Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Fri.1 - y2k in progress

1999-12-31 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- If wishes were fishes, we'd all be up to our asses in seafood... > -Original Message- > From: Ric Carter [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, December 31, 1999 4:42 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Fri.1 - y2k in progress > "

Re: [CTRL] To all you chicken littles and wolf criers (RE: By the timethat you read this)

1999-12-31 Thread Tatman, Robert
ers (RE: > By thetimethat you read this) > > -Caveat Lector- > > Mr. Tatman, If you wish to 'crash' the phone system, then place a call > to a friend between 12:01AM thru 12:15AM. > lol > Bard > > "Tatman, Robert" wrote: > > > &g

Re: [CTRL] Post Millenial Bonkers.

1999-12-31 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- If you can find the books, see also Edward Whittemore's "Jerusalem Quartet": *Jerusalem Poker*, *Sinai Tapestry*, *Jericho Mosaic*, *Quin's Shanghai Circus*. == The Philadelphia Inquirer, December 31, 1999 http://www.phillynews.com/inquirer

Re: [CTRL] To all you chicken littles and wolf criers (RE: By the time that you read this)

1999-12-31 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- I'm waiting for everyone in Europe and North America to log on at 12:01 AM (local) January 1, to see whether the Internet is experiencing any problems, thereby causing the whole global network to crash... Did someone mention "self-fulfilling prophecy?" > -Original Message---

Re: [CTRL] JESUS WAS JEWISH ?

1999-12-31 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- FWIW, in Robert Graves's *King Jesus*, Mary Magdalene is portrayed as the high priestess of Astarte/Asherah, who attempts to "educate" Jesus about the reality behind the myths he has been taught. I'm not saying that Graves's depiction is necessarily accurate, but it presents an i

Re: [CTRL] Calif. Initiative Against SPAM

1999-12-30 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- Now *this* is exactly the approach that makes the most sense: require mass marketers to have a specific, affirmative statement that you want to get junk mail/faxes/phone calls/e-mail...and prohibit them from sending anything to anyone from whom they do not have such a statement.

Re: [CTRL] Got this in my email

1999-12-30 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- And *these* are the turkeys who impeached Clinton? Talk about the pot and the kettle... Or perhaps the mote in your brother's eye and the beam in your own would be more appropriate, given the GOP's current liking for biblical morality. Has anyone suggested to them that they are i

Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Thu.1 - y2k minus 2

1999-12-30 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- That's "frumious bandersnatchi," as anyone who has read Larry Niven's Known Space stories knows! Sheesh. You'd think the toves weren't slithy, and that they weren't gyre and gimbal in the wabe... And as for the Jub-Jub Bird... Is *everything* a snark? > -Original Message

[CTRL] California explosives theft probed

1999-12-29 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- http://www.msnbc.com/msn/347663.asp California explosives theft probed Second large heist in a month worries law enforcement agencies MSNBC staff and wire reports Dec. 29 - As a private New Year's Eve party in Seattle's Space Needle became the latest victim of millennial ter

Re: [CTRL] Do They Know Something In D.C. That They Aren't Tellin g?????

1999-12-29 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- Naturally D.C.'s Y2K warning is worse than everyone else's--that government has been incompetent for so long, regardless of who was running it, that ANY incident, no matter how minor, becomes a major public disaster when it hits D.C. Just look at the way they handle the one heavy

Re: [CTRL] Explosives found in alleged terrorist's car were RDX a nd HMTD

1999-12-29 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- Even granting that he might have been a mule, it still makes no sense to me to try to bring the explosives into the U.S., when they are probably more available here than they are in Canada. That's why I think this whole deal is a snark hunt designed to fuel anti-terrorist hysteri

Re: [CTRL] Explosives found in alleged terrorist's car were RDX a nd HMTD

1999-12-29 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- If I were infiltrating the United States with the mission of conducting terrorist operations, I sure as hell would not try to bring my own explosives across the border in such a way that they would be found by a routine inspection. I presume that this guy had a network with which

