[CTRL] Freedom Watch (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Remember:More people have died in Ted Kennedy's car than have died in United States Commercial Nuclear Power plant operations visit my web site at http://www.info-quest.org My ICQ# is 79071904 See the Pledge of alleginace to the flag that the 9th circuit court of appeals doesn't want you to say. for a precise list of the powers of the Federal Government linkto: http://www.info-quest.org/Enumerated.html -- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:21:34 EDT From: Charles Demastus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Freedom Watch FREEDOM WATCH is information pertaining to government abuse of power, abuse of the Constitution, illegal immigration, frivolous lawsuits, government waste, political correctness run amok, media bias, etc. It is FREE and sent to you via E-mail. To subscribe send an e-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peroutka for President 2004 http://www.peroutka2004.com/index.php Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: --- Stories from the Civil Rights Movement. Extraordinary stories, ordinary people. Share your memories today! http://click.topica.com/caacvglbUrH0IbNOfRRa/AARP --- I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time. --H. L. Mencken (1880 - 1956) *** The Star Chamber Is Back by Paul Craig Roberts _http://www.antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=3314_ (http://www.antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=3314) The Lincoln few Northerners know _http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/opinion/columnists/steigerwald /s_215092.html_ (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/opinion/columnists/steigerwald/s_215092.html) Bipartisan betrayal at the border Michelle Malkin _http://www.townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/mm20040825.shtml_ (http://www.townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/mm20040825.shtml) Who is the Southern Poverty Law Center and What is Their Role in the Campaign Against Prop. 200? _http://www.fairus.org/Media/Media.cfm?ID=2493c=34_ (http://www.fairus.org/Media/Media.cfm?ID=2493c=34) How Title IX Is Holding Us Back In Athens by Phyllis Schlafly _http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2004/aug04/04-08-25.html_ (http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2004/aug04/04-08-25.html) Dozens Charged in Crackdown on Spam and Scams _http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/25/technology/25spam.html?ei=5006en=f2154acc7 2bb0ba3ex=1094011200partner=ALTAVISTA1pagewanted=printposition_ (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/25/technology/25spam.html?ei=5006en=f2154acc72bb0ba3ex =1094011200partner=ALTAVISTA1pagewanted=printposition) = Ban the Christians, Kill the Bushites! Mike S. Adams _http://www.townhall.com/columnists/mikeadams/ma20040824.shtml_ (http://www.townhall.com/columnists/mikeadams/ma20040824.shtml) The Christian Confessional State - an idea whose time has come? Robert McMullen _http://www.dixieinternet.com/page240.shtml_ (http://www.dixieinternet.com/page240.shtml) Armed Society Is Polite Society Pastor Mark Dankof _http://www.dixieinternet.com/page241.shtml_ (http://www.dixieinternet.com/page241.shtml) Mark Dankof's America _http://www.markdankof.com/_ (http://www.markdankof.com/) Pastor Mark Dankof Interviewed On Frank Whalen's Frankly Speaking Radio Program _http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Whalen/0408/20040817_Tue_FrankWhalen.ram_ (http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Whalen/0408/20040817_Tue_FrankWhalen.ram) SOUTHERN HERITAGE NEWS AND VIEWS is dedicated to the preservation of Southern Heritage and to defend the honor of our Confederate ancestors. It is FREE and sent to you via E-mail. To subscribe send e-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: --- RE-GROW YOUR HAIR STARTING NOW.Click here for more info! http://click.topica.com/caacxydbUrH0IbNOfRRf/Medical Hair Restoration --- To my subscribers: Here is a phone service I have been using for over 2 years. You can have this rate (4.9 cents per min.) for outbound long distance or get an 800 number (or both). The 800 number is perfect for those with kids away at college and for truckers, salesmen, etc. International rates are VERY cheap, also. There is no monthly fee, all you pay is time used; if you make no calls, you get no bill. I get a commission if you sign up. If you already have a cheaper phone rate, please disregard. If not, what are you waiting for? Thanks. Chuck Demastus LONG DISTANCE - HOME OR BUSINESS! ONLY 4.9 cents per minute! HAVE YOUR OWN 800# - HOME OR BUSINESS NO SET-UP FEES - NO MONTHLY FEES - NO SURCHARGES FOR SERVICE 1-800-360-8918 - RD# 205 http://www.800ld.com/205/ Also UNLIMITED INTERNET ACCESS ONLY $14.95 a month
[CTRL] Freedom limits in the EU
-Caveat Lector- EU set to agree sweeping counter-terror policies Richard Norton-Taylor Thursday March 25, 2004 The Guardian Police, security and intelligence agencies across Europe will have authority to hold and exchange data on individuals - and detain them - under a draft declaration on combating terrorism to be agreed by EU leaders meeting in Brussels today. Under the plans, which will be approved by the EU summit in Brussels, officials would win sweeping powers to arrest and question individuals on suspicion of involvement in terrorism. The summit opens two weeks after the Madrid train bombings injected new urgency into remedying glaring deficiencies in Europe's anti-terrorist defences. A draft declaration seen by the Guardian contains over 50 proposals which amount to a formidable array of measures in an area of European cooperation - involving the criminal justice system as a whole - in which Britain has hitherto been reluctant to get enmeshed. Whitehall signalled yesterday that the government is preparing to drop its veto over important areas of EU judicial cooperation. The draft declaration prepared for today's European summit by Ireland, holder of the rotating EU presidency, has been obtained by Statewatch, a London-based bulletin monitoring EU decision making and potential threats to civil liberties. New proposals include a European register on convictions and disqualifications, a database on forensic material and undefined measures simplifying the exchange of information and intelligence between law enforcement authorities of the member states. Another is a British plan to resurrect proposals, previously blocked on civil liberty grounds, to retain communication traffic data - a reference to mobile phone records and emails to assist tracking and investigating terrorists. Standards are to be agreed by 2005. Civil liberties campaigners say that many of the measures in the document are too widely drawn and amount to an electronic fishing expedition that could catch innocent people or those suspected of relatively minor offences. Tony Bunyan, editor of Statewatch, said yesterday: Under the guise of tackling terrorism, the EU is planning to bring in a swath of measures to do with crime and the surveillance of the whole population. After the dreadful loss of life and injuries in Madrid we need a response that unites Europe rather than divides it. Other proposals in the document include the setting up of a common visa information system, and measures to make it easier to exchange personal data - DNA, fingerprints and visas - kept on different electronic systems. The European commission should also draw up plans to enable national law enforcement agencies to have access to the EU systems, it says. New EU laws would set up joint investigating teams and joint measures on money laundering [and] the identification, tracing, freezing, and confiscation ... of proceeds of crime. Eurojust, a plan to give common rules to national public prosecutors throughout the EU, would be set up as a matter of urgency. The document also calls for progress on the establishment of a European borders agency to set common EU standards for patrolling and controlling frontiers. The plan is seen as a way of addressing lack of confidence in the ability of authorities in the new EU members in central and eastern Europe to control borders. Public transport carriers would be obliged to reveal passenger details, while biometric features would be incorporated into EU passports. All the measures, says the draft declaration, would be agreed by the summer. Europol, the EU's police organisation, should be strengthened. Another priority should be to enhance the capacity of appropriate EU bodies in the preparation of intelligence assessments of all aspects of the terrorist threat, with a closer linkage to EU policymaking. EU countries should continue to investigate the links between extreme religious or political beliefs, as well as socio-economic and other factors, and support for terrorism, and develop and implement a strategy to promote cross-cultural and inter-religious understanding between Europe and the Islamic world. The real test in the wake of the Madrid bombings, commentators say, is the willingness of member states jealous of their intelligence and security knowhow, like Britain, to cooperate more closely with all their EU partners. The EU action plan also has implications for its relations with the US. An internal note of a recent meeting between European and American officials in Dublin on the new transatlantic agenda reveals, for example, that the FBI prefers to deal with individual EU states rather than Europol. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is
[CTRL] Freedom Fries And Dark Oranges Edition
-Caveat Lector- http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/03/103.html The Top Ten Conservative Idiots (No. 103) March 17, 2003 Freedom Fries And Dark Oranges Edition Freedom fries are back! This time, they're in the United States Congress, thanks to Bob Ney and Walter Jones (1). Perennial Top-Ten favorite Bill O'Reilly (2) is back on the list for some first-class hypocrisy. Meanwhile, Dick Cheney (3) is using the upcoming war as an excuse to funnel a little more government money back to his buds at Halliburton. The White House (4) is slamming on Tony Blair, Tom Ridge (5) is turning a darker shade of orange, and Mark Sanford (7) wants to run state government like Wal-Mart. And if you're a journalist, watch out, because the Pentagon (8) might shoot at you, and the FBI (9) is gonna open up your mail. Enjoy, and don't forget the key! Bob Ney and Walter Jones You may be forgiven for thinking that our elected leaders are busying themselves with important matters of state. After all, that's what we put them there for. But the latest news from Capitol Hill seems to indicate that rather than spending time coming up with solutions to the nation's problems, some congressmen would rather waste the taxpayer's money on spreading bigotry and xenophobia. Why aren't we surprised? Step forward Republican congressmen Bob Ney and Walter Jones, who are currently succeeding in their mission to turn Capitol Hill into an isolationist's paradise. See, Jones was so impressed by Neal Rowland's recent anti- France zealotry (see Idiots 101) that he managed to persuade Bob Ney, chairman of the House Administration Committee, to jump aboard the freedom fries bandwagon. And lo and behold, henceforth there will be no more french fries on House cafeteria menus - it's freedom fries or nothing. What a wonderful use of government resources. And now I'd like to take a moment to say: WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU IMBECILES THINKING? THIS IS THE ONE OF THE MOST MORONIC ATTEMPTS AT PATRIOTIC CORRECTNESS I HAVE EVER SEEN! YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES, YOU IGNORANT, CONTEMPTUOUS, XENOPHOBIC WASTRELS. Thank you. Bill O'Reilly And oh, how unsurprised we were to see Bill The Hypocrite O'Reilly flip- flopping and U- turning last week. It just last month that the No Spin twit was trashing Mark Stinson of TakeBackTheMedia.com for organizing a boycott of Rush Limbaugh's advertisers (see Idiots 98) - but suddenly boycotts seem to be all the rage in the O'Reilly household. Bill The Shill has decided that the best way to punish France for their refusal to rush into a pre-emptive invasion of Iraq is to - you guessed it - boycott their products. It's time. It's time for the United States people, the American people, to say, 'OK, France, you want to do this, then we do what we can,' barfed the fair-and-balanced one on The O'Reilly Factor last week. Odd that O'Reilly doesn't suggest that we punish Iraq by boycotting their products - especially since the US is currently the biggest buyer of Iraqi oil in the world - but I guess he must have decided that he hates France more than he hates Iraq. Mon dieu. Dick Cheney Last week Dick Cheney got on the list for being a humorless fool. This week he's on the list for being a humorless war profiteer. You know, it's going to take a lot of time and money to clean up Iraq after we blow it to smithereens, and who do you think is going to pay the tab? That's right folks - it's you, the taxpayer. So since you're going to be paying the tab, you should probably know where the money's going. Last week five companies were invited to bid for contracts to put Iraq's infrastructure back together following a war, and wouldn't you know it, one of those companies is a subsidiary of Halliburton Inc., Kellogg Brown Root. And Halliburton Inc.'s former CEO is Dick Cheney (they still send him a million dollars a year). It's the mother of all surprises. Perhaps this has something to do with the fact that Halliburton subsidiaries were rebuilding Iraq during the nineties (after Dick bombed them the first time) and it was obviously very profitable. Incidentally, Kellogg Brown Root has already won a contract with the government to salvage Iraq's oil fields on the off- chance that Saddam (or someone else, wink wink) blows them up. So here's what happens - Dick Cheney and friends start a war, and then send in their companies to clean up the mess they've created, making a huge profit which is passed on to you, the taxpayer. Figuring out how the Bush administration works yet? The White House Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. When your biggest ally is fighting tooth and nail for his political life, solely because of his support for the US, bashing him is probably not the best idea. But then the Bush administration isn't exactly winning awards for diplomacy right now, is it? A White House official said of the British prime minister last week that, Blair is hurting himself by dragging this out...It's not for Americans to tell British
Re: [CTRL] Freedom of speech (for Nazis?)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/27/2002 12:43:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why you would expect individual Jews to act in a moral maner than you would expect of others is beyond me. Strange you should think I do. I do not. There are few who measure up to my expectations. I seldom think of anyone's faith. I don't think that God (my version of course) will penalize anyone simply because they have failed to find just the right splinter group with which to worship. According to the Bible (Old Testament), God is capable of compassion. Why else did the Lord allow Abraham to sacrifice a ram instead of his son, Isaac? If there is any way in which man should attempt to emulate God, I opt for the development of more compassion. It might not give us an earthly paradise, but it would surely make the world a better place than it is now. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Freedom of speech (for Nazis?)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/22/2002 12:00:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm paraphrasing the little hen who said "Then I will eat it all by myself" and the ant who told the lazy grasshopper "Sorry bub." On a more serious note, I don't think Jews should find themselves again victim to the "Covet, Steal, Kill" pattern that was played out against them in Germany. Anything they get back should come back to them as it was. It would seem that the Jews are now the ones who play out that obscene pattern. And do you mean that someone will replace the orchards and the olive trees? Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Freedom of speech (for Nazis?)
-Caveat Lector- Prudy, I only speak for myself. I am in the unfortunate postion of having read both pro and con material and having researched the New Age movement. I cannot jump into the pro-Israel or anti- Israel points of view. I do not defend everything Israel has done, nor do I jump into defending the other side. It is very hard to meld the moral point of view with the reality of what is happening now. The actions of those who take a Palestinian activist role are not moral, though from a secular point of view it is necessary. The secular Jewish activities are not based on morality,but are based on necessit.If those who speak for the Orthodox Judaism morality could speak with the Muslim Orthodox morality, I think other than the sources of this morality, they might agree. This would be in major opposition of the secular views of boths sides. New Age leaders have made it a point of turning monotheists against each other to destroy all sides. From what I've seen, this is an attempt to destroy monotheistic morality. Prudy, the older I get, the less I am easily distracted by all of the peripheral issues. And yet, I am opposed to United Religions. The only thing I can see of value in the future is individuals who know they must remain true to the moral values of the monotheistic religions. Jews, Muslims or Christians who attempt to remain true to the moral beliefs while facing the immorality of the secular systems are under terrific pressure. This is more than the human system is expected to work thru. Where it will all end up I don't know. Why you would expect individual Jews to act in a moral maner than you would expect of others is beyond me. Moral Jews! Moral Muslims! Moral secularists! That's what it's all about. Organizations and individuals can claim to represent these positions, but each one of us must look at our individual positions and understand where we will stop and defend in the larger scheme of things. -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/22/2002 12:00:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm paraphrasing the little hen who said Then I will eat it all by myself and the ant who told the lazy grasshopper Sorry bub. On a more serious note, I don't think Jews should find themselves again victim to the Covet, Steal, Kill pattern that was played out against them in Germany. Anything they get back should come back to them as it was. It would seem that the Jews are now the ones who play out that obscene pattern. And do you mean that someone will replace the orchards and the olive trees? PrudyA HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. == == Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A == == To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To
[CTRL] Freedom of the Press Threatened by Zionists - Verizon Communications Suspected
-Caveat Lector- http://www.aztlan.net/verizon.htm "Freedom of the Press" Threaten by Zionists Verizon Communications Suspected in Conspiracy to Disrupt Internet Access to by Ernesto Cienfuegos La Voz de Aztlan Los Angeles, Alta California - September 23, 2002 - (ACN) Our readers and subscribers who have been with us since we first published our premiere issue on January 1, 2000 are well aware of the numerous attempts by Zionists to permanently silence La Voz de Aztlan. These extraordinary efforts by U.S. based, as well as by Israeli, Zionists are a consequence of our editorial policy that questions U.S. military aid to Israel provided for the purpose of enforcing the brutal occupation of Palestine. We are sad to report that their efforts to deny us our First Amendment Rights, as written in the U.S. Constitution, may have taken a more sinister approach. The cowardly attempts by the Zionists to silence us have each time escalated to the point that they have now become clearly criminal in nature. At first the attempts were out in the open and consisted in simply applying political pressure on our publisher and staff through the arm twisting of Mexican-American elected officials and of officials in national Mexican-American organizations to force them to issue condemnations against La Voz de Aztlan. This phase produced a strongly written letter from Los Angeles County Supervisor Gloria Molina, a nationally published condemnation by the National Counsel, Thomas Saenz, of the Mexican-American Legal Defense and Education Fund (MALDEF) and a condemnation published on the website of the National Council of La Raza (NCLR) authored by its National President Raul Yzaguirre. In addition, during this phase, the ADL of B'nai B'rith and the Zionist front organization called the Southern League Poverty Center (SLPC) published a series of lies against La Voz de Aztlan that were intended to destroy the credibility of our news and information service. The next phase of the Zionists' efforts to undermine La Voz de Aztlan consisted of utilizing their control of the media to continue their propagandizing against our publisher and our staff. Here in Los Angeles they hired two hispanic journalists to write three articles meant to discredit our news service in the eyes of our own community and to alert the Jewish community of our existence. These very negative articles against our publication by their lackey writers were published in the Jewish Journal of Greater Los Angeles, New Times of Los Angeles and in the OrangeCountyWeekly. The article that was published in the Jewish Journal included a Jewish fatwah against La Voz de Aztlan by the Rabbi Abraham Cooper. In addition, they paid a writer by the name of Joseph Farah to write a series of articles that were published on the Internet based WorldNetDaily that were intended to inflame the anger of Zionists in the USA and in Israel. The Zionist strategy to "demonize" La Voz de Aztlan in the minds of their fanatics, cyber terrorists and lackeys has worked in large measure because we are now the focus of vehemently hateful and vile criminal attacks by Zionist networks here in the USA and in Israel. There are now Zionist websites in Israel that list La Voz de Aztlan as a target for attack and we believe that this is one reason why our "system firewall" has detected numerous attempts to implant "trojan computer viruses" on our hard disk as well as numerous attempts to "hack" into our system. These attacks are designed to intimidate us, to frighten us and to terrorize us into silence. Some examples of the more vile and sinister attacks against our publisher and staff have been reported to the police but nothing has come of the investigations. The first was the mailing of a letter in an envelope that included a suspicious "yellowish powder" addressed to our publisher. The letter arrived during the "Anthrax Scare" and alluded to the "illustrious history of Jews in biological research". The second incident occurred when we received an e-mail with a picture (gif) attachment. The picture was of our publisher taken with a telescopic lens. It had been taken, unbeknownst to our publisher, a few days before and included a warning to "beware". Ever since the ADL of B'nai B'rith and the Zionist media has targeted La Voz de Aztlan, we have been the recipients of a steady barrage of hateful and extremely vile e-mail and other spam designed to harass us. We have fought back by installing a very effective "spam killing program" and by going after vulnerable Zionists that use their employers' e-mail servers to do their dirty work. One bigot from TRW Incorporated got fired when she was caught "in flagrante delicto" sending a threatening e-mail from her desk at TRW to La Voz de Aztlan. The same thing happened to another employee at, of all places, Lockheed Martin Corporation, the company that builds the F-16 fighter planes that are being utilized to bomb Palestinian civilians. Just
Re: [CTRL] Freedom of speech (for Nazis?)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/20/2002 9:43:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's not as if they were against Netanyahu because they didn't like the way he cut his hair and that's what the protest was about. Had Netanyahu wanted to talk about men's tonsorial issues, they might have wanted to hear him. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Freedom of speech (for Nazis?)
