Re: [CTRL] Living in corporate America.
At 07:56 PM 1/18/99 -0600, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- Barb Witt wrote: Two pertinent articles (The Global Hand and Technology Hoax), from the April 21, 1997 edition of Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/forbes/97/0421/5908085a.htm Barb Yeah right Barb. Forbes Magazine. The Capitaist tool. That's a good source for pointing out the disasters of the global econmy. Joshua2 However, if you're going to critique something, it is commonly expected that you at least peruse the material and then mention specifics Barb === This is from the posted site: Capital emigrated, too. British money, instead of staying at home, built railroads in the U.S. and Argentina, tea gardens in India, and literally created Hong Kong and Calcutta. In a single year, 1871, London absorbed over $100 million of American securities; by 1893 foreigners had sent $3 billion to the U.S. National boundaries did not disappear; bloody wars were yet to be fought over them. But for the first time in history people, money and goods were able to flow across them quite freely. It was as if a giant global handkind of like Adam Smith's invisible hand gone internationalrearranged the world economy. As Jeffrey Williamson, an economics professor at Harvard, says of this period, 1860-1913: Capital and labor flowed across national boundaries in unprecedented quantity, and commodity trade boomed. The results, in terms of global well-being, were fabulous. Railroad and steamship technology had made transportation much cheaper == My question is where did the foreign capital come from? Who were the investors who bought the railroad stocks and bonds in America? What were their expectations concerning interest and dividends? What happened when the bonds defaulted? I submit much of the capital came from illegal trade--piracy, vice, slavery and opium. That's who founded Forbes. The Forbes, Perkins and Russell families founded Skull and Bones at Yale primarily, IMHO, to keep their trade secrets and to recruit people to carry on the operations throughout the world who would take an oath of secrecy. That's why I tend to discount much of what Forbes magazine publishes. Linda Linda, you give your reasons for questioning the character of Forbes, Perkins and Russell families (ironic, aren't you the Clinton supporter), but I question the relevancy. I wonder: (1) How is the historical origin of Forbes money relevant to whether or not the assertions of the authors of the subject articles is true?; (2) Do you disagree with the premises stated by the authors?; (3) If so, which ones, and why?; (4) What is inherently evil about *trade secrets*?; (5) What person who took an oath of secrecy spilled the beans to you? Barb
Re: [CTRL] Slave Documentation - H.H.
-Caveat Lector- At 08:13 PM 1/17/99 -0800, Chris wrote: -Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: I understand, some persons are simply unable to bear the discomfort that can result from exposure to the ideas of others, and are especially confounded when those ideas directly challenge their own world view. It is probably better that you filter, rather than overextend. Barb maybe you and squawk ought to start your own list, then you could expose each other to the truth and logic of your ideas. and you would not be lonely because you would have each other. grinnin' dis time, chris Chris, you know I'd never leave without you!! Besides, you need truth and logic and who would worry about your meds?? Barb DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] PJ lied under oath?
-Caveat Lector- At 10:02 PM 1/17/99 -0500, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/17/99 10:03:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We believe in 'such conspiracies', but we also know that Klinton has absolutely NO self-control, and is the sole cause of his own loss of 'credibility and reputation'. We also know that when it comes to assassination, Klinton is the master of the game. Ah June, you have so much insider knowlege. Prudy Consider rephrasing that to: Ah June, you have so much common knowledge. (Oh, and you might consider adding a meeeowww, just to get the tone right). Barb DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Living in corporate America.
-Caveat Lector- At 09:34 PM 1/16/99 -0800, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- "M.A. Johnson" wrote: -Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would estimate that of over 50% of all consumer manufactured goods are coming from Communist China. Why? Well, because the capitalist built their latest and best manufacturing plants there? Why? Cheap Labour. Huge Market. MJ: How long has labor been cheap abroad? Why is it only in recent years we have had a (purported) mass exodus? Could it be the regulatory load which has escalated over the past recent years? Regard$, --MJ What do you mean " purported?" Where is America's manufacturing base? Did it disappear down a rabbit hole? There's nothing purported about American corporations leaving in droves. This is bullshit on your part and you know it. You take a foolish position, you have to defend it by flinging bovine droppings and red herrings. American companies had been buying their way out of regulations more and more in the years before leaving these shores for foreign labor. As a matter of fact, they got tax breaks for doing it. This could only happen because they got more complete control of Congress. American corporations are owned by the Rich and their managerial sub- class. These two groups have a long history of theft, violence, crime, and treason against the citizens, workers, and country of the USA. Only a twisted Libertarian would blame regulations as the reason for industrial flight. Everyone with any sense at all knows it's for profit. Workers and nation be damned. Joshua2 The policy of the American government is to leave their citizens free, neither restraining nor aiding them in their pursuits. -- Thomas Jefferson to M. L'Hommande, 1787. Two pertinent articles (The Global Hand and Technology Hoax), from the April 21, 1997 edition of Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/forbes/97/0421/5908085a.htm Barb DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] PJ lied under oath?