Re: [CTRL] Bauer: Gay [homo]Couples Akin to Terrorism

1999-12-29 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- The "nuclear family" as a widespread social phenomenon emerged in the United States only during the late 1940's, as ex-GI's returning from the war took advantage of VA loans to acquire their own homes. It flourished during the 1950's and early '60's, but began to disappear in the

Re: [CTRL] Let Them Eat Bush

1999-12-28 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- Ah...you're a self-trained authority on...conjugation? > -Original Message- > From: Nurev Ind Research [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 6:02 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [CTRL] Let Them Eat Bush > > PS: I consider m

[CTRL] Government to Review Y2K-Fix Patent

1999-12-28 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- http://my.cnn.com/jbcl/cnews/Go?template=tnmDet&hd=0&sname=Top+News+from+CNN &art_id=5243168&sbc_id=7&uid=946414751200 Government to Review Y2K-Fix Patent December 28, 1999 Web posted at: 11:21 a.m. EST (1621 GMT) by Linda Rosencrance (IDG) -- In a rare move, the U.S. Patent O

[CTRL] Smoking Marijuana Increases Head and Throat Cancer Risk

1999-12-28 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- Smoking is smoking is smoking... Because of the unregulated nature of marijuana production and sale, marijuana growers have no incentive to control the amount of tar in their product. In addition, most marijuana smokers hold the smoke in the respiratory tract far longer than is n

Re: [CTRL] Bill Z. Bubb

1999-12-28 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- You don't know Bill? His cousin R.E. Mann has the Persia concession. > -Original Message- > From: Kathryn R Smith [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 1:49 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [CTRL] Bill Z. Bubb > > -Caveat Lector- > > "I

Re: [CTRL] Let Them Eat Bush

1999-12-28 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- CCCKKK!!! Tenorlove, you make me seriously rethink my position against capital punishment... > -Original Message- > From: Tenorlove [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 8:22 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [CTRL] Let Them Eat B

Re: [CTRL] Bug at hotmail

1999-12-28 Thread Tatman, Robert
> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 1:27 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [CTRL] Bug at hotmail > > -Caveat Lector- > > I have had my Hotmail account for 2 years and have never had a problem > with > it...Pennie > > > >From: "Tatman, Robert&

Re: [CTRL] Question on the origin of AIDS

1999-12-27 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- Actually, this culinary custom has endangered quite a few species of primates, including the bonobos. The chaos caused by the ongoing Central African war (can't call it a civil war any longer) has only made matters worse, with soldiers and everyone else foraging off the land. >

Re: [CTRL] Homeopaths vs quackbusters, stage magicians, and fools ...

1999-12-27 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- That's no science *that you will recognize.* Homeopathy has a 200-year history of rigorous research and development. And from your tone, it's not the supporters of homeopathy who are fighting a losing battle, clutching at straws. *You* may feel comfortable with putting systemic p

Re: [CTRL] Question on the origin of AIDS

1999-12-27 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- More likely that someone *ate* a monkey which was carrying the Green Monkey Virus. Apparently the local equivalent of McDonald's in the Congo and Angola bush country is to shoot and stew a monkey... Yummy! > -Original Message- > From: Tenorlove [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >

Re: [CTRL] Bug at hotmail

1999-12-27 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- Hotmail has been buggy since its creation (1996?). It's notorious for crashing. All of the Web-based e-mail services have problems, but Hotmail's historically been about the worst, perhaps because they've been around longer and have more experience at screwing up. And I can't say

Re: [CTRL] Fake Terrorism - The Road To Dictatorship

1999-12-27 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- And the Mexican War was equally a manufactured war, created with the sole objective of opening the way for U.S. annexation of a significant portion of Mexican territory. > -Original Message- > From: nessie [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, December 24, 1999 10:41