-Caveat Lector- (1) Yes. Thank you for your brilliant insight. Of course it is the parent's fault, not the Israeli soldiers who shoot live ammo into a peaceful demonstration of school children. Poor Israeli soldiers - yes, of course, they are the victims. (2) Of course. Those all powerful Palestinians have manuevered the 'one world antisemitic / antichristian government' to make sure they live in misery amidst rubble. Those all powerful Palestinians and their lacky one world government have tricked those poor Israelis into committing genocide against the Palestinians. 1. Did you take lessons in manipulative emotional propaganda or do you really see things in this light? It sure would explain why many politicians have staff skilled in mind control techniques. Orwell was sure right about 85 percent of the population. The only way to respond to your comments would be by posting emotional stories about Israel soldiers and the victims of terrorist bombing. Want to hear about the bus driver who was killed by the latest bomber and the family he left behind? It has nothing to do with the larger picture and is surely a diversion from facing the larger issues.. 2. The funding and direction for this operation comes top down. In Germany the potential and realization of something for nothing kept many Germans working with the system. The same promises work over and over again. If I had a say in the matter, I would make sure anything the Palestinians were to take over would be leveled to the ground before they ever touched any part of it and I would make sure they knew it was going to happen. They would know in advance that noting good will come of their actions now. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Freedom of speech (for Nazis?)
-Caveat Lector- If I had a say in the matter, I would make sure anything the Palestinians were to take over would be leveled to the ground before they ever touched any part of it and I would make sure they knew it was going to happen. They would know in advance that noting good will come of their actions now. Are you paraphrasing Goebbels or Himmler? flw A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Freedom of speech (for Nazis?)
-Caveat Lector- I'm paraphrasing the little hen who said Then I will eat it all by myself and the ant who told the lazy grasshopper Sorry bub. On a more serious note, I don't think Jews should find themselves again victim to the Covet, Steal, Kill pattern that was played out against them in Germany. Anything they get back should come back to them as it was. -Caveat Lector- If I had a say in the matter, I would make sure anything the Palestinians were to take over would be leveled to the ground before they ever touched any part of it and I would make sure they knew it was going to happen. They would know in advance that noting good will come of their actions now. Are you paraphrasing Goebbels or Himmler? flw A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Freedom of speech (for Nazis?)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/19/2002 11:07:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Your name calling is very much like the primitive response of the pro-Palestinian mob at Concordia. It is a common mistake to believe that people who are not pro-Israeli are pro-Palestinian. It does not mean anti-Semitic either. It simply means that ethnic cleansing is unpalatable no matter who does it. It means that the word terrorist should not be used only to describe Moslems. It means that they are older and have good memories. It means that might is not right--not even admirable--even when it wins the battle. As for the deaths of Palestinian children. Don't be concerned. They are now being systematically under-nourished. This method takes longer, but the world doesn't seem to mind as long as it is quiet. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Freedom of speech (for Nazis?)
-Caveat Lector- Good grief. Can't you allow reality to get in the way of a good cliche. The mob at Concordia was a pro-Palestinian mob. It's not as if they were against Netanyahu because they didn't like the way he cut his hair and that's what the protest was about. As far as the children starving to death, I think I missed the stories which told about Arafat's bankruptcy proceedings, the one which told how the money given to the Palestinians by the EU was returned on principle, the one about the lack of oil money to fund terrorists in the middle east, and the one about children slowly starving to death. I think you missed the one about towns that harbored terrorists being closed down for period of time. I also think you missed the story about the Israeli economy failing in a major because of those who support terrorists. I will concede that it is difficult for decent people to clear the terrorists out of their midst when their own people brutally kill anyone who is suspected of trying to stop the terrorists. By the way, did you catch the story about the build-up of the European Union military forces? Take a step back and see what that means for the US, Israel and the Palestinians. -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/19/2002 11:07:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Your name calling is very much like the primitive response of the pro-Palestinian mob at Concordia. It is a common mistake to believe that people who are not pro-Israeli are pro-Palestinian. It does not mean anti-Semitic either. It simply means that ethnic cleansing is unpalatable no matter who does it. It means that the word terrorist should not be used only to describe Moslems. It means that they are older and have good memories. It means that might is not right--not even admirable--even when it wins the battle. As for the deaths of Palestinian children. Don't be concerned. They are now being systematically under-nourished. This method takes longer, but the world doesn't seem to mind as long as it is quiet. Prudy A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Freedom of speech (for Nazis?)
-Caveat Lector- What kind of parents allow their children to be front lines against Israeli troops? People who want to use the decency of their opponents against their opponents. What kind of parents would permit their children to become soldiers that shoot school children? This same question was asked of the parents of WWII German soldiers. They know that the Israelis are not total barbarians. Unfortunately the schoolkids did not realize how barbaric the Israelis can be. Did any of the suicide terrorists note whether many Israeli children would be killed by their explosions? Targeting civilians is a crime, whether it is committed by Palestinian human bombers or Israeli bomber pilots who knowingly bomb civilian apartment complexes killing dozens of women and babies as happened just a few weeks ago. OTOH, perhaps some find it acceptable to bomb civilians as long as it is done by an F16. Guess it is more 'moral' to kill from a distance rather then become part of the gore. When will you castigate the Palestinian community for that? I cry for every child killed as a result of their community's actions. ThePalestinian children's trust in their parents and leadership is the reason for their death. I haven't done a search to see the other side of the story because I feel up to my eyeballs by Palestinian propaganda. Yes, those bad Palestinians should stop fighting against heartfelt Israeli racist colonialism. After all, Israel is merely carrying out a 2000 year old mandate of the Torah while those crazy Arabs are obsessed with religious fanaticism. Turn the other cheek and praise Allah. Like all good victims, when being raped, don't resist. Lie down and enjoy it - like the good Jews did in Germany. Don't act like those Warsaw Ghetto Jewish terrorists. Don't act like that terrorist Nelson Mandella who bombed civilians in his fight against Apartheid. Don't act like those old terrorists Begin and Sharon, the originators of 'ethnic cleansing'. I suspect the reason many American Jews are so incensed by the piddling coverage of the Palestinian plight compared to the overwhelming slanted pro- Israel US corporate media is that some semblance of a moral concience still lurks in the heart of some American Jews - although they are trying mighty hard to smother it in rationalization and self pity. Israeli state terrorism is not only in the process of committing genocide against the Palestinians - it is committing genocide against the very soul of the Israeli people and Jewish supporters worldwide. flw A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Freedom of speech (for Nazis?)
-Caveat Lector- What kind of parents would permit their children to become soldiers that shoot school children? This same question was asked of the parents of WWII German soldiers. Israeli soldiers are not just facing school children, they are facing the adults who put the children up front as barricades while they shoot from behind their children and from the building windows above. If Israeli soldiers were killing children wholesale, all of the children being used would be dead. Parents who let their children be used as barricades are the guilty ones. They know that the Israelis are not total barbarians. Unfortunately the schoolkids did not realize how barbaric the Israelis can be. The schoolchildren, like all children, trust their parents and leadership. They know a line of them will not be shot down. Nobody is teaching them that the dead don't care if they are heros and heroines after the confrontation stops. Did any of the suicide terrorists note whether many Israeli children would be killed by their explosions? Targeting civilians is a crime, whether it is committed by Palestinian human bombers or Israeli bomber pilots who knowingly bomb civilian apartment complexes killing dozens of women and babies as happened just a few weeks ago. OTOH, perhaps some find it acceptable to bomb civilians as long as it is done by an F16. Guess it is more 'moral' to kill from a distance rather then become part of the gore. What kind of men let their women and children be used as protection knowing that their weapons staches are subject to attack? No place full of women and children is attacked because it is only filled with women and children. Get a grip! War was declared on the Israelis. A government's job is to protect it's citizens from attack, and taking out terrorist cells is part of that job. When will you castigate the Palestinian community for that? I cry for every child killed as a result of their community's actions. ThePalestinian children's trust in their parents and leadership is the reason for their death. I haven't done a search to see the other side of the story because I feel up to my eyeballs by Palestinian propaganda. Yes, those bad Palestinians should stop fighting against heartfelt Israeli racist colonialism. After all, Israel is merely carrying out a 2000 year old mandate of the Torah while those crazy Arabs are obsessed with religious fanaticism. It's not religious fanaticism that is keeping this war going. Go read a few issues of Jane's. I suspect the reason many American Jews are so incensed by the piddling coverage of the Palestinian plight compared to the overwhelming slanted pro- Israel US corporate media is that some semblance of a moral concience still lurks in the heart of some American Jews - although they are trying mighty hard to smother it in rationalization and self pity. You're on line. Go read from both sides. In addition you might want to read that Jews here find the coverage slanted very much in favor of the Palestinians. Your poor Palestinian victims routine is a staple of the media which refuses to put out hard facts on what Palestinians are doing in the territories. Israeli state terrorism is not only in the process of committing genocide against the Palestinians - it is committing genocide against the very soul of the Israeli people and Jewish supporters worldwide. flw Like you really care about the Israelis or Jews worldwide!! Knowledgeable Jews know that this attack on them is the way being used to get them to buckle under to the New Age one world government which is antisemitic and antichristian to its marrow. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Freedom of speech (for Nazis?)
-Caveat Lector- Parents who let their children be used as barricades are the guilty ones. Yes. Thank you for your brilliant insight. Of course it is the parent's fault, not the Israeli soldiers who shoot live ammo into a peaceful demonstration of school children. Poor Israeli soldiers - yes, of course, they are the victims. Like you really care about the Israelis or Jews worldwide!! Knowledgeable Jews know that this attack on them is the way being used to get them to buckle under to the New Age one world government which is antisemitic and antichristian to its marrow. Of course. Those all powerful Palestinians have manuevered the 'one world antisemitic / antichristian government' to make sure they live in misery amidst rubble. Those all powerful Palestinians and their lacky one world government have tricked those poor Israelis into committing genocide against the Palestinians. BTW, it seems the real antisemites are the Israels - since the Palestinians are decendants of the original Semites. flw A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Freedom of speech (for Nazis?)
-Caveat Lector- Montreal protesters force cancellation of Netanyahu campus speech The scene as we exited was disgusting. Benches were overturned, papers and garbage streaked across the hallways, and broken windows. We were shoved outside directly into a HUGE Palestinian riot, where some of our people were apparently attacked. The cops did nothing. We stood on one side of the barrier, while they stood on the other, and we faced off. No surprise here. These same Netanyahu Groupies would be the first to scream, riot, and demonstrate if some old broken down German Nazi tried to speak. It is sad these whiners cannot see the irony in their complaints. The anti Netanyahu protestors were reacting to a racist murderous thug who calls for murder, genocide, and ethnic cleansing. A Nazi in all but name only. This Israeli Nazi is applauded by the decendants of those killed by the original Nazis. The best revenge of the rotting old Nazis is to see the children of their victims become their oppressors. These same Fascist loving hypocrites applauded when Yitshak Rabin's 'freedom of speech' was permanently eliminated. flw A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Freedom of speech (for Nazis?)
-Caveat Lector- It's a good idea to read carefully about the real world and not just try to tie things into one's preconceived notions. The violent rioters were the pro-Palestinian mob, who were brought in and may not have all been part of the university community. A search on the web indicated that there have been other pro and anti speaker situations that were calm. This was a one-sided riot that did not receive media attention. Mainstream media no longer does research on who started what and who funds what. Either it wasn't politically correct to report this or, as I have seen, while Jews and Israel get over proportional representation in the media, the reporting is biased against them. The alternative or independent media reported the situation as strictly pro-Palestinian and did not give details. The reporting in some Jewish media was closer to what the student reported. So, we get three different responses. The huge majority of Americans have no idea what happened there. The independent liberal media readers think that a non- violent, peaceful protest stopped the speaker and Jews who read the Jewish media get a picture of what they are up against here as well as in Israel. Your if comment is strictly speculation based on what you believe would happen. Your name calling is very much like the primitive response of the pro-Palestinian mob at Concordia. And yes, civilized people do back off when confronted with people who seem primitive and out of control, individually at least for a while. -Caveat Lector- Montreal protesters force cancellation of Netanyahu campus speech The scene as we exited was disgusting. Benches were overturned, papers and garbage streaked across the hallways, and broken windows. We were shoved outside directly into a HUGE Palestinian riot, where some of our people were apparently attacked. The cops did nothing. We stood on one side of the barrier, while they stood on the other, and we faced off. No surprise here. These same Netanyahu Groupies would be the first to scream, riot, and demonstrate if some old broken down German Nazi tried to speak. It is sad these whiners cannot see the irony in their complaints. The anti Netanyahu protestors were reacting to a racist murderous thug who calls for murder, genocide, and ethnic cleansing. A Nazi in all but name only. This Israeli Nazi is applauded by the decendants of those killed by the original Nazis. The best revenge of the rotting old Nazis is to see the children of their victims become their oppressors. These same Fascist loving hypocrites applauded when Yitshak Rabin's 'freedom of speech' was permanently eliminated. flw A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. == == Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A == == To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A
Re: [CTRL] Freedom of speech (for Nazis?)
-Caveat Lector- Sorry Charlie The violence was at the anti- Netanyahu protest. The protest against the Palestinian speaker was peaceful, and he was allowed to speak. Netanyahu , who is a dangerous rabid rightwing asshole, was not allowed to speak. If you don't let the Nazi's march in Skokie, you are a Nazi. on 9/19/02 2:05 PM, flw at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Montreal protesters force cancellation of Netanyahu campus speech The scene as we exited was disgusting. Benches were overturned, papers and garbage streaked across the hallways, and broken windows. We were shoved outside directly into a HUGE Palestinian riot, where some of our people were apparently attacked. The cops did nothing. We stood on one side of the barrier, while they stood on the other, and we faced off. No surprise here. These same Netanyahu Groupies would be the first to scream, riot, and demonstrate if some old broken down German Nazi tried to speak. It is sad these whiners cannot see the irony in their complaints. The anti Netanyahu protestors were reacting to a racist murderous thug who calls for murder, genocide, and ethnic cleansing. A Nazi in all but name only. This Israeli Nazi is applauded by the decendants of those killed by the original Nazis. The best revenge of the rotting old Nazis is to see the children of their victims become their oppressors. These same Fascist loving hypocrites applauded when Yitshak Rabin's 'freedom of speech' was permanently eliminated. flw A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om -- -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - - - - -- --- -- - - - - -- - - - -- -- - -- - He who does not prefer exile to slavery is not free by any measure of freedom, truth and duty. Kahil Gibran, Spirits Rebellious NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Freedom of speech (for Nazis?)
-Caveat Lector- Your if comment is strictly speculation based on what you believe would happen. Your name calling is very much like the primitive response of the pro-Palestinian mob at Concordia. And yes, civilized people do back off when confronted with people who seem primitive and out of control, individually at least for a while. Wow! The sanctimonious hyprocrisy is breathtaking. See below for a real example of interferring with freedom of speech: Friday, September 20, 2002 Tishrei 14, 5763 Israel Time: 04:36 (GMT+3) IDF kills 9-year-old in El Bireh http://www.haaretzdaily.com/ By Arnon Reguler Nine-year-old Abdel Salam Sumerin was killed yesterday when Israel Defense Forces troops used live fire to disperse a crowd of school children challenging the army's attempt to impose a curfew on the El Amari refugee camp, in El Bireh. In a separate, similar incident, a Palestinian girl was wounded in Kafr Usserin near Nablus after residents who have been under curfew for nearly two months confronted soldiers. The center of Nablus has been under absolute curfew for the last eleven days. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Freedom of speech (for Nazis?)