-Caveat Lector- Linda: I am interested and appreciate your posts on the subject from various sources. Barb At 09:59 AM 1/17/99 -0600, Linda Minor wrote: -Caveat Lector- Barb Witt wrote: Since you seem very convinced, and recite your story as if factual, it would be helpful to me if you could provide at least one or two specific details, eg, who are the members of this cabal, how do they choose their victims, are they all the victims of this group "important political figures," what is the agenda of this group, etc. Sorry, it just seems improbable to me that it would take a well-orchestrated cabal, major planning, and an entire caste of characters flawlessly executing pre-planned movements to get Clinton to drop his pants, or lie, etc. + Barb, If you're truly interested in learning how this cabal operates, try reading the following article. It may interest you to know that Theodore Olson is married to the Barbara Olson who has been appearing on the talk-show circuit, especially Larry King Live. Linda == from: http://www.larouchepub.com/olson_starr_salon.html This article appeared in the March 13, 1998 issue of Executive Intelligence Review. Secret Operation vs. Clinton Is Run by Olson-Starr Salon by Edward Spannaus Dramatic new information developed by EIR on the role of Washington lawyer Theodore B. Olson as the power behind independent counsel Kenneth Starr, suggests that President Clinton is the target of an illegal, rogue intelligence operation being carried out under the putative authority of the 1981 Presidential Executive Order 12333. There are close parallels between the operation being run against Clinton, and that carried out against Lyndon LaRouche by some of the same circles, in the 1980s. The railroad against LaRouche was conducted as a covert foreign intelligence operation under the provisions of E.O. 12333--which permitted the "privatization" of intelligence operations. Key to the ensuing prosecution and judicial frame-up of LaRouche was a "softening up" process of defamation conducted through news media assets of George Bush's "secret government." This propaganda campaign was coordinated through a series of secret "Get LaRouche" meetings at the New York apartment of Wall Street spook/financier John Train--in what has become known as the "Train salon"--which included representatives of government intelligence and law enforcement agencies, plus news media representatives, including the Wall Street Journal. The "Train salon" was a project of the "Public Diplomacy" effort run out of the National Security Council, under the direction of George Bush's national security adviser Donald Gregg, and Gregg's associate, longtime CIA propaganda specialist Walter Raymond. According to evidence obtained by the Congressional committees investigating Iran-Contra, the initial financing for the Public Diplomacy program came from two intelligence-linked sources: Richard Mellon Scaife's foundations, and the Smith-Richardson Foundation. As we shall see, the same sort of "public-private" operation is now being conducted against President Clinton, by circles around Theodore Olson. In the LaRouche case, the "foreign counterintelligence" hook for the investigation was the allegation--circulated by Henry Kissinger and circles in the FBI--that LaRouche was a Soviet agent of influence, or a Soviet disinformation agent. It is likely that, in the case of Clinton, the pretext is the charge, circulating widely among circles within the FBI and private right-wing networks, that Clinton is guilty of treason for allowing secret intelligence to flow to China, in exchange for campaign contributions. The Olson salon The "Get Clinton" salon meets regularly at the home of former Justice Department official Olson, a longtime close friend and associate of Kenneth Starr, and of Olson's wife Barbara, chief counsel for Rep. Dan Burton's House Government Reform and Oversight Committee. Burton's committee has been noisily conducting investigations of the "Chinagate" allegations around Democratic Party campaign fundraising, and of other alleged Clinton administration transgressions. The gatherings include: Whitewater prosecutor Kenneth Starr, Federal appeals court judge Laurence Silberman, former judge Robert Bork, Supreme Court associate justice Clarence Thomas, Wall Street Journal editor Robert Bartley, American Spectator editor Emmett Tyrrell, and many others. A glimpse into the Olson salon can be found in the July 1997 Esquire magazine, in an article by David Brock, titled "Confessions of a Right-Wing Hit Man." Brock was the author of the Scaife-financed "Troopergate" article in the January 1994 American Spectator--on whose board Ted Olson sits. Brock described how he had been a guest at the wedding of Ted and Barbara Olson in the summer of 1996, where "t
Re: [CTRL] Why Can't Cameras Show Senators?
-Caveat Lector- At 09:59 PM 1/17/99 -0500, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/17/99 9:46:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: clear.) What is the judicial logic that disallows camera views of the assembled senators? I think they got stung when the Republicans in the House obviously were having such a high old time beating up on the president, so while the Senate Republicans are probably grinning, poking each other, and having a few downright belly laughs, the camera can't show it. This way when they tell us they consider this kangaroo court a serious, painful precedure, we can't tell by looking what a good time they are really having. Prudy I stand in awe of the way you weave every subject imaginable into the pattern of your never ending story. Are you capable of writing about ANY theme without reducing it to bad Republicans and saintly Democrats? If so, please have mercy on us all. Barb DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] MICROSOFT AND THE BAVARIAN ILLUMINATI
-Caveat Lector- One thing has always puzzled me and I respectfully request the experienced conspiracy researchers on this list to explain how the movements, actions and membership of *supersecret* organizations seems to be common knowledge?? One post even talked about a meeting surrounded with armed guards to ensure privacy, and then proceeded to set forth the meeting attendees and agenda. I would sincerely appreciate clarification, or if you know whether something is in the archives already. Also, organizations touting great secrecy and knowledge to which only a few are privy advertising in the back of magazines and all over the Internet? Seems contradictory and certainly not very secret. Thanks, Barb At 02:21 PM 1/15/99 -0800, SW wrote: -Caveat Lector- Please send as far and wide as possible. Thanks, Robert Sterling Editor, The Konformist http://www.konformist.com http://www.konformist.com/1999/ms33.htm MICROSOFT AND THE BAVARIAN ILLUMINATI "The chessboard is the world, the pieces are the phenomena of the universe, the rules of the game are the laws of nature. The player on the other side is hidden from us." -- Thomas Henry Huxley "In every grain of wheat there lies hidden the soul of a star." -- Arthur Machen "The Old Ones were, the Old Ones are and the Old Ones will be... not in the spaces we know of, but _between_ them ... Yog-Sothoth is the Gate." -- Abd al-Hazred, _Al Azif_ "All perception is inferential; all inference uncertain; all theory, a combination of perception and inference, is therefore educated guessing." -- de Selby, _Golden Hours_, I, 93 These days most people have heard of Microsoft Corporation, and its founder Bill Gates. The majority of computers in use today use Microsoft system software, and those that do not often run applications from Microsoft. However, few people know the true story behind the rise of Microsoft and even fewer suspect the terrible cosmic secrets that are concealed beneath the facade of a successful software company. In the Object Linking and Embedding 2.0 Programmer's Reference there is a very curious term. On page 78, the second paragraph starts with the sentence, "In the aggregation model, this internal communication is achieved through coordination with a special instance of IUnknown interface known as the controlling unknown of the aggregate." The term "controlling unknown" is a very interesting choice of words. It is not the most intuitively obvious term for what it is describing (a base class used for implementing an object-oriented data exchange/embedding system). A term strikingly similar to "controlling unknown" was the term "unknown superiors", used by many occult secret societies. These included the Strict Observance Masonic lodge, whose members were sometimes referred to as "illuminati", and which had some connection with Adam Weishaupt's order. "Unknown superiors" is a term that refers to non-corporeal or superhuman agencies in command of secret societies or mystery cults. Such an agency is frequently known as the "inner head" of an order of organisation, as opposed to the outer head, who is human. Organisations that claimed or were claimed to be commanded by such "unknown superiors" include the Ordo Templi Orientis of Aleister Crowley and the Knights Templar, whose Inner Head was apparently a being named Baphomet. Apart from the term "controlling unknown", another hint at the secrets behind Microsoft is the fact that Microsoft Windows has a limit of five window device contexts. Five is a decidedly odd number for such an application, being neither a power of two nor one less than a power of two, but let us not forget Adam Weishaupt's discovery of the Law of Fives in the Necronomicon*. Few people for sure how many buildings there are in the Microsoft campus in Redmond, WA. No maps of the entire facility are known to exist. Some Microsoft employees put the estimate at six or three. An article in an Australian newspaper has claimed that there are 22 buildings. That is partly true; however, there is another building, hidden from the public and even from most Microsoft employees. The twenty-third building, or Building 7, is pentagonal in shape; its exact location is known only to five people (of whom Bill Gates may be one), however it is believed that the building is accessible from elsewhere in the Microsoft campus by a secret passage. What is in the five sided building is not known. However, it is believed that the contents of Building 7 are of a supernatural nature. Apart from the Pentagon, there was a similar five-sided building in Nazi Germany. This has been carefully kept hidden from the public. One hypothesis is that Building 7 is inhabited by, or used to communicate with, the Inner Head, or "controlling unknown". The identity of the Outer Head is unknown. Bill Gates may be the Outer Head, a high initiate of the conspiracy or just a figurehead whose purpose it
Re: [CTRL] PJ lied under oath?
