/19990904/sc/health_newyork_1.html : What is your favorite insect-borne disease? Have you created any insect- vectored diseases lately? Can bugs infect us with an engineered virus that will boost intelligence, extend life, render us susceptible to mind control? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ @ Delusional Somatoform Disorders: An Evolutionary Hypothesis. Delusional Somatoform Disorders (DD, SD) may be psychological adaptations, evolved to mitigate the dangerous consequences of social exclusion ostracism. In the same way that fever is a healthy reaction to infection, such disorders are actually healthy reactions to extreme social threats like ostracism: when we lived in small, kin-based groups, DD and SD would have functioned to combat social exclusion by closely mimicking conditions, like external threats or illness, where fellow group members were likely to cooperate and provide assistance. http://www.sscf.ucsb.edu/~hagen/dd.html : Are you delusional? Are you obvious? Has anyone come to your assistance? Did you go nuts by being ostracized, ridiculed, abducted/implanted, doped? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Mining the Genome. (TechRev) The Human Genome Project piles up Everests of data. But getting new drugs out of it requires sophisticated software to sniff out patterns - one of the most crucial tasks of the hot field known as bioinformatics. http://www.techreview.com/articles/oct99/regalado.htm : What's your favorite genetic pattern? Have you replicated it in any crop circles yet? Is music encoded in your genes? Have you listened to y'r genes? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ @ TRAJECTORY OF THE SUN. In the Book of Revelation, Jesus Christ refers to himself as the Amen (Rev 3:14. ) Amen Ra is the name of the Egyptian Sun God. The life of Jesus duplicates the trajectory of the Sun. Coming down from Aries the Ram (The Highest Point), Crucified on the constellation "The Southern Cross" on Dec. 21st, entombed in the bowels of the earth, 3 days and 3 nights on Dec, 22, 23 24 (Winter Solstice), Born Again on Dec 25th. Out of the constellation Virgo (The Virgin) returning to the highest point Aries ( Spring Equinox), in the northern sky sitting at the right hand (Eastern Sky) and summer comes. In addition, in the Bible, Jesus dies and there is an eclipse and he rises at Sun Rise and his day is Sun Day. He is the Sun God. http://www.hiddenmeanings.com/hidden.html#TRAJECTORY : Do you worship the sun? Does the sun worship you? How about other suns? Do all stars have associated deities? Do they talk with each other? Are they a gang, a committee, a disputatious mob, a clusterfuck, a conspiracy, a band? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Russian Space Junk or Major UFO Event? Although a rash of UFO sightings reported recently would seem to be evidence of a major wave of unexplained paranormal activity, at least one researcher has warned investigators to check their facts before jumping to conclusions. Not that anyone bothers with verification anyway... http://www.space.com/area51/sep_sighting.html : To which conclusions do you prefer to jump? Do you jump head-first, feet- first, sideways, rolled up in a ball, randomly? Are Space Junkies better or worse than other junkies? Are you spaced? Should you be? Do aliens laugh?? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Gravity Measured by Dropping Atoms. Galileo once dropped stones from the Leaning Tower of Pisa to show that objects of different sizes fall at the same rate under Earth's gravity. More than 400 years later, researchers say they got the same result by dropping atoms. The findings confirm that the rate at which something falls is independent of its mass - whether it be an atom or chunk of glass used in modern experiments or a rock dropped from a tilting building in Italy. Jump off the roof and see for yourself. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/19990827/sc/dropping_atoms_2.html @ AntiGravity Propulsion Experiments. A number of experiments have been per- formed over the last several years, which have seemingly shown some form of gravity control or closely related phenomena. A practical AntiGravity propulsion system? http://members.tripod.com/~antigravitypower/exper.html : Does gravity work for you? Have you built any antigravity devices lately? Do they work? Have you dropped anything lately? Did if fall? Is gravity a pull or a push? Does
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Waco's Little Rock Connection
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ric Carter wrote: From: Theodor Parada, MD [EMAIL PROTECTED] When it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck!! Or it's an alien in a duck suit. If an alien in a duck suit doesn't bite your ass is it still real? Bite the (alleged) duck's ass and see. Verify, verify, verify... Ric "heading down to the duckpond, jaws twitching" Carter DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] CORROBORATIVE INFO FROM THE JOURNAL OF APPLIED PHYSICS
-Caveat Lector- CORROBORATIVE INFO FROM THE JOURNAL OF APPLIED PHYSICS IT HAS COME TO OUR ATTENTION THAT A RESEARCH REPORT PUBLISHED IN THE JOURNAL OF APPLIED PHYSICS (Volume 77, Issue 11, June 1, 1995, pages 6015-6020) PUBLISHED BY THE AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF PHYSICS, FURTHER VALIDATES THE PIONEERING WORK OF INVENTOR JOSPEPH NEWMAN. Validating Newman's claim that his device produces more energy than it consumes is simple. No meters or calculation are necessary. 1) Connect a power source to the Newman device input. 2) Connect a light bulb to the Newman device output. 3) Connect the Newman device output to its input. 4) Start the Newman device. 5) Disconnect the power source. 6) Watch it for a few weeks. If the Newman device can power itself and the light bulb for a significant period, Newman's claim can be considered as verified. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] CORROBORATIVE INFO FROM THE JOURNAL OF APPLIED PHYSICS
