Re: tor replacement - was Re: Box for simple Tor node.

2020-06-05 Thread grarpamp
On 5/24/20, Karl wrote: > A general purpose network sounds nice. Everything is doable. > > What do you think of forking the codebase of an existing network, like tor > or gnunet or one of the newer examples from anonymity research? What networks ultimately do, whether they are "for" voice,

Re: tor replacement - was Re: Box for simple Tor node.

2020-05-25 Thread jim bell
Components of software are supposed to be reuseable, which is one of its efficiencies.  Of course, if there is some sort of flaw already present, reusing it adopts the flaw.  Nevertheless, I suspect that it is more valuable to get SOMETHING working, relatively rapidly, especially if the same

Re: tor replacement - was Re: Box for simple Tor node.

2020-05-24 Thread Karl
A general purpose network sounds nice. Everything is doable. What do you think of forking the codebase of an existing network, like tor or gnunet or one of the newer examples from anonymity research? On Thu, May 21, 2020, 1:55 AM jim bell wrote: > On Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 07:27:40 PM PDT,

Re: tor replacement - was Re: Box for simple Tor node.

2020-05-22 Thread grarpamp
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/08/building-a-new-tor-that-withstands-next-generation-state-surveillance/ "Tor hasn't changed, it's the world that's changed." -- Tor Project Five years later, tor still looks same as 20 years prior, while world adversaries advanced 20 years and

Re: tor replacement - was Re: Box for simple Tor node.

2020-05-20 Thread jim bell
On Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 07:27:40 PM PDT, other.arkitech wrote: ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 10:41 PM, jim bell wrote: Algorithm-agnostic anonymization network. Let's say we are agreed that a new anonymization network should be implemented.  One

Re: tor replacement - was Re: Box for simple Tor node.

2020-05-20 Thread other.arkitech
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 10:41 PM, jim bell wrote: > Algorithm-agnostic anonymization network. > > Let's say we are agreed that a new anonymization network should be > implemented. One problem is that advances in such networks generally > require implementing

Re: tor replacement - was Re: Box for simple Tor node.

2020-05-19 Thread jim bell
Algorithm-agnostic anonymization network. Let's say we are agreed that a new anonymization network should be implemented.  One problem is that advances in such networks generally  require implementing entirely new networks to check out new algorithms and new features, such improvements are

Re: tor replacement - was Re: Box for simple Tor node.

2020-05-15 Thread Karl
That sounds cool. Let's design and build it. On Thu, May 14, 2020, 5:02 AM grarpamp wrote: > > well yes you can rate limit any application. If you rate limit the > web > > browser then the typical 5mb pages (95% malware) won't load in > 0.1s, 'like > > they should'. > > Moot since

Re: tor replacement - was Re: Box for simple Tor node.

2020-05-14 Thread Karl
On Thu, May 14, 2020, 5:02 AM grarpamp wrote: > > the basic architecture for an overlay that works as "tor replacement". > > Would rather see a TA resistant general purpose overlay > transport network that can serve many uses. A 'tor replacement' > would be just one module in that. > Do you

Re: tor replacement - was Re: Box for simple Tor node.

2020-05-14 Thread grarpamp
> well yes you can rate limit any application. If you rate limit the web > browser then the typical 5mb pages (95% malware) won't load in 0.1s, > 'like > they should'. Moot since this chaff fill does not rate limit or impede wheat traffic, some overheat but user should see roughly

Re: tor replacement - was Re: Box for simple Tor node.

2020-05-12 Thread grarpamp
>> > web cesspool servers send data in >> > big chunks/high speed bursts, which is not compatible with constant >> > rate links. Go play packet filter rate limits, works fine. >> your ISP rate or physical link speed already >> serves as max rate > people could generally send > dummy traffic to

Re: tor replacement - was Re: Box for simple Tor node.

2020-05-12 Thread grarpamp
> web cesspool servers send data in > big chunks/high speed bursts, which is not compatible with constant rate > links. They are, your ISP rate or physical link speed already serves as max rate, or go test set a lower rate in your packet filter, things work fine, just slower.

Re: tor replacement - was Re: Box for simple Tor node.

2020-05-11 Thread grarpamp
On 5/9/20, jim bell wrote: > At this point, I see the main impediment is finding somebody with the > motivations and qualifications to write the software. An additional > complication is that whoever volunteers, he might not be trusted by While coders can provide design meta, coders can also be

Re: tor replacement - was Re: Box for simple Tor node.

2020-05-09 Thread jim bell
Okay, so what should I actually do?  I didn't suggest this project intending to make the decisions by myself, alone.  I figured I might be one of dozens of deciders who combine ideas to plan this.   At this point, I see the main impediment is finding somebody with the motivations and

Re: tor replacement - was Re: Box for simple Tor node.