-Caveat Lector- At 12:17 PM 1/15/99 -0600, Linda Minor wrote: -Caveat Lector- Carlene M. Wojahn wrote: Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Isn't the only thing Clinton admitted to lying about the fact that he had sex with Monica Lewinsky? Ahhh...but he hasn't admitted that..you see they didn't have sexual relations...he wasn't having any with her, she was having relations with him. +++ The point so many people seem to be missing is that this whole scandal started with a lawsuit brought by a woman whose credibility is severely in question, at a time when the law was not even clear whether a civil lawsuit could be brought against a sitting president. The law was clear to everyone, especially Clinton and his counsel. ---Snip- Suppose for a moment that she lied about what happened. Suppose also that the lawyers were acting on behalf of politically motivated individuals who hate Clinton for political reasons only--because his policies hurt their pocketbooks, for example. Lawyers taking a matter to trial on behalf of politically motivated plaintiff(s) - now that's something that you don't see every single day on every docket in the country!! Suppose these same people knew Monica's proclivities and Bill's weakness and set up a scenario for him to fall into, while at the same time pushing the Jones case through the court so that depositions could be taken. Then they monitored Monica's reports through agents Tripp and Goldberg, making sure any available evidence (like the dress) is preserved. I believe this scenario--given the connections between Ted and Barbara Olson, Kenneth Starr, the Rutherford Foundation and Richard Mellon Scaife--is much more credible than the "common sense" allegations Starr presented to Congress, without any real evidence, such as any small-town prosecutor in Texas would have to have in order to convict anybody for anything. If the real evidence he had, and the way he got it were revealed, and were subject to cross-examination in a real court, the judge would dismiss the case without presenting it to the jury. Linda Assuming, arguendo, that your imaginary scenario is true, it proves nothing other than Clinton is lacking in self-control and easily manipulated. The rest is entertaining, but clearly irrelevant. Barb DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] PJ lied under oath?
-Caveat Lector- At 06:02 PM 1/16/99 -0600, LM wrote: -Caveat Lector- Assuming, arguendo, that your imaginary scenario is true, it proves nothing other than Clinton is lacking in self-control and easily manipulated. The rest is entertaining, but clearly irrelevant. Barb On the contrary. It indicates a well-orchestrated cabal planned a coup d'etat. The people who planned it are of the same ilk as those who killed John and Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King. But they found they can only murder so many important political figures without making people suspicious. (Who would have ever thought 35 years later people like some of us on this list are still determined to find out who did it.) So the next best option is to destroy the credibility and reputation of the individual. If you don't believe such conspiracies exist, why do you subscribe to this list? Linda Are you saying that one must believe ANYTHING in order to subscribe to this list? Come up with proof, or even a set a facts from which a reasonable person would conclude your story is plausible, otherwise it's just that - a story. Since you seem very convinced, and recite your story as if factual, it would be helpful to me if you could provide at least one or two specific details, eg, who are the members of this cabal, how do they choose their victims, are they all the victims of this group "important political figures," what is the agenda of this group, etc. Sorry, it just seems improbable to me that it would take a well-orchestrated cabal, major planning, and an entire caste of characters flawlessly executing pre-planned movements to get Clinton to drop his pants, or lie, etc. Barb DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FIGHTING NORWAY'S NAMING LAW
-Caveat Lector- --Caveat Lector- Fred is a credible and knowledgeable person. Does anyone have additional info about the Norway Naming Law? Barb From: Fred Battey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FIGHTING NORWAY'S NAMING LAW : : : We still have relative freedom, although we are seeing our freedoms rapidly decreased as government tries to regulate and control every aspect of our lives. Below is a good example of what happens when government becomes thus involved. This is only one example of hundreds if not thousands of what has happened in other nations who have caved under the pressures of socialist and dictatorial government control. The battle we are involved in is not a sideline effort, and not just restricted to the education arena. Education just happens to be one, although a major, arena in the push for total societal, economic and financial control of our nation. Can the below happen in our country? You betcha! Can we be required to carry official ID on our persons at all times as is required in most European countries? You betcha! Can we be required to use only designated healthcare as is the case in many countries? You betcha! Can we be monitored on the care of our children and required to enter them into "approved" facilities from pre-birth, through pre-school, through total education? You betcha! And please understand I am not talking about 5 years from now, but much sooner unless there is a major change in our course. To believe otherwise is playing directly into the hands of the those who are the driving force behind the movement. Fred _ FIGHTING NORWAY'S NAMING LAW The Name Game World Magazine, Jan. 9, 1999 Kirsti Larsen was thrown in a Norwegian jail because she gave her son a first name that was not on the government's list of acceptable choices. She named him Gesher, which means "bridge" In Hebrew. This violates Norway's strict laws regulating names, which include lists of acceptable first and last names. When Mrs. Larsen tried to register her son's name as Gesher at her local county office back in 1995, it was rejected as Illegal. She appealed repeatedly but was ordered to change the name, pay a $210 fine, or spend two days in jail. Mrs. Larsen refused to change the name of her boy, who is now four. So she went to prison for two days, leaving her husband and 10 children at home. But since little Gesher is still named Gesher, no one knows how this dispute will be settled. "Many probably would have bowed to 'Big Brother' and paid the fine. On principle, I couldn't go along with such absurdity," Mrs. Larsen told the Vordens Gang newspaper. "Maybe the authorities thought I would come running with the money when they ordered me to serve my sentence just before Christmas, but I didn't let them scare me." DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Reno finds no wrongdoing by Gore aide
