[CTRL] God and Guns: A Biblical Perspective
-Caveat Lector- Greetings, Contradict NO!.. DEFINE YES! It is my understanding that the correct language translation of this commandment was "Thou shall not murder..." meaning to kill without judgement. DID NOT GOD ORDER THE DEATH OF PEOPLE AFTER HE HAD JUDGED THEM? DID NOT HIS FOLLOWERS DO THE DEEDS AND GET BLESSED FOR IT? Please read the Biblical account of the man who slew an Israelite, and the "strange woman" he had brought with him into the Temple, in defiance of the law of God. The slayer was blessed for his act and made a leader for it! My short term memory is shot right now or I could remember his name. TTYL, Deo Volente. = On Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:42:19 +0100 Andrew Hennessey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- hi, can anyone contradict this biblical perspective ... thou shalt not kill Andrew Hennessey DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] God and Guns: A Biblical Perspective
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-09-01 16:18:00 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Please read the Biblical account of the man who slew an Israelite, and the "strange woman" he had brought with him into the Temple, in defiance of the law of God. The slayer was blessed for his act and made a leader for it! My short term memory is shot right now or I could remember his name. Phineas or Phinehas (Pinchas in Hebrew). Hence the name of today's "Phineas Priesthood" whose mission is to "righteously" assassinate "race-mixers" and other persons judged "immoral" by the faux-Christian ayatollahs of the far, far Right. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Das GOAT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Phineas or Phinehas (Pinchas in Hebrew). Hence the name of today's "Phineas Priesthood" whose mission is to "righteously" assassinate "race-mixers" and other persons judged "immoral" by the faux-Christian ayatollahs of the far, far Right. Has anyone else noticed the weird similarity of the "Afrocentric" ideology espoused by Khallid Muhammad to Christian Identity? Clips from a speech by Muhammad have been running on NPR in which he describes blacks as "the true Israelites..." If you look at the origins of the Nation of Islam (which Khallid Muhammad is essentially a heretical member of), it began during the '20s and '30s, at the same time as the British Israel movement was starting to meld with assorted fascist and racist groups. I wonder if there is actually a connection between Afrocentrism and British Israel/Christian Identity. The parallels in the belief structure are striking...and ominous. = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] God and Guns: A Biblical Perspective
-Caveat Lector- Contradict NO!.. DEFINE YES! It is my understanding that the correct language translation of this commandment was "Thou shall not murder..." No, that is precisely the problem ... everybodys INTERPRETATION meaning to kill without judgement. Nazi Germany, then, having a consensus of judgement on Jews was ok to kill them all ?? Since because they were some judged in courts of law, and by judges, academics, doctors, scientists etc that by your INTERPRETATION of 'Gods' word makes it ok No, if there are 10 basic commandments and one of them says thou shalt not kill, thou shalt redeem with time consuming labor intensive re-education and resources, I'll bet we wouldn't hear about 10 commandments, however, .. a quick double tap to the head saves a lot of time in a society that just doesn't care about civilisation or its mores. There are quotes in the bible that I'm sure can and have been used to substantiate every known crime against civilisation ... lets be absolutely clear about that. Andrew Hennessey DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Isn't it all semitism? When the Romans ranged outward to create their empire they came upon two great religions. Just so happens they were ripe for conversion because their tendancy to emperor worship was spiritually lacking...Druidism, the religion of the forest, was forsaken totally as the peoples of Romes empire embraced the desert religion of Judaism through Christ, the Rabbi Yeshua Ben Miriam. Robert Tatman wrote: -Caveat Lector- Das GOAT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Phineas or Phinehas (Pinchas in Hebrew). Hence the name of today's "Phineas Priesthood" whose mission is to "righteously" assassinate "race-mixers" and other persons judged "immoral" by the faux-Christian ayatollahs of the far, far Right. Has anyone else noticed the weird similarity of the "Afrocentric" ideology espoused by Khallid Muhammad to Christian Identity? Clips from a speech by Muhammad have been running on NPR in which he describes blacks as "the true Israelites..." If you look at the origins of the Nation of Islam (which Khallid Muhammad is essentially a heretical member of), it began during the '20s and '30s, at the same time as the British Israel movement was starting to meld with assorted fascist and racist groups. I wonder if there is actually a connection between Afrocentrism and British Israel/Christian Identity. The parallels in the belief structure are striking...and ominous. = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] God and Guns: A Biblical Perspective
-Caveat Lector- hi, can anyone contradict this biblical perspective ... thou shalt not kill Andrew Hennessey DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] God and Guns: A Biblical Perspective
-Caveat Lector- God and Guns: The Bible's Perspective on Personal Ownership and Use of Weapons, and Related Matters (c) 1996, 1997 David C. Treibs, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This page contains verse by verse commentary for Genesis - I Samuel, detailing what the Bible says about owning and using guns. Genesis 27:3 3 Now therefore take, I pray thee, thy weapons, thy quiver and thy bow, and go out to the field, and take me [some] venison; Genesis 27:3 MILITIA His personal weapons; his father had no qualms with his son being armed. Genesis 27:40 40 And by thy sword shalt thou live, and shalt serve thy brother; and it shall come to pass when thou shalt have the dominion, that thou shalt break his yoke from off thy neck. Genesis 27:40 MILITIA Obviously there were no kings or official armies at this time, these were his own personal weapons. Genesis 34:25 25. And it came to pass on the third day, when they were sore, that two of the sons of Jacob, Simeon and Levi, Dinah's brethren, took each