Re: [CTRL] Let Them Eat Bush

1999-12-24 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- Careful, Joshua...there might be children watching... > -Original Message- > From: Nurev Ind Research [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, December 24, 1999 12:27 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [CTRL] Let Them Eat Bush > > -Caveat Lector- > > Is t

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Christ Killer

1999-12-24 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- There are at least two genuine churches of Elvis, the First Presleyterian Church and . It seriously wouldn't surprise me to see Elvis resurrected with Diana in the coming NWO New Age religious thingy... "There is no Goddess but Diana, and Elvis is Her prophet"??? > -Original

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Re: Christ Killer

1999-12-24 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- Definitely! Some of Acharya's points are interesting, such as the assorted attributes of Osiris...but on the whole I'd be more inclined to trust Das GOAT's scholarship than hers. > -Original Message- > From: Tenorlove [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, December 2

Re: [CTRL] Status of the United States Navy

1999-12-24 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- One does wonder why, if modern artillery, both land-based and naval, is so highly computerized that what passes for "cannoneers" today might just as well be sitting in a video parlor in a mall in Dubuque, Iowa, as on a destroyer escort in the North Sea, why the hell do they need

Re: [CTRL] Politically Correct Jesus

1999-12-24 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- The human brain has receptors for an astounding number of substances and phenomena, which science is just beginning to realize. There are receptors for morphine, Prozac, nicotine, alcohol, for ecstasy, both physical and aesthetic; there are receptors that are so multiply-redundan

Re: [CTRL] Homeopaths vs quackbusters, stage magicians, and fools ...

1999-12-24 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- Just one question, Bill: have you yourself ever *tried* homeopathic remedies? > -Original Message- > From: William Shannon [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, December 23, 1999 11:42 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [CTRL] Homeopaths vs quackbuster

Re: [CTRL] Signoff CTRL

1999-12-24 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- Well, I can understand why you're hanging up your horns...but the list sure ain't the same without you. GOAT, you are a gentleman and a scholar, in the best sense of those words, and I consider it both a privilege and a pleasure to have been both your sparring partner and your ac

Re: [CTRL] Anarchism: Two Kinds / Wendy McElroy

1999-12-22 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- Thanks, Nessie! A very cogent explanation. Of course, where the worshippers of the marketplace go wrong is that they define "property" in terms of *private* property and extend the statement that "property is liberty" to include General Motors, Bertelsmann, and Mitsubishi...which

[CTRL] The New World Disorder

1999-12-22 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- http://www.marxist.com/Theory/worldrelations.html The New World Disorder World Relations at the dawn of the 21st Century "Just as the 19th century came to a close with the outbreak of the first world war in 1914, the war that has started in Kosovo, Europe's first since 1945, mark

Re: [CTRL] Zipped File-Report To Pres. And Congress Re:Terrorism and ...

1999-12-22 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- Bill, if you have a very large item to send to the list, save it as a text file and then split it into two or three separate messages. Sending stuff from AOL is a problem anyway; when I am using MS Outlook Web Access to read mail from my company's e-mail server over the Web, I ca

Re: [CTRL] [EWAR] New Worm virus - from "CTRL List"

1999-12-22 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- Fortunately this worm, W32.NewApt.Worm, (which is NOT a virus) is "only" annoying. The answer to all virus issues is ALWAYS: KEEP YOUR ANTI-VIRUS DEFINITIONS UP TO DATE. If your AV program allows you to opt for automatic updating, select that. If you have to update manually, make

Re: [CTRL] Anarchism: Two Kinds / Wendy McElroy

1999-12-21 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- Hell, even the distinction between collectivist and individualist is baloney. The anarchists you name here leaped right out of the political spectrum and became non-Euclideans. Consider Proudhon: Property is theft. Property is liberty. Property is impossible. Whenever I t