-Caveat Lector- What kind of parents allow their children to be front lines against Israeli troops? People who want to use the decency of their opponents against their opponents. If they believed that all of their children would be shot down, they wouldn't put their children in front of themselves. They know that the Israelis are not total barbarians. Did any of the suicide terrorists note whether many Israeli children would be killed by their explosions? No. When will you castigate the Palestinian community for that? I cry for every child killed as a result of their community's actions. The Palestinian children's trust in their parents and leadership is the reason for their death. I haven't done a search to see the other side of the story because I feel up to my eyeballs by Palestinian propaganda. -Caveat Lector- Your if comment is strictly speculation based on what you believe would happen. Your name calling is very much like the primitive response of the pro-Palestinian mob at Concordia. And yes, civilized people do back off when confronted with people who seem primitive and out of control, individually at least for a while. Wow! The sanctimonious hyprocrisy is breathtaking. See below for a real example of interferring with freedom of speech: Friday, September 20, 2002 Tishrei 14, 5763 Israel Time: 04:36 (GMT+3) IDF kills 9-year-old in El Bireh http://www.haaretzdaily.com/ By Arnon Reguler Nine-year-old Abdel Salam Sumerin was killed yesterday when Israel Defense Forces troops used live fire to disperse a crowd of school children challenging the army's attempt to impose a curfew on the El Amari refugee camp, in El Bireh. In a separate, similar incident, a Palestinian girl was wounded in Kafr Usserin near Nablus after residents who have been under curfew for nearly two months confronted soldiers. The center of Nablus has been under absolute curfew for the last eleven days. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. == == Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A == == To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Freedom of speech
-Caveat Lector- This story has received considerable attention in the Chronicle of Higher Education (but very little in other media). If you are an on-line subscriber, you can access several stories at: http://chronicle.com/weekly/v48/i24/24a03501.htm http://chronicle.com/weekly/v48/i29/29b01701.htm http://chronicle.com/weekly/v48/i07/07a05202.htm A news story and a student's report from Concordia University. Montreal protesters force cancellation of Netanyahu campus speech MONTREAL (CBC News) -- Former Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu cancelled a speech at Concordia University in Montreal on Monday, Sept. 9, after several hundred demonstrators managed to get into a university building. The demonstrators, who called Netanyahu anti-Palestinian and a terrorist, threw chairs and newspaper boxes at police, who were trying to evacuate the building where Netanyahu was supposed to speak. Netanyahu was not present. There was a long standoff between the pro-Palestinian demonstrators and the students who had come to hear Netanyahu speak. The demonstrators were pleased they had stopped him talking. There's no free speech for hate speech, said Palestinian activist David Battistuzzi. Netanyahu was Israel's prime minister from 1996 to 1999 as leader of the Likud Party. Earlier this year, Likud members voted against the establishment of a Palestinian state. Netanyahu was the driving force behind the motion. The following is from a student at the university. The student's name is not given here but the following was used elsewhere with permission This morning my friends and I set out to Concordia University, in the heart of downtown Montreal, to hear Benjamin Netanyahu speak. Many articles were featured in the Montreal papers leading up to today's speech, warning of protest action. I had a good idea of what we would face as we approached Concordia, but I could never have predicted what actually happened once we were there. To enter the building we had to make a giant circle around it, to get to the supposedly safe entrance. We had to walk right through a volatile protest of hundreds of Palestinians and their supporters in keffiyehs, with flags, screaming vitriolic hate. Once having run this gauntlet, we waited patiently outside the Bishop street entrance, held back at the gate by security and police. After about an hour they started admitting us inside, but it was too late because a huge group of Palestinian 'demonstrators' had appeared in our midst. I was fortunately right at the entrance, and as dozens of violent protesters pushed their way to the front, I tried to get through. Right next to me appeared the ringleader, who tried to push his way in. The cop in front of me . while pulling me through the gate at the same time. I rested against the wall and watched as at least a hundred (I think) red-and-green coloured protesters attacked the barriers and tried to get in. Riot cops appeared, dozens of them, and went to the gate as I and a few others were herded into the building. There was yelling and chanting, drumming and fighting going on outside the doors, with hundreds of our people stuck behind the gate being abused by hundreds of violent demonstrators. A few of us were waiting after the metal detectors for our friends to come through, when all of a sudden we heard loud chanting and yelling INSIDE the building. The riot cops came storming in and up the stairs beside us, and we began hearing fighting, crashing, yelling, punching. Chaos broke out and riot cops made us run for the door to the auditorium. I thought we were going to get killed, I swear. It was the scariest feeling, because I knew that these people wanted to hurt me and anyone who supports Israel or is Jewish. Once inside the auditorium, we were told to be patient as more people would drift in from the insanity outside. We waited inside for three hours, as the commotion outside grew increasingly loud. We could hear chanting and yelling, and the protesters began trashing the university building. The police tear gassed and pepper sprayed the entire building and outside, and we began to feel the effects if we stood too near the doors. After hoursof waiting, and bomb searches by RCMP sniffer dogs, we were informed that Bibi Netanyahu could not speak after all - too much danger to him and to us. This was an incredible disappointment and we were naturally upset. We, however, managed to maintain a kind of composure and instead of fighting, the 650 of us inside began to sing Hatikvah, the national anthem of the State of Israel. We sang peace chants and then just waited to be let out, in groups of 10, escorted by police. The scene as we exited was disgusting. Benches were overturned, papers and garbage streaked across the hallways, and broken windows. We were shoved outside directly into a HUGE Palestinian riot, where some of our people were apparently attacked. The cops did nothing. We stood on one side of the
[CTRL] Freedom fight in the Hague
FREEDOM ASSOCIATION SPECIAL BULLETIN
No.7
May 21, 2002
Tanic Has Discredited The Prosecution
With the cross-examination of Ratomir Tanic, one of the
key witnesses to the prosecution, Slobodan Milosevic has publicly exposed the
whole Hague indictment against him as a politically constructed one. Todays
final examination of this witness has shown that Tanic is not only inventing
things or talking as alleged participant of events he had found out in the
press, but also that he is a man once sentenced for robbery and a crook whose
statements are being publicly denied by almost everyone whose alleged associate
he had been.
Witness Tanic has only shown a capacity to construct
stories so that, when cornered with no valid reply, he calls upon his own
general evaluations, print errors or translation mistakes, etc. For instance,
when Milosevic reminded him that in his written statement he had mentioned that
round-tables were just fronts for real discussions (he meant Milosevics
policies on Kosovo, off-course), Tanic without hesitation responded that this
was the role of round-tables everywhere in the World.
A few times Tanic got into dead-end situations, when he
was forced to assert that his bosses were lying. He did that when Milosevic ran
a video tape, in which the president of New Democracy and current Interior
Minister of Serbia, Dusan Mihajlovic, said live on TV: Tanic had never
participated in making decisions or implementing them, but could have been only
an observer, as any other citizen.
We remind that Tanic almost always called upon his party
leader Mihajlovic, with whom he had allegedly directly participated in all
events regarding Kosovo and Metohia, since New Democracy has at the time been a
member of the ruling coalition. At a direct Milosevics question regarding
Mihajlovics statement mentioned above, Tanic replied that Mihajlovic is not
telling the truth now. The same pattern applied to former Serbian
Vice-Prime-minister Ratko Markovics or Serbian Renewal Movement leader Vuk
Draskovics denials of his affirmations. He finally complained that it seems
everyone has left him.
How reliable a witness Tanic may be before any legal
institution has been clearly put in evidence today, after Milosevic had
presented a certificate of the Belgrade District Court from May 17 of this year,
by which Ratomir Tanic was declared guilty on March 7, 1977 for hard robbery and
sentenced to a year and two months of imprisonment. On November 1 of the same
year the Serbian Supreme Court had this sentence changed to a 7 months
reclusion, and that one was final. At a direct question on that episode of his
life, Tanic tried to avoid answering directly, but after Milosevic insisted, he
admitted not recalling since it happened a long time ago. At a later question
by one of the Amici Curiae, Tanic replied there had been a minor punishment and
that he was young at the time. He also claimed not remembering what kind of
felony it had been.
For several times Tanics examination showed he had been
collaborator of a few Western intelligence services and that he had obviously
prepared his testimonial together with them. New Democracys vice-president,
Nebojsa Lekovic, confirms this, by stating that Tanic had never in any way
participated in negotiations with the Kosovo and Metohia Albanians and that he
had left the country because of having enormous unpaid debts, while he had now
accepted to testify for the money. Besides, the bookTanic had not
finished writing yet is financed by the British Intelligence Service, something
he himself confirmed after being asked by the Amici Curiae. He has as well
confirmed that he was receiving cash from these services with no written record,
and that the content of the book is exclusively about charges against Slobodan
Milosevic.
Today has started the testimonial of the forensic
expert ErichPackard,and it will be resumed tomorrow.
To join or help this struggle, visit:http://www.sps.org.yu/ (official SPS
website)http://www.belgrade-forum.org/ (forum
for the world of equals)http://www.icdsm.org/ (the international
committee to defend Slobodan Milosevic)http://www.jutarnje.co.yu/ ('morning news'
the only Serbian newspaper advocating
liberation)
[CTRL] 'Freedom, democracy and ... '
-Caveat Lector- From http://www.ahram.org.eg/weekly/2002/585/re63.htm }}}Begin Al-Ahram Weekly Online 9 - 15 May 2002 Issue No.585 Published in Cairo by AL-AHRAM established in 1875 Current issue | Previous issue | Site map 'Freedom, democracy and Israel' What Israeli atrocities? On Capitol Hill, it's only 'us' against 'them'. Thomas Gorgussian and Anayat Durrani, in Washington, report on the latest US-Israel love-in In a frenzied show of unquestioning bias, the US Congress has passed two resolutions affirming its solidarity with Israel. Both resolutions were passed with clear majorities, despite concerns by President George W Bush's administration that the resolutions may adversely affect Middle East peace efforts. The Democratic-led Senate, in a 94-2 vote, passed a resolution that effectively equated Israel with the United States in the war on terrorism, describing the two countries as fighting a common struggle against terrorism. The resolution condemns Palestinian suicide bombings and justifies Israeli incursions into Palestinian towns and refugee camps as being necessary steps to provide security to its people by dismantling the terrorist infrastructure in the Palestinian areas. The Senate resolution was co-sponsored by Joseph Lieberman, Democrat-Connecticut, and Gordon Smith, Republican-Oregon. Lieberman said the resolution places the Senate on record in support of Israel's right to self- defence. He continued, Israel has been under siege ... from a systematic and deliberate campaign of suicide and homicide attacks by terrorists. Their essence is identical to the attacks on our country of 11 September. Lieberman in recent weeks has demanded that the administration adopt a position characterised by moral clarity and follow Bush's anti- terrorism doctrine, which was applied in Afghanistan, in the case of Israel too. As President Bush said, 'You are either with us or you are with the terrorists.' Many observers of the antics on Capitol Hill believe that members of Congress are feeling pressure more than ever in the case of issues related to Israel. This pressure is not just from Jewish constituents, but from evangelical Christians as well. That's why you see these [pro-Israel] resolutions, a Republican aide said. Only senators Ernest Hollings, Democrat-South Carolina, and Robert Byrd, Democrat-West Virginia, voted against the resolution. Byrd said the resolution was a mistake and could inflame both sides instead of promoting peace. He called the resolution ill-timed, ill- advised and one-sided, and said it puts all the blame on the Palestinians and asks nothing from the Israelis. Where are the demands that Israel withdraw from Palestinian lands and cooperate in the establishment of a Palestinian state? Where is the denunciation of the destruction of homes and water lines and roads and basic infrastructure in Jenin and Nablus and elsewhere in the West Bank? Where is the expression of support for humanitarian and reconstruction aid to the innocent Palestinian victims of Israel's incursion into the West Bank? The resolution that the House of Representatives passed minutes later is longer and uses stronger language than the Senate resolution, condemning what it called the Palestinian campaign of terrorism and accusing Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat of supporting terrorism. The Republican-led House of Representatives passed the resolution by a 352-21 margin, with 29 abstaining. The resolution also calls for an increase to the already $3 billion in military aid the US annually gives to Israel -- already the largest recipient of US aid. The resolution contained strong words for Arafat, saying that the Palestinian leader continues to incite terror, and is not a viable partner for peace. It also mentioned that organisations under Arafat's control, such as the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, have murdered scores of innocent Israelis. The House resolution, which was sponsored by House Republican Whip Tom DeLay of Texas, states that, Israel's military operations are an effort to defend itself ... and are aimed only at dismantling the terrorist infrastructure in the Palestinian areas. The resolution also calls on all Arab states to declare their unqualified opposition to all forms of terrorism. Let every terrorist know, the American people will never abandon freedom, democracy or Israel, said House Majority Whip Tom DeLay, a Texas Republican who pushed the resolution along with Representative Tom Lantos of California, top Democrat on the House International Relations Committee. DeLay added that attacks against Israelis are attacks against liberty, and all free people must recognise that Israel's fight is our fight. Neither of the resolutions carry the force of legislation. They are, however, a symbolic show of the unqualified support of Congress for the state of Israel, and reveal the extent of House Majority Whip DeLay's influence and power. At the request of the White House, the original draft
[CTRL] Freedom or Government?
-Caveat Lector- http://members.aol.com/vlntryst/wn106.html excerpted from: Whole Number 106 - October 2000 Freedom or Government? by Harry Hoiles The other day we received a letter in wich the writer stated that in his opinion the choice was between government and anarchy. He asked what we proposed in place of government and we said that we proposed freedom. Government by its very nature must govern. To govern is to dictate. All governments are dictatorships of one form or another. They may be one-man dictatorships, constitutional dictatorships, dictatorships in republican or democratic form, majority rule dictatorships, dictatorships by bureau or what have you. But the fact remains that to govern is to dictate. The alternative to government is freedom. The individual who believes in freedom does not seek to govern others. He merely wants to govern himself. He is perfectly willing to let other people govern themselves also. Ah, but what about the criminals who would aggress against people who would be helpless without the protection of government? say those who are afraid of freedom. In the first place, the criminals are a small proportion of the population. We do need protection from criminals but we should recognize the size of the problem and not blow it up out of all proportion as is done when we organize our whole society around an agency (government) whose only [alleged] legitimate function is to protect us from the small proportion of the population who are criminals. If criminals were more than a small proportion of the population, it would be impossible to protect the rest of the population from them anyway. As big as the government now is, it, or any agency its size, could not prote ct innocent people from criminals if criminals represented a large proportion of the population. Most people by nature are not criminals. Most people do not seek to aggress against others. People are not naturally thieves, murderers, rapists, etc. They are naturally peaceful and harmless. This is the nature of things as they are. The nature of government is to govern, to dictate to everyone in its sphere of influence. Since government dictates to everyone in its sphere of influence and since most people are peaceful and harmless, most government a ctions involve dictation to peaceful, harmless people. This is the nature of government and this is the nature of people. Is this what any thinking person wants? Do we want dictatorship be it by a sole dictator, an oligarchy, a president, a legislature, a government, a county commission, a city council, the school board in a school district, or the majority in any political area? Or do we want freedom? That is the question of our age. Either we want dictatorship, which we now have in every governing body constituting our government, or we want freedom. Freedom by its very nature is not government. It is self-control, no more no less. Editor's note: This is only part of the story. For the balance of it, read the ensuing editorial entitled: Protection by Voluntary Means. Protection By Voluntary Means by Harry Hoiles In the foregoing editorial we discussed the idea of freedom or government. We suggest that you read that editorial before proceeding. But how about the criminals? those who are afraid of freedom again ask. In answering this let's make two observations. First, as stated above, this is a much smaller problem than is generally recognized. And it would be even smaller were it not for the fact that mankind has sanctioned government power to such an extent that power in itsel f has thus been sanctioned. By sanctioning government power, mankind has increased the tacit acceptance of power as a means to an end. The criminal believes that the end justifies the means. The increased acceptance of po wer as a means to an end leads to increased criminality. This is a logical inevitable development of mankind's acceptance of government power as a means to an end. Second, power attracts criminals. The bigger government gets, the more power it has, the more criminals are attracted to get in government and use this power for their [own] benefit. This is the nature of things. Therefore, the size of the criminal problem is increased in two ways by mankind's acceptance of government. One, the sanction of government power increases the sanction of power per se, and causes lack of recognition of a buses of power. Two, the existence of government power attracts the criminal and makes it possible for him to do much more harm than he could without this power. Remove mankind's sanction of government power and the problem of criminality would be greatly reduced. Another factor which would cause this reduction is increasing individual responsibility. Government today, far from claiming only to protect the individual from criminals has become a great factor in penalizing the productive and rewarding the non-productive. As
[CTRL] Freedom From Religion
-Caveat Lector- From http://www.ffrf.org/news/fwvictory.html Hot Linques at bottom of article at site }}}Begin P.O. Box 750, MADISON, WI 53701 Contact: Annie Laurie Gaylor Phone: (608) 256-5800 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FFRF Wins First Court Victory in Nation against Faith-Based Funding Federal Court Halts Public Funding of Faith Works January 9, 2002 The Freedom From Religion Foundation's legal challenge of direct, unrestricted taxpayer funding of a faith-based social service agency has resulted in the first court decision in the nation against public funding of faith-based initiatives. In a decision announced this week, U.S. District Judge Barbara Crabb, for the Western District of Wisconsin, found that a public grant to Faith Works constitutes unrestricted, direct funding of an organization that engages in religious indoctrination and that the funding stream violates the establishment clause. The case is nationally significant as the first challenge of funding under faith-based initiatives to be adjudicated, and the first such challenge to be won, noted Foundation president Anne Gaylor. It is not the business of 'We the People' to be proselytizing and recruiting members for churches. When you read Faith Works' statement of purpose, you can see that it's all about religion. The program is drenched with r eligion, she added. For a private program to operate that way is fine. Go right ahead, but don't expect public taxpayers to proselytize for you. Faith Works received national exposure when George W. Bush as a candidate made a campaign stop on July 18, 2000, at the convent rented by Faith Works, singling the religious ministry out as the type of program he intended to promote as president. Faith Works runs a longterm residential treatment program for male addicts. In a 68-page decision, Crabb granted summary judgment to the Foundation, halting funding to the faith-based agency through the Wisconsin Department of Workforce Development. Two-thirds of Faith Works revenues come from pu blic funding, with $600,000 awarded from the governor's discretionary funds through the federal Temporary Assistance to Needy Families block grant. In grant proposals, Faith Works claimed its success was based on its faith- based approach as well as its longterm program. Then-Gov. Tommy Thompson made the unrestricted awards to the start-up Milwaukee group in 1998 and 1999. Faith Works did not open its doors until December 1999, had no track record in Wisconsin, and could not have begun operations without prior public commitments of money, noted Crabb in her decision. Faith Works requires men enrolled in its program to attend onsite faith- enhanced Alcoholics Anonymous counseling. Chapel and bible studies are part of the routine schedule. One of its goals is to find a spiritual mento r for each man and church affiliation and membership. Cited goals are: recovery, employment, family services, and spiritual enrichment. The Faith Works Standards of Practice states: We are as individuals to be growing in our own faith life by regular church attendance, prayer, Bible study and seeking Spiritual direction from a Pastor/Shepard [sic] in our faith community. Staff meetings begin with prayer. Faith Works staff are expected to attend church and develop a personal relationship with God. In guidelines to staff, Faith Works describes itself as a Christian faith-based treatment program, . . . serving the Lord in evangelistic outreach and instructs staff to respect the Holy spirit's ability to work in each person's life whether staff or resident. Faith Works' employee handbook contains a Statement of Faith in the Christian principles guiding the organization: AA . . .stops short of recommending Christ to all. However, at Faith Works we do. Crabb found that the allocation of direct funding violates the second prong of the Lemon-Agostini Test by resulting in state-funded indoctrination: As its name suggests, Faith Works is a faith-based treatment program who se bylaws state that it employs a Christian-enhanced model of the Alcoholics Anonymous 12-step program. Crabb wrote: Faith Works' version of AA involves more explicit references to God than the standard AA. . . . The Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit has held that the content of traditional AA meetings is religious as a matter of law even when the meetings did not employ a 'Christian- enhanced' model such as the one Faith Works uses. Faith Works, which intervened to become a co-defendant, tried to argue that it received enough private funding to cover the religious counseling it offered. Crabb rejected this argument: The Supreme Court has systematica lly rejected attempts to unbundle religious activities through statistics and accounting. Crabb added: Defendants neglect to point out that they used the integration of religion into Faith Works' recovery model as a strong selling point for obtaining funding. . . . Faith Works
[CTRL] Freedom of Information Act