-Caveat Lector- Yes, and we're all terribly surprised at Ms. Reno's findings. Who would have guessed??? Barb At 12:37 PM 1/15/99 -0600, LM wrote: -Caveat Lector- [01/14] Reno finds no wrongdoing by former top Gore aide WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Attorney General Janet Reno said Thursday that no further investigation was required of criminal allegations involving Peter Knight, a former top aide to Vice President Al Gore. Refusing to move toward an independent counsel probe, Reno ended a 30-day review into whether Knight, who managed the 1996 Clinton-Gore campaign, helped another Gore friend get favorable terms on a government lease and lied about it. The allegations involving Knight, who is expected to play a key role in Gore's 2000 presidential bid, were sent to the Justice Department by a congressional committee last month. Reno said in a statement that she concluded that she does not possess ``specific and credible information'' that Knight, who is covered by the independent counsel law, ``may have violated federal criminal law.'' She said there was ``no basis'' to begin a preliminary investigation into the allegations. The House Commerce Committee alleged that Knight helped Tennessee businessman and real estate developer Franklin Haney get the favorable terms on the lease and that in return Haney contributed $280,000 to the Democrats. The committee also alleged that Knight, a former chief of staff to Gore, lied to it about a $1 million fee Haney paid him. Reno twice late last year refused to seek an independent counsel to investigate Gore on campaign-related questions. In December, Reno decided against an independent counsel to investigate President Clinton and Gore over political ads financed by the Democratic Party during the 1996 election. In late November, Reno decided not to seek an independent counsel to investigate whether Gore lied to FBI agents about telephone fund-raising calls from his office during the 1996 presidential election campaign. Haney faces charges brought by a Justice Department task force investigating campaign finance abuses that he made nearly $80,000 in illegal contributions to Clinton's reelection effort and to two other candidates from Tennessee. The House Commerce Committee investigated financial and political ties between Haney and top Democratic officials, including Knight, over the lease of the Portals building in Washington, D.C. It is scheduled to become the Federal Communications Commission's new headquarters. The panel questioned whether $1 million payments to Knight and former Tennessee senator Jim Sasser were illegal contingency fees and whether they used their political influence to gain a government lease. Last Updated: 01/14/99 19:28 EST Copyright 1998 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication and redistribution of Reuters content is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters. Reuters shall not be liable for any errors or delays in the content, or for any actions taken in reliance thereon. http://legalnews.findlaw.com/news/19990114/ DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html
Re: [CTRL] Striped Sleeves Mean Impeachment Is Military?
-Caveat Lector- Rehnquist's stripes are old news - he added them long before this impeachment business even began. Barb At 02:57 PM 1/15/99 -0600, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- STRIPED SLEEVES MEAN IMPEACHMENT IS MILITARY? = (CNNS, 01/15/99) -- Those are not just striped sleeves Chief Judge William Rehnquist is wearing as he presides over the impeachment trial of Bill Clinton. Those are GOLD-striped sleeves. An article in the New York Times (Electronic Edition) dated Jan. 15, 1999, describes Judge Rehnquist specifically as "resplendent in his black gown with four gold stripes on each sleeve." A commentary in the New York Post, by Steve Dunleavy, also sees gold, but Dunleavy describes "three gold stripes on his robe." ["We Could Witness A Total Travesty If Republicans Fold," by Steve Dunleavy. NYPost, 1/15/99] There is disagreement between the NYTimes and NYPost as to whether there are 3 or 4 stripes, but both agree that those are gold stripes Judge Rehnquist is wearing. Why the sudden new fashion in judicial wear?Rehnquist reportedly says he copied the gold-striped style "after seeing a Gilbert and Sullivan operetta." [Dunleavy. Op. cit.] Is Judge Rehnquist's explanation believable? That a scholarly jurist, the Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, approaches the somber and serious business of presiding over the impeachment trial of a U.S. President with such a flippant attitude? One of the most serious proceedings, if not THE most serious proceeding, over which Rehnquist is ever to preside, and he is so humorous, light-hearted and cavalier that he copies his style of robe from a Gilbert Sullivan operetta? CNNS does not believe Rehnquist's explanation as to why he is suddenly wearing gold-stripes on his judicial robe. And since Rehnquist's Gilbert Sullivan story is implausible and therefore a cover story, and hides whatever the REAL reason is for the sudden change in judicial wardrobe, then what is it that Rehnquist's cover story is meant to hide? -+- A Rosetta Stone -+- Rehnquist's gold stripes are a Rosetta Stone, unlocking many mysteries. If Rehnquist is wearing 4 gold stripes on each sleeve, then according to "Ru Mills" (pseudonym) those 4 gold stripes are equivalent to the rank of Full Admiral in the U.S. Navy. A researcher has published to a conspiracy research mailing list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) what he has uncovered as to the possible significance of Rehnquist's gold striped-sleeves. He writes, in part, that There has been some discussion among law researchers that indicates that the gold fringe on the US flag indicates martial law rule. If you recall the old westerns when the US cavalry showed up they all had gold braids on the trumpet, flag, and on the shoulders. We know for certain that they were under martial law, for the federal government was governing the territories directly previous to them entering as states. -+- The Military Connection -+- In Edward Gibbon's great book, "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire," the author repeatedly describes how, with the accession of each new Roman Emperor, a pre-requisite was, often, approval by the military. Following the death of Constantine, for example, "a loud and unanimous declaration was procured from the troops that they would suffer none except the sons of their lamented monarch to reign over the Roman empire." Military support was crucial; without it, the Caesars could not rule. As the Roman Empire decayed over the centuries, military support became increasingly necessary and support from the Roman senate was no longer very important. Over several years, Sherman Skolnick, chairman of the Chicago-based public interest research group, Citizens' Committee To Clean Up The Courts, has reported on attempts by U.S. military brass to arrest their Commander-in-Chief, Bill Clinton, under provisions of the U.S. Military Code of Justice.Does Rehnquist's gold striped-sleeve robe suggest that something like a military arrest or military trial has occurred or is occurring? Or is the new-style judicial robe merely a symbolic message from the military, warning Clinton of their power? Contacted by CNNS, Mr. Skolnick further noted that the striped-sleeve style of judicial robe was *de rigueur* in Nazi Germany. -+- The Intelligence Connection -+- Heading the team of prosecutors conducting the impeachment trial is Congressman Henry Hyde. Mr. Skolnick has repeatedly reported that Hyde oversees the CIA "Black Budget," highly-classified accounts of how CIA spends its money. Hyde also, according to Skolnick, is a retired Naval Reserve Commander. So with Chief Prosecutor Hyde, we have another murky figure
Re: [CTRL] Striped Sleeves Mean Impeachment Is Military?