2020-05-08 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Fri, May 08, 2020 at 06:17:37PM +, jim bell wrote: > Excellent.  I should mention that I have focussed on Raspberry Pi 4 merely > because it was new, and seemed to be quite capable of serving as a > anonymization node. A warning Jim, you might consider calling any conceivable such

Re: tor replacement - was Re: Box for simple Tor node.

2020-05-08 Thread John Young
So long as it is much more profitable to prevent and damage cybersecurity it is unlikely that any scheme for reliable and trustworthy public cybersecurity will be developed for any longer than it takes to monetize it, following a campaign to generate public trust with freeware and high

Re: tor replacement - was Re: Box for simple Tor node.

2020-05-08 Thread jim bell
It turns out that in two months, I will have the opportunity to announce this project at a convention.  I will be happy to do so if it appears that there will be sufficient progress in the next two months.  A fairly firm commitment by someone to write the software would be an excellent start. 

Re: tor replacement - was Re: Box for simple Tor node.

2019-10-26 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 10:30:36PM -0300, Punk - Stasi 2.0 wrote: > > > here's another article with some interesting info. > > Freedom Systems 2.1 Security Issues and Analysis > https://www.freehaven.net/anonbib/cache/freedom21-security.pdf > > 'freedom' was the name of

Re: tor replacement - was Re: Box for simple Tor node.

2019-10-23 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 05:15:57AM -0400, grarpamp wrote: > >> ok, so that's actually one of, or the most fundamental requirement. > >> The connection between user and 'network' HAS to have a fixed rate. > > Assuming "fixed rate" means "always filled to said rate" not > "fillable up to said

Re: Box for simple Tor node.

2019-10-23 Thread grarpamp
A $ hardware offering / reference setup is nice. And not excluding any possible donation / subsidy models. Though by keeping x86 compatible port, and bootable via USB / cd, many people have old computers can be repurposed to the net at no co$t.

Re: Box for simple Tor node.

2019-10-23 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 01:05:29AM -0400, grarpamp wrote: > > GAA > > GPA > > GT-1 - ?? > > Global Tier-1 Internet and Telecom Backbones > aka: rats, fiber splitting log and data giving, government cocksucking > yes men and apologists > > Except maybe Joseph Nacchio of Qwest, so they jailed him

Re: Box for simple Tor node.

2019-10-22 Thread grarpamp
> GAA > GPA > GT-1 - ?? Global Tier-1 Internet and Telecom Backbones aka: rats, fiber splitting log and data giving, government cocksucking yes men and apologists Except maybe Joseph Nacchio of Qwest, so they jailed him too. > "between two edge hosts (aka src and dst)" is the point why more

Re: Box for simple Tor node.

2019-10-21 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 10:20:35AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 06:06:15PM +, jim bell wrote: > > On Monday, October 21, 2019, 04:00:16 AM PDT, grarpamp > > wrote: > >  To do that, it would be desireable to  make that > > chaff look as much as possible like real

Re: Box for simple Tor node.

2019-10-21 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 06:06:15PM +, jim bell wrote: > On Monday, October 21, 2019, 04:00:16 AM PDT, grarpamp > wrote: > > > On 10/13/19, jim bell wrote: > >> arbitrarily-long hops (256 hops?  65,536 hops? > >> An even larger power-of-2 hops?) > > >Hops, alone, don't add much

Re: Box for simple Tor node.

2019-10-21 Thread jim bell
On Monday, October 21, 2019, 04:00:16 AM PDT, grarpamp wrote: On 10/13/19, jim bell wrote: >> arbitrarily-long hops (256 hops?  65,536 hops? >> An even larger power-of-2 hops?) >Hops, alone, don't add much protection beyond a good routing of 3 to 9 or so. They're more for fucking with

Re: Box for simple Tor node.

2019-10-21 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 06:59:00AM -0400, grarpamp wrote: > On 10/13/19, jim bell wrote: > > arbitrarily-long hops (256 hops? 65,536 hops? > > An even larger power-of-2 hops?) > > Hops, alone, don't add much protection beyond > a good routing of 3 to 9 or so. They're more for fucking > with

Re: Box for simple Tor node.

2019-10-21 Thread grarpamp
On 10/13/19, jim bell wrote: > arbitrarily-long hops (256 hops? 65,536 hops? > An even larger power-of-2 hops?) Hops, alone, don't add much protection beyond a good routing of 3 to 9 or so. They're more for fucking with traditional jurisdictional log reconstruction trails, than dealing with

Re: tor replacement - was Re: Box for simple Tor node.

