-Caveat Lector-
I suspect that several things were happening at the same time in Seattle,
and they were not being orchestrated by the same people. One faction--the
ADM/Pepsi/etc. group--was working to discredit opposition to "free trade" by
bankrolling violence by the fake "anarchists." What *Clinton* was doing was
trying to coopt the nonviolent groups by adopting their agenda (or seeming
to adopt their agenda). Sure, violence scares the pols...but really big
nonviolent actions frighten them more--remember the MayDay actions in 1971.
The pols know that the media will pick up on "demonstrators" throwing rocks,
Molotov cocktails, etc., at the police, MPs, what have you, which makes for
*much better* press (for the pols) than does pictures of cops, MPs, etc.,
beating up on unarmed, nonviolent demonstrators.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nurev Ind Research [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 1999 6:29 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [CTRL] COINTELPRO in Seattle
>
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> "Tatman, Robert" wrote:
> >
> > -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > I didn't say police violence was legitimate. What I am trying to do is
> > identify WHY the "anarchists" were ignored by the cops on Tuesday, while
> the
> > nonviolent demonstrators were targeted. As a matter of principle, I do
> not
> > believe that ANY violence is legitimate. With all due respect to my
> Jesuit
> > professors, I don't accept the principle of double effect: it is NEVER
> > appropriate to use violence to stop violence. If activists use violence
> > themselves, they are simply adopting the methods of the Oligarchy, and
> by
> > doing that they have allowed themselves to be coopted. QED: if not, why
> do
> > agents provocateurs always try to get their targets to engage in violent
> > actions? We DARE not use the enemy's weapons to fight the enemy...if we
> do
> > that, we might as well just give up and enlist in the enemy's army.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nessie [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 3:00 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: [CTRL] COINTELPRO in Seattle
> > >
> > > -Caveat Lector-
> > >
> > > >the legitimate nonviolent anti-WTO movement,
> > >
> > >
> > > What makes the nonviolent anti-WTO movement "legitimate" and the
> violent
> > > movement not? Was the Boston Tea Party not violent? Did that make it
> a
> > > bad thing? More to the point, what makes police violence legitimate
> and
> > > citizen violence not legitimate?
>
> If I may join the conversation.
>
> I too prefer non violence. But the reality of our world is such that it is
> violence which scares the politicians. Not because they can't overcome it,
> but
> because it demonstrates how far people are willing to go to oppose their
> rule.
>
> Have you ever wondered why there is a Martin L. King holiday but not a
> Malcolm
> X holiday? It was the threat of violent Black insurrection which
> frightened
> the establishment into making Jim Crow illegal. Power is not afraid of
> peaceful demonstrations. They even prefer it because it lets people let
> off
> steam and feel that they are accomplishing something when they are not.
> This
> is why Clinton praised the " peaceful " protesters, and admonished the
> violent
> " anarchists."
>
> Joshua2
>
>
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