-Caveat Lector- At 07:23 PM 1/15/99 -0500, Brian Redman wrote: -Caveat Lector- -Caveat Lector- Rehnquist's stripes are old news - he added them long before this impeachment business even began. Barb Is there some way you can verify that? You may, for all I know, be correct, but it would help me a lot if you could provide some source for what you say. Thank you. Brian Redman Editor, CNNS Sure, Rehnquist's imperial robes initially caused a stir when he showed up in his stripes at Clinton's1995 State of the Union Address, which was televised. There is also a Time article in the 2/6/95 issue which references Rehnquist's getup. Barb DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Larry Flynt on C-SPAN tonight.
-Caveat Lector- At 07:52 AM 1/13/99 -0500, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/12/99 5:18:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sorry to hear that he wasn't given air time. Mustn't upset the right-wing freaks by exposing their hypocrisy. On the local TV news, it was stated that Bob "family values" Barr was accused with shacking up with his third wife while he was still married to his second wife. There was also some he said/she said regarding the abortion. Regarding another self righteous but unnamed Republican, it was said that he routinely visited the brothels along the Mexican border. One hopes he doesn't have too many STDs. Let's hope, the elites are not able to continue the news block. If I'm remembering correctly, Libby Dole's marriage to Bob was also pressaged by similar behavior. No one seems to mind if you're a Republican. Pudy Except if you're Bob Packwood. Remember the feminist Senators screaming "apologies are not enough"!!?! Barb DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] CTRL List
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/9/99 2:32:46 PM GMT-5:00 - United States of Ame, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hiya Kris, My vote would be for 2 lists: one for discussion and the second one to post articles. A combined lists would mean way too many posts. IMHO. Hilary I concur with Hilary! Bill I agree with Bill and Hilary(who'd have thought?) Barb DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Truth About Evil
-Caveat Lector- From the Wasington Post, Wednesday, January 6, 1999; Page A25 The Truth About Evil By Michael Kelly Some months ago, I wrote a column in which I expressed revulsion at an affectionate feature in the New York Times about a small band of elderly communists and socialists who do good works among the downtrodden of Los Angeles and, by the way, still revere Marx and Lenin. For this, Sam Tanenhaus, author of an estimable and honest biography of Whittaker Chambers, takes me politely to task in the current New York Review of Books. My finger-pointing, says Tanenhaus, is emblematic of a regrettable "revival of the familiar cold war Manichaeanism, whereby the entire burden of world communism is laid crushingly upon every [Communist Party] member or sympathizer." This is a debate worth having, for it is central to the intellectual and cultural history of this century. It has been, you have to admit, a pretty Manichaean sort of century: good and evil in the form of democracy and totalitarianism duking it out for global domination; concentration camps; gulags; a couple of hundred million dead-that sort of thing. The good was not absolute (we had Joe McCarthy and Roy Cohn on our side, alas), but the evil was pretty close to pure. American liberalism came to terms with one face of the century's evil-that of the Nazis and their allies-immediately, honorably and unequivocally. The fight to destroy the Nazi version of fascism was waged in such unabashedly Manichaean terms that we called it The Good War (we were not being ironic either; only Parisians and a few guys at Oxford knew about irony back then). And organized American political liberalism-that is, the Democratic Party and the labor movement-also came to terms soon enough with the communist version, and firmly rejected it. But the treatment of communist fascism by liberalism's intellectual and cultural establishments-as distinct from its mainstream political bodies-has been profoundly different. The intellectual and cultural elites have never come to terms with communism as an evil on a par with Nazism and, more important, with their role in supporting, or at least tolerating, that evil. This failure, which is one of immense moral dimensions as well as rational, persists. (Witness the 24-part CNN television series on the Cold War, a history massively distorted by the light of moral equivalency that shines in Ted Turner's dim, dim bulb of a mind.) The failure persists and adapts because it is too large to come to terms with. Coming to terms means not merely admitting the fundamental evil of the communist system and its root philosophy (as opposed to admitting the evil of one or another communist tyrant) but also admitting our own sympathetic complicity. It means not merely reassessing the century's political figures but its intellectual and cultural figures too. It means reassessing us. And this is a tremendously painful prospect, because it is a tremendously personal one. There were never many Nazis or Nazi sympathizers in America and very few political, cultural and intellectual figures of note among them. But such is not the case with communism. Twentieth-century political, cultural and intellectual history is thickly peopled with respected and even revered figures-labor leaders, progressive reformers, novelists, playwrights, artists, luminaries of the news and entertainment businesses-who were deeply supportive of a system and philosophy that we now know beyond doubt was every bit as monstrous as the Nazi regime, was morally indistinguishable from the Nazi regime. And on the more intimate level, when we talk about American communists or communist sympathizers, we are talking about family. So when we contemplate admitting the full profundity of communism's evil, we are contemplating a radical reevaluation of everyone who traveled some distance with that evil. We are talking about reevaluating Upton Sinclair and John Steinbeck and Pablo Picasso and Ernest Hemingway and Charlie Chaplin. And we are talking also about reevaluating Uncle Harry and Aunt Edith and Grandpa and maybe even dear old Dad. What further complicates matters is we know that Uncle Harry and Aunt Edith are good people. They sided with the communists because they sincerely believed in the promise of communism to address the wrongs of our own society-its gross class inequities, its racial oppression, the rough cruelties of capitalism. But the fellow travelers were wrong, and in their wrong, they helped to perpetuate a system that caused immense human suffering. To say this is not to gainsay that most Communist Party members and sympathizers were motivated by the desire to make a better world, nor is it to lay the whole burden of communism's crimes on their shoulders. It is simply to say this: At some point it becomes a seriously immoral act to refuse to acknowledge the truth. At some point, you have to ask whether it is morally acceptable to regard those who yet refuse to come
