Most insurance companies are worth millions, if not billions, of
dollars, and they make huge profits. Insuring all of the people that
they now deny based on genetic abnormalities would still allow them to
make decent profits.
So? Where is it mandated that they cover those?
In
This is why the current American system where virtually everyone's
insurance pays for virtually every visit to the doctor is such a
bad idea. People should be paying for their ordinary, year-in
year-out health care. Insurance should only enter the picture if
The system only works
On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Neil Johnson wrote:
But the Bob has no control of his risk (genetics), or at least not yet :).
The insurance company does.
Say What?! Sorry, no insurance company has the power to say who
is and is not born with particular genetics.
I don't have a problem with insurance
This list is no stranger to Tim May's sarcasm and anti-semitic rants.
He's bashing a completely facist and dictatorial country of
which a sizeable number of citizens are completely willing to commit
genocide of the very same kind that was once waged against them.
I cannot
Your neighbor pollutes your lungs or your land and you don't know
what to do about it? Shit man, get real -- $5 bucks worth of gasoline
and a midnight stroll takes care of his house, him, and his family.
Burning someones house down is *REALLY* bad for the air and
land around the
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Typical of May to wish that those who he hates be nuked, but please don'tt
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so? in that respect he's a great relief from all the "houlier than thou"
"for the chiiildren" pseudo-moralists.
in the end, nobody cares if he's not affected.
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At 2:45 PM -0700 on 10/19/00, Bill Stewart wrote:
"teergrube"
Cool.
An email version of the spider-trap somebody built at Sandia 4 or 5 years ago.
Teergrube means "tarpit", right?
Marvellous, just marvellous. Hang out on this list, you learn something,
even if everyone knows it before you
Right. While I feel some sense of moral obligation to feel compassion
for victims of genocide in Africa, the reality is that traffic in
downtown Washington affects me more.
To paraphrase:
One person dying is a tragedy
One million dying is a statistic
One billion lost in NASDAQ value is a
At 2:11 PM +0300 10/20/00, Sampo A Syreeni wrote:
On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Marshall Clow wrote:
So these people are entitled to something for nothing?
(or in this case, $1500 of treatment for $1000 of premiums)?
Why?
Because keeping people operable longer makes for net savings for the
society?
See:
http://www.pscu.com/Newsbytes/2000/156920.html
http://www.nandotimes.com/technology/story/body/0,1634,500270563-500421503-502621147-0,00.html
Let's put this problem in perspective, and try to avoid the "chicken little, the sky
is falling" syndrome.
It's quite unlikely that someone would come up with "Eureka!" type of solution to
factoring large numbers that would end up completely breaking RSA, or that some way
would be found to
Of course all of us knew this. The article is
good for explaining to non-technical friends.
http://interactive.wsj.com/articles/SB972002214791170991.htm
October 20, 2000
Electronic Form of 'Invisible Ink'
Inside Files May Reveal Secrets
By MICHAEL J. MCCARTHY
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET
From: "Nathan Saper" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
So these people are entitled to something for nothing?
(or in this case, $1500 of treatment for $1000 of premiums)?
That's the whole idea of insurance, isn't it?
The point of insurance is to pool resources and spread risk; it
isn't a ponzi scheme.
If
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On Thu, Oct 19, 2000 at 02:30:40AM -0400, Steve Furlong wrote:
Nathan Saper wrote:
On Thu, Oct 19, 2000 at 01:02:44AM -0400, Steve Furlong wrote:
Nathan Saper wrote:
Nathan seems to be arguing that insurance companies should be forced
On Fri, 20 Oct 2000, Arnold G. Reinhold wrote:
I read the Massey and Maurer paper (One can find it at
http://www.isi.ee.ethz.ch/publications/isipap/umaure-mass-inspec-1993-
1.pdf ) and I have a couple of comments on it.
This is just silly. There's nothing wrong with Rijndael.
-Bram Cohen
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On Thu, Oct 19, 2000 at 01:26:48PM -0500, Kevin Elliott wrote:
At 22:42 -0700 10/18/00, Nathan Saper wrote:
Coverage is most often less expensive than care. Therefore, one may
be able to afford the coverage, but not afford the care, if it ends up
At 11:50 AM -0600 10/20/2000, Bob Jueneman wrote:
Let's put this problem in perspective, and try to avoid the "chicken
little, the sky is falling" syndrome.
It's quite unlikely that someone would come up with "Eureka!" type
of solution to factoring large numbers that would end up completely
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Of course all of us knew this. The article is
good for explaining to non-technical friends.
http://interactive.wsj.com/articles/SB972002214791170991.htm
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At 9:11 PM -0500 on 10/18/00, Neil Johnson wrote:
How does crypto-anarchy/libertarian/anarchy propose to deal with the
"tragedy of the commons" where by doing what is best for each persons own
interests they end up screwing it up for everyone (Overgrazing land with to
many cattle is the
At 9:20 PM -0600 on 10/18/00, Anonymous wrote:
Crypto-anarchy is in fact not really anarchy, since it only addresses
some kinds of authority, ie government, and only in certain situations.