-Caveat Lector- It is NOT verified unless there is INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION. Newman has been citing these journals for years. You can cite all you want. You have zilch until it is done INDEPENDENTLY AS DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: WACO: Joyce Riley on Art Bell 9/2/99
-Caveat Lector- It seems to me that it is very possible that this charge is a form of disinformation. I don't know of any proof of this being asserted previous to this. The video of the fire starting at Waco showed a grardual build up of flames. I doubt if that would have happened if even one missle had been fired from a helicopter. Besides, why would they have to fire from a helicopter and make a big show? They could have started the fire with flash/bangs, as they probably did. How would such disinformation work? Get people hollering about something that is easily proven false, then claiming that you have answered your critics while ignoring the true charges. Howard Davis -- From: Sean McDougal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Fw: WACO: Joyce Riley on Art Bell 9/2/99 Date: Sat, Sep 4, 1999, 2:11 PM -Caveat Lector- Original Message Follows From: Jon Roland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: Fw: WACO: Joyce Riley on Art Bell 9/2/99 Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 00:26:01 -0500 (CDT) - Begin forwarded message -- To listen to the discussion of Waco by Joyce Riley on Art Bell, download the program. Click to listen: http://ww2.broadcast.com/artbell/abell/9909/ab0902.ram Pertinent parts begin at approximately 2 hours, six minutes (2:06) into the program. To fastforward to this point in the program, just move the clip position indicator with your mouse until the time indicator reads somewhere close to 2:06:00.0 Rough transcript beginning at above time (not proofread or spell-checked): ART BELL: All kinds of information breaking about Waco, just all kinds. I know you have new, as yet unheard by anybody information about Waco. What can you tell us? JOYCE RILEY: Well, let me preface this by saying the purpose for this person coming forward with the information was that he is a sick Gulf War veteran, and we had a long discussion about the secrets of the Gulf War illness and the cover-up involved there, and I said, "Just like Waco, there needs to be the exposure of the truth about Waco." And he said, "I know about Waco." And I said, "How do you know about Waco?" And he said, "I know more than I wish I knew. I was stationed at Fort Hood and we were the unit that provided the Apache attack helicopters." You can imagine how startled I was to hear that there were Apache attack helicopters, because an Apache is not even armed in the United States. It's never armed because it is nothing but a helicopter for war. It's -- ART: An Apache, actually, was probably the most efficient killing machine in the Gulf War, so efficient that the images were hidden from the American people. The Apache is an incredible war machine. People have no idea how devastating the fire power from that helicopter can be. JOYCE: Oh, it is. It looks like a preying mantis. It is the helicopter that has the wheels on it. And if you were to ever see one, it is just -- it's very formidable. And in talking with this Gulf War veteran, and part of the reason I'm saying this today is because of his -- for his protection, because Texas Rangers have become involved in this since I talked with you, Art, so I'm not at liberty to identify some of the things that I was going to say. But I did get a phone call from Dick DeGuerin today, which the attorney for the Branch Dividians, and I can assure you that this information that he gave coincides with what he already knew and speculated. But let me just say that this Gulf War veteran, after we talked about this, I said, "You know you have a responsibility to come forward, because if we want people to tell the truth about Gulf War illness, if we want the people to come out of the Pentagon and out of the corners in the back alleys and admit to what has gone on there, we're going to have to tell what we know." So he has come forward. He is a destitute, if you will, Gulf War veteran who has no purpose in doing this other than the world needs to know the truth, and it is time that we quit harboring these secrets under the name of military adventure or military action. What he told me is that while he was stationed at Fort Hood at the F227 Aviation Apache Attack Squadron, that they armed the Apache helicopters to go in to Waco. ART: They armed them. JOYCE: They armed them. Now understanding that if what we say is true here today, this is the most devastating information to come across, because this puts the liability and the accountability all the way up to the president, for arming a helicopter for a war situation within the United States, basically violating the Posse Commitatus Act. ART: Absolutely. JOYCE: So, when he described this operation, I asked him what they armed the helicopters with. ART: Good. And what did he say? JOYCE: He said they armed them -- there were 20 helicopters that took turns going back and forth between Ft.