Re: [CTRL] Anarchism: Two Kinds / Wendy McElroy

1999-12-21 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- Nessie, you and I may disagree about nonviolence (and BTW, I'm going to pick up that thread again soon), but here we agree completely. There is no such thing as "Russian" anarchism (usually described as nihilism), "American" anarchism, "German" anarchism, etc. That would be as im

Re: [CTRL] Politically Correct Jesus

1999-12-21 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- "Religious science fiction," bordering on heresy if it wasn't in the Bible... ISTM that there are an awful lot of supposed "Christians" who spend more time contemplating the Devil or angels or saints or anything other than Jesus Christ. > -Original Message- > From: Kris

Re: [CTRL] Did humans lose a sixth sense?

1999-12-21 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- On a different tack, but generally agreeing, I used to have a supervisor who was a quintessential jock--a triathlete, for God's sake! When he had an all-male meeting in his office, the place smelled like a locker room after they finished. You could almost *see* the testosterone i

Re: [CTRL] Phoenicians in ancient New Zealand ? (fwd)

1999-12-21 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- You're assuming that both "Israel" and "Phoenicia" were nations as we know that concept today. They weren't. They were a collection of cities (i.e. trading stations) loosely held together by cultural ties and fealty to a "high king." As we've discussed in other threads, there is

Re: [CTRL] Politically Correct Jesus

1999-12-21 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- Plus which, the entire marriage was a metaphor, symbolizing God's continuing convenant with Israel despite the people's habit of whoring after false gods. Hosea was typical of the Yahwist prophets in seeking to focus worship solely on one supreme deity. While Eagle1's point is te

[CTRL] FW: Araucanos are descedants of ancient Greeks

1999-12-21 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- In light of the current threads on prehistoric migration and exploration and their implications for history, here's a piece arguing that the Araucanas of Chile are of Greek origin. > -Original Message- > From: m [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, December 20, 1999

[CTRL] Did humans lose a sixth sense?

1999-12-17 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- I am reminded of a story published in *Astounding SF* (precursor of *Analog*) in the late 1950's which theorized that the defining factor in the explosive climb of Homo sapiens toward civilization could be attributed to a cold virus which became symbiotic with humans, living in o

Re: [CTRL] WHO'S IN JAIL? High court rules states can keep it a s ecret

1999-12-17 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- Scalia is even worse. > -Original Message- > From: Prudence L. Kuhn [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 11:12 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [CTRL] WHO'S IN JAIL? High court rules states can keep > it a secret > > -Caveat Lector-

Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Tue.1 - y2k minus 18

1999-12-17 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- *No armadillos* were squashed?? But...what will you *eat*?? > -Original Message- > From: Ric Carter [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 7:01 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Tue.1 - y2k minus 18 > * No arma

Re: [CTRL] Phoenicians in ancient New Zealand ? (fwd)

1999-12-17 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- ISTR that the primary evidence for Phoenician or Carthaginian landings in the Americas is a heavily-eroded monument found in Brazil (sorry, can't remember when or exactly where). IIRC, near the end of his life, the great Semitic-language scholar and archaeologist Cyrus Gordon did

Re: [CTRL] Fw: CONSUMER WARNING/PHONING - ACTION ALERT - - PLEASE POST!

1999-12-17 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- Of course! Remember, this was the era when Bufferin ads showed those little A's and B's racing through the sanitized guts of a neuter mannikin, and also when Disney and the AEC collaborated on *Our Friend, the Atom*--one of the most effective domestic propaganda pieces since Leni

Re: [CTRL] Politically Correct Jesus

1999-12-17 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- Well, Tenebrous, aside from it being his brother's *widow*, your remarks are right in line with standard mainstream theological thinking today. You're quite correct that there aren't any other references to anything that could be construed as masturbation, in either the Old Testa

Re: [CTRL] Lyme vaccine

1999-12-16 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- Actually, that's our YANKEE cousins...Lyme disease was named after Lyme, Connecticut, IIRC. Now, if they could develop a vaccine against Republicans... > -Original Message- > From: Nurev Ind Research [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 6:13 PM >