True anarchy involves the dissolution of other hierarchical relationships,
including those that spring
This list is no stranger to Tim May's sarcasm and anti-semitic rants.
You just used a German word. I'm reporting you to the Zionist League.
"Remember, children of Israel, "Eretz Israel" is not the same thing
as "lebensraum," and the suppression of the ragheads in Eretz Israel
is merely pest
Tim's anti Jewish sentiments are obvious in his current posts and in the
past.
If he had any guts he would admit what he really feels instead of using
sarcasm and obfuscation.
Tim May writes
Nowhere in my article did I mention Jews or Judaism.
At 2:05 PM -0500 10/19/00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tim's anti Jewish sentiments are obvious in his current posts and in the
past.
If he had any guts he would admit what he really feels instead of using
sarcasm and obfuscation.
This anonymous poster complains that I haven't admitted what I
I know Declan is libertarian-leaning, but it seems to me he has good
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Typical of May to wish that those who he hates be nuked, but please don'tt
let it effect his portfolio.
May Rants
And what will I think of millions of Zionists being incinerated or
coughing out their last breaths? I'll think of it as the inevitable
consequences of encouraging people in
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Most EarthFirst! folks have figured out that you just have to forget about
well, is Armey opposed to Carnivore? Or not?
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On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Declan McCullagh wrote:
And a Napster poll:
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sarcasm and obfuscation.
The suggestion that Tim does not say what he
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Even if they do (which I haven't heard of, but I could be wrong), the
trend right now is more corporate power, less governmental power. As
I said before, we are already seeing this
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On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, [iso-8859-1] Ing. Fausto C.G. wrote:
I dont now where did you get my e-mail, but I
One of the points I believe is sorely missing in these discussions is how
important "improvements in algorithms" can be. In the narrowest sense, I
agree with your statements - but I have also seen what elegant alternative
approaches can do to systems that were presumed to be vulnerable only to
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"Tim" == Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Tim This is helpful because it pushed anonymity back into the
Tim technological arena, where it belongs.
Indeed.
With all of the people running around claiming that data which are
pseudonymous are actually anonymous, it's no wonder that there's
If you're not already removed from the list, you should look at the message
headers and find the Sender: line. Take that domain name (ssz.com or
cyberpass.net or algebra.com or something) and send mail with "help" in the
body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Or you could find the original message you
No, that's a temporary URL that will become invalid in a few minutes. You
need to send out the link to the summary, which I did. Or include it below. :)
-Declan
At 12:38 10/17/2000 -0400, Peter Capelli/Raleigh/Contr/IBM wrote:
Here is a link to the text:
At 7:24 AM -0400 10/17/00, John Young wrote:
The question occurs: did PK crypto get leaked on purpose?
How was it done?
I'm not sure what your implication is, though I have some suspicion
you are insinuating that the NSA and Company knew PK was somehow weak
and so it leaked it.
Well,
It occurs to me that the NSA may in fact have a much easier time
of cracking most encrypted messages than is generally believed by
the people who use them.
We can rule out the idea that they may have computers capable of
solving the ciphers by a brute force key search or modulus factoring
On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, John Galt wrote:
Cypherpunks is archived? Isn't that against what most cypherpunks stand
for? I know it sets up a "style fingerprint" attack against anonymity...
Do you imagine for an instant that a list like this could go out,
be available to anonymous people, and
LOL. That was a masterpiece! Now if you could put all that divine
inspiration and energy into something creative :-)
On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, John Galt wrote:
That was not rude. This is rude: it is my fervent wish that someone as
stupid as yourself under no circumstances breed. To
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On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 02:43:14PM +0100, Ken Brown wrote:
Nathan Saper wrote:
Fine. My basis for my claim is that the NSA is the best funded and
best equiped electronic intelligence agency in the world, and they
have employed some of the
At 5:50 PM -0700 10/17/00, Nathan Saper wrote:
On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 12:07:00PM -0400, David Honig wrote:
At 09:14 PM 10/16/00 -0400, Nathan Saper wrote:
When do cops take DNA at traffic stops?
Not yet. But I believe the UK takes samples of everyone
arrested (not necessarily guilty)
On Tuesday, October 17, 2000, at 08:19 PM, Tim May wrote:
At 5:50 PM -0700 10/17/00, Nathan Saper wrote:
>On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 12:07:00PM -0400, David Honig wrote:
>> Not yet. But I believe the UK takes samples of everyone
>> arrested (not necessarily guilty) of minor crimes, and some
>>
Do Your Goals Include:
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At 11:58 AM 10/16/00 -0700, Joshua R. Poulson wrote:
Isn't utterly obvious that the NSA, just any decent person,
compartmentalizes its security so that if one system were
broken, the other systems would not necessarily be broken?