-Caveat Lector- http://www.sfgate.com/cgi- bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2002/01/06/ED125108.DTL www.sfgate.com Return to regular view EDITORIALS On the Public's Right to Know The day Ashcroft censored Freedom of Information Sunday, January 6, 2002 ©2002 San Francisco Chronicle URL: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi- bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2002/01/06/ED125108.DTL THE PRESIDENT DIDN't ask the networks for television time. The attorney general didn't hold a press conference. The media didn't report any dramatic change in governmental policy. As a result, most Americans had no idea that one of their most precious freedoms disappeared on Oct. 12. Yet it happened. In a memo that slipped beneath the political radar, U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft vigorously urged federal agencies to resist most Freedom of Information Act requests made by American citizens. Passed in 1974 in the wake of the Watergate scandal, the Freedom of Information Act has been hailed as one of our greatest democratic reforms. It allows ordinary citizens to hold the government accountable by requesting and scrutinizing public documents and records. Without it, journalists, newspapers, historians and watchdog groups would never be able to keep the government honest. It was our post-Watergate reward, the act that allows us to know what our elected officials do, rather than what they say. It is our national sunshine law, legislation that forces agencies to disclose their public records and documents. Yet without fanfare, the attorney general simply quashed the FOIA. The Department of Justice did not respond to numerous calls from The Chronicle to comment on the memo. So, rather than asking federal officials to pay special attention when the public's right to know might collide with the government's need to safeguard our security, Ashcroft instead asked them to consider whether instit utional, commercial and personal privacy interests could be implicated by disclosure of the information. Even more disturbing, he wrote: When you carefully consider FOIA requests and decide to withhold records, in whole or in part, you can be assured that the Department of Justice will defend your decisions unless they lack a sound legal basis or present an unwarranted risk of adverse impact on the ability of other agencies to protect other important records. Somehow, this memo never surfaced. When coupled with President Bush's Nov. 1 executive order that allows him to seal all presidential records since 1980, the effect is positively chilling. In the aftermath of Sept. 11, we have witnessed a flurry of federal orders designed to beef up the nation's security. Many anti-terrorist measures have carefully balanced the public's right to know with the government's r esponsibility to protect its citizens. Who, for example, would argue against taking detailed plans of nuclear reactors, oil refineries or reservoirs off the Web? No one. Almost all Americans agree that the nation's security is our highest priority. Yet half the country is also worried that the government might use the fear of terrorism as a pretext for protecting officials from public scrutiny. Now we know that they have good reason to worry. For more than a quarter of a century, the Freedom of Information Act has ratified the public's right to know what the government, its agencies and its officials have done. It has substituted transparency for secrecy and we, as a democracy, have benefited from the truths that been extracted from public records. Consider, for example, just a few of the recent revelations -- obtained through FOIA requests -- that newspapers and nonprofit watchdog groups have been able to publicize during the last few months: -- The Washington-based Environmental Working Group, a nonprofit organization, has been able to publish lists of recipients who have received billions of dollars in federal farm subsidies. Their Web site, www.ewg.org, has not only embarrassed the agricultural industry, but also allowed the public to realize that federal money -- intended to support small family farmers -- has mostly enhanced the profits of large agricultural corporations. -- The Charlotte Observer has been able to reveal how the Duke Power Co., an electric utility, cooked its books so that it avoided exceeding its profit limits. This creative accounting scheme prevented the utility from gi ving lower rates to 2 million customers in North Carolina and South Carolina. -- USA Today was able to uncover and publicize a widespread pattern of misconduct among the National Guard's upper echelon that has continued for more than a decade. Among the abuses documented in public records are the i nflation of troop strength, the misuse of taxpayer money, incidents of sexual harassment and the theft of life-insurance payments intended for the widows and children of Guardsmen. -- The National Security Archive, a private
[CTRL] Freedom At War With [Fear At War With] Freedom
-Caveat Lector- From http://www5.law.com/lawcom/displayid.cfm?statename=DCdocnum=102784ta ble=newsflag=full }}}Begin January 4, 2002 Points of View Do We Fear Freedom? Our rights are not abstract By Robert Corn-Revere Legal Times The war against terrorism is a war to preserve freedom, we are told. The president explained that the terrorists hate us for our freedoms -- our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to vote and assemble and disagree with each other. But even as he spoke, the Federal Bureau of Investigation was rounding up an undisclosed number of people for indeterminate periods of detention, and the attorney general has refused to release any substantive information on the practices. In defending these and other actions before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Dec. 6, Attorney General John Ashcroft claimed that those who ask whether we are sacrificing too much freedom only aid terrorists, for they erode our national unity and diminish our resolve. If irony is not dead, it surely is on life support. In a two-week period in October, the Justice Department announced a policy authorizing the interception of attorney-client conversations with detainees, a program of profiling and interviewing thousands of Arab men, and t he creation of secret military tribunals to try immigrants and other foreigners suspected of terrorism. More significant than these executive actions was Congress' passage of the anti-terrorism bill -- the USA Patriot Act -- signed by President George W. Bush on Oct. 26. While some parts of the act provided needed adjustmen ts to the law, its far-reaching provisions affect the rights of all citizens, and not just terrorism suspects. For example, the act minimizes judicial supervision of telephone and Internet surveillance, expands the govern ment's ability to conduct secret searches, and gives the attorney general and the secretary of state the power to designate domestic groups as terrorist organizations. The law also gives the FBI broad access to sensitiv e medical, financial, mental health, and educational records about individuals without having to show evidence of a crime and without a court order. It could have been worse, and may yet be so. An initial draft of the anti- terrorism bill would have suspended the right of habeas corpus for all terrorist suspects. Looking forward, Ashcroft reportedly is considering a p lan to enable the FBI to spy on domestic religious and political organizations if they are suspected of having ties to terrorists. Various proponents have called for the creation of a national ID card, and there has even been talk of permitting torture. Dangerous Precedent For some, such as Rep. John Conyers Jr. (D-Mich.) and columnist William Safire, the response to Sept. 11 recalls episodes in U.S. history -- Lincoln's suspension of habeas corpus, the trampling of free speech during World War I, the internment of Japanese-Americans during World War II, anti- communist witch-hunts of the McCarthy period, J. Edgar Hoover's obsession with dissident groups -- in which the rule of constitutional law broke down . Others see past examples of extreme actions as supporting precedent that allows aggressive action by the government even if it entails a loss of civil liberties. One such person is respected jurist Richard Posner. The 7th Circuit judge wrote in the December issue of The Atlantic Monthly that civil liberties should be curtailed, to the extent that the benefits in greater security outweigh the costs in reduced liberty. All that can reason ably be asked of Congress and the courts, he argued, is that they weigh the costs as carefully as the benefits. Yet it is not at all clear that the benefits have been carefully assessed. Eight former high-ranking FBI officials, including former Director William Webster, told The Washington Post in November that the newly adopted ta ctics, such as rounding up large numbers of detainees, are both ineffective and counterproductive. Noting that the bureau prevented 131 terrorist attacks between 1981 and 2000, Webster said, We did it without all the sug gestions that we are going to jump all over the people's private lives, if that is what the current attorney general wants to do. I don't think we need to go that direction. Some (and not just the cynics) have suggested that part of the demand for new anti-terrorism authority comes more from the belief that the time is ripe to win concessions than from a conviction that such measures will sto p terrorism. A senior U.S. official quoted in the Post noted that a lot of this is not being driven by problems that prosecutors or investigators are having. It is just a good time to get everything. It is totally politi cally and public- perception-driven. And all of the polling data appear to support this political calculus. A recent ABC News/Washington Post survey found that 86 percent of the respondents support the
Re: [CTRL] Freedom At War With Fear - What is the First Freedom?
-Caveat Lector- To my mind the first freedom or right, fundamental to all others, is the right to keep what one earns with one's labor. (Labor is the source of all wealth/property and is itself a form of intangible property).The Founding Fathers seemed to be of this mind also - I have read that the Founders originally wrote life, liberty, and the pursuit of property. If one is impoverished, the other freedoms matter little - one has no power to exercise or defend them. Today, most people work all their lives and yet accumulate little or no wealth. Each year, year after year, over half of our earnings are taken by confiscatory taxation and by inflation [central banks like the Fed being engines for the covert transfer of wealth (primarily via inflation, which effects not a LOSS but rather a TRANSFER of value, FROM the sellers of labor/holders of intrinsically worthless fiat currency TO the buyers of labor/ holders of capital (tangible wealth)]. By increasing or decreasing the amount of fiat money in circulation, relative to goods, the Fed manipulates its value at will. Over time, the value of the dollar falls. We call this inflation. (It is possible to have an inflation free monetary unit - which is, one with intrinsic value, such as gold or silver, or paper notes backed by same). Wage increases do not keep up with the rate of inflation. Over time, this means that our labor is gradually worth less and less. (This all impacts the poorer people/lowest wage earners the most grievously.) Hence the falling standard of living (evidence of which are the relatively new phenomena of homeless families and street beggars). One goal of the globalist masters, I have read, is to lower the standard of living in the US other industrialized nations. Poor people are easier to control. Molli -Caveat Lector- From http://www5.law.com/lawcom/displayid.cfm?statename=DCdocnum =102784ta ble=newsflag=full }}}Begin January 4, 2002 Points of View Do We Fear Freedom? Our rights are not abstract By Robert Corn-Revere Legal Times The war against terrorism is a war to preserve freedom, we are told. The president explained that the terrorists hate us for our freedoms -- our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to vote and assemble and disagree with each other. But even as he spoke, the Federal Bureau of Investigation was rounding up an undisclosed number of people for indeterminate periods of detention, and the attorney general has refused to release any substantive information on the practices. In defending these and other actions before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Dec. 6, Attorney General John Ashcroft claimed that those who ask whether we are sacrificing too much freedom only aid terrorists, for they erode our national unity and diminish our resolve. If irony is not dead, it surely is on life support. In a two-week period in October, the Justice Department announced a policy authorizing the interception of attorney-client conversations with detainees, a program of profiling and interviewing thousands of Arab men, and t he creation of secret military tribunals to try immigrants and other foreigners suspected of terrorism. More significant than these executive actions was Congress' passage of the anti-terrorism bill -- the USA Patriot Act -- signed by President George W. Bush on Oct. 26. While some parts of the act provided needed adjustmen ts to the law, its far-reaching provisions affect the rights of all citizens, and not just terrorism suspects. For example, the act minimizes judicial supervision of telephone and Internet surveillance, expands the govern ment's ability to conduct secret searches, and gives the attorney general and the secretary of state the power to designate domestic groups as terrorist organizations. The law also gives the FBI broad access to sensitiv e medical, financial, mental health, and educational records about individuals without having to show evidence of a crime and without a court order. It could have been worse, and may yet be so. An initial draft of the anti- terrorism bill would have suspended the right of habeas corpus for all terrorist suspects. Looking forward, Ashcroft reportedly is considering a p lan to enable the FBI to spy on domestic religious and political organizations if they are suspected of having ties to terrorists. Various proponents have called for the creation of a national ID card, and there has even been talk of permitting torture. Dangerous Precedent For some, such as Rep. John Conyers Jr. (D-Mich.) and columnist William Safire, the response to Sept. 11 recalls episodes in U.S. history -- Lincoln's suspension of habeas corpus, the trampling of free speech during World War I, the internment of Japanese-Americans during World War II, anti- communist witch-hunts of the McCarthy period, J. Edgar Hoover's obsession with dissident groups -- in which the rule of constitutional law broke
[CTRL] Freedom vs. Fear
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! âFreedom vs. Fearâ Bush to Address Nation on War on Terrorism; WTC Missing Numbers Rises Sept. 20 â President Bush plans to tell the nation and Congress televised speech that freedom and fear are at war, while the number of missing and presumed dead at the World Trade Center site in New York City today shot up to 6,333. In his speech, which begins at 9 p.m. ET, Bush will tell Americans the nation is awakened to danger and called to defend freedom and will warn foreign governments, either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists, according to excerpts released from the White House. We will direct every resource at our command â every means of diplomacy, every tool of intelligence, every instrument of law enforcement, every financial influence and every necessary weapon of war â to the disruption and defeat of the global terror network, according to the excerpts. As the president prepared his address, New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani announced the grave news this afternoon that the number of missing and presumed dead in the collapse of the World Trade Center towers has risen to 6,333. The previous estimate was 5,422. More than 6,000 were also injured there, he said. Earlier today, Bush rejected the suggestion of Islamic clerics in Afghanistan that the Taliban invite Osama bin Laden to leave the country voluntarily, when he wishes. The Bush administration had demanded that bin Laden be turned over to the United States to face charges that he was involved in last week's terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. We want action, not just statements, Secretary of State Colin Powell said today. The sooner he leaves and is brought to justice the better off I think the world will be. The Taliban has said it wants evidence linking bin Laden to the horrific attacks in New York and Washington on Sept. 11, but State Department officials say there is already ample evidence proving the exiled Saudi is involved in terrorist activity. A U.N. resolution passed last year on the 1998 bombings of two U.S. embassies in Africa said that bin Laden should be turned over to face justice. He has also been linked to the attack on the USS Cole in Yemen. Meanwhile, about 100 U.S. warplanes prepare to leave for the region as part of a U.S. operation tentatively dubbed Infinite Justice. The name of the mission still awaits White House approval. Government sources said the order calls for several dozen B-52 and B-1 bombers, plus intelligence-gathering aircraft to be in the region by Sept. 24 or Sept. 25. List of National Guard and Reserve units mobilized. Clerics: U.S. Attack Would Start Holy War The council of clerics, convened by Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar, also said a holy war should be declared on the United States â and any nation that aids it â if an attack is launched on Afghanistan. Omar has said he would abide by the decision of the clerics. Some reports say the reclusive leader is close to bin Laden. The clerics also asked that the United Nations and Organization of the Islamic Conference investigate allegations that bin Laden played a role in the attacks. Meanwhile, a report in the London Times said the United States and Britain are finalizing plans for what could be a 10-year battle against terrorists. According to the report, allied nations would not invade Afghanistan, D-Day style, or stage a Gulf War-type of attack. Instead, it would be a concentrated battle designed to capture or destroy terrorists and their facilities, as well as put political and economic pressure on nations that support them. Building International Support The military movement authorized Wednesday is the strongest sign yet of U.S. resolve to hunt down bin Laden and his organization in Afghanistan following the Sept. 11 attacks. Bush and Powell continue to talk with foreign leaders to build international support for striking at bin Laden and other suspected terrorists. According to the White House, Bush will make clear tonight that the U.S. fight is against terrorist extremists, not against all Muslims in America and throughout the world. The enemy of American is not our many Muslim friends; it is not our many Arab friends. Our enemy is a radical network of terrorists and every government that supports them, Bush plans to say. Saudi Arabia pledged its support today to help the United States fight terrorism. The message came from Foreign Minister Saud al-Faisal, who met with Bush at the White House. Bush is also scheduled to meet with British Prime Minister Tony Blair later today, while Powell has meetings scheduled with the foreign ministers of China and Italy on Friday. China has been sending mixed messages about American moves in response to the attacks on New York and Washington. We will be listening very closely to the Chinese when we meet them on Friday to determine exactly what
Re: [CTRL] Freedom of Information
-Caveat Lector- It's spooky all right. Still, a trip to the library might gain you some info. Unless they've placed all the newspapers under lock and key. Prudy A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Freedom of Information
-Caveat Lector- I guess I will have to do that now; the article was about teenage neo-nazi's living in an afluent community who beat, shot at, and robbed migrant workers in their 60's in San Deigo County, who were minding their own business and picking crops. Then I noticed a post here about blacks beating migrant workers. That was NOT the incident I was refering to. I wonder if someone counted the number of times non-whites are harrassed by conservatives, vs the number of times non-whites are harrassed by other non-whites...what do you think? Jeanne - Original Message - From: Prudence L. Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Freedom of Information -Caveat Lector- It's spooky all right. Still, a trip to the library might gain you some info. Unless they've placed all the newspapers under lock and key. Prudy A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Freedom of Information
I have been searching for info on past news articles and nothing is coming up in any of the search engines regarding the beating and robbery of aged migrant workers by teenage members of a hate group from Carmel Mountain Ranch. I have searched many metaengines and news resourcesites, etc. This is interesting as there was a lot of news coverage regarding this a couple of years ago. I went to the San Diego Union Tribune's website to search the archives and found the following message: FROM THE SAN DIEGO UNION TRIBUNE WEBSITE ARCHIVES: "Because of a legal challenge to newspapers' rights to place some older articles in their electronic archives, The San Diego Union-Tribune has barred access to all of the archive's contents created prior to January 1, 2000. When the legal challenge is resolved or technical strategies are devised to block display of only the challenged articles, the pre-2000 contents of the archive may be restored." http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/sandiego/index.html Shades of 1984? Jeanne
Re: [CTRL] Freedom of Information
Sounds like it may be a unionized attack from the journalists? - Original Message - From: Jeanne S To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have been searching for info on past news articles and nothing is coming up in any of the search engines regarding the beating and robbery of aged migrant workers by teenage members of a hate group from Carmel Mountain Ranch. I have searched many metaengines and news resourcesites, etc. This is interesting as there was a lot of news coverage regarding this a couple of years ago. I went to the San Diego Union Tribune's website to search the archives and found the following message: FROM THE SAN DIEGO UNION TRIBUNE WEBSITE ARCHIVES: "Because of a legal challenge to newspapers' rights to place some older articles in their electronic archives, The San Diego Union-Tribune has barred access to all of the archive's contents created prior to January 1, 2000. When the legal challenge is resolved or technical strategies are devised to block display of only the challenged articles, the pre-2000 contents of the archive may be restored." http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/sandiego/index.html Shades of 1984? Jeanne
[CTRL] Freedom Of Kosher Speech
http://www.mediamonitors.net/index.html Freedom of "Kosher" Speech The Journey of an Arab American and His Letter by Mohamed Khodr As an Arab American and a Muslim I was ashamed that for years I had avoided any involvement on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict whether locally or by contacting my Congressmen or the media. I was afraid that if I spoke up that I would somehow face retaliation by some Jewish or Zionist person or organization. I was afraid of losing my job, having someone hurt my family or home, or of being shunned in my community as an "Anti-Semite." I've heard of horror stories of these people calling your home with threats, sending insulting or threatening emails, calling people's bosses and intimidating them by involving the fearsome Anti-Defamation League. I mean, if Americans are afraid to speak out against Israel why should I, right? Even the President, Congress, Law Enforcement and the media are afraid of them. I also heard that they even killed an Arab American Professor in California and that the Anti-Defamation League was allegedly involved in stealing files on any American who dares speak out against Israel. I've always understood that Americans no matter who they are truly fear the Jewish lobby and don't want to be labeled as "Anti-Semites." Even American Jews are afraid of the zealot Zionist Jews. For God's sake if the entire world won't speak out against Israel's killing of civilians with F-16's who am I to tread into such dangerous waters. Even 1.3 Billion Muslims worldwide and 7 Million American Muslims are afraid to do anything so why should I, right.. Why should I get involved? I mean, Arabs and Muslims don't trust each other, they are jealous and envious of each other and don't want anything good to happen for each other. The Arab/Muslim leaders are a bunch of crooks who are afraid to even sit in their own chair (do you notice that all of them have a soldier standing behind them in meetings), in their own palaces, in their own capital because they are afraid of their own military, their own government, and their own people. Most Muslim countries are busy spending their wealth on weapons to kill their own people or fight border wars. I don't even see them pray except on holidays in front of the cameras. Even Muslim businesses treat Muslims with poor customer service and disrespect unlike the respect they show other Americans. So why bother. If no one cares, why should I care. I left my own country to find peace, security, and a job. I wanted to be in a country where the individual is worth something, where freedoms of religion and speech are guaranteed, where all citizens are treated equally under the law. But then something happened to me one night while watching the news. I saw a man my age shouting and motioning his arm to Israeli soldiers to stop shooting while his other arm was fiercely protecting his 12 year old son. Awesome fear was on their faces as they tried hiding behind some kind of barrel. Within seconds I saw bullets strike the boys legs and the fathers shoulder. The father desperately pulling his son to his side shielding him with his wounded thin body. More bullets into the boy. The boy's face was screaming and crying with pain. More bullets. This time blood gushed out of the boy's abdomen and he slumped onto his father's right lap--dead. The father was also shot repeatedly in the chest. His head swirled while his right hand still laid on the boy's shoulder. He lost consciousness. An ambulance driver rushed to help them but he too was cut down in the middle of the road. Another driver tried to help but was severely wounded. As I stared in shock I couldn't help but wonder how many times the little boy had put his head on his father's lap and slept. How comforting for him to feel his father's hand before he slept forever. Sleep, Muhammad, sleep sweet prince, sweet son, sweet child of Palestine. You are in peace while your parents, siblings, neighbors, and country still live in the hell called the "territories." My wife snapped me out of my daze crying. "You know", she says, "you and I and every Muslim, Arab, Christian, or Jew who wants peace paid for those American made bullets and rifles that killed the little boy. I don't know what to do or how to help. Please, God, help us do something." I couldn't sleep that night reliving the murder of a little boy and hearing my wife's words over and over. The next morning I turned on the TV to see what they would say about the boy's death. Only CNN mentioned it. They had a Middle East "expert" who said the boy's death was tragic but that the Israeli forces are reporting that the boy died in a "crossfire" and most probably was killed by mistake by Palestinians. He also mentioned that the boy was involved in stone throwing and endangering the lives of Israeli soldiers prior to his death. I went to the internet
[CTRL] Freedom Conference Set to Address U.N. Agenda
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Hi, THIS IS GREAT. You just might want to pass on your comments, to the United Nations ay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Semper fi; Dave Friday, July 6, 2001 1:19 p.m. EDT Freedom Conference Set to Address U.N. Agenda Next week St. Louis will host the Freedom 21 National Conference 2001, a forum of dynamic conservatives who hope to raise awareness about the United Nations' U.N. Agenda 21 Project. Though most Americans are likely unfamiliar with the U.N. proposal, critics say it poses a clear and present danger to the American way of life. U.N. Agenda 21 is a clever attempt to undermine U.S. sovereignty through the back door, they argue, using environmental issues, gun control and fears about global overpopulation to enhance the powers of an international court system that would supersede local jurisdictions. At next week's conference, Freedom 21 organizers say they'll offer workshops featuring concrete plans to combat the growing U.N. threat, as well as a star-studded cast of speakers to explain the dangers of U.N. Agenda 21. Featured speakers will include Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, Congress' most outspoken U.N. critic, and Rep. Jo Ann Emerson, R-Mo., a congressional champion of property rights who participated in the Kyoto and Hague environmental negotiations. Phyllis Schlafly, president of Eagle Forum and longtime crusader for conservative causes, will be on hand as well as John Fund, the voice of the Wall Street Journal editorial page. Also slated to appear is Daniel New, father of Michael New, the U.S. Army soldier who refused to submit to U.N. command and was court-martialed for his courage, as well as Kent Snyder of the Liberty Study Committee. Diane Alden, one of NewsMax.com's most incisive pundits, will address the Freedom 21 conference on the adverse influence of current environmental policy. The conference kicks off Thursday, July 12, at the St. Louis airport Marriott and runs through Saturday, July 14. For more details visit www.freedom21.org http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2001/7/6/12 *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FREEDOM NOW NETWORK - October 30, 2000 VOTERS DENIED TRUE CHOICES - PER MEDIA..