Re: [CTRL] Millennium Wingding

1999-12-16 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- Cute! I guess The Gates really *is* the Antichrist, eh? > -Original Message- > From: earthman [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 5:17 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [CTRL] Millennium Wingding > > -Caveat Lector- > > Love it.. > >

Re: [CTRL] Politically Correct Jesus

1999-12-16 Thread Tatman, Robert
; -Caveat Lector- > > CTRL is not the proper forum, so I will not go into detail concerning > your several statements here. Needless to say, I am not of the school > of J, P, Q, or any of that other modern crud. But your last statement > I simply cannot let pass without comment. > &g

Re: [CTRL] June: Market crash and martial law

1999-12-16 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- All hail Discordia! Hail, She What Done It All! fnord > -Original Message- > From: Das GOAT [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 8:27 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [CTRL] June: Market crash and martial law > > -Caveat Lector- >

Re: [CTRL] Politically Correct Jesus

1999-12-16 Thread Tatman, Robert
d every one to his own way; and the Lord hath > laid > on him the iniquity of us all' (53:6), and 'He was wounded for our > transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: . . .' (53:5). With > all > respect to modern scholars, I don't see how Israel bor

Re: [CTRL] Urgent:KeepRoadsOutofUSForests!

1999-12-16 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- Remember that the U.S. Forest Service and the entire system of National Forests were created by Teddy Roosevelt's Secretary of the Interior, Gifford Pinchot, specifically to provide a reserve of wood *for the logging industry* and secondarily for recreational hunting and fishing.

Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: Fw: CONSUMER WARNING/PHONING - ACTION ALERT - PL EASE POST!]

1999-12-16 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- Wouldn't surprise me at all that Quaker Oats was GE... The name "Quaker Oats" was originally chosen in the 19th century because "Quaker" had come to mean "guaranteed quality." The irony is that today it means Cap'n Crunch and genetically-engineered oatmeal, at least to Wall Stree

Re: [CTRL] Politically Correct Jesus

1999-12-15 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- It *is* in Second Isaiah, but I can't remember the exact verse. The verse forms one of the most striking passages in Handel's *Messiah*: "He was a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief." It's part of the "suffering servant" theme, which many modern scholars believe refers not

Re: [CTRL] Neo-Liberal Wins Re-Election in SF

1999-12-15 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- I gather that Willie Brown will be the best mayor that money can buy. > -Original Message- > From: Das GOAT [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 9:24 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [CTRL] Neo-Liberal Wins Re-Election in SF > > -Cav

Re: [CTRL] Politically Correct Jesus

1999-12-14 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- I thought that the reason Paul used an amanuensis was that *everyone* used an amanuensis then and there. Kris, no, there are no actual Pauline manuscripts, but if you read New Testament Greek, you realize quite rapidly that Paul's letters read like transcripts of someone thinking

Re: [CTRL] Indictment Sought for Scientist Lee (fwd)

1999-12-14 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- Basically zilch, aside from having all of his privileges as a former DCI revoked. No criminal charges were filed. > -Original Message- > From: Prudence L. Kuhn [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 1:36 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: R

Re: [CTRL] Politically Correct Jesus

1999-12-14 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- Actually, there is a sort of underground tradition, mostly in the later New Testament apocrypha, that Jesus was in fact an ugly man with one twisted leg. Paul is also reported to have been a cripple, possibly bow-legged from rickets; note that while *Paulos* has no specific meani

Re: [CTRL] Dec14 Frontline TV Snitches to reair

1999-12-13 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- Last month I got mugged on my way to the train after work. I was jumped from behind and wrestled down, wrenching my (already bad) left arm in the process. I tried calling for the police, as a police substation is half a block from there, but they must all have been on a doughnut

Re: [CTRL] Y1K and GERBERT, the First "European"