[CTRL] How Uncle SamTurned into a Big Brother
-Caveat Lector- FROM PHOENIX, ARIZONA All 137 earlier Special Truth in Media Global Watch Bulletins on NATO's Kosovo War and "Peace" can also be seen at our Web site: www.truthinmedia.org, along with numerous photos and other memorable images. The Kosovo TiM GW Bulletins are now divided into two sections: NATO's War (106 issues) and NATO's "Peace" (33 issues). Issue S99-138, "Peace" 33 -- August 24, 1999 3. A Sobering Message to Truthmongers Around the World: How "Uncle Sam" Turned into a "Big Brother" PHOENIX, Aug. 24 - And now, here's an epilogue to the story behind the above "Venik" story. And it has nothing to do with Serbia. It has to do with how Uncle Sam's criminal reincarnation, the Clinton administration, tried to shut down the dissemination of God's truth during NATO's war on Serbia, and turned itself into a Big Brother reincarnate. At least two U.S. Internet providers not only had tried to, but actually did, shut down the "Venik" Web sites. At the U.S. government urging, the "Venik" insists. Because he told the truth about NATO's aggression on Serbia. Here are copies of some of the correspondence which TiM exchanged with "Venik" during the course of trying to verify his existence and credibility. You can judge for yourself whom to believe - the "Venik," or the "Big Brother:" VENIK: "I am reading your TiM newsletter about the situation in Yugoslavia with great interest every time. During NATO's aggression against Yugoslavia, the (TiM) newsletter provided a lot of particularly interesting information that would otherwise have escaped my attention. I did my best during NATO's aggression to maintain an accurate record of NATO combat losses and military tactics. My Web site (Venik's Aviation Page) had on the average about 3,000 visitors every day from Yugoslavia alone. Which, I guess is not bad for a personal home page. Several months ago I received a strange letter from the webmaster of Cybercities - my former Web space provider - who explained that he was forced by the government to close my page. I moved my site to XOOM, where it existed until several days ago when I received a similar letter for XOOM's webmaster. Knowing that your newsletter targets the audience which may be interested in the kind of information presented on my Web site, I decided to contact you with a request to include the new address (below) of my page in your newsletter." Asked by TiM who ordered his ISPs to shut down his Web site, "Venik" replied: "Apparently, it was the US government. It appears that I probably deleted the e-mail from XOOM's webmaster, but I still have the one I got from the Cybercities, which is a Web space provider based in Flagstaff, Arizona. Their Web site is www.cybercities.com Recently they re-designed their web page and removed any info about their location. But on their old web site the address was: Cybercities.com; 2532 Borth 4th St. #301; Flagstaff, AZ, 86004 Here is the e-mail I received from the Webmaster of Cybercities on May 26, 1999. Subject line: Anti-American Pages; sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Dear Madam - Sir, We recently got some governmental complaints about your web page on our server concerning the topic: Aircraft used and lost in Yugoslavia. You know, that our policy is, and always will be, to obtain the free speech on the internet. But, as you might know, our server is located in the U.S. , so we cannot provide any topics, that collide with federal laws of the U.S.. And according to one of these laws, no company inside the U.S. is allowed to supply any hostile country, this concerns ALSO (due to the email we got) YOUR web page. So we please you to rearrange your web site the way it does not show the numbers and locations where the Yugoslavian side assume NATO planes got down (If it is true or not I do not care) or we have to shut down your web page. Sorry ?about that [EMAIL PROTECTED]" To be honest, at first I assumed that this was somebody's practical joke, so I checked the source code of the e-mail and, to my surprise, it did come from Cybercities. On the very same day Cybercities disabled my account and erased all of my files. That was it. Somebody must have really spooked them. Cybercities did not reply to any of my e-mails regarding the termination of my Web site." --- TiM Ed.: Welcome to the Big Brother's (not Uncle Sam's) United States of America. NOTE: To cancel the e-mail editions of our reports, just reply REMOVE or UNSUBSCRIBE, followed by the e-mail address at which you're receiving them. Bob Djurdjevic TRUTH IN MEDIA Phoenix, Arizona e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] We are about to go on a Journey. All Aboard http://sites.netscape.net/gsussnzl/homepage DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths,