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- At 01:44 PM 1/8/99 -0600, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- Hawk has informed me that he was removed from the list. I would like the listowner to reconsider his or her decision. All of us have been guilty of intemperate remarks from time to time on this list. (myself included.) I'm on the opposite end of the political spectrum from the dread bird, and I didn't find his posts that offensive. I've read some blatantly anti-semitic stuff that was far more offensive, in my opinion, that his posts.. Best wishes, William Hugh, although I often disagree with your views, I respect your scholarship, civility, lack of insecurity, and tolerance. Your ability to engage in a lively exchange without resorting to the arrogant, ill-mannered and unlearned tactics of the core group that is allowed to control this list is refreshing. You are a gentleman. I agree that Hawk should be allowed to stay, as should anyone else who is inclined. It really shouldn't matter if some persons find any number of posts offensive - isn't that "diversity"? Theory is obviously more palatable than the real deal for some persons. Regards, Barb DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hawk
-Caveat Lector- At 01:44 PM 1/8/99 -0600, Hugh wrote: -Caveat Lector- Hawk has informed me that he was removed from the list. I would like the listowner to reconsider his or her decision. All of us have been guilty of intemperate remarks from time to time on this list. (myself included.) I'm on the opposite end of the political spectrum from the dread bird, and I didn't find his posts that offensive. I've read some blatantly anti-semitic stuff that was far more offensive, in my opinion, that his posts.. Best wishes, William Hugh, although I often disagree with your views, I respect your scholarship, civility, lack of insecurity, and tolerance. Your ability to engage in a lively exchange without resorting to the arrogant, ill-mannered and unlearned tactics of the core group that is allowed to control this list is refreshing. You are a gentleman. I agree that Hawk should be allowed to stay, as should anyone else who is inclined. It really shouldn't matter if some persons find any number of posts offensive - isn't that "diversity"? Theory is obviously more palatable than the real deal for some persons. Regards, Barb DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Read this post. It is about senseless and cruel men andhelpless vic
-Caveat Lector- At 01:34 PM 1/5/99 -0800, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Your post is exceedingly and unnecessarily cruel to those persons whose feelings of moral superiority necessitate their bearing a burden of guilt and forever paying penance for the actions of distant ancestors (real or imagined). It is unwise, as well as nonproductive, to interject factual information into a religious conversation. Barb glad to see you back on your medication barb. the putrifaction of your acidic parambulations are almost legible. give my best to the m.h. workers at the home and a hearty "well done". grinnin' chris Must we repeat Lesson VI - Projections/Transferance??? :-) Barb DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Smiley: Criminalizing Homelessness
-Caveat Lector- At 08:50 AM 1/6/99 -0500, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- Smiley: What better scapegoat for society's ills than the defenseless. Of course, that's what Republicans and Libertarians do: they gain their popularity, as fascists always have, by stepping on the ones who cannot defend themselves. By passing the "blame buck" onto the defenseless, they figure they wont have to catch the hell they deserve for being scum! This shit goes on all over the country. Until some homeless person with a little brains (probably a veteran) decides to start organizing a guerilla army. Edward If the above-mentioned veteran possesses the energy and inclination to organize a guerilla army, one wonders why not the wherewithal to obtain shelter? Barb DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] THE NEA'S GRAB-BAG OF ISSUES
-Caveat Lector- At 10:56 AM 1/6/99 -0800, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- Hawk wrote: -Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- What's wrong with adopting a national energy policy? I think it's a sane thing to do, especially since the end of the world's oil supply is looming on the millennial horizon. What a crock! The world is awash with oil! Seems like some folks once said the same thing about the demise of the world's whale-oil supply. Central controls isn't the answer... FREEDOM to get rich by taking big chances is the answer, just as it was then. Hawk Freedom! I knew it all along. The only freedom you are interested in is the freedom to make money any way you can. You are a truly despicable character. Luckily you can be easily dealt with. I am working (with others on a different list) on a plan to establish a cap on wealth accumulation by individuals. The intent is to keep guys like you spinning your wheels without actually becoming dangerous through the accumulation of vast wealth. The one thing that all the manipulators of all modern societies have in common is owning, or working for someone who owns vast wealth. They stand in the way of human progress, health, and happiness. They have been the causes of war and poverty, and slavery all the way back to the dawn of agriculture. The rich elites are greedy, incompetent, and generally stupid when it comes to social management. They can't manage anything well for long without the threat of force. Their economic system is collapsing all around them and new organic systems will grow in their place. Capitalism will be strictly controlled almost everywhere. Free trade is being dismantled as we speak. All this because of guys like you. You were born in the wrong era. Just thought you would like to know. Have a nice day. Joshua2 And in your socialist/communist utopia there will be no elite? Barb DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Read this post. It is about senseless and cruel men andhelpless vic
-Caveat Lector- At 03:15 PM 1/5/99 -0500, Howard Davis wrote: -Caveat Lector- E Mael wrote: it takes a white man to make a wasteland Well, I don't think that is completely accurate, even if perhaps it is true that "white men" are the masters of this ability and could, in fact, turn the whole earth into a waste land. However, I believe that men of other ethnicity have been able to do this (although to a limited extent). For instance, Lebenon was once known for its forests. I understand that has greatly changed. Many other areas of the earth have also been depleted. I believe this was the case in many parts of the "New World" even before the arrival of the "white man". So, I would not wish to appear racist by saying "white men" are the only ones who have been able to demonstrate this ability. best wishes, Howard Davis Your post is exceedingly and unnecessarily cruel to those persons whose feelings of moral superiority necessitate their bearing a burden of guilt and forever paying penance for the actions of distant ancestors (real or imagined). It is unwise, as well as nonproductive, to interject factual information into a religious conversation. Barb DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The impeachment of President Clinton
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Well said, but this Jerry Harp won't understand, neither will Prudy or
the other Clintonites. He could nuke Ohmaha and they would still support
him,
Or perhaps OKC...