Very well said. They also benefit from security via obscurity
Ken Brown wrote:
But we're on the edge of a continent and we've absorbed more foreign
words than *you* :-)
I wasn't under that impression, so far.
- and later on there seemed to be a similar sharing of words between
English Norse ( sometimes Dutch/Low German as well). So "ship",
You try to be civil, you get threatened.
I guess I learned my lesson. Last one turned out to be reasonable.
Good luck,
Sean Roach
By the way, is the shift Only used for emphasis these days? What about
punctuation? Is there a corrollary to usage of punctuation,
capitalization, and
At 2:34 PM -0700 10/15/00, Nathan Saper wrote:
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On Sun, Oct 15, 2000 at 05:28:19PM -0400, Jordan Dimov wrote:
I don't know much about crypto politics, but... isn't it utterly
obvious that the mere fact that the NSA suggest a certain algorithm
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On Sun, Oct 15, 2000 at 05:28:19PM -0400, Jordan Dimov wrote:
I don't know much about crypto politics, but... isn't it utterly
obvious that the mere fact that the NSA suggest a certain algorithm (say
Rijndael) for a national standard and
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Quick question for you: other than 'living' people, and 'dead' people,
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"Those who would give up essential liberty for temporary
I guess they wanted the patent for recognition. A sort of pat on the
back.
The government grants patents so I suppose they can grant themselves as
many as they like if it makes them feel good. Rendering unto Caesar
what is Caesar's.
Whit Diffie gave an interesting talk about intellectual
http://foxnews.com/national/101300/leaks.sml
Congress Increases Penalty for Classified Leaks
Friday, October 13, 2000
An intelligence bill passed by Congress could stifle the ability of
whistle-blowers and the media to get information to the public by
expanding criminal penalties for
At 12:46 PM -0400 10/12/00, Declan McCullagh wrote:
This is from a bill that both the House and Senate passed (yesterday):
Whoever knowingly provides or obtains the labor or services of a
person...by means of the abuse or threatened abuse of law or the
legal process,
shall be fined under this
At 10:56 AM 10/10/00 -0400, Trei, Peter wrote:
Funny, reading the Subject line of this, I immediately
assumed that the FBI was belatedly admitting that it:
the *FBI* needed some 'cyber ethics education'. This
is
[Yes, I know the article is a spoof]
Tim's spoof got to me before the original
At 10:55 PM -0500 10/11/00, Mac Norton wrote:
Let me see if I understand this. It's okay to blame the Net for
Columbine as long as you don't call for licensing. So it's OK
to blame gunshows for gun murders as long as you don't call
for licensing? Right?
I don't like either, but it's a long
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On Wed, Oct 11, 2000 at 08:42:02PM -0700, Tim May wrote:
At 11:20 PM -0400 10/11/00, Declan McCullagh wrote:
http://www.cluebot.com/article.pl?sid=00/10/12/0326212mode=nested
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On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, Declan McCullagh wrote:
At 23:38 10/9/2000 -0700, Bill Stewart wrote:
I seem to remember Etzioni being tied into the Communitarian
movement as well.
Right. In fact, that's an understatement.
He's essentially the anti-cypherpunk: Regulate corporations' data
collection
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[As the DES,] Dataseal/Demon/Lucifer was pretty good. It may not
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Vin McLellan me wrote:
My comment was simply that the Hitachi patent claims set the
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is unfortunate. Personally, I think it is embarrassing that the Hitachi
patents were ever issued.
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I spoke Thurs night at the University of Virginia
(http://www.politechbot.com/p-01393.html). I talked a lot about
cypherpunkly topics (added some stuff that I haven't seen here, and plan to
turn into an article) and even gave the how-to-join address of the cpunx list.
Below is a response from
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Could someone explain or provide a reference for what the rose icon
signifies?
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Tim writes:
[...]
Gilding the lily...or the "Cypherpunks rose," appropriately.
At 1:34 AM + 10/2/00, Anonymous wrote:
Could someone explain or provide a reference for what the rose icon
signifies?
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Gilding the lily...or the "Cypherpunks rose," appropriately.
If you dug this out of the archives, including the extrapolation from
my brief
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Sampo Syreeni writes:
Actually I s ub scribe to neither view. I see rights as something that do
not
naturally exist, but are purely a societal product, subject to change
through redefinition. Whether this happens because the government effects
it
or if the people start to view something as an
On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Sandy Harris wrote about Wassenaar:
My reading of that is that the current 64-bit limit for freely exportable
commercial software dies at the end of this year if any Wassenaar country
acts sensibly and votes to kill it.
Of course, there will be pressure from the US and
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