[CTRL] Mi c trol
-Caveat Lector- From: "Dana Redding" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have been chatting with a victim who is not able to have access to the internet and wants to know any possible purpose programmed dreams might have. Any and all information would be appreciated. I do not exactly know what you are searching for but I recently got a URL about the Project MONARCH. Its a whole book online and its very detailed. Strip away the Illumiaty conspiracy and you got a receipe how to build MPD/DID "slaves". http://mercury.spaceports.com/~persewen/table_of_contents.htm Robert http://www.morethanconquerors.simplenet.com/MCF/victm-hm.htm#Born http://www.lycaeum.org/drugs/Tryptamines/Lysergic/acid_dreams1.html http://www.drugtext.org/psychedelics/marks.htm http://www.angelfire.com/or/mctrl/ http://www.visitations.com/mindcontrol/intro.htm http://www.dc.peachnet.edu/~shale/ - Human Experimentation http://www.au.af.mil/au/2025/volume3/chap03/v3c3-1.htm We are about to go on a Journey. All Aboard http://sites.netscape.net/gsussnzl/homepage DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Apex blues
-Caveat Lector- I got this from another list. Who smells a rat? Peter i left my desk for 48 hours, and the next thing i hear is that the malaysian PM has announced that he will not be attending APEC, citing a busy schedule... simultaneously, he has announced an east Asia economic meeting for Asian countries excluding USA, and that he will be attending this forum... sounds like he is playing political games again We are about to go on a Journey. All Aboard http://sites.netscape.net/gsussnzl/homepage DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Apex firepower
-Caveat Lector- I hope they remember we are nuke free too :( Peter "I think that you could categorise [New Zealand] as a target of opportunity. Here, as in many other countries, there is a clear danger of targets being chosen." http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nzherald99/story.cfm?theClassification=searchtheS toryID=3231 By Eugene Bingham The top United States criminal investigator says Apec leaders will be well protected in New Zealand with or without a law change giving foreign agents the right to carry guns. Judge Louis Freeh, director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, yesterday reviewed security preparations for this year's meeting of Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation leaders. At the same time, a parliamentary committee was considering legislation to boost the firepower of overseas bodyguards. After meeting the Prime Minister, Jenny Shipley, Judge Freeh said he would not comment on whether the right to bear arms was necessary. "What I am confident about is that the 21 heads of state who will be here ... will be well protected. "As to that particular legislation, Parliament will reach the appropriate conclusion." While he was happy with the security plans so far, he said New Zealand had to be on guard. "I think that you could categorise [New Zealand] as a target of opportunity. Here, as in many other countries, there is a clear danger of targets being chosen." Judge Freeh also met the Police Commissioner, Peter Doone, and the head of the Security Intelligence Service, Don McIver. Mr Doone said the police were keen for the legislation to be passed. "We saw the need to have a framework to be able to consider the individual threats to individual delegations and to ensure that between the internal police and those delegations we had every security aspect covered," said Mr Doone. Mrs Shipley said she had been glad to discuss Apec security arrangements with Judge Freeh. "I certainly sought his advice on international terrorism risks." Pictured: FBI director Judge Louis Freeh, surrounded by security agents as he left the Beehive. HERALD PICTURE / MARK MITCHELL We are about to go on a Journey. All Aboard http://sites.netscape.net/gsussnzl/homepage DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] OPEN POLLINATED Seed sources, many links. Just say NO: terminator / Genetic Engineered
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Re: [CTRL] U.S APEC Security Data Sent To Chicken Factory