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Re: [CTRL] Honour Among ...
-Caveat Lector- At 10:00 PM 12/17/98 +, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- On 17 Dec 98 , Alamaine wrote: -Caveat Lector- From http://www.rollcall.com Livingston Confesses Affairs By Jim VandeHei House Speaker Bob Livingston (R-La.) tonight plans to disclose to the Republican Conference that he has had sexual affairs in his past and will offer to resign his post, according to GOP sources. And I say that before they hold Clinton over the spit, let every single on of those legislators who has had an extramarital affair step downand let's see who's left. I think the scene might look like one of those lottery commercials. You know--the one where everyone races out of the concert hall. sno0wl No intellectually honest person believes that Clinton's plight is simply due to philandering. As has been stated innumerable times, no one, conservative, liberal or in between cares if Clinton engages in extramarital sex an infinite number of times with countless persons. Your attitude regarding Clinton - blind faith, unthinking loyalty, absurd denial in the face of facts admitted by Clinton himself - is quintessential fundamentalist/cult thinking. Does endorsing Clinton's politics and embracing his political vision really require that you defend EVERYTHING he does, no matter how illegal??? As far as Livingston, or any of the other philanderers/crooks in office, they too can screw their brains out, they just cannot lie about it before a trial court and a grand jury. The he did it too! argument is reminiscent of grade school where young children attempt to avoid punishment by deflecting the attention to someone else (i.e., snitching). Or even junior high when everyone does it! is the preferred rationale for base behavior. Barb DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ÝÝÝCTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. o subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Honour Among ...
-Caveat Lector- At 12:13 AM 12/18/98 -0500, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- The private lives of our reps ought to remain as such. Papers like Roll Call and dirt mags like Hustler, both allegedly involved in the Livingston expose, apparently have nothing better to do but go on WH tips and reveal crap no one out here really cares about. Yuck! Tonite, Drudge reports that the WH knew about the Livingston affairs. Three words, folks: 900 FBI files. Does anyone really care whether a guy, who's been married for over 30 years, with a couple kids, strays? Naw, I sure don't. And I would say the same thing if he was a Dem! Now before ya'll jump all over this and say it's a double standard b/c we're after BC for his affairs, hold your horses. Livingston didn't -lie about it to a federal grand jury; obstruct justice b/c of those affair(s); consciously have others lie for him; and so forth. Livingston did none of that. And Livingston ain't the POTUS either. The POTUS is held to a higher standard. Higher than anyone else. And he knows it. We know. And the House knows it. That's why BC ought to be impeached tomorrow. Perfectly stated! Barb Sno0wl wrote: -Caveat Lector- On 17 Dec 98 , Alamaine wrote: -Caveat Lector- From http://www.rollcall.com Livingston Confesses Affairs By Jim VandeHei House Speaker Bob Livingston (R-La.) tonight plans to disclose to the Republican Conference that he has had sexual affairs in his past and will offer to resign his post, according to GOP sources. And I say that before they hold Clinton over the spit, let every single on of those legislators who has had an extramarital affair step downand let's see who's left. I think the scene might look like one of those lottery commercials. You know--the one where everyone races out of the concert hall. sno0wl -snip Regards, -A http://www.erols.com/mack97 "The sharpest tool in the shed." -- anonymous DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Perjury
-Caveat Lector- Are you off your meds again, Chris?? Barb At 04:18 PM 12/17/98 -0800, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Perhaps *you* should take your own advice. i will take my own advice. you seem to be the penultimate narcissist, no one can touch you. it would be adding hominem to suggest that the real red herring is the one in your underpants so i won't, much. you will let me know if you have any more advice for me, won't you? hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha chris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Honour Among ...
-Caveat Lector- At 01:16 PM 12/18/98 -0500, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/18/98 2:55:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As far as Livingston, or any of the other philanderers/crooks in office, they too can screw their brains out, they just cannot lie about it beforea trial court and a grand jury. In any ethics class or discussion, your statement would be an excellent example of narrow legalism taking the place of objective reality. And in any conversation outside academia among persons utilizing common sense, your statement would be an excellent example of pseudo intellectualism, arrogantly hurled to facilitate your attempt to change the subject, ignore the facts and promote a particular ideology.I do appreciate the feedback, it's just so predictable! Try using your "narrow legalism vs. objective reality" outside a classroom, say in a courtroom, and see how far it gets you. Regards, Barb DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] !!! NEWS FLASH !!!