-Caveat Lector- FREEDOM NOW NETWORK - October 30, 2000 c READ BELOW - YOU DO HAVE CHOICES!!! by Dot Bibee, FREEDOM NOW NETWORK ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) The following article from Pat Buchanan's web page "Voters Denied True Choices" is true but only for those folks who don't get out of the house and have only the "mainstream" media to listen to. According to the "mainstream" media, Pat Buchanan is not worth even "interviewing on TV" much less letting you know that all last week he was in California conducting his campaign. We are treated constantly with remarks make by Gore and Bush on their campaigns as if these remarks are important (mostly criticizing each other). The "mainstream" media, I hope you have noticed, NEVER ask Gore and Bush anything about Abortion, Immigration, the War in Israel, the bombing of the USS Cole, the policies of the United States toward Iraq (bombing and starving little children who are suffering the most), and the High Oil Prices with winter coming on and many will probably be cold because they can't afford these high prices. OH NO, that would make AMERICANS THINK too much. It is evident they just want to treat you to the mundane and stupid. Watch for yourselves...and I am not the only one who is fed up with the media's coverage. Heaven Help all of us for the next 8 DAYS. Also PRAY for America since Congress has extended their session this week to vote for the Appropriation Bills they should have passed months ago. Government Fiscal Year used to end in June - but Congress kept extending it until now it ends in September. The government is now in a NEW fiscal year! PLEASE go to the following article and READ it -- especially if you THINK you HAVE to vote for Gush or Bore. If you still want to vote for either after reading this article, then you are hopeless. You probably haven't read down this far anyhow. A HREF="http://www.gopatgo2000.com/library/default.asp?id=190"Click here: Buchanan Foster -- home/A http://www.gopatgo2000.com/library/default.asp?id=190 Thursday, October 26, 2000 Voters Denied True Choices, Buchanan Says in San Francisco by: John Wildermuth, San Francisco Chronicle == YOU DO HAVE CHOICES - ESPECIALLY SINCE YOU HAVE A COMPUTER - AND YOU HAVE A MOUTH TO INFLUENCE YOUR FAMILY, FRIENDS, AND CO-WORKERS First, I will tell you the choices I had to make. John Duncan, Jr. is the Congressman from my district. He is the son of former Congressman John Duncan, Sr., who was once my Sunday School teacher. He belongs to Ron Paul's Liberty Committee. OH, DOT, you say, surely you are going to VOTE for him!! NO, I didn't. WHY? Because, for one, he is the Chairman of the House Transportation Committee and as such has collected in his many terms served in Congress. With HIS money he is probably going to be reelected. I also have dealt with him on many issues. One of the worst, he was responsible for helping a NGO organization turn over a mountain to the Federal government to be made a part of the Cherokee National Forest near Etowah, TN (between Knoxville and Chattanooga) -- can't think of the name of the mountain right now. When I wrote to him and complained, he wanted to meet with me because as he said he was sure he could convince me that this was the right thing to do. I wrote back and told him that if he could show me in the Constitution where it was legal for the federal government to own a mountain, I would meet with him. He never answered. He has not answered many of my letters. He has also sent me back MANY generic letters instead of answering the issue in the letters. And, yes, I following the protocol in writing to Congress, dealing with current issues and current bills in one page on one subject. This should work, but it does not!!! Yes, he votes with Ron Paul on many issues, but someone else deserves the chance to represent the people of Tennessee and the nation. I didn't vote for Frist or Thompson for the Senate, either. So, who did I choose to vote for Congress. (I have already voted since Knox County, TN has early voting.) I voted for Kevin Rowland, 865-681-8567 [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.metaculture.net/rowland4congress 1420 O'Leary Lane, Maryville, TN 37803-3124 . Following is an important PRESS RELEASE sent to me by Bill Cole of Chattanooga (after I had already voted) which is VERY important. OCTOBER 20, 2000 - ROWLAND ENDORSED BY TWO PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES MARYVILLE, TN - Libertarian Congressional candidate Kevin Rowland can make a rare claim of being endorsed by presidential candidates from two political parties. "Of course, I'm supported by Harry Browne, Libertarian presidential candidate," Rowland said. "I've met him a few times, most recently at our state convention in August when he expressed his thanks and support for my campaign." The other presidential candidate who has publicly supported Rowland is Howard Phillips of the Constitution Party. Rowland said he spent a
[CTRL] Freedom of assembly
From Znet Thursday, August 2 - Report from Philadelphia By Leslie Cagan Well, actually, I'm no longer in Philadelphia. Even though I left early yesterday I have been following developments and can report on some of what's been happening. I also want to tell you about some of the other activities I attended over the four days I was there. The latest news I have (as of 8 am this morning) is that aside from a few who have been released, the overwhelming majority of folks arrested during the last few days of protests are still in jail. It was earlier reported that many had been taken to Holmesberg Prison: in fact, only 25 people are being held there. Another 22 are at the 23th District jail of the Philadelphia police and the rest are at the central Philadelphia jail called the Roundhouse. There are still very different reports on the number of people arrested. The police put the figure at 282, but the legal team for the R2K network (the umbrella structure for all of the protests during the Republican Convention) have counted 465. While I can't confirm this, I think the police are counting just those people arrested on the streets during the direct action on Tuesday. In other words, they are probably not including the 75 people arrested at the puppet space (see my report from August 1st - part 2) or the scores of people arrested throughout the last few days, including at least 50 during protest activities on Wednesday. But whatever the number is, the reports from the inside are not good. For at least ten hours there was no food, at one point the guards had suspended bathroom "privileges", the legal team representing those arrested had very little access to their clients, and many of those held were told that their lawyers were not coming to see them when in fact the real story was that the authorities were not telling the legal team who was being held where. On top of this, there are reports of police and guard violence against people in custody, and at least one woman was seen being dragged naked and bleeding. Several people have been held in isolation, including those identified as organizers, and are being given more serious charges. The medical needs of some of the arrestees are not being met, including the withholding of asthma inhalers and medication for hypoglycemia. A very slow arraignment process - with judges in many instances not allowing the R2K lawyers to be present - has resulted in bail being set anywhere from $100 to $15,000 to $100,000 and as high as $400,000! Some people have gotten out, but most are participating in jail solidarity, demanding that charges be dropped and everyone be released together. People have been gathered outside the jail since the arrests started and a call has gone out for people around the country to contact the following people: Mayor John Street 215-686-2181 Deputy Commissioner Mitchell (in charge of Demonstrations) 215-686-3364 Captain Fisher (Head of Civil Affairs) 215-685-3684 Chief Maxwell (Head of Detectives Criminal Investigations) 215-686-3362. If you do place a call, you are asked to encourage or demand the following:
[CTRL] Freedom, Feminism, and the State
from: http://www.independent.org/tii/content/briefs/b_feminis.html Click Here: A HREF="http://www.independent.org/tii/content/briefs/b_feminis.html"II Issue Brief: Freedom, Feminism, and the State/A - BOOK SUMMARY FREEDOM, FEMINISM, AND THE STATE Revised Edition Edited by WENDY McELROY Foreword by LEWIS PERRY HIGHLIGHTS: 1. The dominant goal of what is called feminism today may be social and economic equality at the expense of individual freedom. The nineteenth-century founders of the women's movement, however, were individualists to the core and wanted instead to achieve legal equality for women, i.e., equal rights to life, liberty, and property. 2. The American women's movement emerged from of the crusade against slavery. "We have good cause to be grateful to the slave," proclaimed Abbie Kelley, an early feminist. "In trying to strike his irons off, we found most surely that we were manacled ourselves." 3. After the Civil War, while mainstream feminists devoted all their efforts to gaining the vote, individualist feminists were being jailed for defying laws that restricted the dissemination of birth control information or required marriages to conform to government regulations. Sixteen-year old Lillian Harman, for instance, was jailed for six months for a non-church marriage. "I consider uniformity in mode of sexual relations as undesirable and impractical as enforced uniformity in anything else," she proclaimed. 4. No economic system has done more for the advancement of women than the unregulated free market. It is only capitalist societies that have freed women from the drudgery and degradation of their traditional status. Nothing opened more economic opportunity for women than the general prosperity and abundance generated by the Industrial Revolution. 5. Individualist feminists oppose special protective legislation, which regulate the hours and conditions under which women work. Such class legislation has done more harm than good to the cause of women's rights. Interfering with a woman's freedom of contract, these laws helped confine to men highly skilled or supervisory jobs in manufacturing. 6. Medical licensing laws have effectively restricted women from becoming physicians. No industrialized country has a lower percentage of woman doctors than the United States, with only 7 percent. In 1910, before such laws became extensive, about 50 percent of all babies in this country were delivered by non-licensed female mid-wives. 7. Some individualist feminists carried their opposition to the State so far that they even opposed women's suffrage. Viewing politics as merely the effort to use government to exploit others, Voltairine de Cleyre, for instance, wrote: "A body of voters cannot give into your charge any rights but their own. By no possible jugglery of logic can they delegate the exercise of any function which they themselves do not control." SYNOPSIS: Mainstream feminism is nowadays intimately associated with demands for State intervention, as attested by campaigns for government-funded abortion, for laws mandating equal pay and outlawing sexual discrimination, for taxpayer-financed day care, and for legal and economic privileges for pregnant women. But feminism's roots are radically individualistic, anti-political, and anti-State. Arising out of the pre-Civil War anti-slavery movement, the early women's movement recognized clearly that government was the real obstacle preventing women from achieving freedom and equal rights. And despite the recent positions of many prominent feminists, today an increasing number of individualist feminists have become consistent foes of the State. The Independent Institute's latest book, Freedom, Feminism, and the State: An Overview of Individualist Feminism, unearths and revitalizes this forgotten heritage, providing a basis for its modern resurgence. The volume is edited by Wendy McElroy, Research Fellow at the Independent Institute and a prominent individualist-feminist author and speaker. Noted historian Lewis Perry of Indiana University provides the book's foreword. McElroy brings together twenty-two selections from the individualist feminist tradition, integrating them with a fine historical introduction. These striking essays span the history of the women's movement. Some are nineteenth-century classics from such early giants of individualist feminism as Angelina and Sarah Grimké and Voltairine de Cleyre; others are penned by well known figures of the early twentieth century, such as Suzanne LaFollete and Emma Goldman; and still others are more modern writings from the likes of Joan Kennedy Taylor, Barbara Ehrenreich, and Deirdre English. Overall they offer the individualist perspective on nearly every feminist issue, from birth control to war, from the family to the marketplace, and everything in between. No one will fully agree with every essay in this volume. The individualist feminists are too diverse, too unique, too
Re: [CTRL] Freedom, Feminism, and the State
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: 4. No economic system has done more for the advancement of women than the unregulated free market. It is only capitalist societies that have freed women from the drudgery and degradation of their traditional status. Nothing opened more economic opportunity for women than the general prosperity and abundance generated by the Industrial Revolution. To put it politely: these are, at best, unsubstantiated allegations. 7. Some individualist feminists carried their opposition to the State so far that they even opposed women's suffrage. Viewing politics as merely the effort to use government to exploit others, Voltairine de Cleyre, for instance, wrote: "A body of voters cannot give into your charge any rights but their own. By no possible jugglery of logic can they delegate the exercise of any function which they themselves do not control." To use the legacy of Voltairine de Cleyre to promote market capitalism is highly disengenuous. She was class conscious and worked for the overthrow of capitalism and the state. True, she was influenced by Tucker and the individualists early in her political development. She was drawn to the anti-authoritarianism and strong emphasis on personal liberty. She contributed articles to Liberty and other publications of individualists. But she soon became critical of their acceptance of private property and their lack of class consciousness. Read more at: http://www.infoshop.org/texts/voltairine_APT.html If you want to see a picture of Voltairine, visit: http://www.anarres.org.au/bt_mural.htm A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Freedom From War
.. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]: From: Lloyd Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: New Paradigms Discussion Subject: Freedom From War Date: Monday, June 26, 2000 5:04 PM Note: This Electronic Research Collection is an archive site. For the most current information, please visit the US State Department homepage. Freedom From War The United States Program for General and Complete Disarmament in a Peaceful World U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE DEPARTMENT OF STATE PUBLICATION 7277 Disarmament Series 5 Released September 1961 Office of Public Services BUREAU OF PUBLIC AFFAIRS For sale by the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Printing Office, Washington 25, D.C. - Price 15 cents INTRODUCTION The revolutionary development of modern weapons within a world divided by serious ideological differences has produced a crisis in human history. In order to overcome the danger of nuclear war now confronting mankind, the United States has introduced at the Sixteenth General Assembly of the United Nations a Program for General and Complete Disarmament in a Peaceful World. This new program provides for the progressive reduction of the war-making capabilities of nations and the simultaneous strengthening of international institutions to settle disputes and maintain the peace. It sets forth a series of comprehensive measures which can and should be taken in order to bring about a world in which there will be freedom from war and security for all states. It is based on three principles deemed essential to the achievement of practical progress in the disarmament field: First, there must be immediate disarmament action: A strenuous and uninterrupted effort must be made toward the goal of general and complete disarmament; at the same time, it is important that specific measures be put into effect as soon as possible. Second, all disarmament obligations must be subject to effective international controls: The control organization must have the manpower, facilities, and effectiveness to assure that limitations or reductions take place as agreed. It must also be able to certify to all states that retained forces and armaments do not exceed those permitted at any stage of the disarmament process. Third, adequate peace-keeping machinery must be established: There is an inseparable relationship between the scaling down of national armaments on the one hand and the building up of international peace-keeping machinery and institutions on the other. Nations are unlikely to shed their means of self-protection in the absence of alternative ways to safeguard their legitimate interests. This can only be achieved through the progressive strengthening of international institutions under the United Nations and by creating a United Nations Peace Force to enforce the peace as the disarmament process proceeds. There follows a summary of the principal provisions of the United States Program for General and Complete Disarmament in a Peaceful World. The full text of the program is contained in an appendix to this pamphlet. FREEDOM FROM WAR THE UNITED STATES PROGRAM FOR GENERAL AND COMPLETE DISARMAMENT IN A PEACEFUL WORLD SUMMARY DISARMAMENT GOAL AND OBJECTIVES The over-all goal of the United States is a free, secure, and peaceful world of independent states adhering to common standards of justice and international conduct and subjecting the use of force to the rule of law; a world which has achieved general and complete disarmament under effective international control; and a world in which adjustment to change takes place in accordance with the principles of the United Nations. In order to make possible the achievement of that goal, the program sets forth the following specific objectives toward which nations should direct their efforts: The disbanding of all national armed forces and the prohibition of their reestablishment in any form whatsoever other than those required to preserve internal order and for contributions to a United Nations Peace Force; The elimination from national arsenals of all armaments, including all weapons of mass destruction and the means for their delivery, other than those required for a United Nations Peace Force and for maintaining internal order; The institution of effective means for the enforcement of international agreements, for the settlement of disputes, and for the maintenance of peace in accordance with the principles of the United Nations; The establishment and effective operation of an International Disarmament Organization within the framework of the United Nations to insure compliance at all times with all disarmament obligations. TASK OF NEGOTIATING STATES The negotiating states are called upon to develop the program into a detailed plan for general and complete disarmament and to
[CTRL] Freedom Activist Dead
.. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]: From: Ian Goddard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Freedom Activist Dead Date: Friday, June 16, 2000 12:54 PM Even as research continues to show medical potential for constituents of cannabis, such as THC, which has been (http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=9257) shown in two studies to fight tumors, the author and freedom activist Peter McWilliams was arrested for using cannabis to treat AIDS in a state that voted to legalize the medical use of cannabis. Not deterred by the people's call for nonaggression, the federal government initiated aggression against McWilliams anyway. Now, the terrible news is that while awaiting sentencing, Peter died, apparently drown in his own vomit. Cannabis is a anti-nausea agent that allows cancer and AIDS patients to keep their medicine down. He was denied an effective remedy that worked and died apparently as a direct result. Just another of the countless victims of the War on Drugs. http://www.norml.org/news/index.shtml#story1 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mailing-List: list [EMAIL PROTECTED]; contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 07:55:37 EDT Subject: [MDLP] McWilliams dead at age 50 June 15, 2000 Medical Marijuana Advocate, Libertarian Author Peter McWilliams Dies at age 50 Los Angeles, CA: Peter McWilliams, a best selling author who suffered from both AIDS and cancer, passed away in his home in Los Angeles on June 14th. He was 50 years old. McWilliams, who was an outspoken advocate for the medical use of marijuana, was arrested along with Todd McCormick in 1998 in a high-profile case for cultivating marijuana in a Bel Air, CA, mansion. Both men said the marijuana was intended to supply "buyers' cooperatives" that serve patients in California. At the time of his death, McWilliams was awaiting sentencing on those charges. His story was featured last Friday by John Stossel on the ABC-TV news program 20/20.He is survived by his mother and brother. No details are yet available regarding the funeral. (more details) 6/15/00 PETER MCWILLIAMS PASSES AWAY by Don Wirtshafter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here are the details I have been able to gather. It turns out to be a double tragedy. Last Sunday, Peter had a major fire in his house. It burnt up the entire downstairs including his computer and backups. Peter was just weeks away from finishing his book on the ordeal he has gone through. He was quite excited about it and motivated to finish it. I heard the firemen had to rescue Peter through his upstairs bedroom window. The loss of this work threw Peter into shock. He was not able to talk to anyone these past few days. The loss of his book was overwhelming to him. Peter was found in his bathroom choked on his own vomit. Readers may recall his posting a few weeks back where he described in detail the routine he had worked out to quiet his stomach so it would not reject the cocktail of pills he was prescribed for his AIDS. Medical marijuana worked perfectly for this purpose, at the time of his arrest his viral count was down to zero. Federal Judge George King ordered him not to use medical marijuana while he was on federal bond. Because his mother and brother had put up their houses for this bond, Peter felt obliged to follow this order. But it meant he could not keep down his medicine and his viral count. Over a period of time Peter developed a routine of bedrest and other precautions so that he could keep down his medicine. See: http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v00/n344/a04.html?159127 His health began to return but he asserted that there was not way that he could follow this routine in jail. He hoped the judge would understand this and sentence him to a period of house arrest. Peter choked to death due to the lack of a proper anti-emetic. Forgive me for my anger, but it feels to me that he died as a direct result of the bullshit he was fighting so hard. California voters passed an initiative so that seriously ill patients like Peter could use medical marijuana. Because the federal government is unwilling to face the reality that marijuana is a medicine, Goliath had to crush innocent patients like Peter. For lack of a proper anti-emetic, Peter died. I hold the feds responsible. I pray that somehow a copy of Peter's unfinished work surfaces so that the world can hear his final message to us. As a movement we need to find some way of honoring Peter and his work. And we need to redouble our efforts to keep our own government from killing more innocent victims. With deep respect and loss, Don
[CTRL] Freedom of Information (Britland Style)
From http://www.mirror.co.uk/shtml/NEWS/P11S1.shtml
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250 NAVY SECRETS ARE EMAILED TO SCHOOLGIRL
Claire's war on computer bunglers
A SCHOOLGIRL has been bombarded with 250 emails sent to her by mistake by a
Navy officer.
They include sensitive documents marked "security restricted".
Claire McDonald, 15, and her mum Sharon, 37, alerted the Navy soon after the
messages started arriving in December, but her warning was ignored and she
continued to receive about 11 a week.
She said last night: "I think it is appalling that this sort of sensitive
defence material should be sent to me."
The emails were intended for Royal Navy Commander Jamie Hay, an information
management specialist at the Defence Ministry in London.
They were sent by RN Commander Jim Dale who works at the Pentagon in
Washington. They include:
-Cdr Dale complaining about communications problems on Britain's two largest
warships, the aircraft carriers Invincible and Illustrious;
-Cdr Dale discussing the merits of rival software systems being tested by the
British and US Navies;
-A 64-page document on a defence information management system between the US,
Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the UK - and how to keep the most sensitive
details away from other allies;
-An 82-page document containing the entire information technology strategy for
the New Zealand Navy.
One message contained a comic list of phrases to describe senior officers and
managers.
"Seagull manager" was defined as "a manager who flies in, makes a lot of noise,
craps on everything and leaves!"
Claire, from Exmouth in south Devon, said: "I use my computer for school work
and only go on the internet to chat to friends occasionally. I am not any kind
of hacker - this stuff just keeps arriving and I want it to stop." Exmouth
Community College student Claire, who plans to take a computer course when she
leaves school, added: "I sent an email to Cdr Jim Dale but he replied telling
me there must be a problem with my internet service provider."
The new computer security blunder follows another recent embarrassing incident
when The Mirror recovered and returned a missing laptop, containing secrets, to
the Defence Ministry.
Security experts in Britain and America are investigating the latest slip-up.
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[CTRL] Freedom of Speech Libelous
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'If it's freedom you want, steer clear of the forces of liberalism.'
By Mick Hume (Posted April 8,2000)
www.tenc.net[emperors-clothes]
This question, as Mr. Chris Tarrant might say, is worth £150,000. When quizzed
about the accuracy of a past statement during a recent libel trial, who came up
with the memorable line 'I was not knowingly not telling the truth'? Was it
Jeffrey Archer, Jonathan Aitken, Neil Hamilton or Mohamed Fayed?
Actually it was none of those veterans of the sleaze wars. It was Ian Williams,
ITN journalist and seeker after the truth. The £150,00 was his share of the
f375,000 libel damages awarded to ITN and two reporters, over an article
published in LM magazine (circulation 10,000) three years ago-damages that have
already forced the magazine to close, and still threaten to bankrupt myself as
LM editor and Helene Guldberg, the co-publisher.
To sit in Court 14 through three weeks of our libel trial was to experience
justice through the looking-glass. English libel law is a system where the
defendants are presumed guilty unless they can prove their innocence; where a
journalist such as ITN's Penny Marshall, who has reported on wars and crises
around the world, could claim that being criticised in LM had 'upset me more
than anything else that has happened to me', and get aggravated damages for her
hurt feelings; and where the judge could sum up by telling the jury, as Nick
Higham reported on BBC News, that 'LM's facts might have been right, but, he
asked, did that matter?' Standing on the steps of the High Court after the
verdict, I told the assembled media that while we apologised for nothing, we
would not be appealing, since 'life is too short to waste any more time in the
bizarre world of Mr Justice Morland's libel court'.
Some of LM's fiercest critics, and ITN's most fervent supporters, have come
from the liberal-left media. Meanwhile, many who have condemned ITN's actions
and defended our right to publish are conservatives who one might not think of
as the natural allies of a magazine that began life as Living Marxism. This
line-up reflects some of the strange alliances that have drifted together as we
thrash around in the uncharted waters of post-Cold War politics, nowhere more
so than in the debate about Western intervention in the former Yugoslavia-one
of the issues behind the libel case.
For 375,000 obvious reasons, I cannot repeat the allegations that the article
in LM made about the presentation of ITN's famous pictures of an emaciated
Bosnian Muslim and a barbed-wire fence at the Serb-run Trnopolje camp in 1992.
But I can say that LM has consistently tried to counter the crude attempts by
too many in the media to Nazify the Serbs and compare the conflicts in the
former Yugoslavia to the unique horror of the Holocaust. For that I have been
branded an appeaser, a revisionist and even a 'tinpot Holocaust denier' (the
political equivalent of calling me a paedophile) by some liberal-left
journalists who have renounced their CND heritage to become born-again members
of the Nato fan club, the new imperialists.
From Bosnia to Kosovo and beyond, journalists who once criticised Western
intervention around the world have linked arms with Baroness Thatcher to lead
the charge for military action against the Serbs and others. While many of the
old school have expressed their discomfort with the notion of journalists
embarking on a moral crusade, more liberal commentators seem to have slipped
easily into the uniform of laptop bombardiers.
What lay behind this amazing conversion on the road to Yugoslavia? For all
their high-minded talk of a humanitarian mission to save Bosnia, Kosovo and the
world, it seems to me that the primary motive behind many liberals' new
enthusiasm for intervention can be found closer to home. Like Saul, their first
concern is with saving their own souls.
By reducing complex foreign conflicts to fairytale struggles between good and
evil, they put themselves on the side of the angels. At a time when few of the
old certainties seem to hold at home, how comforting it is for the Western
conscience to rediscover such a clear sense of moral purpose 'over there'. The
crusading hacks are really using other people's life-and-death conflicts as a
therapy session through which to give their own lives more meaning. Listen to
some liberal journalists talk about a conflict like Bosnia or Kosovo as 'the
test of our generation', or as the chance to walk in their father's footsteps
on the moral high ground by fighting ithe new Nazis' (the contemporary
equivalent of the Devil himself). In the fashionable language of self-help,
they are meddling in places such as the former Yugoslavia on an outreach
programme designed to raise their own self-esteem.
One aspect of the therapeutic world view that is particularly ruinous of good
journalism is the 'privileging' of emotionalism over analysis. With the rise of
victim journalism,
[CTRL] Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength, The Government knows what is right
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- .. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]: Conspiracy Shopping Cart: http://a-albionic.com/shopping.htmlFrom: Taylor, John (JH) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength, The Government knows what is right Date: Friday, January 21, 2000 1:12 AM The London Times January 20 2000 top FEATURES Line On the 50th anniversary of George Orwell's death, Richard Morrison says his predictions have come true Is Big Brother already watching us? I read Nineteen Eighty-Four again last week. The future of Britain, as imagined by George Orwell in 1948, is frightening, isn't it? It is a society whose people are spied on, indoors and out, by 400,000 TV cameras. A society whose citizens have little choice but to accept that the most intimate details of their lives are relentlessly monitored and stored in enormous databases. A society where employers routinely tap the phones and read the private mail of their employees, and global corporations have access to dossiers about millions of people. A society where even shopkeepers build up secret files on their customers. A society whose rules are made by a sinister Minister of Internal Repression, who assures the population that trading "some rights to privacy" for "increased security" is "a price worth paying". Actually, as any A-level EngLit student should have twigged by now, this isn't quite what Orwell describes in Nineteen Eighty-Four. But it is Britain, for real, in the year 2000. Except that Jack Straw is called Home Secretary, not Minister of Internal Repression. Oh yes, and after the new Data Protection Act comes into force in March you have the right to stop companies from using any information about you they may have stored on computer. The only catch? If you exercise this right, you may find it difficult to get a credit card, a mortgage or a job. It's your choice. Tomorrow is the 50th anniversary of George Orwell's death. Nineteen Eighty-Four was his last novel, written as tuberculosis took a fatal grip. As Orwell's biographer Bernard Crick regularly points out, the book is not prophecy but black satire. It imagines how a brutal totalitarian regime of Orwell's own time - recognisably Stalin's Soviet Union - would sit in a country that was, equally recognisably, postwar Britain, with its rationing and bombsites. In short, Nineteen Eighty-Four was probably intended as a sardonic caricature of life as it already was for millions of people, rather than a forecast of how things might become. But that hasn't stopped this awesomely pessimistic masterpiece from being regarded as classic futurology. Its very title invites the comparison between Orwell's conjecture and our reality. We know that he was wrong in many respects. Britain is not a totalitarian State ruled by a ruthless party machine; it just seems that way when the Opposition is so pathetic. The Prime Minister does not lead Two-Minute Hates against those deemed "enemies of the State"; except, of course, when we are at war with Saddam Hussein or Slobodan Milosevic. There is no "Ministry of Truth" pumping out mendacious government propaganda; Mr Blair's new "Knowledge Network" will, of course, pump out absolutely truthful propaganda. And, unlike in Nineteen Eighty-Four, our politicians don't talk in Newspeak, a language invented "to narrow the range of thought". No, they talk in Soundbites, a language invented to eliminate thought altogether. So you see, Britain is nothing like the repressive society imagined by Orwell. Except, perhaps, in one respect. You don't need to be a conspiracy theorist to get the distinct feeling that someone, somewhere, is watching you all the time. How does Orwell describe Big Brother's all-pervasive surveillance in Nineteen Eighty-Four? "They could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to. You had to live in the assumption that every sound you made was overheard, and except in darkness, every movement scrutinised." Yes, that sounds familiar. Except that Orwell never imagined that the infra-red surveillance cameras of our age would be able to scrutinise everybody's movements in the dark as well. Last year the American science-fiction writer David Ross listed 137 "total-surveillance predictions" in Nineteen Eighty-Four, and decided that more than 100 had come true. Pure paranoia? Well, let's look at some of the organisations that like to play Big Brother with our private lives and judge for ourselves. First, there are those 400,000 closed-circuit TV cameras, ceaselessly probing our streets, shops, pubs, stadiums, car parks, stations, roads and parks. In the curious art form of spying on innocent people, Britain leads the world - and that is an achievement which our Home Secretary is not going to relinquish. Last November he pledged £150 million to extend this
[CTRL] Freedom for Sharline Wilson Expected by Christmas (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Newsmax-Inside Cover Thursday November 11, 12:17 AM Freedom for Sharline Wilson Expected by Christmas Sharline Wilson, the former Little Rock drug dealer who once testified that then-Gov. Bill Clinton snorted cocaine in her presence, should be released from an Arkansas prison next month, according to a source who has spoken with her in the last 24 hours. "She'll be going before the parole board in mid-December. And so we're hoping she should be home by Christmas," the Wilson confidante said. On Saturday the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette reported that Gov. Mike Huckabee had commuted Wilson's sentence to time served. But on Monday the Clinton accuser learned her case would have to undergo a final review by a state parole board before Huckabee's order could be implemented. In July, that board voted 4 to 1 in favor of her release. Wilson was arrested the year Clinton ran for president and charged with first time possession of cocaine. She was given a thirty-one year jail sentence and is currently incarcerated at the Grimes-McPherson correctional facility in Newport, Arkansas. The prison has a computerized phone system which restricts inmate calls to just a handful of numbers, severely limiting Wilson's contact with the outside world. She has, however, been in regular contact with California talk radio hosts George Putnam and Jane Chastain in recent months. Wilson gave Putnam's KIEV Los Angeles audience an update on Monday. America's most controversial inmate might have been released this week if the parole board had reviewed her case during its regularly scheduled Tuesday meeting. The board, however, was tied up with other business and now cannot consider her release until its next meeting on Dec. 15. "We're a little disappointed," the Wilson source told NewsMax.com. "But you know what? She'll be out in another month and when you go this long there's bound to be a lot of battles along the way." Those close to Wilson believe that the December parole hearing is just a formality that will "rubber stamp" Huckabee's commutation. Still, concern remains. "The waiting keeps us on pins and needles," the Wilson source told NewsMax.com. Mindful of the impact that Wilson's freedom could have on the Clinton White House, he added, "I'm hoping no one's gotten their ear whispered into." Sharline Wilson needs your support. Letters she can present at her hearing urging the parole board to comply with Gov. Huckabee's order of commutation would be greatly appreciated. Send mail to: Sharline Wilson 704829 Ronald McPherson Unit PO Box -H2-D Newport, Arkansas 72112- Those who would like to help Wilson financially should send a postal money order made out to her to the above address. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Freedom
-Caveat Lector- Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence? Five signers were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured before they died. Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned. Two lost their sons serving in the Revolutionary Army, another had two sons captured. Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the Revolutionary War. They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor. What kind of men were they? Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists. Eleven were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation owners; men of means, well educated. But they signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured. Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold his home and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags. Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his family almost constantly. He served in the Congress without pay, and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty was his reward. Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer, Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton. At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson, Jr., noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. He quietly urged General George Washington to open fire. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt. Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy jailed his wife, and she died within a few months. John Hart was driven from his wife's bedside as she was dying. Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill were laid to waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, returning home to find his wife dead and his children vanished. A few weeks later he died from exhaustion and a broken heart. Norris and Livingston suffered similar fates. Such were the stories and sacrifices of the American Revolution. These were not wild eyed, rabble-rousing ruffians. They were soft-spoken men of means and education. They had security, but they valued liberty more. Standing tall, straight, and unwavering, they pledged: "For the support of this declaration, with firm reliance on the protection of the divine providence, we mutually pledge to each other, our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor." They gave you and me a free and independent America. The history books never told you a lot of what happened in the Revolutionary War. We didn't just fight the British. We were British subjects at that time and we fought our own government! Some of us take these liberties so much for granted...We shouldn't. So, take a couple of minutes while enjoying your 4th of July holiday and silently thank these patriots. It's not much to ask for the price they paid.. LET'S ALL REMEMBER THAT FREEDOM IS "NEVER FREE" -- Your children are taken from you by force, sent to a school of which you may or may not approve, to study subjects you don't have to like, under teachers that you didn't hire, and probably can't fire; and the whole system is paid for by money extorted from you at the point of a gun. Given that arrangement as the structural foundation of something as important as education, we should be surprised by the kids that DO survive public schooling, rather than the relatively few who don't. - Ayn Rand on public schools ICQ: 9815080 Operator Taliesin_2 of #SacredNemeton on IRC PaganPaths DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Freedom on the Internet--NOT!!!!