-Caveat Lector- Yep it is true alright. I live in Auckland and it was in the NZ Herald with a photo of the chicken factory owner . I did look in the NZ Herald online but I can not locate any reference to it ? Why not I ask myself tee hee http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nzherald99/index.cfm Peter We are about to go on a Journey. All Aboard http://sites.netscape.net/gsussnzl/homepage - Original Message - From: Hilary A. Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 04, 1999 4:01 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] U.S APEC Security Data Sent To Chicken Factory -Caveat Lector- Matt, is there an article on this? How did you find out about this? Hilary -- From: Matt.S [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] U.S APEC Security Data Sent To Chicken Factory Date: Friday, September 03, 1999 12:27 AM -Caveat Lector- Yes the boys at the Whitehouse have done it again, a small chicken processing plant in Auckland had its fax machine spitting out confidential security details of communication equipment, routes to be travelled, driver names probably a lot more. It was all supposed to go to the APEC Security Control Office, but it looks like a case of, sorry wrong number. The chicken plant workers said they would have rather had an order for chicken than Clintons security arrangements, what a joke, anyone for a chicken nibble, just contact the Whitehouse, they have the fax number, Matt.S DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Scientific Heresy
-Caveat Lector- Maybe this may help Peter Punctuated versus Gradual http://www.monmouth.com/~bcornet/pictures.htm We are about to go on a Journey. All Aboard http://sites.netscape.net/gsussnzl/homepage - Original Message - From: Bob Stokes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 04, 1999 5:19 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Scientific "Heresy" -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-09-03 12:00:39 EDT, Ric Carter writes: Anti-evolutionism is a Chinese-sponsored plot to destroy US science education and productivity. Creationists are dupes of a foreign power, pawns of Chinese agents, manipulated by forces beyond their control. Bother. You have mentioned this "Chinese Connection" before, but have, so far, offered no supporting material or factors that connect China with creationists. Red China is anti-Christian/Moslem/Buddist/religion if anything, Communism wants only one religion, that of the State as with any Statist form of government. Science does not work on Darwinism alone. Pro-Evolutionists are knowwn for their humor (hoaxes) ... Is this a troll? Regards, Bob Stokes DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Alien probe discovered masked as asteroid
-Caveat Lector- Alien probe discovered masked as asteroid Here is HARD EVIDENCE and possibly proof, procured by Jeff Rense of Sightings.com, that an asteroidal object, 1991VG, is an object of non-human origin, displaying an artificial flight pattern based only in gravitational effect, is in fact an ET device. And of course, the government knows all about it. http://www.sightings.com/ufo4/spcraft.htm Mike Wagner - DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: SNET: Martial Law
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: David Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, 3 September 1999 4:17 Subject: SNET: Martial Law - SNETNEWS Mailing List Go here for the LINKS: http://members.tripod.com/Montalk/doomed.htm Facts, Rumors, and Speculations Montalk 9-1-99 At least three truck drivers were escorted mid July by security on separate occasions while carrying secretive cargo to three cities: Dallas, Texas; New Orleans, Louisiana; and Fort Knox, Tennessee. One trucker, with military experience, arrived at his destination in New Orleans -- a police station. There, he decided to peek at what cargo he had been hauling, which had been taken to the basement of the police station. In the basement, a cavity was being filled with cement or concrete, and within the cavity the driver identified a nuclear device being burried. Such a device would be hidden, and nearly impossible to disarm if time were short. The other two cities likely had nuclear devices within them also, and since the three truckers couldn't possibly have been the only ones to experience this, there could be numerous other bombs in America's major cities. New Orleans is several feet below sea level, meaning a nuclear explosion there could break the levees and flood the entire city. Why so many bombs? The NWO seeks both control through martial law and population reduction; the two go hand in hand since smaller populations are easier to control. (source: honest friend) In an article, suitcase nukes were said to have been shipped into the US mid-July, confirming the last paragraph, and placed in major eastern coastal cities, due to be detonated between Sept 9 and 14.