2019-10-17 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 11:11:41PM +, coderman wrote: > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > On Thursday, October 17, 2019 10:31 PM, Punk wrote: > > ... > > ok, so that's actually one of, or the most fundamental requirement. The > > connection between user and 'network' HAS to have a fixed

Re: Box for simple Tor node.

2019-10-13 Thread John Newman
On October 13, 2019 10:32:16 PM UTC, coderman wrote: >comments below, > >‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ >On Sunday, October 13, 2019 10:15 PM, jim bell >wrote: >... > >> This

Re: Box for simple Tor node.

2019-10-13 Thread Peter Fairbrother
On 11/10/2019 22:05, jim bell wrote: Somebody asked me a question, but because I am far from being an expert, I couldn't answer.   Suppose a person wanted to implement a TOR node, simply by buying some box, and plugging it into his modem, and power. And NOT needing to become an expert on TOR,

Re: Box for simple Tor node.

2019-10-13 Thread jim bell
On Saturday, October 12, 2019, 06:51:52 PM PDT, coderman wrote: ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Saturday, October 12, 2019 8:02 PM, grarpamp wrote: > ... > There were relay boxes on offer in the past, not sure if still today. > There are boxes on offer today providing local proxy into

Re: Box for simple Tor node.

2019-10-12 Thread coderman
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Saturday, October 12, 2019 8:02 PM, grarpamp wrote: > ... > There were relay boxes on offer in the past, not sure if still today. > There are boxes on offer today providing local proxy into tor. most of these were horrible; some were outright broken (e.g.

Re: Box for simple Tor node.

2019-10-12 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 04:02:32PM -0400, grarpamp wrote: > > Suppose a person wanted to implement a TOR node, simply by buying some > > box, and plugging it into his modem, and power. And NOT needing to become > > an expert on TOR, > > There were relay boxes on offer in the past, not sure if

Re: Box for simple Tor node.

2019-10-12 Thread grarpamp
> Suppose a person wanted to implement a TOR node, simply by buying some > box, and plugging it into his modem, and power. And NOT needing to become > an expert on TOR, There were relay boxes on offer in the past, not sure if still today. There are boxes on offer today providing local proxy into

Re: Box for simple Tor node.

2019-10-11 Thread John Newman
On October 12, 2019 2:11:59 AM UTC, John Newman wrote: > > >On October 11, 2019 9:53:10 PM UTC, jim bell >wrote: >>On Friday, October 11, 2019, 02:26:27 PM PDT, John Newman >> wrote: >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 09:05:00PM +, jim bell wrote: >>> Somebody asked me a question, but

Re: Box for simple Tor node.

2019-10-11 Thread John Newman
On October 11, 2019 9:53:10 PM UTC, jim bell wrote: >On Friday, October 11, 2019, 02:26:27 PM PDT, John Newman > wrote: > > > On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 09:05:00PM +, jim bell wrote: >> Somebody asked me a question, but because I am far from being an >expert, I couldn't answer.   Suppose a

Re: Box for simple Tor node.

2019-10-11 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 09:53:10PM +, jim bell wrote: > On Friday, October 11, 2019, 02:26:27 PM PDT, John Newman > wrote: > > > On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 09:05:00PM +, jim bell wrote: > > Somebody asked me a question, but because I am far from being an expert, I > > couldn't

Re: Box for simple Tor node.

2019-10-11 Thread jim bell
On Friday, October 11, 2019, 02:26:27 PM PDT, John Newman wrote: On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 09:05:00PM +, jim bell wrote: > Somebody asked me a question, but because I am far from being an expert, I > couldn't answer.   Suppose a person wanted to implement a TOR node, simply by > buying

Re: Box for simple Tor node.

2019-10-11 Thread John Newman
On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 09:05:00PM +, jim bell wrote: > Somebody asked me a question, but because I am far from being an expert, I > couldn't answer.   Suppose a person wanted to implement a TOR node, simply by > buying some box, and plugging it into his modem, and power.  And NOT needing >

Re: Box for simple Tor node.

2019-10-11 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 09:05:00PM +, jim bell wrote: > Somebody asked me a question, but because I am far from being an expert, I > couldn't answer.   Suppose a person wanted to implement a TOR node, simply by > buying some box, and plugging it into his modem, and power.  And NOT needing >

Box for simple Tor node.

2019-10-11 Thread jim bell
Somebody asked me a question, but because I am far from being an expert, I couldn't answer.   Suppose a person wanted to implement a TOR node, simply by buying some box, and plugging it into his modem, and power.  And NOT needing to become an expert on TOR, or even on computers in general.  And