-Caveat Lector- All: As they say, forewarned is forearmed, and this certainly applies to a petiton letter circulating around the net on behalf of the OpenNET Coalition (http://www.opennetcoalition.org/action/). Best to check out who the Coalition is before signing any petitions. This issue is not nearly as it has been presented by, among others in the coalition, AOL. If this Coalition is successful in it's attempt to restrain free trade on the part of the cable companies, we will be forced to accept a perpetuity of slow and shoddy ISP connections. The cable companies want a piece of the Internet market through Broadband connection and, in reality, AOL and others dont want them to horn in on the market. AOL will become nearly obsolete with the MUCH faster connection provided through Broadband (cable). There's more to this issue than meets the eye. Clipped below are the corporations comprizing this "coalition." After reading them, tell me what you think about what's going on. We need to be signing petitions alright, but NOT for this coalition of big business ISP's. From the Coalition Home Page: ~~~ The openNET Coalition consists of many of the nation's leading providers of consumer Internet services, including: A+Net Internet Services AccelerNet Access 2000 Network ACD.net Internet Services ActionWeb Services Adept Communications, LLC AcmeNet Advanced Global Net Advanced Internet Connection Services Inc. Aero Internet Services, Inc. AKC Computer Services Corp. Alexssa Enterprises, Ltd. Allegan Internet Services, Inc. America Online Amberwave Internet LLC American Digital Online Services, Inc AMUG Internet Services Anaxis Internet Atlantic.Net Internet Services, Inc. Autumn Internet Exchange Services Aye Net Internet Services BackPack Software, Inc. Baha's Web Inc. Basic Communication, Inc. Bertelsmann AG Bitstream Associates Bluegrass.net BNS, Inc. C4 Systems, Inc. Cable Wireless USA, Inc. Caribbean Internet Services Corp. Carolina Online Networks, Inc. CE Net, Inc. Cerbernet Limited Chattanooga Data Connection, Inc. CISO Citicom Communication Services Citilink Internet Cloudnet, Inc. Cloud 9 Consulting, Inc. CM2.COM, Inc. Collective Intelligence, Inc. CompuSource Internet Services Computer.Net, LLC Computer and Internet Resources. Inc. Computer Office Solutions Inc. Comwerx, Inc. Connect Northwest Internet Services Coolware, Inc. Connect Crocker Communications Crystal Clear Concepts, Inc. CSInet Internet Access CyberAgency Corp. CyberNet Nationwide (CNNW.Net) CyberRamp Internet Services Cyber Solutions CyberZone Internet Services Dakota Information Services DataStream Solutions Dave's World DigiLink Internet Services Digital Highway Communications, Inc. Digital Starlight Communications, Inc. dotSTAR Communications L.C. DLP Technologies, Inc. Dynamic Consulting, Inc. Eagle Net EazeNet Elastic Networks Eldersearch.com Electrotex Inc. Emerald Internet Services Excelr8 Networks EZ Online, Inc Fantaz Internet Services Fast Data Inc.
[CTRL] FREEDOM IN CHAINS:
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.jamesbovard.com/ A HREF="http://www.jamesbovard.com/"James Bovard/A - Publication Date: February 24, 1999 FREEDOM IN CHAINS: The Rise of the State and The Demise of the Citizen By James Bovard James Bovard, journalist and critically acclaimed author of Lost Rights: The Destruction of American Liberty, accurately points out that the greatest political debate at the close of the century is not liberalism versus conservatism, but rather, Statism. In Mr. Bovard's words, Statism is the belief that govemment is inherently superior to the citizenry, and that progress consists of extending the realm of compulsion, that vesting more arbitrary power in government officials will make the people happy -- eventually. With his breakout new work, FREEDOM IN CHAINS: The Rise of the State and the Demise of the Citizen, Mr. Bovard shows how the idealistic conception of the "State" also has meant a decline in liberty of the citizenry that the "State" serves. In FREEDOM IN CHAINS, Bovard examines the phenomenon of how the welfare state has crippled America; to today's elected officials, whose lust for power has brought about the highest level of distrust ever from America's citizens (just look at both sides of the Clinton impeachment process for justification of this point); to the growth of the Leviathan State, where the playing field is tilted against the average citizen's private behavior; to government's love of sovereign immunity and what the State is actually entitled to. The U.S. Bill of rights seems to be steadily disappearing as millions of Americans have their telephone calls tapped, are watched under electronic surveillance at work, and appear to be harassed by their own government and its activities to stifle independence and creative thought by its own citizenry. The notion of "political correctness" is such that each syllable a person utters today has to be so guarded that virtually every citizen is afraid to exercise their right of freedom of specch and freedom of expression. Bovard's FREEDOM IN CHAINS will inform, enlighten, and enrage every reader, but most importantly, completely exposes how we've become less free as people and more as wards of the State. James Bovard, author of Lost Rights: The Destruction of American Liberty, and The Fair Trade Fraud, is a journalist who writes for The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, and many other publications. He lives in Rockville, Maryland. Publication Date: February 24, 1999ISBN: 0-312-21441-3Price: $26.95 [336 pages -- cloth]Editor: Michael FlaminiContact: Meredith Howard (212) 982-3900 x267 Joe Rinaldi (212) 674-5151 x710 We would appreciate receiving two tear sheets of any reviews or mentions. = "The history of political thought is the history of the moral evaluation of political power." --Hans Morgenthau, 1945 Pervasive confusion over the nature of government and freedom has opened the gates to perhaps the greatest, most widespread increase in political power in history. If we are to regain and safeguard our liberty, we must re-examine the tenets of modern political thinking. We must reconsider the moral presumptions and prerogatives that have allowed some people to vastly expand their power over other people. The State has been by far the largest recipient of intellectual charity in the 20th century. The issue of government coercion has been taken off the radar screen of politically correct thought. The more government power has grown, the more unfashionable it becomes to discuss or recognize government abuses -- as if it were bad form to count the dead from government interventions. There seems to be a gentleman's agreement among some contemporary political philosophers to pretend that government is something more noble, more lofty than it actually is - to practice noblesse oblige and to wear white gloves when discussing the nature of the State. The great political issue of our times is not liberalism versus conservatism, or capitalism versus socialism, but Statism,-- the belief that government is inherently superior to the citizenry, that progress consists of extending the realm of compulsion, that vesting more arbitrary power in government officials will make the people happy - eventually. What type of entity is the State? Is it a highly-efficient, purring engine like a Hovercraft sailing deftly above the lives of ordinary citizens? Or is a lumbering giant grader that rips open the soil and ends up clear-cutting the lives of people it was created to help? The effort to craft a political mechanism to force government to serve the people is the modern equivalent of the search for the Holy Grail. Though no such mechanism has been found, government power has been relentlessly expanded anyhow. Yet, to base political philosophy on the assumption that government is inherently benevolent makes as much sense as basing geography on the assumption that the Earth is flat. Historian Henry Adams wrote
[CTRL] Freedom
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded Message Follows --- Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence? Five signers were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured before they died. Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned. Two lost their sons serving in the Revolutionary Army, another had two sons captured. Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the Revolutionary War. They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor. What kind of men were they? Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists. Eleven were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation owners; men of means, well educated. But they signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured. Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold his home and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags. Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his family almost constantly. He served in the Congress without pay, and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty was his reward. Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer, Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton. At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson, Jr., noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. He quietly urged General George Washington to open fire. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt. Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy jailed his wife, and she died within a few months. John Hart was driven from his wife's bedside as she was dying. Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill were laid to waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, returning home to find his wife dead and his children vanished. A few weeks later he died from exhaustion and a broken heart. Norris and Livingston suffered similar fates. Such were the stories and sacrifices of the American Revolution. These were not wild eyed, rabble-rousing ruffians. They were soft-spoken men of means and education. They had security, but they valued liberty more. Standing tall, straight, and unwavering, they pledged: "For the support of this declaration, with firm reliance on the protection of the divine providence, we mutually pledge to each other, our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor." They gave you and me a free and independent America. The history books never told you a lot of what happened in the Revolutionary War. We didn't just fight the British. We were British subjects at that time and we fought our own government! Some of us take these liberties so much for granted...We shouldn't. So, take a couple of minutes while enjoying your 4th of July holiday and silently thank these patriots. It's not much to ask for the price they paid.. LET'S ALL REMEMBER THAT FREEDOM IS "NEVER FREE" -- "Those who want to hear the voice of pagan gods in wind or thunder, who want to see the fairies dance in the moonlight, who can believe that faith can move mountains, can follow the thread on the pages of this book. It is a fragile thread; it cannot bear the weight of facts and dates" -Kate Seredy, "The White Stag" ICQ: 9815080 Operator Taliesin_2 of #SacredNemeton on IRC PaganPaths DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Freedom of Information
-Caveat Lector- WSWS : News Analysis : Europe : Britain Britain's Freedom of Information Act a charter for state secrecy By Jean Shaoul 3 July 1999 Back to screen version The introduction of right to know legislation was one of Prime Minister Tony Blair's key election promises. A Labour government would be open, accountable and transparent, he said. But the long-awaited draft Freedom of Information (FoI) Bill not only fails to fulfil this pledge, it is entirely retrogressive. The FoI bill strips the White Paper, published 18 months ago, of its few progressive features. The new draft bill creates a right of access to records, including personal files, held by public bodies and some private bodies carrying out public functions or contracts, inside a 40-day period. But there is a long list of exemptions (22 to be precise). These include the secret services, international relations, law enforcement, internal policy adviceincluding background or factual documents prepared for central government, the privatised utilities, and the findings of health and safety investigations. In addition, information can be kept secret when its release would prejudice the effective conduct of public affairs, a clause which replaces the substantial harm proviso in the original draft. This formulation is so vague that it will make it far easier for the authorities to argue against disclosure. Such a claim will not be subject to judicial review by the courts. The current code of good practice devised by the Tory government states that information that could remain secret should be placed in the public domain if there is a strong public interest argument for doing so. Thus the new bill undermines existing provisions. The Freedom of Information Bill also means: * The government will be free to invoke commercial confidentiality to preserve its secrets. * Information whose disclosure is not itself harmful can be suppressed if, combined with any other confidential information, it would be prejudicial. * Government may withhold information on the basis of the (assumed) motives for the request, or if it is too costly to provide it. * Even when information is released, ministers may prohibit the recipient from publishing it. The bill also enables ministers to create new exemptions at short notice, by parliamentary order. * An Information Commissioner, with no power to override government refusals to disclose, will supervise the public's rights. Access to information from health and education services will be easier, and even actively encouraged. But in the context of government policies that are allowing such services to wither on the vine, this simply constitutes another means to legitimise the privatisation and/or closure of so-called failing services. It will be impossible to obtain a copy of a health-and-safety report carried out after a fatal accident at work, even if the employer's safety practices were found to be negligent. Food inspection reports will not be placed in the public domain, neither will the evidence submitted to government advisory committees that formulate policy on such matters as genetically modified foods. Corporations lobbied the government and won the right to keep virtually all commercial information out of the public domain. The US introduced a statutory right to access information in 1966, and most western countries followed suit in the 1970s and early 1980s. Britain has lagged far behind the rest of the world. In Australia, most applications have been to see personal files. It has been difficult, if not downright impossible, to access other information, as successive governments have used their ministerial certificates and delaying tactics to block access. In the US, 50-60 percent of requests are from companies seeking information about their competitors. FoI legislation has spawned a huge private industry in government information. Companies have been set up which specialise in selling information or asking for data on behalf of companies or individuals who do not want to ask for it publicly themselves. However, the 1966 law did not give companies advance notice of the release of information or the right to object. Major corporations fought and won a series of high-profile court cases, and the government amended the legislation to provide corporations with reverse FoI rights. This is a vital weapon for corporations in strengthening their hand against consumers and downsizing government. British corporations are already complaining that such reverse FoI provisions are absent from the UK bill. Most commentators have put the British Bill's lack of progressive content down to government obsession with secrecy. But the government is not only shielding its own activities, it is also shielding the activities of big business. Not surprisingly, the bill says not one word about the
Re: [CTRL] Freedom of Information
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 07/03/1999 2:02:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Britain's Freedom of Information Act a charter for state secrecy By Jean Shaoul 3 July 1999 Back to screen version The introduction of right to know legislation was one of Prime Minister Tony Blair's key election promises. A Labour government would be open, accountable and transparent, he said. But the long-awaited draft Freedom of Information (FoI) Bill not only fails to fulfil this pledge, it is entirely retrogressive. The FoI bill strips the White Paper, published 18 months ago, of its few progressive features. Isn't it amazing? And the whole thing is happening here as well. We have Representative Bliley of Virginia who has managed to rush through his bill l790 and it is also senate bill 880. I don't know if it's passed the senate yet, but it probably has, and of course old Republican-issues-supporter Bill Clinton will sign it into law, and it not only messes with the public's right to know, but gives jail time to those responsible for letting them find out. I just love to see us working along with other governments to insure that freedoms of any kind are curtailed. Happy Fourth of July. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Freedom of Information Act
-Caveat Lector- Yes, it seems that threats must constantly be created in order for the global government to stay in operation. Just about any threat can be utilized to restrict the civil liberties of citizens. For instance, we have the government's "war on drugs"--clearly, IF the American government seriously wanted the drug trade to come to an end, it would be eradicated. But the illicit trade is integral to the economies of both our latin american "trading partners" AND our national security state. With the passage of NAFTA, the drug flow could be more efficiently micromanaged... On a twenty-four hour basis, trucks are lined up at the Mexican/US border crossing. Few of them get inspected. Just the sheer number of trucks, the logistical nightmare of having to examine every trailer, and the shortage of personnel means many trucks roll across with a minimum inspection. On the Mexican side, there are checkpoints on every major highway going in and out of the interior of Mexico, which are manned by federales, Mexican army units, state police, or local cops--all of this armed muscle is supposedly in place in order to discourage narcotics traffickers, but the local citizenry know they're there to keep complete chaos from breaking out. (Mexico is virtually a police state.) The Mexican cops tend to shake down their own citizens, demanding mordida (bribes)... It's just the way things are done in a police state. Heaven help you if, as an American citizen, the cops just happen to discover a drug in your vehicle! While all of this intense scrutiny of individual citizens is going onthe big narcotraficantes are cutting their deals with their American counterparts, and major shipments of drugs are carried across the border in trucks. When NAFTA was being debated, there were a few rational voices of protest raised. Individuals who had firsthand experience with Mexican political/economic institutions warned American legislators about what would happen, but they were ignored. The fix was in. When the Salinas family was revealed to have been involved in narcotics trafficking AND political assassinations, none of this surprised anyone who has knowledge of conditions down there. Perhaps, the two countries (the US and Mexico) will eventually merge into one big super cop state. Badges? We don' need no steenkin badges! On Wed, 23 Jun 1999, Zombie Cow wrote: -Caveat Lector- On Tue, 22 Jun 1999, William Hugh Tunstall wrote: But in those days of yore, I was all of eighteen years of age and idealistic as hell. I had all of these idiotic notions that my government would never engage in illegal activities, acts of thuggery, etc. Even thugs are privatized nowadays. You can buy any size of mercenary army if you have the money, excluding perhaps nukes. Just search the web. There are at least two very big companies, one in England and one in the US right now selling their services to private companies operating in Africa. When a government can't do something openly, they simply pay the right private individuals or assassinators via anonymized and untraceable methods. Believe me, if a government really needs you dead, then you're dead. It can all be done untraceably, and appear as an accident. Traffic accidents are probably one of the most popular methods. I've even seen private people advertise on the internet their anonymous assassination services. was followed by another black ops incident: another friend had the police do a search of his apartment only "to discover" drugs. The drugs had been planted. In terms of notoriety/importance, all of us were rather unimportant actors on the great stage of life...but once we had the audacity to resist the system, we placed ourselves in the position of being enemies of the state--and whatever civil liberties we might possess, were conveniently disregarded. And that's how the police forces deal with unwanted persons. Our system has any number of different ways of discrediting/destroying individuals. The tactics/techniques have been well-documented, of course. So I tend to sympathize with all of those who have been on the receiving end of these operations--regardless of their political/philosophical sympathies. In theory, we have civil liberties...but the reality is something quite different. But for those of us who were alive back in the sixties, many of us know that the Kennedy assassination was a turning point of sorts for the nation... a fork in the road that set the nation in a particularly nasty direction. We didn't know it at the time, but, in retrospect, we crossed the Rubicon back then...and the National Security State went into overdrive. Still, they've very nicely managed to keep the public convinced of things being just fine otherwise. Most of the terrorist threats are just manufactured to enhance their rights and corrode the rights of private individuals. Now, with bioterrorism
Re: [CTRL] Freedom of Information Act
-Caveat Lector- thanks for the correction.. It's been a long time since I listened to it. On Tue, 22 Jun 1999, AOL User wrote: -Caveat Lector- It reminds me of an old sixties standard: "paranoia strikes deep, into your heart it will creep, * I believe it's into your LIFE not heart it starts when you're always afraid, step out of line, the man comes to take you away..." ** I believe it 's the MEN come and not the man comes to **can i get a witness DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Freedom of Information Act