(source: link) A National Guard member mentioned he and many others were ordered to be in Tennessee Sept 14, to remain there indefinitely. The reason for the order was withheld from those going there. (source: friend) Some militias have been predicting since early this year of martial law in September to October, and have been arming heavily in preparation. Blue "martial law" signs have appeared in some large cities, whose characteristics do not indicate any other possibile use. (source: link) Along I-94 from Minnesota to Milwaukee, many light military trucks were seen traveling east-bound early August of this year. A few rest stops closed along the way had also been observed. At one rest stop, two rows of military vehicles (jeeps), more than a dozen in each row, were parked on both sides of the closed rest stop. No men, civilian or military, were seen in the vicinity. (source: personal friend) In southern US, possibly Texas, more rest stops had been seen closed down early this year. It is confirmed that at least one of these rest stops has a freshly-poured helicopter pad behind it, out of sight from drivers passing by. Photographs have been taken of schoolbuses painted white with UN decal. (source: link) A friend complained the tops of his school's buses were painted white already, while in service of transporting students. The federal government has ordered 25 million bodybags. The federal government has ordered excessively massive amounts of fencing. Marines have been conducting Urban Warrior exercises, and live fire raids on unsuspecting neighborhoods. They have done training exercises involving assault tactics in urban environments, riot suppression, and insurgent elimination, tasks typically found in martial law situations. Marines have also practiced blocking freeways, something necessary in keeping roads clear of civilian traffic and allowing military or supply vehicles free access. This is necessary during martial law or Y2k times. Since at least February, chemtrails have been sighted all over America, and in Europe, too. Samples of residue were found to contain bacteria typical of biological warfare and ethylene dibromide, a jet additive and carcinogen. This may be the first agent of a double agent spraying, whereby the first creates an innocent disease such as cough or pneumonia, but activation of the agent's more potent effects comes at a later time. Millions could die as a result...unless they get a vaccine from the govt, but having to give up their freedom and sovereignty first. Military personel have been given the anthrax vaccine lest they face court marshall and dishonorable discharge. In a civil war, much of the US military would be opposed to martial law or any suppression of the population due to the high concentration of patriots within the military. By giving them a vaccine with at timed biological agent, the US military could die off by the thousands when the time comes. In place of the perished officers would come foreign troops, most of whom are already here. These foreign troops would have no inhibition to fire upon the American citizen. Much military surplus, such as machine guns, helicopters, etc...have been given to local law enforcement agencies around the country. There has also
[CTRL] Excerpt from Sinister Twilight
-Caveat Lector- Here's what Ron Cole says in "Sinister Twilight." (This background is necessary to understand the insufficiency of the warrant). Origination of the Investigation Late in May of 1992, Chief Deputy Sheriff Daniel Weyenberg of the McLennan County Sheriff's Department contacted the Austin office of the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms (ATF). Deputy Sheriff Weyenberg was suspicious abut various UPS boxes that had been received at the Mag Bag, a building that was used by the Branch Davidians and David Koresh to receive packages and mail. According to Weyenberg, the Mag Bag had received shipments of "military type surplus items" such as practice grenades. Weyenberg further spiced up the story by explaining to the ATF, that David Koresh had been arrested for attempted murder in the George Roden Shootout in 1987. He explained that Koresh and his friends had been caught wearing camouflage and face paint, which was a total fabrication. Weyenberg also explained how he had seen the Branch Davidians constructing a huge bomb shelter next to the main building on Mt. Carmel. This "bomb shelter" was of course the tornado shelters that were a part of the new construction