1999-12-13 Thread Tatman, Robert
quot; > > -Caveat Lector- > > On Fri, 10 Dec 1999, Tatman, Robert wrote: > >It's related to Baphomet, and also to the talking brass head that Roger > >Bacon is supposed to have had. BTW, for an excellent historical fantasy > >based on the Gerbert story, see Judith

Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: FWD: A CENTURY OF U.S. MILITARY INTERVENTIONS:]

1999-12-13 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- More like *two* centuries of U.S. military interventions... IIRC, the first U.S. intervention in Indochina was in *1848*, when U.S. Marines landed in Tonkin to protect American traders from pirates. And, of course, by the 1790s, U.S. naval and Marine forces were being used for

Re: [CTRL] Did The Vikings Name America?

1999-12-13 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- Helluland, Markland, and Vinland are well-attested from the sagas. Please show me where in the sagas the name "Ommerike" occurs. If there were any truth to this blatant exercise in North European chauvinism, we would find evidence for the name's use in the sagas. Q.E.D. > -O

Re: [CTRL] The Great Seattle "Anarchist" Mystery - Solved ?

1999-12-13 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- Hmm. So just who was being trained during Urban Warrior--the grunts or the "demonstrators"? A very interesting suggestion. > -Original Message- > From: Dave [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 3:05 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [CT

Re: [CTRL] IRS "LOSES" EVIDENCE

1999-12-13 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- Uh-huh...Landmark would be perfectly happy, of course, if the audits were being done on liberal and progressive groups. To quote Martin Luther, "it all depends whose ox is being gored." > -Original Message- > From: Tenorlove [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, Decem

Re: [CTRL] $Capitalism at work.$

1999-12-13 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- Cooptation. It's the simplest way to neutralize your actual or potential opponents. We're just lucky that enough good people reject the cooptation that opposing voices are still heard in the Forum...not enough, but some. > -Original Message- > From: Nurev Ind Research [S

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Diana as the Madonna

1999-12-10 Thread Tatman, Robert
. Developments concerning Mary only feed that tendency. > -Original Message- > From: Kelly [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, December 10, 1999 9:18 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Diana as the Madonna > > -Caveat Lector- >

Re: [CTRL] Why Jesse's death got no play - 12-9-99

1999-12-10 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- Both crimes are crimes of violence. Both have more to do with power and fear than with sex. Homosexuality in itself surely can't be considered a crime, any more than *heterosexuality* can. But killing a gay person *because* he's gay is *two* crimes: first, homicide; second, hatre

Re: [CTRL] Monsanto & Government Regulatory Agency Employees Ar e The Same People!!

1999-12-10 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- Ah yes, the old revolving door...there's nothing like it... > -Original Message- > From: earthman [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, December 10, 1999 1:52 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [CTRL] Monsanto & Government Regulatory Agency Employees > Are

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: violence in Seattle

1999-12-10 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- The present social order is so firmly rooted in violence--the violence of property, the violence of greed, the violence of racism, the violence of capitalism--that only a society which totally rejects violence can have any hope of truly changing anything. Nessie, tell me, what is

Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Thursday #2 - y2k minus 23

1999-12-10 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- Uh...doesn't that take it something like half the human race? Are you offering *this* as the explanation for the War Between the Sexes? > -Original Message- > From: Ric Carter [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, December 10, 1999 12:12 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >

Re: [CTRL] Y1K and GERBERT, the First "European"

1999-12-10 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- It's related to Baphomet, and also to the talking brass head that Roger Bacon is supposed to have had. BTW, for an excellent historical fantasy based on the Gerbert story, see Judith Tarr's *Ars Magica*--a well-written, meticulously-researched novel by a trained medievalist. > -

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Black Bloc and obsessive analysis

1999-12-10 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- Nessie, in all candor, this is the one case that has caused more serious debate within the nonviolent community than any other. I don't have an answer for you. I do know people who genuinely feel that violent resistance, even to rape or murder, is so totally evil that they cannot