-Caveat Lector- I have a letter in my desk since 1984...in which my attorney requested my FBI file - now I went not to my regular attorney because he was former FB I had previously gotten part of my file and this was just prior to Larry Flynt being shot; Mr. Flynt has that portion at this time and they would never return it...supposedy I was told it was in a locked box, and only Althea and Larry Flynt had accessthen of course, Larry Flynt was gunned down...he had hooked up with a certain person whom he could ot trust, and this individual was CIA connected. Well, Clarence Kelly was director for awhile - he said he was trying to collect my file...suddenly he was gone...the some time later this Webster - well that was the one director, and I think he was with Sullivan when he was accidently hotand then so on, etc. Well in 1984 I got another attorney and suddenly he called and said my file was in the National Archives. Now why would my file be in th National Archivesa man named Reagan or Ragon (not Ronald, of course) called me at home, and said he would send.was very niceand I am still waiting for it. I know why they do not want to send it, or did not at that time; and yes, they do not want information released. from certain filesbut the reason they will not get me my file was for this reason...the Interntional Teamsters under this Frank Fitzsimmons, had the FBI watch put on me, because they thought I had access to secet files...at the time I was working with certain people...and suddenly, Sybil Leek had the IRS after her for $150,000 dollars and could only get me for fifty dollars, which they raised to 1800 dollars, when I refused to pay the fifty. Well I raised enough hell for twenty people, and we parted friends and compromisedSybil had to pay up...but the reason I wonderthe feds did not like Sybil into this drug stuff and the name of the ship was the RIOand they already were disturbed with me anyway, so they got us both and we were on a list...I even had the Secret Service at my door...which was rather funny and my bossie didn't even want to know why The reason hereRockefeller wanted to know about any information anyone had on JFK stuff; and nothing I had would hold up in Court, but made somebody upset when you consider that Margaret Mitchell went before the Judgement at the Watergate carrying a King James Bible...my those were interesting times. Freedom of Information Act? Well, I still got the letter in there, and just for the fun of it tomorrow I am going to write thm, after waiting now 14 years, and tell them I have been patient enough. Most files are tossed out; I had commited no crime, was only on a pest list - but once you get the masons disturbed, well so much for that. I will try againif you can help me I will give you the case file number.the one letter I did get was blanked out, or cesoredand old Hoover himself had written a note on it for Cartha who sent to Toomey and it said "looks like she is equating the Catholic Mafia, to the Masons, to the KKK"...ha, ha, hahe who laughs lastwell a few years later in Time Magazine with the PT stuff, there was a story about the Mafia, in the Masons, and they guy was dressed like a membr of the KKK...and that is when Webster got mad and wrote a snide letter so yes, I do not think they pay any attention to anybody. And I wonder if my file is still there nownot that I really care. Then, Bud Fensterwald died who headed up the Committee...the last big meeting of the group was November of 1974...at Georgetownthen, the books, books, and more books Let me know Colleen DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Freedom of Information Act
-Caveat Lector- thanks, C. for the interesting response. In the land of the free and the home of the brave, it's obvious from your account that one's name can accidentally get on a government list, then you're in for it. I'm pretty sure that the govt has info on me, just by virtue of my knowing the "wrong" people at the "wrong" time (back in the sixties, when Americans, in their innocence, still operated under the illusion that the government exists to protect their interests). During our anti-war meetings on campus, we used to joke that about half of the assembled crowd were working for the government. Of course, later, some of the revelations about COINTELPRO came out...and our suspicions were pretty much confirmed. But in those days of yore, I was all of eighteen years of age and idealistic as hell. I had all of these idiotic notions that my government would never engage in illegal activities, acts of thuggery, etc. The wiser activists had their grim stories to relate, but many of us dismissed their tales, thinking it was only just another manifestation of the general paranoia. But we quickly learned. I think my initiation into the evil ways of the world came when one of my friends, a black activist, was beaten while in police custody in our town Bastille. This incident was followed by another black ops incident: another friend had the police do a search of his apartment only "to discover" drugs. The drugs had been planted. In terms of notoriety/importance, all of us were rather unimportant actors on the great stage of life...but once we had the audacity to resist the system, we placed ourselves in the position of being enemies of the state--and whatever civil liberties we might possess, were conveniently disregarded. Our system has any number of different ways of discrediting/destroying individuals. The tactics/techniques have been well-documented, of course. So I tend to sympathize with all of those who have been on the receiving end of these operations--regardless of their political/philosophical sympathies. In theory, we have civil liberties...but the reality is something quite different. But for those of us who were alive back in the sixties, many of us know that the Kennedy assassination was a turning point of sorts for the nation... a fork in the road that set the nation in a particularly nasty direction. We didn't know it at the time, but, in retrospect, we crossed the Rubicon back then...and the National Security State went into overdrive. On Tue, 22 Jun 1999, Colleen Jones wrote: -Caveat Lector- I have a letter in my desk since 1984...in which my attorney requested my FBI file - now I went not to my regular attorney because he was former FB I had previously gotten part of my file and this was just prior to Larry Flynt being shot; Mr. Flynt has that portion at this time and they would never return it...supposedy I was told it was in a locked box, and only Althea and Larry Flynt had accessthen of course, Larry Flynt was gunned down...he had hooked up with a certain person whom he could ot trust, and this individual was CIA connected. Well, Clarence Kelly was director for awhile - he said he was trying to collect my file...suddenly he was gone...the some time later this Webster - well that was the one director, and I think he was with Sullivan when he was accidently hotand then so on, etc. Well in 1984 I got another attorney and suddenly he called and said my file was in the National Archives. Now why would my file be in th National Archivesa man named Reagan or Ragon (not Ronald, of course) called me at home, and said he would send.was very niceand I am still waiting for it. I know why they do not want to send it, or did not at that time; and yes, they do not want information released. from certain filesbut the reason they will not get me my file was for this reason...the Interntional Teamsters under this Frank Fitzsimmons, had the FBI watch put on me, because they thought I had access to secet files...at the time I was working with certain people...and suddenly, Sybil Leek had the IRS after her for $150,000 dollars and could only get me for fifty dollars, which they raised to 1800 dollars, when I refused to pay the fifty. Well I raised enough hell for twenty people, and we parted friends and compromisedSybil had to pay up...but the reason I wonderthe feds did not like Sybil into this drug stuff and the name of the ship was the RIOand they already were disturbed with me anyway, so they got us both and we were on a list...I even had the Secret Service at my door...which was rather funny and my bossie didn't even want to know why The reason hereRockefeller wanted to know about any information anyone had on JFK stuff; and nothing I had would hold up in Court, but made somebody upset when you consider that Margaret Mitchell went before the Judgement at the Watergate carrying a King James
Re: [CTRL] Freedom of Information Act
-Caveat Lector- Thank you, Zombie Cow. It reminds me of an old sixties standard: "paranoia strikes deep, into your heart it will creep, it starts when you're always afraid, step out of line, the man comes to take you away..." On Tue, 22 Jun 1999, Zombie Cow wrote: -Caveat Lector- On Mon, 21 Jun 1999, William Hugh Tunstall wrote: -Caveat Lector- What is the general consensus of opinion on the Freedom of Information Act? Is there a possibility that just by requesting the information, you might be asking the government to zero in on you? After all, to express an interest in what might be on file suggests that you might be the kind of individual that the government should keep a file on! And how can anyone of us who live deep in the bowels of the National Security State belive that the government will release all of the information on us? Then again, all of us (presumably) have the right to see what records the government might keep on us. What are your thoughts. FYI, _I know for a fact_ that speaking or joking of certain diseases (biowar) will get you probed and result in a co-operative intelligence gathering operation (spying on you), even accross the globe. FBI asks local law-enforcement agencies for help. All this thanks to the Echelon system. US is spreading it's police-state claws accross the whole globe now, it seems. There is no reason why FOIA requests shouldn't be similarly attracting a general probe. And I don't know what they do, if you are currently under an investigation. Apparently there's convenient loopholes inserted that they won't then have to give you the information? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Freedom of Information Act
-Caveat Lector- It reminds me of an old sixties standard: "paranoia strikes deep, into your heart it will creep, * I believe it's into your LIFE not heart it starts when you're always afraid, step out of line, the man comes to take you away..." ** I believe it 's the MEN come and not the man comes to **can i get a witness DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Freedom of Information Act
-Caveat Lector- What is the general consensus of opinion on the Freedom of Information Act? Is there a possibility that just by requesting the information, you might be asking the government to zero in on you? After all, to express an interest in what might be on file suggests that you might be the kind of individual that the government should keep a file on! And how can anyone of us who live deep in the bowels of the National Security State belive that the government will release all of the information on us? Then again, all of us (presumably) have the right to see what records the government might keep on us. What are your thoughts. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Freedom, Choice, and Consequences
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.23/pageone.html A HREF="http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.23/pageone.html"Laissez Faire City Times - Volume 3 Issue 23 /A - Laissez Faire City Times June 7, 1999 - Volume 3, Issue 23 Editor Chief: Emile Zola Freedom, Choice, and Consequences by Robert L. Kocher Among the long-term consequences of the borderline-psychotic social revolution of the sixties and seventies are many common misconceptions of the nature of freedom, of what constitutes choice, and what freedom does not confer. Few people today understand what freedom or is, or could define freedom. They believe freedom allows them unlimited right to do what they want to do. However, that is not a definition of freedom, but of unlimited egocentricism, of license, or of unlimited freedom of action. Far from being the basis of a free society, it's a recipe for tyranny. The ideal condition of freedom of action would be to have the freedom from responsibility of a child, while having the autonomy and power of an adultalong with infinite financial resources. Until recently, kings, queens and princes lived under that condition. The king could do as he wanted, supported by enforced confiscation of the complete economic resources of the kingdom when it suited him. It was neither good for the royalty or the people. The royalty inevitably degenerated while the people were drained and suffered. The economies of nations were enslaved and destroyed for the building of pyramids, palaces and other royal self-indulgences. Entire continents were at war in the service of various royal temper tantrums. Overthrow of the existing order of mona rchy was periodically necessary. This made up much of the content of human history for the last four thousand years. Members of royalty did not mature because it wasn't necessary for them to do so. They didn't need to negotiate with their subjects because their subjects interests were subordinate to those of the king or the prince. They didn't need to consider reality because they were insulated from reality. The process of giving up childhood egocentricism and of balancing personal impulses against the rights of others is intrinsically unpleasant. Kings and queens are not required to undergo unpleasantness. This discomfort, as it is with all discomfort, will be avoided if possible. In this case the discomfort is necessary to achieve adult maturity. If you are the king or queen, you can make it a rule that other people adapt to your wantonness and undergo the discomfort instead of you. It may not be a very happy relationship for your subjects, but, as king or queen, you can decree the additional rule that your subjects are required to like it. Besides, there is no place for your subjects to go. If they go down the road to the next kingdom, there's no assurance that the next king will be an improvement. While it works for kings and queens, in ordinary day-to-day life this doesn't work. As a practical matter only one member of any community can have unconditional freedom of action while the other members inherently become relegated to the oppressive role of forced adaptation to those actions while having no rights. Thus, it can be seen that unlimited personal action is not freedom or a free society. Absolute personal freedom of action for any one person inherently means personal subjugation of everyone else. Mutual Agreement Freedom means social and economic interactions occur on the basis of mutual agreement between participating parties. This implies strong restrictions upon behavior. In a free society you cannot willingly subject other people to actions to which they reasonably disagree. Actions which subject eventual intrusional consequences upon other members of society or otherwise intrude upon their lives or damage them are not acts of freedom, but acts of imposition or acts of enslavement. To particularize with an example. there is no such thing as freedom to rape someone. Rape is a crime against freedom. It violates the critical principle of mutual agreement. It is the purposeful subjecting of someone to an act to which he or she seriously and reasonably disagrees. That constitutes a violation of freedom. One of the first principles of a free society is that members of that society have a responsibility to conduct their lives in such a way as not to impose upon other community members. In addition to being a basic political principle, this was once taught as part of having basic respect for other members of the community. Many of what have become mislabeled as contemporary social problems are in truth social impositions people have imposed upon other members of society by demanding license for themselves. The indiscriminate having of children while charging the other members of the community with the responsibility of maintaining those children is not an act of freedom. It is a act of
[CTRL] FREEDOM OF INFORMATION REQUEST FILED REGARDING INTEL SERIAL NUMBER
-Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:490894"FREEDOM OF INFORMATION REQUEST FILED REGARDING INTEL SERIAL NUMBER/A - Subject: FREEDOM OF INFORMATION REQUEST FILED REGARDING INTEL SERIAL NUMBER From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dr. Jai Maharaj) Date: Sat, Feb 20, 1999 5:59 AM Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EPIC FILES FOIA REQUEST REGARDING THE INTEL SERIAL NUMBER Forwarded message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ed Stone) "EPIC has filed a series of Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests to federal agencies requesting documentation of any role the government may have played in persuading Intel Corporation to include a Processor Serial Number (PSN) in each of its Pentium III chips (see EPIC Alert 6.02). The requests were submitted to more than a dozen agencies, including the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the National Security Agency, the Central Intelligence Agency, the Department of Commerce and various Pentagon components. Government involvement in the Intel PSN decision would not be unprecedented. FOIA requests filed by EPIC in 1993 revealed that the Justice Department pressured ATT to install the controversial Clipper Chip in the company's secure telephone unit, rather than a DES chip that did not provide law enforcement with "spare key" access to encrypted communications. The Department also assured ATT that it would purchase a substantial number of the wiretap- friendly devices; DOJ ended up buying 10,000 Clipper phones, with only a handful purchased by other buyers. As a major purchaser of desktop computers, the federal government could have similar influence with respect to hardware features like the PSN. Law enforcement agencies -- most notably the FBI -- have expressed a strong interest in encouraging the development of technical means to identify Internet users and limit the ability to communicate anonymously. The PSN has been widely criticized as a potentially invasive tool that would significantly damage online privacy. More information on the Pentium III and the PSN is available at: http://www.bigbrotherinside.com/ End of forwarded message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ed Stone) Jai Maharaj Latest world news at: http://www.flex.com/~jai/topnews.html Om Shanti - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Freedom of Approved Speech
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.7/pageone.html A HREF="http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.7/pageone.html"Laissez Faire City Times - Volume 3 Issue 7/A The Laissez Faire City February 15, 1999 - Volume 3, Issue 7 Editor Chief: Emile Zola - Freedom of Approved Speech by Peter Topolewski In the first week of February 1999, a US federal court ordered the authors of an anti-abortion web site to pay $107 million in damages to Planned Parenthood and a number of abortion doctors. A few hundred miles up the coast in Vancouver, BC, a human rights tribunal ordered a retired newspaper columnist to pay a $2000 fine for promoting hatred toward Jews. Incomparable sums, but the same injustice. Powerful interest groups successfully drew governmental and judicial bodies into arguments of good taste versus bad. As hoped, the authorities scrutinized a citizens right to express what others had deemed a disagreeable opinion. As individuals, the authorities are fellow citizens and peers; but collected in juries and tribunals they have decreed what thoughts we may voice without penalty. Expressible thoughts are far fewer than we had ever assumed. Too late for a viaticum, free speech is dead. No matter how offensive people found either the Nuremberg Trial web site, or the columns by 78-year old columnist Doug Collins, note that none of the authors were charged with a crime for what they wrote, and none faced criminal punishment. Rather, by different routes, the losing sides in each case have been punished in their wallets, and punished for one reason alone: to stop them from expressing their opinions. In the case of the columnist Doug Collins, the $2000 fine is the muscle flexing of an inflated power wrongly created. His sentence fell from a bureaucratic wing of the provincial government known as the BC Human Rights Tribunal. At the foot of its pulpit it drops culprits whom it deems to have violated human rights. Collins, a ranter of underwhelming talent, has made a habit of picking on Jews. His gormless columns retread old Jewish conspiracy theories and lame "inflated Holocaust number" stories. He convinced no readers of his lies, but he convinced many that he is a bitter hack whose career should have seen its zenith after a single appearance in the letters to the editor section. However, according to the Human Rights Tribunal, Collins small minded opinion pieces were not simply nonsense, they served to "repeatedly reinforce some of the most virulent forms of anti-Semitism, and perpetuate the most damaging stereotypes of Jews; that they are selfish, greedy and manipulative and that, through control of the media, they have perpetrated a massive fraud to exaggerate their suffering during the Holocaust." While his views might or might not do all of the above, Collins is guilty only of a mean streak, a rambling style, and a bitter jealousy. (One wonders why these alone were not sufficient to keep his opinions from print, as least as a paid columnist.) In 1997 Collins appeared before the tribunal after the Canadian Jewish Congress complained about a column in which he characterized the movie Schindlers List as "typical Jewish propaganda designed to make money". He escaped reproof then, only to face this retrial for a collection of columns that injured the "dignity and self respect" of a local Jewish man named Harry Abrams. That such an irrelevant columnist could injure Abrams dignity and self respect is plainly sad. Whats worse is that Abrams chose not to simply ignore Collins insulting babble (as most readers do), or better yet to make efforts to educate people why stereotypes of Jews (and other minorities) are low, dishonest, ignorant, and lazy. Instead, Abrams resorted to having Collins censored: Collins is not free to insult any one without facing financial punishment. Bastiats Rights of Man By invoking their mysterious powers to protect through fines what are loosely labeled "human rights", the BC Human Rights Tribunal is violating the very rights and freedoms which make possible its legal existence. Frederic Bastiat explained this critical relationship once and for all in The Law. He wrote: Life, faculties, production in other words, individuality, liberty, property this is man. And in spite of the cunning of artful political leaders, these three gifts from God precede all human legislation, and are superior to it . Since an individual cannot lawfully use force against the person, liberty, or property of another individual, then the common force for the same reason cannot lawfully be used to destroy the person, liberty, or property of individuals or groups. Fining Doug Collins $2000 for expressing his opinion is precisely liberty destroyed. Amazingly the Human Rights Tribunal saw fit to apply its over-extended power to the press. It has ordered Collins newspaper to publish a statement which condemns his opinions as dangerous and ant-Semitic. Timothy Renshaw, the newspapers managing