plan along with the swimming pool. In reality, the tornado shelters had wooden roofs and were to have been covered with abut one foot of dirt. They would not have been able to support the weight of a car, let alone any sort of bomb! This reality, however, escaped Deputy Sheriff Weyenberg. As a result of this information presented to the ATF, Special Agent Davy Aguilera, with the help of the Assistant U.S. Attorney in Waco, Bill Johnson, began inquiries into the activities of David Koresh and those living at Mt. Carmel. By June 9, 1992, an investigation was officially opened by ATF although no new evidence had surfaced other than the word of Weyenberg. On June 15, Aguilera presented his information, or lack of it, to the Special Agent in charge of the Austin ATF office, Philip Chojnacki. Chojnacki classified the investigation as "routine" which meant that Aguilera did not have to keep his superiors advised of the case. According to the Treasury Department's investigation of the ATF that was released in October of 1993, however, the investigation was classified "sensitive." Such a classification would require that the higher levels in ATF would have t be kept informed of the case throughout the investigation. The Treasury Department must have taken Chojnacki at his word, and never bothered to check the records. The initial Report of Investigation, written by Agent Aguilera and signed by Agent Chojnacki, is classified "routine" as of July 23, 1992. Aguilera was given a free reign to do what he pleased. Aguilera set out to obtain invoices from the companies that did business with David Koresh. Olympic Arms, makers of the AR-15 and AR-15 components, cooperated fully with the ATF. Nessard Gun Parts also cooperated fully with Aguilera and presented ATF with invoices of parts ordered by the Mag Bag or David Koresh. It was discovered that 60 AR-15 magazines and several AR-15 upper receivers were ordered from Nessard Gun Parts. Later on, Olympic Arms provided Aguilera with a complete list of the parts ordered. The Mag Bag had ordered 106 AR-15 upper receivers including barrels. At about this time, the friend of a local gun dealer told Aguilera that his dealer friend had bragged about selling a "bunch" of AK-47s (semi-auto) to David Koresh. One month into the investigation, and there was still no sign of illegal activity. Just the same, the investigation pressed on. Agent Aguilera soon discovered that the Mag Bag had received a shipment of black powder. This was considered by Aguilera to be an explosive that constituted evidence that someone at Mt. Carmel was constructing bombs or live hand grenades. However, black powder is sold in sporting goods stores across the U.S. for use in ammunition reloading, and it was for that purpose that the black powder was purchased. In any case, black powder is a poor explosive because it has a slow burn time. The ATF also discovered that there was a lathe and a milling machine located in Mt. Carmel. It was believed that these common metal working tools constituted evidence that machine guns were being manufactured! A lathe would have the capability to produce a gun barrel, although it would not be able to rifle it, and a milling machine could produce a variety of parts from rough metal castings. However, it would be extremely difficult to build a working gun of any kind with these two tools, not to mention a safe one. Since most machine guns include large stamped parts, including the receivers, and Mt. Carmel did not boast one of these large, expensive, stamping machines, they would have been unable to build the machine guns Agent Aguilera so often mentioned. The machines could have been used to produce flash
[CTRL] What really is NLP?
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Wayne Skews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 12:38 AM To: Ncnculture-L (E-mail) Subject: RE: Aphorism 210 and mental symptoms " in all cases of disease ...the state of the patient's disposition is to be particularly noted ." . In 211 he states, "... the state of the DISPOSITION of the patient often chiefly determines", sounds like NLP ..and if you can change your dispostion (state) then it must affect or change a whole bunch of other things. Wayne By the way, does anybody knows what really NLP is? Is it just another kind of mental control? Or is it more spiritual and truly healing? Thanks, Gustavo. _ Do You Yahoo!? Obtenga su dirección de correo-e gratis @yahoo.com en http://correo.espanol.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FDA Dental Plaque Subcommittee meeting on... SLS and Triclosan ?!