-Caveat Lector- At 01:03 PM 12/17/98 -0500, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/16/98 9:23:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They don't have to strike today, tomorrow or next month. The people have no where go . EXCEPT TO PUT UP A SMOKE SCREEN to cover up for a criminal politician, there is no reason why this must be done today, The UNSCOM report had just come out stating that there is every sign that Saddam is going ahead with his WMD program. In the meantime, Saddam had shut the UNSCOM down so surveillance was no longer taking place. Since Iraq could develop a major capability in just a few months, Clinton had to act fast. Since launching an attack during Ramadan would be awkward, Wednesday was a good choice. I trust you are not like Trent "draft dodger" Lott who complained a short while back that Clinton missed an opportunity to bomb Iraq. Now, of course, he is in a rage over the bombing. Could it be that Lott is so unprincipled that his stance merely depends upon what political wind seems convenient? Incidentally, Lott was full of praise for the racist group that Bob "family values" Barr recently keynoted for. I do agree that innocent people will be injured and killed in addition to their property destroyed and they will be indirectly harmed by destruction of utilities. That is why people like Lugar, Gingrich, and Lott should not be so eager for war as a way to prove their manhood, i.e. show machismo by sending other to die. Strange how on the right, with people like Safire who have been screaming for the US to bomb Iraq, there are now only pacifists. Jerry harp -- Apparently, some persons disagree... Barb Pentagon officials dispute timing The Washington Times 12/17/98 Rowan Scarborough The White House notified the Joint Chiefs of Staff on Sunday that President Clinton would order air strikes this week, 48 hours before he saw a United Nations report declaring Iraq in noncompliance with weapons inspectors, it was learned from authoritative sources last night. Several Pentagon officials have questioned Mr. Clinton's timing to order strikes on the eve of the House impeachment debate. Pentagon sources said National Security Council aides told the Joint Chiefs to quickly update a bombing plan that was shelved in mid-November and were told that a strike would be ordered in a matter of days. Israeli spokesman Aviv Bushinsky said yesterday in Jerusalem that President Clinton discussed preparations for an attack with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu just minutes before Mr. Clinton flew home from Israel's Ben-Gurion Airport on Tuesday, ending a three-day peace mission. White House spokesman Joe Lockhart insisted that Mr. Clinton made the strike decision yesterday based on the U.N. finding of noncompliance. Nevertheless, a senior congressional source, who asked not to be named, said senior Pentagon officers expressed great skepticism to him about the raids. This source said that the White House eagerness to launch air strikes grew with intensity as a parade of centrist Republicans announced they would vote to impeach the president, in a vote originally scheduled for today. "I have had senior flag and general officers question the timing," the congressional source said. "I have had senior military officers laughing. I hate to say that. ... Why now? He hasn't built a coalition. He hasn't done anything. Why this timing?" Reporters and others traveling with the president in the Middle East remarked during last weekend that the president seemed uncharacteristically unconcerned about events unfolding in Washington, and several White House aides expressed puzzlement that the president seemed to have lost his "fighting spirit." Mrs. Clinton was noticeably cool to the president as their visit there continued and drew away from him on several public occasions. The Joint Chiefs were described as strongly supporting yesterday's attack. They wanted to launch missiles in mid-November, after Saddam Hussein evicted inspectors. The president called off the attack just minutes before "H hour" after Saddam promised to cooperate with inspectors. Defense Secretary William S. Cohen yesterday strongly disputed charges the attack is linked to impeachment. "The only factor, from my point of view ... or for anyone else's point of view, was what is the national security interests of the United States," Mr. Cohen said. "We are convinced. We have absolutely no doubt this is the right decision." Mr. Cohen also said war planners preferred not to attack during Ramadan, the monthlong Islamic observance beginning this weekend. This is the second time military officers and experts have questioned whether Mr. Clinton timed U.S. military action to take attention away from the Monica Lewinsky scandal. In August, as Miss Lewinsky finished testimony
Re: [CTRL] Skolnick: Various Dangers To Clinton and Gore
-Caveat Lector- At 05:21 PM 12/17/98 -0500, Harp wrote: -Caveat Lector- This is pure bunk. We are not some banana republic. Maybe you should inform your buddy Clinton. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] The Holocaust]]
-Caveat Lector- At 09:17 PM 12/14/98 -0500, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ignorance and provocation - the similarities of events now and '20s '30s pre WWII is eerie. Om K In a message dated 12/14/98 10:07:27 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, Kris, I think he *does* understand very well. He's trying to bait us, to draw us into the kind of bottomless quagmire the Nazi wannabes and Identity types nearly pulled the list into earlier this year. I think he is fully aware that he's working for the Oligarchy. What he may have forgotten, of course, is that the Oligarchy doesn't give a fart in a windstorm for its servants... Amen. To drive home the similarities between right now and the years just before the rise of Hitler, check out the *Diaries* of Count Harry Kessler, a diplomat/philanthropist/left-of-center activist who documented some amazing insights into the immensely paradoxical everyday life of Germany during that time. As Thomas Jefferson remarked in a slightly different context, "I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just." Bob Anyone read The Ominous Parallels by Peikoff? Barb = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Lawyers Unconstitutional Control of the Nation
-Caveat Lector- At 11:41 PM 12/11/98 -0600, Linda Minor wrote: -Caveat Lector- ---snip --- There was a time when a person could learn the law simply by working as an apprentice to a practicing attorney to find out how to research judicial precedents and making a cogent argument before a judge and jury about equity and fairness, coupled with legal consistency. Not so any more. Washington State has an apprenticeship program and I believe there are at least one or two other states which provide alternatives routes to the bar. Barb DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: [FAIR-L] ACTION ALERT: ABC Airs Abu-Jamal Segment
-Caveat Lector- After reading material from one side of an issue, how can either one of you comment on a program that you apparently didn't watch, and a case about which you state you are unfamiliar Just curious. Barb At 04:05 AM 12/12/98 -0600, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- Gee ... I don't know ... sounds like the good old days, back in the USSR, when the news got broadcast once flavoured and spiced by the government or by those who knew which issues should be presented and how ... AER The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust -- : From: Gerald Harp [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: [FAIR-L] ACTION ALERT: ABC Airs Abu-Jamal Segment : Date: Friday, December 11, 1998 2:31 PM : : -Caveat Lector- : : In a message dated 12/11/98 11:29:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, : [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : : : : FAIR ACTION ALERT: ABC Airs Abu-Jamal Segment; : : Sam Donaldson calls for inmate's execution, calls supporters ignorant : : : : I am not familiar with the details of the referenced criminal case but i : wonder what has happened to the news media. I live in the suburbs of : Monicaland and it is now quite common on our local all news radio station to : listen to station reporters earnestly interviewing Sam and Cokie for their : views on just about everything - Clinton's love life, why the SOB deserves : impeachment, OJ, the economy, whatever. Don't Sam and Cokie know that they : are supposed to pretend to a certain hauteur that lifts them above mixing : editorializing with "reporting" the news? : : Jerry Harp : : DECLARATION DISCLAIMER : == : CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic : screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters : and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright : frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects : spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL : gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; : be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and : nazi's need not apply. : : Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. : : : To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: : SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: : SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