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Black Bloc and obsessive analysis

1999-12-09 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- In Gandhian nonviolence, which is the form I hesitatingly try to follow, this is NOT a valid distinction. Violence is violence, no matter what or who the target is. We need to be working toward a society where even the thought of violence simply doesn't enter into the picture. Th

Re: [CTRL] Another possibility

1999-12-09 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- This is what I'm starting to wonder. Stay tuned... > -Original Message- > From: nessie [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 1:40 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [CTRL] Another possibility > > -Caveat Lector- > > Maybe the Seattle ner

Re: [CTRL] People in America early

1999-12-09 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- I'll have to dig out my Barry Fell books (*America B.C.*, etc.), which I do not have readily available. If memory serves me, however, this is an example of the kind of racist argument I mean (and I am not accusing Fell of racism himself): the Welsh heroic tradition supposedly rec

[CTRL] FW: WTO, etc.

1999-12-09 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- Some comments extracted from a personal e-mail from a family member in Seattle commenting on the WTO foofaraw, edited slightly: ... [A source] high up in King County government ... had some comments on how Seattle government handled the mess. [The source] said that the county and

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Diana as the Madonna

1999-12-09 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- It is widely expected by Vatican watchers that Pope John Paul II will use the occasion of the Jubilee Year 2000 with its attendant gigantic pilgrimages to Rome to formally proclaim the doctrine of Mary as Co-Redemptrix, the equal of Jesus Christ as agent of human salvation...thus

Re: [CTRL] People in America early

1999-12-09 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- ISTR that some archaeologists identify the Jomon culture with the ancestors of the Ainu, who inhabited the entire Japanese archipelago before the arrival of the ancestral Japanese, probably from Korea. This is of course quite controversial in Japan. > -Original Message-

Re: [CTRL] FW: Chemical war in Seattle-The World's Still Watching -

1999-12-09 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- If this report is correct, and assuming that the symptoms described cannot be attributed to other causes such as stress, the symptoms identified appear to match those produced by the nerve agents VX (sarin) and GB. It will be extremely interesting to see if any of the canisters b

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Black Bloc and obsessive analysis

1999-12-08 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- I never said that *all* of the anarchists were provocateurs. *Some* of them were provocateurs. Most were just "useful idiots." But provocateurs *have* provoked violence against property many times in the past, and if people got injured or killed into the bargain, so much the bett

Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Wednesday #3 - y2k minus 24

1999-12-08 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- "God made mud. Lucky, lucky mud." --Kurt Vonnegut, *Cat's Cradle* -Original Message- From: Ric Carter [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 10:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Wednesday #3 - y2k minus 24

1999-12-08 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- Hey, when I came outside to start up my car the other day, the windows were all frosted over, and before I got in to start the engine and turn on the defroster I could SWEAR, up, down, and sideways that I saw the Goddess Eris (Hail, She What Done It All!) peering out at me from i

Re: [CTRL] People in America early

1999-12-08 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- Most of the hard scientific evidence for "non-Indian" or "non-Native American" origins has been discovered quite recently. Yes, there are many anomalous sites throughout North America, but there is also an amazing mass of pure nonsense put out over the past two centuries by peopl

Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Wednesday #1 - y2k minus 24

1999-12-08 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- See Umberto Eco, *Foucault's Pendulum*, for some very interesting insights into the hidden (occult) nature of subways, sewers, tunnels, and the like... -Original Message- From: Ric Carter [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent:

Re: [CTRL] The rioters' version

1999-12-08 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- This is absolutely true. Crimes against paperwork (destruction of files, etc.) and other forms of information are also anathema to the Oligarchs, who regard information as a vital means of controlling the hoi polloi (i.e, us'ns). Remember, these are men to whom Property Rights ar

