RE: Clinton & Gore Vow To Fight The Establishment On Crypto (YeahRight)

2000-02-29 Thread Veselin Vavkek
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Re: Clinton & Gore Vow To Fight The Establishment On Crypto(YeahRight)

2000-02-19 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
Nope, I look at what life was like without governments - nasty, brutish and short. We both agree that bad governments can do a lot of evil, even in democratic countries. Richard Nixon being a prime example, committing acts of treason at home and committing war crimes abroad. Governments are goi

Re: Clinton & Gore Vow To Fight The Establishment On Crypto(YeahRight)

2000-02-19 Thread Matthew Gaylor
Phillip Hallam-Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in reference to Lizard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >Your paranoia is getting the better of you. > >Most people who work for governments are ordinary people and not the >facist thugs of your bizare fantasies. First let's clear the air by saying that Philli

Re: Clinton Gore Vow To Fight The Establishment On Crypto(YeahRight)

2000-02-19 Thread BPM Mixmaster Remailer
>Your paranoia is getting the better of you. Your imbecillity is touching. That is the bright side. The dark side is that majority (>50%) of posters on crypto related forums (including usenet) seem to be either thoroughly brainwashed "good americans" or government stooges. I do hope its the lat

Re: Clinton & Gore Vow To Fight The Establishment On Crypto

2000-02-19 Thread David Honig
At 12:19 PM 2/19/00 -0500, Lizard wrote: >Well, that's it in a nutshell. Phil thinks people are basically good, >so as long as government is 'democratic' (and thus reflects the will >of the 'good' majority) it can have untrammeled power. I believe >people are basically scum, and thus can't be

Re: Clinton & Gore Vow To Fight The Establishment On Crypto(YeahRight)

2000-02-19 Thread Lizard
At 7:25 PM -0800 2/18/00, Colin A. Reed wrote: >So Phil and Liz can say the say the same thing (all people are pretty >much the same) and come to opposite conclusions (trust the feds because >you trust your neighbors vs. don't trust your neighbors because you >wouldn't trust the feds). Actually

Re: Clinton & Gore Vow To Fight The Establishment On Crypto (YeahRight)

2000-02-18 Thread Colin A. Reed
So Phil and Liz can say the say the same thing (all people are pretty much the same) and come to opposite conclusions (trust the feds because you trust your neighbors vs. don't trust your neighbors because you wouldn't trust the feds). Actually I shouldn't have said neighbors, because there'

Re: Clinton & Gore Vow To Fight The Establishment On Crypto (YeahRight)

2000-02-18 Thread Lizard
At 1:36 PM -0600 2/18/00, Harold A. Driscoll wrote: >At 20:52 17-02-00 , Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: >>Most people who work for governments are ordinary >>people and not the facist thugs of your bizare fantasies. > >Do ~ordinary people~ take their company helicopter and drop a home-made >bomb on

Re: Clinton & Gore Vow To Fight The Establishment On Crypto (YeahRight)

2000-02-18 Thread Harold A. Driscoll
At 20:52 17-02-00 , Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: >Most people who work for governments are ordinary >people and not the facist thugs of your bizare fantasies. Do ~ordinary people~ take their company helicopter and drop a home-made bomb on a building known to be occupied by ten people, about half

Re: Re: Clinton & Gore Vow To Fight The Establishment On Crypto (YeahRight)

2000-02-18 Thread Sunder
Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: > > > Your faith in government is touching. The fact is, the crypto ban will > only > > be truly repealed when the NSA has quantum chips that can decode almost > > anything in realtime. The government does not care ONE SMEGGING BIT about > > 'terrorists' or 'criminals

Re: Clinton & Gore Vow To Fight The Establishment On Crypto (YeahRight)

2000-02-17 Thread Declan McCullagh
At 21:52 2/17/2000 -0500, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: >Most people who work for governments are ordinary people and not the >facist thugs of your bizare fantasies. True. Although good people can do bad things, especially if few incentives are there to do otherwise. >As I said, the civil rights

Re: Clinton & Gore Vow To Fight The Establishment On Crypto(YeahRight)

2000-02-17 Thread Lizard
At 9:52 PM -0500 2/17/00, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: > > Your faith in government is touching. The fact is, the crypto ban will >only > > be truly repealed when the NSA has quantum chips that can decode almost > > anything in realtime. The government does not care ONE SMEGGING BIT about > >

Re: Clinton & Gore Vow To Fight The Establishment On Crypto (YeahRight)

2000-02-17 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
> Your faith in government is touching. The fact is, the crypto ban will only > be truly repealed when the NSA has quantum chips that can decode almost > anything in realtime. The government does not care ONE SMEGGING BIT about > 'terrorists' or 'criminals' or 'spies'. It cares only, solely, and

RE: Clinton & Gore Vow To Fight The Establishment On Crypto (YeahRight)

2000-02-17 Thread Lizard
> Clinton and Gore are not stupid. They knew that the crypto export ban >would not keep crypto out of the hands of criminals. The eventual repeal >of the ban has been obvious to practically everyone in Washington for >years. > Your faith in government is touching. The fact is, the crypto b

RE: Clinton & Gore Vow To Fight The Establishment On Crypto (YeahRight)

2000-02-17 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
Matthew, You might think that the crypto issue is the most important in government and that the executive branch snaps to attention when the President gives an order. Experience of the Gays in the Millitary issue shows that it just is not so. The bigots won on that issue. The est

Clinton & Gore Vow To Fight The Establishment On Crypto (YeahRight)

2000-02-16 Thread Matthew Gaylor
[Note from Matthew Gaylor: Professor Dave Farber is the new chief technologist at the FCC and was present for Clinton's recent Internet security meeting. Read point number 4 and then read Declan McCullagh's article on Louie Freeh's request for more tax dollars to fight online drug smugglers