-Caveat Lector- "FDA regets it was unable to publish this notice 15 days prior to this meeting of the "Dental Plaque Subcommittee of the Nonprescription Drugs Advisory Committee" "Agenda" "review the ingredients TRICLOSAN" (agent orange derivative) "sodium lauryl sulfate" source: Federal Register / Vol. 63, No. 225 / Monday, November 23, 1998 / NOTICES 64723 http://www.fda.gov/cder/fdama/fedreg/pcnoa.pdf text excerpt: http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/98fr/112398d.txt Dare one speculate on the purview of the "Dental Placque" subcommittee over SLS and TRICLOSAN?! Brings immediately to mind the massive 50 year disinformation program on FLUORIDATION, doesn't it? It appears that TRICLOSAN and SLS are being used in toothpaste. SLS is present in nearly EVERY non-"health food store-type" Shampoo. TRICLOSAN is present in the vast majority of soaps marketed as "antibacterial" - also in dishwashing products. EPA claims that SLS is present in "fruit juices." Sodium Lauryl Sulfate (SLS) and Sodium Laureth Sulfate (SLES): Used as detergents and surfactants, these closely related compounds are found in car wash soaps, garage floor cleaners and engine degreasers, yet are even more widely used as major ingredients in cosmetics, toothpaste, hair conditioners, and about 90% of all shampoos and products that foam. According to Dr. Keith Green, Ph.D., D.Sc., of the Medical College of Georgia, SLS denatures proteins of the eye tissues, impairing development permanently. Because it is absorbed through the skin, it does not have to enter the eye directly. Moreover, The Journal of the American College of Toxicology states: Sodium Lauryle Sulfate (SLS) impairs proper structural formation of young eyes and causes permanent eye damage. SLS causes eye irritation, is linked to cataracts, and delays healing of corneal tissue. Other research has indicated SLS may be damaging to the immune system, especially within the skin. "Skin layers may separate and inflame due to its protein-denaturing properties." One of the most dangerous of all ingredients in personal care products, research shows that "SLS when combined with other chemicals can be transformed into nitrosamines, a potent class of carcinogens that cause the body to absorb nitrates at higher levels than eating nitrate-contaminated food." According to the American College of Toxicology report, SLS stays in the body for up to five days. Other studies show that SLS easily penetrates the skin and enters and maintains residual levels in the heart, liver, the lungs, and the brain. Triclosan: The latest rage in the arsenal of antibacterial chemicals, included in detergents, dish washing liquids, soaps, deodorants, cosmetics, lotions, creams, and even toothpaste. The EPA registers triclosan as a pesticide, giving it high scores as a risk to both human health and the environment, and the USP recently proposed a new monograph for its specific testing. Triclosan is a chlorinated aromatic, similar in molecular structure and chemical formulation to some of the most toxic chemicals on earth: dioxins, PCBs and Agent Orange. Its manufacturing process may produce dioxin, a powerful hormone-disrupting chemical with toxic effects in the parts per trillion: one drop in 300 Olympic-size swimming pools! Hormone disrupters pose enormous long-term chronic health risks because they interfere with the way hormones perform. Triclosan is a chlorophenol, a class of chemicals suspected of causing cancer in humans. Externally, it causes skin irritations, but since "...phenol can temporarily deactivate the sensory nerve endings...contact with it often causes little or no pain." Internally, it can lead to cold sweats, circulatory collapse, convulsions, coma, and death. Stored in body fat, it can accumulate to toxic levels, damaging the liver, kidneys and lungs, and can cause paralysis, sterillty, suppresssion of immune function, brain hemorrhages, decreased fertility and sexuall function, heart problems, and coma. Boston-based microbiologist Laura McMurray and colleagues at the Tufts University School of Medicine say that "triclosan is capable of forcing the emergence of 'superbugs' that it cannot kill. And experiments have shown that it may not be the all-out germ killer scientists once thought it was...Using triclosan daily in the home -- in products ranging from children's soaps to toothpaste to 'germ-free' cutting boards -- may be unwise." http://www.healthybiz2000.com/skin_care.htm "Since there are many compounds in the toothpastes, it is often not clear, which product causes which adverse reaction. Almost any compound may provoke an adverse reaction in the oral cavity or on perioral surrounding. Most of the described reactions are presented in case reports, only a few controlled studies are reported. Screeing the literature (to the seventeenies) shows the following toxic/allergic reactions: oral desquamation (erythema, sloughing, mucosal ulceration), cheilitis,