Re: [CTRL] Doctor fired for challenging Navy diagnoses

1999-12-08 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- No surprises here... I happen to have pulmonary sarcoidosis myself, and am well aware of the Navy's history of the disease. In fact, the Navy cases have often been cited as exemplars of sarcoidosis, which is not exactly a "rare disease": it is at least as common as multiple scler

Re: [CTRL] COINTELPRO in Seattle

1999-12-07 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- And how many of those 3,000 bombings were done or instigated by agents provocateurs? It is MUCH easier for the Establishment to turn violent protest to its own purposes than for them to coopt a nonviolent movement. The Oligarchy has too many, and too powerful, weapons for anyone

Re: [CTRL] Towards Ultimate CONTROL

1999-12-07 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- Yup, the spellchecker don't catch that kind of mistake... I guess them Lawrence Liverpool Labs must be out at that Area 52... > -Original Message- > From: nessie [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, December 06, 1999 10:03 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject:

Re: [CTRL] COINTELPRO in Seattle

1999-12-07 Thread Tatman, Robert
Ind Research [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, December 06, 1999 6:29 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [CTRL] COINTELPRO in Seattle > > -Caveat Lector- > > "Tatman, Robert" wrote: > > > > -Caveat Lector- > > > >

Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Monday #1 - y2k minus 26

1999-12-07 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- I once heard of an Irish monk who observed, with some bemusement, that Jesus Christ was born before the birth of Jesus Christ... > -Original Message- > From: Ric Carter [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, December 06, 1999 2:32 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject

Re: [CTRL] Secret history of anarchism (intro)

1999-12-07 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- Years ago, doing disaster relief in the Finger Lakes region of New York State following Tropical Storm Agnes, I realized that what we had right after the storm, in the first day and a half or two days, was precisely Kropotskian mutual aid. Ideologies, politics, theology, class di

Re: [CTRL] Cloning the soul ?

1999-12-07 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- There was a story written years ago which suggested that the reason for the sudden proliferation of amoral, sociopathic behavior in this particular near-future world was that too many humans had been born, with too few souls available to inhabit those bodies... IIRC, the story al

[CTRL] Predicting the flu of the future

1999-12-03 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- "School boards and science educators need to understand this simple fact: if students don't learn about evolution, they can't possibly understand modern biology or medicine." http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/eng

[CTRL] Delay in identifying virus raises security questions

1999-12-03 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- http://www.nandotimes.com/noframes/story/0,2107,500064078-500106042-50047933 7-0,00.html Delay in identifying virus raises security questions Copyright © 1999 Nando Media Copyright © 1999 Scripps Howard News Service By LANCE GAY WASHINGTON (December 3, 1999 12:06 a.m. EST) -

[CTRL] Complete Genome Of West Nile Virus Identified: Middle East Origin Suggested

1999-12-03 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- "Using reverse-transcription PCR (polymerase chain reaction), the scientists identify the virus as a West Nile virus (WNV) virtually identical to a West Nile virus that was found in an outbreak in Israel in 1998. It is also very similar to a virus found in Egypt, they report. ...

[CTRL] Human evolution slowed down by central heating

1999-12-03 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=000343180237640&rtmo=glbYnjku&atmo= &pg=/et/99/12/2/ecnevo02.html Human evolution slowed down by central heating By Roger Highfield HUMAN beings are in the slow lane of evolution, according to a study that suggests that changes to our sp

[CTRL] BBC: New Zealand approves GM cows

1999-12-03 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_538000/538000.stm New Zealand approves GM cows Scientists in New Zealand have been given the go-ahead to raise two herds of genetically-modified cows - but they cannot introduce any human genes into the animals. Instead, the cow

Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #1 - 12/03/99

1999-12-03 Thread Tatman, Robert
-Caveat Lector- Because violence can easily be manipulated to suit the Oligarchy's objectives; nonviolence, because it is based on mutual support and consent, is much more difficult to coopt. The bosses understand violence, because it's the basis on which they operate; but mutual support and con

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