man his sword, and came upon the city boldly, and slew all the males. Genesis 34:25 MILITIA, MASS DESTRUCTION 2 armed men slaughtered all the males of an entire city (even though they were sore from being circumcised), this is analogous to "assault weapons," capable of killing large numbers of people. They _did_ have similarly potent weapons back them. Both weapons require skill to use, guns require reloading, aiming, cleaning, etc. They succeeded because they were unopposed (?) and no one else was armed (?) or at least in a condition to fight (?). Then again, if my life was threatened and I was sore, I'd put up a pretty good fight, sore or not. Deadly weapons of mass destruction, worse than machine guns, because they never ran out of bullets. They killed all the men in the city, and presumable at least some of them were armed. Genesis 40:15 (ADD) Genesis 40:15 A low level of resistance to evil--asserting innocence and asking for help from the butler. Genesis 48:22 22 Moreover I have given to thee one portion above thy brethren, which I took out of the hand of the Amorite with my sword and with my bow. Genesis 48:22 MILITIA His weapons, and even his personal army. Genesis 49:24 24 But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty [God] of Jacob; (from thence [is] the shepherd, the stone of Israel:) Genesis 49:24 MILITIA His weapons. And God strengthened him to fight. God didn't do the fighting, they did it with God's help. Exodus 12:23 23 For the LORD will pass through to smite the Egyptians; and when he seeth the blood upon the lintel, and on the two side posts, the LORD will pass over the door, and will not suffer the destroyer to come in unto your houses to smite [you]. Exodus 12:23 God's people must utilize God's provisions--for self defense and safety, or they will suffer. Exodus 13:18 18 But God led the people about, [through] the way of the wilderness of the Red sea: and the children of Israel went up harnessed out of the land of Egypt. Exodus 13:18 MILITIA The children of Israel went up out of Egypt armed. They were not an organized military force, each individual brought weapons. Where they obtained them? I don't know, maybe borrowed them from the Egyptians. These were weapons they later used in warfare, good example of militia: using personal weapons as part of national defense. Exodus 15:3 3 The LORD [is] a man of war: the LORD [is] his name. Exodus 15:9 9 The enemy said, I will pursue, I will overtake, I will divide the spoil; my lust shall be satisfied upon them; I will draw my sword, my hand shall destroy them. Exodus 15:9 The bad guys had weapons. Exodus 20:4-5 4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth: 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me; Exodus 20:4-5 ? Don't remember why I marked this one, maybe because not supposed to let weapons or guns become gods, to take the place of God, to wrongly trust them instead of God. Exodus 20:13 13 Thou shalt not kill. Exodus 21:12 12. He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death. Exodus 21:14-17 14 But if a man come presumptuously upon his neighbor, to slay him with guile; thou shalt take him from mine altar, that he may die. 15 And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death. 16 And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death. 17 And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. Exodus 21:29 29 But if the ox were wont to push with his horn in time past, and it hath been testified to his owner, and he hath not kept him in, but that he hath killed a
Re: [CTRL] God and Guns: A Biblical Perspective
-Caveat Lector- Hmmm, the bible mentions guns??? Where exactly? Or is this more creative interpretation on the part of the fundies??? Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] God and Guns: A Biblical Perspective
-Caveat Lector- At 06:12 PM 8/29/99 EDT, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- Hmmm, the bible mentions guns??? Where exactly? Or is this more creative interpretation on the part of the fundies??? Bill. Guns: handguns, rifles, etc. are the modern versions of biblical weapons: swords, bows, etc. Not to difficult of an extrapolation for the heathens, is it? Mick ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Patriot Resource Center: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/6627/ **Live Free or Die!** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] God and Guns: A Biblical Perspective
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 8/29/99 3:28:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Guns: handguns, rifles, etc. are the modern versions of biblical weapons: swords, bows, etc. Not to difficult of an extrapolation for the heathens, is it? Nope, just fun watching the limitless creativity of the followers of mythology/superstition, that's all. Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] God and Guns: A Biblical Perspective
-Caveat Lector- At 06:30 PM 8/29/99 EDT, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 8/29/99 3:28:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Guns: handguns, rifles, etc. are the modern versions of biblical weapons: swords, bows, etc. Not to difficult of an extrapolation for the heathens, is it? Nope, just fun watching the limitless creativity of the followers of mythology/superstition, that's all. Bill. I agree, Bill, I especially have a great time observing the unlimited creativity of the followers of mythology/superstition, especially that exhibited amongst the evolutionist, big-bang fundies who have taken control of the Universities, yet ignore material entropy and the 1st and 2nd law of thermal dynamics . And I also get a kick out of the "new age pagan" fundies with their ascended masters, and let's not forget the long line of generational "secret societies" and "Keepers of Ancient Knowledge" fundies who have given their entire lives and fortunes to their foolish pursuits. And my favorite, Shirley McClaine, who says she is God, but can't even win a lawsuit in LA superior court. What a gas!!! But then again, I guess it's better to have some kind of fundamental belief system then to have none at all, like sayatheists. Mike :^) -- Psalms 2: 1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? 2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, 3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. 4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the LORD shall have them in derision. 5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure. 6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
